| WarpSpeed |
What is the matter with people. Do they really think that duct tape and plastic will keep out anything. How long can you stay in a room that is completely sealed before the O2 runs out. You have to open the door sometime.
I read where people in parts of the country where nothing ever happens are buying duct tape. I don't believe people in Montana are targets.(No Disrespect)
People need to continue living there lives and not pay attention to the media. What comes, comes. It's good to be prepared for emergencies, but not when it effects your life. |
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| laborlitigator |
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| y2ks2k |
When the terrorist attack happen, a town on the coast here in Oregon formed an anti-terrorist militia. The towns name is Astoria (in movies like number 5 is alive" and "goonies"). It has a population of like $10,000 people. Its largely a fishing village.
People are SO uncanny..
This whole situation that has been drug on since the attacks are the apitamy of government propaganda and I am utterly shocked that so many people fall for it. I think the only people who really need to worry about this stuff are in New York.
The propaganda spewing from our government to justify the war in Iraq is utterly shocking and its shocking that so many people (I would say uneducated people) fall for it. It completely surrounds us in every way… Notice the huge presence of our military on different highly published events like the super bowl? As an almost history minor at PSU... You learn a bit of tactics governments use to rile their people into supporting an unpopular cause.. religion, fear, etc...
After Vietnam, you would think our government would understand this, but our war monger president is bent set in attacking IRAQ with NO support when N Korea is the real threat in our times. Movement on N. Korea would certainly have the full support of the world behind its terror. But ya know what.. there’s no oil or Moslems or other more important interests there.
I will say that if our country had the full support of our allies (not including the bought out countries of Russia and France)… then I would fully support it. |
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| WarpSpeed |
France and Germany will come around because they don't want to be left behind. They will want a piece of the oil fields.
I think these terror alerts are fanned by the gov. to scare the people to support Bush with whatever he wants.
Why do they seem to declassifie info. just in time to scare people even more.They say North Korea has missiles that can reach the west coast. Did they need to make that public right now. Don't we have enough to worry about this week. |
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| laborlitigator |
| It's all hype. . . just like "GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE!" 75 to 90% off! |
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| y2ks2k |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
It's all hype. . . just like "GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE!" 75 to 90% off!
Good anology! |
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by y2ks2k
The propaganda spewing from our government to justify the war in Iraq is utterly shocking and its shocking that so many people (I would say uneducated people) fall for it. It completely surrounds us in every way… Notice the huge presence of our military on different highly published events like the super bowl? As an almost history minor at PSU... You learn a bit of tactics governments use to rile their people into supporting an unpopular cause.. religion, fear, etc...
After Vietnam, you would think our government would understand this, but our war monger president is bent set in attacking IRAQ with NO support when N Korea is the real threat in our times. Movement on N. Korea would certainly have the full support of the world behind its terror. But ya know what.. there’s no oil or Moslems or other more important interests there.
I will say that if our country had the full support of our allies (not including the bought out countries of Russia and France)… then I would fully support it.
Hmmmm ... sounds Canadian, but it 's not ... |
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| y2ks2k |
quote:
Originally posted by WarpSpeed
France and Germany will come around because they don't want to be left behind. They will want a piece of the oil fields.
I think these terror alerts are fanned by the gov. to scare the people to support Bush with whatever he wants.
Why do they seem to declassifie info. just in time to scare people even more.They say North Korea has missiles that can reach the west coast. Did they need to make that public right now. Don't we have enough to worry about this week.
ya, I find that odd also. I would think that this would take away attention from Iraq. Maybe there is a conflict going on internaly between gov factions about Iraq vs. Korea? |
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| WarpSpeed |
Just a thought,
Washington may have declassified the info on the missiles to get hollywood behind Bush. Until now hollywood has been against him. If they thought they could get blown up, that my change there minds. There is nothing like a missile in your martini to wake you up.
Will mr penn go to north Korea. How about hanoi jane. |
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| y2ks2k |
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Originally posted by Pierre
Hmmmm ... sounds Canadian, but it 's not ...
I¡¦m glad Canada is holding out! Good! Seems like there is great intelligence up there! Don¡¦t cave in! Wait until there is unilateral world wide support!
