| socalJD |
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Originally posted by msu79gt82
Its a done deal - Roger Clemens is an Astro:
Clemens must have a death wish - all these years he's been headhunting in the AL knowing that he'd never have to face retaliation (ref: Piazza) . . . has MLB realigned and the Astros are now an AL team or does Clemens have a long term memory lapse . . .
Don't worry LL, I guarantee you that Clemens gets drilled the 1st time he faces the Mets . . . I wonder if he can go up to the plate wearing a hockey goalie's mask and gear ?!?!? |
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For the record, I have always been a lifelong Dodgers fan . . .
That said, I must admit I really like what Moreno is doing with the Ankles (er, I mean Angels).
I am shocked that they can still sign Vlad after getting Escobar & Colon, and cannot believe that he's so cheap - 5 yrs for $70mm averages only 14mm a year and I think his market value is closer to 18-20mm/yr. Silly Dodgers should have offered more, especially if they were seriously trying to get Arod or Nomar . . .
Oh well, Anahiem always had better beer than Dodger stadium . . . |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by neide
Oh, the yankees fans are upset. :D
That means this is a good thing.
As a Yankees fan, Pettitte was the only thing that upset me. Clemens on the other hand, is just a phony. |
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| mullysalt |
| You don't have stones big enough to call Clemens a phony to his face. Who would want to play for an organization that shows more interest in resigning David Wells than Andy Pettitte or Roger Clemens? Down with the yanks and their piss-poor fans. Pudge to Detroit in 2004. |
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Front page article in today's Houston Chronicle about all the Yankee fans (New Yorkers) pissing and moaning about Clemens' lack of loyalty! Say what:rolleyes:
Where is George Steinbrenner's sense of loyalty? Last year the Yanks did not even get around to talking to Clemens until after the Bartolo Colon (and others) talks fell through. George finally got around to talking to Clemens when the Marlins made a serious push:eek:
If I recall correctly the Yankees had 7 other starting pitchers under contract (including signing free agent Jose Contreras for $32 million) BEFORE George ever got around to talking to Clemens!! Then and only then did Steinbrenner sign Clemens!! Also if I recall correctly there were NO contract negotiations - it was a take it or leave it offer (a one year deal for $10 million to be paid over an 11 year period beginning THIS year).
Yankee loayalty - you gotta love it (I'm talking recently, not historically). |
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| mullysalt |
| Let's see ya spin msu's post, LL. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| A major factor in Andy Pettitte signing was Brad Ausmus. Pettitte's agents were in Houston November 18 for preliminary contract discussions and to review the Astros roster. They were especially interested in Ausmus contract status (since he was a free agent). The Astros signed Ausmus to a 4 year deal the next day. |
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| mullysalt |
| didn't trade him back to the Tigers for what would be his third stint as a Motor City Kitty. |
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| msu79gt82 |
... but sometimes I do wish he could hit:rolleyes:
But his knowledge of NL hitters and hit reputation of working with pitchers was a key consideration for Pettitte. The article said Ausmus is already studying film of Pettitte (and Clemens now) to learn his body language; Ausmus can tell when the pitchers (Miller, Oswalt, etc) have had enough, are over-compensating, need encouragement, need to be left alone, etc. |
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| mullysalt |
| His defense is very good but he swings a weak bat. If memory serves he was an All-Star for the Tigers. Now that's a resume builder if I've ever seen one. |
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| msu79gt82 |
(not necessarily in order;) )
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Roy Oswalt
Wade Miller
Tim Redding |
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| mullysalt |
| going to be some kind of battle between the Cubs, Cards and Astros. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by msu79gt82
(not necessarily in order;) )
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Roy Oswalt
Wade Miller
Tim Redding
Here's how it will be:
1. Oswalt - no brainer
2. Pettitte - lefty fits nicely here
3. Miller - solid as a #3 starter
4. Clemens - remember pitch count, probably won't go past 6th
5. Redding - someone has to go #5
Not to rain on 'stro fans' parade, but Clemens is not THE savior. The big B's still need to produce some O and especially come playoffs. Just reminds me how the 'stros got the Unit for the stretch run a few years ago and still got ousted in the 1st round . . . still - Astros may be a helluva lot more fun to watch than my Doghairs . . . |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
You don't have stones big enough to call Clemens a phony to his face. Who would want to play for an organization that shows more interest in resigning David Wells than Andy Pettitte or Roger Clemens? Down with the yanks and their piss-poor fans. Pudge to Detroit in 2004.
What's wrong Mully, still smarting over the arse-whopping your defenseless Chiefs had to endure. Jeez, you'd think even by accident they could have stopped the Colts. Now Vermeil's up there blubbering about his defensive coordinator. He should be hung in effigy for that effort.
As for the Yanks, they were wrong in not securing Pettitte. But I thought that was my point.
As for Clemens, let's see if he's got stones to headhunt in the national league. |
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My point was that Rocket is a phony. He told us this was his last year, he wanted to be closer with his kids. Now he signs on with the Astros. Well, he obviously is not a man of his word. That was my point.
