| Fabvsix |
| I stopped by my local Honda dealership to pick up some oil filters. One for my 2001 Acura CL Type S and the 03 MDX. Much to my surprise, they are the same for all now !!!!! They are also smaller, as the guy mentioned. What he didn't mention after I bought them, is they are now made by FRAM ! Anyone know how crappy fram filters are ??????????????????????????? Back to Mobil one ! :3: :3: |
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| RonH |
My experience with Fram was that for some reason, they'd make the oil pump in my old GTA knock like the devil. Don't know why really, but if I used any other brand, it was a quiet as could be.
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| manus1980 |
| I just bougt a Mobil 1 oil filter, m1-104 and will install it tomorrow. |
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| Fabvsix |
| Can someone confirm that the M1-104 mobil oil filter will work on a 2003 MDX ? |
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| Fabvsix |
| HEllo bump anyone out there know the answer ????:( |
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| RealWing |
| The M1-104 will work. The M1-105 is an oversize filter and will also work |
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| xcel |
Hi All:
___Might I instead suggest anyone considering a Mobil1 filter also consider and research the Walmart Supertech for your own MDX? Champion labs make the Mobil1, Bosch, and SuperTech filters. The Mobil1 filter has an all synthetic media that can remove particles down to 5 micron’s. It also has a slightly thicker housing. The one problem reported with this filter is the media’s inherently high DP causing less oil flow and more wear according to some of the discussions that I have read. The Bosch and SuperTech’s use a modified synthetic media w/ lower DP but allow larger particulate to pass. That being said, all 3 are leagues better than most available from whatever source you were to choose. In the case of the SuperTech’s, < $2.00 per filter makes it an absolute steal. The 01/02 filters are sized slightly different than the 03’s so make sure you look your particular years filter up in the Walmart computer before purchase. As for our 03, the ST7317 is the proper and only choice now that I know more of the details about its construction and capabilities. I can’t tell you about the 04’s just yet but the next time I am in the local Walmart, I will take a look see for all.
___On a similar note, apparently, there has been a price increase in cost for Mobil1 Synthetic at my local Walmart. A 5 Qt. container of 10W-30/5W-30/0W-20 used to cost just $18.88. The last time I checked, it was ~ $22.00. At $22.00, it is still a bargain but is slightly more expensive then just a few months ago unfortunately. For those in the far Northern reaches of the Continental US as well as anyone in the Canadian Provinces with extreme cold weather more then just a possibility, Mobil1 could almost be considered a necessity for that type climate vs. Dino oil of any brand or weight due to its superior low temp pour points. In other words, it will still flow when Dino oil has all but turned to a form of a thick gooey gelatin and I am being quite kind with my adjectives ;)
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| evoge |
| Good info, Excel. I'll use the Supertech next time with my Mobil1 jugs from Walmart--just wish I had stocked up on a few more jugs 3 months ago before the price increase. Increases are unusual for Walmart! |
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| RealWing |
| Pay close attention to this last post from NTPOG and especially the spreadsheet with all the details. The Walmart filters appear to be an offshore unit of very poor quality. I havenot personally cut any open, but they dont sound very good. |
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| xcel |
Hi RealWing and Lrpba300:
___I am not so sure the report from ntpog.org is anywhere near accurate. One of the sites I visit on occasion (Bobistheoilguy.com) has so many more interesting analysis that many here should read and in particular, the SuperTech is recommended Champion product and one made in the US according to a letter written to an Oil analysis enthusiast by Champion Labs.
___Let me point out 2 threads to all so they can make up there own minds and I will add commentary from them for those that don’t want to read it in its entirety ...
Champion labs responded to my email:quote:
I recently ran across a few negative comments about supertech filters after switching to that brand via advise from people on this board. I was confussed to read that a gentleman did a study on this board [many disageed with him though] and said to stay away from supertech, stp and bosch filters. As you can imagine i was a bit thrown by the comments as I was told as I stated earlier about the supertech being a solid filter that was both economical and surpassed many other more expensive filters in filtration and oil flow. I possed this question to Champion labs via there web site and the following is there response:
QUESTION:
I would like to ask if you manufacture supertech filters? I just switched
to them and then i read an article that says they are one of the worst filters
available. I am not sure that is true as I Haven’t had any problems so far
[2000 miles so far] An article i saw on a website
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml
they say that the media is very poor and that the bypass doesn’t work like
it should. I only ask because i have a hard time believing that every
filter has a failed bypass [supertech ]
I have a buick skylark [94] with a 3.1 v6 in it and it is very important to
me as it is my work car and i depend on it greatly. the other article said
that your claims on filtration 98 % is false as is the particle size it is
picking up. They state 20 microns [size] is allowed to pass but most
harmful particles are 15 microns to 10 microns in size [this is what i believe was to be harmful although i may be mistaken].