Thank god for news agencies like CNN.
I find it funny that the leader of Germany was quoted as saying that George W. Bush was another Hitler... this from the country that spawned Hitler. This tells you how most other countries really feel about the USA leadership right now. If you watch our news media on stations like NBC, ABC, CBS.. you would think the worlds with us (I often wonder how much they are paid to be like this). If you watch non-partisan news.. you know that the world is really almost completely against this.
We need unilateral support!
Just think¡K I¡¦m a normal Joe in the USA¡K A little on the liberal side¡K but not to much, fiscally conservative. I think this issue is taking hold in lot of normal college educated Joes like me in the USA. I¡¦m not an activist, never have been, I just don¡¦t like it when things that are very wrong are done. Heck, this could turn me into an activist if I could get a day off work ƒº
And I supported the last war, we had unilateral support, Saddam Huseain invaded another country, gas¡¦d his own people, etc¡K logical.. real evidence¡K (along with the other various agendas)¡K
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| laborlitigator |
| Pierre, they're even Canadian! |
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| acura_ed |
Hey WarpSpeed. I'll tell you something else. Driving is hell with that plastic and duct tape all over the windows. I can't see. Good thing I sealed myself in a '03 with Nav. The camera works great, even at high speeds. Turning left or right took some practice though. Haven't had to open the doors yet, but will have to soon. No, not because I am running out of air.
Hey guys and gals, don't forget Valentines Day. If you do, you may find yourself in the same place I am.;) |
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| A2MDXer |
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Originally posted by y2ks2k
I think the only people who really need to worry about this stuff are in New York.
Well, I might add a couple of others like DC, LA, Miami, etc. but point taken. |
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| Pierre |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Pierre, they're even Canadian!
This can only mean a few things:
1) They're good.
2) We sell 'em 'cause we don't need 'em.
3) You're running out of duct tape and plastic. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by Pierre
This can only mean a few things:
1) They're good.
2) We sell 'em 'cause we don't need 'em.
3) You're running out of duct tape and plastic.
1) They're good- Can't argue with that because my X is Canadian.
2) We sell 'em 'cause we don't need 'em. - Like who'd ever attack Canada.
3) You're running out of duct tape and plastic. - It's ok, we'll just invade Mexico or wherever they make the stuff. . . :D |
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| WarpSpeed |
| Acura ed, thanks for the laugh. |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by y2ks2k
... I think the only people who really need to worry about this stuff are in New York....
Given that these one of the terrorist organizations objectives is to criple the US economy, It would make sense to consider a state that ranks as the # 4 country worldwide in economic power, a prime target. Make no mistake, the New York statement has been made. I feel the West coast is next. Even Korea's missles are trained on California.
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| Fredo |
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Originally posted by mdxxxx
I feel the West coast is next. Even Korea's missles are trained on California.
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I don't disagree with the West Coast part: after all, they were planning on blowing up LAX for the Y2K celebration (crossing over from Canada :D got caught by a mountie, hey ?)
But as far as Korea missile capacity, it's incredible how the much governement and media try to railroad people: two weeks ago, Korea could already reach the West Coast BUT IT MEANT THE WESTERN PART OF ALASKA.
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| tommyleon |
I was going to boycott anything made in France and then today I get the latest issue of "The Wine Spectator"and the front cover reads"2000 Bordeaux:The best Vintage Since 1961 Is Arriving"Oh what the hell if I'm going to have to duck tape myself into a closet before I die of affixiation,I might as well go out with a couple of bottles of 2000 Chateau Latour@$475.00 a bottle rated a perfect 100 points.
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| MK23666 |
| Doesn't the MDX have a Hepa filter already? I think the Govt. should buy us all MDX's to protect us. |
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| hockeyplayer |
| All of a sudden the "Red Green Show" is making entirely too much sense to me.:8: :8: |
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| harmonr1 |
| As a California resident I can say this - A limited strike in LA might not be a bad idea.:jester: |
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| zafer |
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Originally posted by tommyleon
I was going to boycott anything made in France and then today I get the latest issue of "The Wine Spectator"and the front cover reads"2000 Bordeaux:The best Vintage Since 1961 Is Arriving"Oh what the hell if I'm going to have to duck tape myself into a closet before I die of affixiation,I might as well go out with a couple of bottles of 2000 Chateau Latour@$475.00 a bottle rated a perfect 100 points.
Tom:7: :7:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...any_1&printer=1 |
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| DaleB |
| Oh great! It will drive up the price of US wine. Not a good sign...maybe the aussies can crank out more..... |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by MK23666
Doesn't the MDX have a Hepa filter already? I think the Govt. should buy us all MDX's to protect us.
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| frostyra |
y2ks2k, just remember that several members of this forum are hawks; you might not want to see us if we're ticked off!
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| ndahbar |
OH. MY. GOD. Ok I just talked to a good friend of mine who was at the anti-war demonstrations in NYC today. He told me that at one point he was running in the street, along with his group, when this banker-looking fellow (he told me he was dressed in a suit, was at least 40 years old etc.) got out of his car and said to my friend (who was obviously PROTESTING the war) "What, so that they can BOMB us again?"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! I laughed my damn a$$ off. I can't believe it. How can someone be so damn ignorant, lazy, and just plain brain-washed? Living in a 1st world country, especially nowadays in the Information World, you have *NO EXCUSE* to be like this. Let alone a banker fellow, old enough to almost have grand kids!
BOMB US AGAIN?! Are u f**king kidding me? They are protesting the war on Iraq, not "terrrorism" (although even that is rediculous, don't get me started). People actually are being brainwashed that Iraq poses a threat.
JESUS CHRIST. That just made my day when my buddy told me what this guy said. I sure as hell hope that person wasn't any of you, or a relative, or FRIEND, of yours! I swear to you, if that was say, my boss, I would quit my job the next day. If it was my son I would DIS-OWN him. If it was my father, I would count myself from there on in as father-less. It is just THAT preposterous of a thing to say.
Moron? Idiot? Ignoramus? Those are compliments to this "gentleman". It's times like this when I almost want to shed a tear, thinking about all the extremely poor people all over the world that don't have an opportunity to have a decent life, for they CERTAINLY deserve it more than this banker-looking fellow. Good thing I wasn't there. I probably woulda been arrested. |
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| tommyleon |
So Ndahbar:I think we need to get you in touch with a different dealer.Whatever your taking is not giving you the proper perspective!
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| ndahbar |
| What I'm taking is REALITY PILLS. Heavy doses. Friggin rediculous the ignorance of people out there. So called educations. Ha! I am so disappointed with most people I meet in terms of general world awareness they possess. Jeez. Read a little. |
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| DaleB |
The latest news is that the present administration is concerned that the populus might panic over the the Orange warning level.
Except for a large increase in plastic sheeting and duct tape sales, I don't see any concern.
Many are quite comfortable to be in large groups to protest, so they certainly have no fear of a terrorist attack.
San Francisco came to an awareness of how 'small' their city really is, size- wise, when they realized they can not have a protest and the closing celebration of the Chinese New Year on the same day. Both were re-scheduled appropriately.
Our government along with Homeland Security is re-evaluating the present alert system. Maybe they will come up with some new colors. They ought to have a downable alert system that we can put in the corner of our PC screens. Now wouldn't that be something special? Maybe Mr. Gates can integrate that into Windows. Hey, anything to stimulate this economy! |
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| laborlitigator |
Stimulate the economy. . . how about public beheading of the greedy corporate mother fu**ers that caused this melt down. . .
Let's start with all those Enron a-holes, then some of those scumbags from Goldman Sachs. . .
You could actually sell it on pay-per-view. . . I'd sure buy in! |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Stimulate the economy. . . how about public beheading of the greedy corporate mother fu**ers that caused this melt down. . .
Let's start with all those Enron a-holes, then some of those scumbags from Goldman Sachs. . .
You could actually sell it on pay-per-view. . . I'd sure buy in!
Beheading the guilty provides some temporary satisfaction, but with no legislation to protect us from the En-roners (end-runners?) of the future, it will be short-lived. |
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| laborlitigator |
DaleB,
Come on now, where would the legislators get their soft money from then, right?