All i am asking is this. Is there a problem with the supertech for my model
? and can you send me some data so i can pass on to my friends who suggested me to switch to this product.
Thank you,
Lee
Submit=Submit
Hotline=hotline@champlabs.com
ANSWER:
Champion Laboratories, Inc. does manufacture the Super Tech oil filter line
sold through Wal-Mart. Champion Laboratories is located in Albion, IL. with
manufacturing plants located in Albion and West Salem, IL., York, SC., and
Saltillo, Mexico.
Champion Laboratories, Inc. is a supplier of original equipment filters to
many of the original equipment vehicle manufacturers, which includes Ford,
GM, Porsche, and Volkswagen. Champion also manufactures number of O.E.
replacement brands and premium types of filters.
The Super Tech oil filter line is a premium line of filters. The filtration
media (paper) used in the Super Tech oil filters is rated at a 20 micron
particle size. Champion utilizes metal end caps on top and bottom of the
filter element. The element is glued completely to the end caps and the end
pleats are glued completely from top to bottom. This procedure does not
allow any openings in the element that will allow unfiltered oil to pass.
The Super Tech oil filters are manufactured following strict quality
guidelines to ensure that only the highest quality filters be sent to our
customers.
If you have any questions or require additional information, please feel
free to contact our Filter Hotline.
Thank you.
Dale Hayes
Technical Assistance
Representative
Champion Laboratories, Inc.
___And in the same thread, this post made a point about Mobil1 filters ...quote:
sbc350,
I wanted to comment on your post, but before I do that, I wanted to say that I am NOT arguing your post or saying otherwise....I just want to bring a couple of points to light for discussion.
ok, the ST is $1.99 and the Mobil 1 is $10.99. Now, what makes the Mobil filter better?
-It filters smaller particles! Yes it does, but some of us here believe that this might not necessarily be a good thing. Such filtration might actually reduce oil flow at WOT, which in turn "might" be worse than having a filter rated at 50 microns
-The Mobil filter has a thicker shell for added burst strength. This is something that may not be needed for the average Joe....if needed at all by anyone. Your average filter has a burst strength of more than 400 psi....but believe me, you will never burst a filter....you'll burst all your seals way before that happens. So what's the benefit of having a tougher shell? Maybe, just "maybe" for vehicles with an exposed filter, this might give you some puncture insurance....but you might rip off the entire filter before you puncture it.
-More pleats? Who cares?! If an oil filter removes 98% of particles that are 20 microns or bigger, I could care less if it has one pleat.
___In this next thread, commentary was added to debunk some of the analysis again ...quote:
His comments about Bosch, STP, and Supertech filters are misleading.
He apparently doesn't understand how their bypass valves operate, and claims they won't even work. If he had proven they didn't work, his criticism would have been justified. Instead, he allowed his lack of understanding degrade the accuracy of his work.
I'm not sure about the filters he looked at, but the last Bosch, STP, and Supertech filters I bought (spring '03) were made in the USA.
He also makes the common mistake of believing you can tell how good an oil filter flows and filters by counting pleats, calculating surface area, and looking closely at the media.
He does do a nice job of documenting his measurements and comments in the downloadable three sheet Excel file at the site. I had to increase the size of some of the cells to see all of his comments.
___Another poster in the same thread added the following:quote:
They are made by Champion labs, he was interesting till this part, then I feel he blew it.
___and another:quote:
"What Not To Use: Bosch, STP, and Wal-Mart Supertech" Gee if the nonfunctional bypass is such a problem, you think some of us here would have lunched an engine on cold start up. I have not seen any such reports here, and none of the filters I have cut apart showed any damage.
___and another ...quote:
Exactly. I looked at a bunch them yesterday. All the STP's were printed "Product of USA" right on the can and appear to be from Champion Labs...
___and another ...quote:
It appears this guy has a grudge against Champion.
1. Anybody literate should be able to read "Made in USA."
2. The analysis of the bypass valve is laughable. The entire filter assembly move? C'mon, does anybody believe Champion would implement this across their lineup without ANY testing? The pressure pushes the button and flexes the valve open. It's one thing to claim that it isn't as good as the traditional method. It's another to claim it doesn't work at all based on poor logic and NO experimentation.
I think the whole thing is fishy.