And I hope they Martha Stewart also. I wonder if they'll allow her to decorate her jail cell with her Target line of linens. |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
DaleB,
Come on now, where would the legislators get their soft money from then, right? ...
laborlitigator, good point. I'ts systemic... built in to our wonderful capitalist system... |
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| tommyleon |
This is an excellent article on the subject that so many of us are dancing around within this forum!It was written on Feb 14th by Charles Krauthammer(A pulitzer Prize winning syndicated columnist).I have saved it to a file but don't think I can attach it to this Thread??If anyones interested I could E-Mail it.This is one of the best articles that I've seen on Terrorism and what we're in for if they are allowed to continue without intervention!"We now recognize the central problem of the 21st century":The conjunction of terrorism,rogue states and weopons of mass distruction.
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| y2ks2k |
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Originally posted by rjmitche
Is this the article?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...-2003Feb13.html
Ug.. That sounds like it was write by Rush Lemba himself. Completely one sided, biased and even wrong in some parts. Each one of those could be looked at in a different way and the finger be pointed at any other number of causes. |
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| ndahbar |
| OK. PLEASE PLEASE tell me u guys aren't SERIOUS about being worried that N.Korean missles are aimed at California. Jeez. Please don't fall victim to the "you're just a sheep...my propaganda will eat you and your family alive" dribble. It's never been this strong since WWII (the propaganda in the news/world these days).:3: :3: :3: |
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| mdxxxx |
quote:
Originally posted by ndahbar
OK. PLEASE PLEASE tell me u guys aren't SERIOUS about being worried that N.Korean missles are aimed at California. Jeez. Please don't fall victim to the "you're just a sheep...my propaganda will eat you and your family alive" dribble. It's never been this strong since WWII (the propaganda in the news/world these days).:3: :3: :3:
I'm sure many laughed at the prospect of the WT towers being attacked one day.... the rest is history... |
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| y2ks2k |
quote:
Originally posted by ndahbar
OK. PLEASE PLEASE tell me u guys aren't SERIOUS about being worried that N.Korean missles are aimed at California. Jeez. Please don't fall victim to the "you're just a sheep...my propaganda will eat you and your family alive" dribble. It's never been this strong since WWII (the propaganda in the news/world these days).:3: :3: :3:
I wonder if they will bring back rosy the riviter again.. wait they cant.. women are working now :) |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by y2ks2k
Ug.. That sounds like it was write by Rush Lemba himself. Completely one sided, biased and even wrong in some parts. Each one of those could be looked at in a different way and the finger be pointed at any other number of causes.
But it's so easy to recognize the problem after something happens. Like Monday morning quarter-backing. And of course the first order of business is to apply blame. |
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| tommyleon |
Thats the article!I must be naive cause I thought it was excellent.I didn't see the slant(The post is typically slanted to the LEFT ) but rather a realistic look at the main problem and that is Evil people getting ahold of WOMD and bringing them into this country and pulling off another 9/11 but this time killing millions.
From the article!"What is the probability of a civilization will not destroy itself once its very intelligence grants it the means of self-destruction? North Korea:they are desperate and are sabre rattling.I loved the areial view at night of both Koreas Only the south had lights while this "pervert" up north layed up in bed eating bon bons and waching western movies.
Some people just want to avoid confrontation and think by ignoring the problem, they hope that guys like Sadam will just go away and pose no further problems.Some wanted to ignore Hitler,others still today claim that whole thing was fabricated. |
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| mdxxxx |
quote:
Originally posted by tommyleon
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Some people just want to avoid confrontation and think by ignoring the problem, they hope that guys like Sadam will just go away and pose no further problems.Some wanted to ignore Hitler,others still today claim that whole thing was fabricated.
Your preaching to the choir here... It's a known psychological phenomena to avoid "uncomfortable" issues, and "stick ones head in the sand" because we don't want it to happen, or it shouldn't happen. The sad thing is, denial doesn't change a thing. |
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| ndahbar |
| You guys, what u say is mostly true, and honorable as well, but come on here! You really think the perpetrators of 9/11 woulda done it if they knew they would be caught? Or at least caught easily? When a COUNTRY attacks another (in the rediculously flawed and unrealistic scenario of North Korean missles slamming CALI) it's a WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME. I am sure I don't need to elaborate why. |
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| mdxxxx |
quote:
Originally posted by ndahbar
You guys, what u say is mostly true, and honorable as well, but come on here! You really think the perpetrators of 9/11 woulda done it if they knew they would be caught? Or at least caught easily? When a COUNTRY attacks another (in the rediculously flawed and unrealistic scenario of North Korean missles slamming CALI) it's a WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME. I am sure I don't need to elaborate why.
All I know is the "Ballgame" has changed. Years ago, countries or enemies dare not even posture significantly towards the US. These days, there is no fear, no respect, no nothing. It is a totally different mindset. You can reason with an enemy who values life, and has something to lose, however, all rational thought goes out the window, when your faced with an advasary who has nothing to lose and would welcome mutual annihilation.
All I know is what I teach my kids. If I fool you once, shame on me, If I fool you twice, shame on you. In order to learn a lesson, one session should be all you need! |
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| tommyleon |
Well Said:You nailed it.At first I didn't think this was a holy war.I now believe it is!I think you got 20% of these Muslims that have been so brain washed that they think that by doing this stuff that they and their families will be rewarded.They get the 72 virgins and the family gets cash from Sadam.I'm sure the other 80% are great people with no agenda other than to have as good a life as they can.If we can't wipe these Terrorist out then we will be living a hell that this world has never seen."Poverty does not breed terrorism,terrorism breeds poverty!"
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| Fredo |
Did it really change ?
You say that "years ago, country didn't even dare posturing against the US", but just exactly how many years was that ?
- 10 Years ago, bombing of the WTC was already attempted !
- 15 years ago, a terrorist country (Libya) was blowing up a Pan Am plane, killing over 250 people.
- 62 years ago, a war seeking country killed over 2500 people on US soil at Pearl Harbor !
And then sometimes, it happens inside: never forget the 169 people killed in the Oklahoma City Bombing, at the time the worst terrorist attack on US soil... perpetrated by US citizens as it looks... a different story I guess...
This is a sad state of affair but when things get imbalanced, history has proved time and again that knee jerk reactions do NOT get the right results. I doubt that anyone would try and defend Saddam Hussein himself, but I also doubt that the US would want to wage that war if it wasn't for the formidable oil reserves of this region. And when I hear conservative pentagon estimates of between 40 and 200000 civilian casualties in the Iraqi population, I can't help but think of another conflict started for what seemed at the time the most noble intentions: Vietnam.
So Acura (because after all, THIS IS an MDX board so let's blame them :D ), hurry up and get that 400 HP, 90 MPG engine out so that the entire risk coming from those country is reduced to the sand camels walk on... |
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| tommyleon |
Hi Fredo no disrespect ok!If you really think its about the oil,then I doubt were going to change your mind.
In your post you mentioned all the terrorist activities for the past 15 years.Your correct but you also made the point!! By doing nothing things just got worse!!Ol Kadafi got religion after we killed some of his family,no thanks to the French.
I think we have made some stupid political mistakes but all in all who have we ever taken over and occupied for any period.When some country has a catostrophic ill,who bails em out.Hell Europe chooses to ignore problems in their own back yard.
Vietnam was dumb in that we sent troups over there and we should have just eliminated Hanoi the right way..
I know this is a pretty simplistic view but I think you get my point!! |
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| zubinh |
MDX filtration system should be enough to keep out the deadly gases.
Its my own gaseous activities that worries me. |
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| y2ks2k |
quote:
Originally posted by mdxxxx
Your preaching to the choir here... It's a known psychological phenomena to avoid "uncomfortable" issues, and "stick ones head in the sand" because we don't want it to happen, or it shouldn't happen. The sad thing is, denial doesn't change a thing.
I’m confused, now people at putting what happened in on 911 together with attacking IRAQ. How do there things go together? I have heard some gov propaganda trying to tie the 2 together but most educated people laugh at that... just another way for our gov to justify what they have planned for IRAQ to the American people.