___And finally ...quote:
At the bottom of the page it says:
This page last updated 9/1/01
___As an all encompassing flow/DP test, please take a look at this rig and testing of many of the brands of filters available from the same site as shown here: Oil Filters. There is some interesting commentary about a SuperTech being opened up with accolades on page 2 or 3. The rest of the thread entails the rigs construction, destruction, and reconstruction so its not worth sifting through ...
___And here is a Supertech cut open with commentary about its Champion Labs - STP and Bosch lineage linked here.
___Finally, I remember a site that had cut open the various oil filters for inspection w/ pics although I never added it to my favorites nor have I located it through a Google search yet. When or if I do, I will post a link ... RealWing, since you are a Bobistheoilguy enthusiast as well, was it yours?
___After further review and as an edit, RealWing has posted a ton of pic’s over in the BITOG forum. Have a look here and here.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| Lrpba300 |
Thanks Wayne. I however was just posting what I read while looking around on the subject. I, like you, use to have lots of info about oils & filters from the Acura-Tl days. Road Rage was an AUTHORITY on the subject, posters went 'round & 'round & 'round about these subjects. (filters & oils) Don't have any of that stuff anymore!
I've used Fram filters (of all kinds) for years & years. Raced cars, built engines, worked w/ a race shop. All used Fram & others. Maybe they aren't as good as they use to be?? Do I say they're the best? NO. I say they've worked fine for me. I tried a K & N oil filter one time on my '02 MDX. At 5,000 mil. oil change, the oil was MUCH DIRTIER than ANY oil change w/ Fram X2's. Does that make them bad? NO. Maybe it doesn't like the oil I use!
Like lots have said, change the oil & filter on a regular basis, at 3k miles, use quality type filters, & you probably will do just fine. Each person will do what they feel is right, esp. if you (I) know what works for you, (me)! This works for most people. I try to get better / best quality parts, oil, etc. to get more time/ mileage for the money & still get premium coverage. |
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| xcel |
Hi Lrpba300:
___I won’t fault your reasoning even a little ... I used to use Frams myself. After reading a Consumer Report review on Oil Filters some 10 to 15 years ago, the highest rated at the time and I am sure for ~ the best price was the Fram PH8A if I remember correctly? I was using them up until just a few years ago when the subject really heated up. Now it’s SuperTech or bust ... Until someone proves to me that I really should be purchasing the Bosch semi-synthetic that is ;)
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| Lrpba300 |
quote:
Originally posted by xcel
Hi Lrpba300:
___I won’t fault your reasoning even a little ... I used to use Frams myself. After reading a Consumer Report review on Oil Filters some 10 to 15 years ago, the highest rated at the time and I am sure for ~ the best price was the Fram PH8A if I remember correctly? ......___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
God, I haven't heard / used that filter number for MANY years! If that filter works, great. I guess I'm just stuck on the old stuff. Can't find alot of the newer stuff here in C/S. I tried to find the Mobil 1 filter, parts stores would say, a what for a what?? :rolleyes: Oh well. Good luck 2 u 2 |
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| Jay1967 |
| I have a 2002 mdx and have used the Mobil and now have changed to the k&n filters and find that the k&n seems to filter better. I commute about 125 miles per day and after changing filters when I did an oil change 7500 mi the oil seemed much more clean. I also recently started using royal purple oil, my engine runs cooler and smoother, I suggest everyone out there try it. |
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| XStatic |
| I have to say the ST didn't look from the outside to be as good as the OEM.... |
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| csli |
Has anyone tried the WIX oil filter from NAPA auto parts? Any evaluations?
Thanks! |
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| hopper |
I just bought a Honda filter for my '01 X today.
Two #'s on the filter: 15400-PLM-A02 and S33031
shows made in CANADA, also shows Honeywell on it.
The filter has really shrunk, it has a smaller diameter than previous filters I have purchased from Honda.
Can anyone confirm that this is the right size filter?
Is it made by Fram or Honeywell?
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| DBirch |
I too just bought new oil filters from my local dealer. They are for my wife's 01' MDX, and the outside diameter is noticeably smaller.
The parts guy indicated that Acura went to a smaller filter for the 03' MDX, and it is also used on the RSX. He said Acura then changed the part number for the 01' to the smaller filter.
I'm no oil filter scientist, but it would seems to me that a smaller filter, with less filter media, will either not last as long, not filter as well, or not flow oil as well. In other words, it will become clogged sooner.
I have always used manufacturer filters in order to avoid any issue on a warranty claim re: a defective aftermarket filter.
The dealer also indicated that you can't even buy the larger filter any more. Argh!
Thoughts?
Dean |
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