I completely disagree with this. I think intelligent people feel that acting like cowboys, going gun shot happy into situations like this is very poorly planned (and alteriour motives), especially against the rest of the world.
The question to ask yourself is this.. what does it hurt delaying a confrontation for 6 months to allow the world governing body to investigate the situation? Do you honestly think Sadam Hussein would launch a dirty bomb on the US? If he did.. Wouldn’t evey single nation in the world happily wipe him off the face of the earth at that point pretty much like they agreed to after he invaded Kawait? |
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| TopDog |
With Duct tape and power tools, a guy can fix ANYTHING!!!! :2: :2:
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Originally posted by WarpSpeed
What is the matter with people. Do they really think that duct tape and plastic will keep out anything. How long can you stay in a room that is completely sealed before the O2 runs out. You have to open the door sometime.
I read where people in parts of the country where nothing ever happens are buying duct tape. I don't believe people in Montana are targets.(No Disrespect)
People need to continue living there lives and not pay attention to the media. What comes, comes. It's good to be prepared for emergencies, but not when it effects your life.
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| y2ks2k |
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Originally posted by TopDog
With Duct tape and power tools, a guy can fix ANYTHING!!!! :2: :2:
Im watching the news and its showing people in the middle of I think Kansis who are plastic and duct taping the entire out sides of their houses! Anyone know if I can get different colored duct tape so its matches my trim? |
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| ndahbar |
Jesus. Y2ks2k, I thank you for your post about "How the f**k are people putting 9/11 and Iraq in the same sentence". Wake up people, 1+1 = 2, not 3. Do you REALLY think that all this OH SO INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE tying Saddam to Bin Landen fell into Powell's lap in the last, oh, let's say, coupla months?! HA! If it WAS true, I think they woulda known about it eons ago. Hmm...and they did or mentioned absolutely nothing about it until...hmm...until they mobilized 150K troops to the region? Hmm...
IT IS ABOUT OIL. DONT KID YOURSELF. Great nations don't friggin risk so much just for doing the right thing, and especially doing it purely for others, which has GOTTA be the case here if it is so, since you know VERY WELL that Saddam poses no larger a threat to the US than ANY other dictatorship. I don't give a damn if it's in the Arab World, South America, or Asia.
Ok Ok. Let's close this thread. Let's go back to talking car stuff. When the dust settles, I'll come back here and let you know how much a "I TOLD YOU SO!" hurts an ego if you REALLY believe they are doing this for the pure good for the region. Hey listen, I'm not bustin anyone's balls here. I'm not even sayin I don't want that prick outta there. I'm all for progress, economic progress, nothing else matters. Without that, there is just doom. If it helps, great. But I tell u this: I sure hope not, but I'm afraid the likelihood is certainly higher than 50%: This is gonna end up as a MASSIVE political disaster. Death, pillaging and destruction? Nah, don't worry, the troops will come home safe. Well, maybe it will happen to the poor 'ol Palestinians (hmm, people kinda sometimes forget how many UN resolutions Israel told the UN to "shove") but anyway.
BACK CAR STUFF! We'll see the truth in about a year. I hope u are all here by then. |
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| mdxxxx |
quote:
Originally posted by y2ks2k
I’m confused, now people at putting what happened in on 911 together with attacking IRAQ. How do there things go together?...
y2ks2k,
The only common denominator I mentioned was the lack of fear, and/or respect that rouge nations, and/or terrorists have toward the US. Whether it's Al Queda, Iraq, Korea, or Timbuktu, I don't care what the geographical, religious, philosophical, or ideological issues they have, these a**holes will not hesitate to inflict serious harm on US citizens. That is the problem, its very simple. The more the world witnesses country after country walking up to the US and kicking its shins, the more confident others will become, and they will wait in line to do likewise and worse. |
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| tommyleon |
We've beat this poor horse to death.I'll be here in a couple of months(shouldn't take a year,except to maybe put out the fires.)
We'll rehash it then.Wonder whats in those three ships off the coast of Iraq?Probably just some medical supplies. |
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| mdxxxx |
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...Wonder whats in those three ships off the coast of Iraq?Probably just some medical supplies.
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