As for Colon last year, I'd still rather have Colon over Rocket in a heartbeat. Rocket was given his rings by the Yankees and not the other way around. Mussina saved his butt last year. Then we had to defend his psychotic tendencies with the whole Piazza thing. Probably his highlight as a Yankee was Game 7 against the Diamondbacks. And we still lost that.
Even this year, I'd rather have Vasquez over Rocket simply based on age. And knowing the Yanks, they'll pick up a #1 or #2 along the line. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| I believe that Clemens really meant to retire. I do not believe that he knew that Andy Pettitte would sign with Houston (that was a MAJOR factor is his change of mind). Also as a Houston resident we get more in depth coverage than other media markets do - his kids were a big part of this decision. The oldest two boys gave him an Astros cap, wrapped up under the Christmas tree. If his family had said they were opposed to this he would not have signed. By the way a clause in his contract allows him to stay home and watch when his oldest son is pitching (he is in high school here in Houston) whenever he is not scheduled to pitch those days. Finally he is not the first and will not be the last to change their minds about a retirement (in a variety of professions). However he is the first one that apparently needs New York citizen approval to do so:rolleyes: |
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| mullysalt |
No, I'm not smarting about the Chiefs loss after all, all the geniuses around here like yourself have been telling me for months how bad the Chiefs are but remember this smackdaddy, at least all of my team didn't lie down like a bunch of pantywastes and let the Saints "rape" them. Truly a class bunch you have to root for there, LL.
What I'm smarting about is the yankee fans insistence of showing off their exceptionally low level of class. Your spin on all things yankee is truly absurd. The person you should be hurling your poorly thrown verbal epitaphs at is Big George not the best pitcher of his era in the AL. Perhaps if the yanks weren't one long over-played soap opera then maybe a down-home sure-fire hall of fame pitcher wouldn't decide that life is better without the yanks. I can't wait until the yanks are again circling the drain like they were through the 80's and half the 90's. It's over LL, the world doesn't revolve around you and your precious NYC teams.
P.S.-Something tells me that Clemens will be fine "throwing inside" in the NL. As for your NYC sports teams LL, at least now you have the best point guard in NBA history (except for Oscar Robertson) running the Knicks. :2: |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
P.S.-Something tells me that Clemens will be fine "throwing inside" in the NL . . .
. . . at least now you have the best point guard in NBA history (except for Oscar Robertson) running the Knicks. . .
re: Clemens, if what Msu reports is true about the clause in Clemens contract, he will definitely be staying home everytime the 'stros face the Mets. Don't kid yourself Mully, ballplayers and managers have long memories, and something tells me that Clemens will be leading the league in 'getting up off the ground and dusting himself off' in the batters box . . .
And, just when did Magic sign with the Knicks ?!?!? (I assume you are talking about Isaiah and not Marbury) |
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| mullysalt |
I know trust me ballplayers have memories like elephants but c'mon man Clemens will still be out on the mound doing his thing. As far as Piazza and the mets go they might only visit Shea once next season how much of a factor will that be over an 162 game schedule?
I'm talking about three-time NBA champion Isiah Thomas you remember him don't ya? He's the guy Magic would always kiss right before the Pistons whupped 'em. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
No, I'm not smarting about the Chiefs loss after all, all the geniuses around here like yourself have been telling me for months how bad the Chiefs are but remember this smackdaddy, at least all of my team didn't lie down like a bunch of pantywastes and let the Saints "rape" them. Truly a class bunch you have to root for there, LL.
What I'm smarting about is the yankee fans insistence of showing off their exceptionally low level of class. Your spin on all things yankee is truly absurd. The person you should be hurling your poorly thrown verbal epitaphs at is Big George not the best pitcher of his era in the AL. Perhaps if the yanks weren't one long over-played soap opera then maybe a down-home sure-fire hall of fame pitcher wouldn't decide that life is better without the yanks. I can't wait until the yanks are again circling the drain like they were through the 80's and half the 90's. It's over LL, the world doesn't revolve around you and your precious NYC teams.
P.S.-Something tells me that Clemens will be fine "throwing inside" in the NL. As for your NYC sports teams LL, at least now you have the best point guard in NBA history (except for Oscar Robertson) running the Knicks. :2:
Mully, you've really gotta get over the $300 you lost on the Giants. But I guess is shows your football prowess in actually picking my loser Gints.
Believe me, George really is a love/hate relationship here in NY. And the team got better during the early 90's when he was banned.
But that aside, you'll be waiting a long time if you think the Yanks are headed for the 80's. They simply have too much money.
As for the best point guard, he plays down the road from my office in E. Rutherford. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
. . . about three-time NBA champion Isiah Thomas you remember him don't ya? He's the guy Magic would always kiss right before the Pistons whupped 'em . . .
Ahh Mully, I seem to remember Isiah winning only 2 titles, they did go to 3 straight finals, but Magic & the Lakers took the 1st one . . .
2 titles, 3 finals, in what was a 15 yr career for Thomas is not shabby but try on 5 titles, 9 finals, never missed the playoffs in an 11 yr career that was cut short and throw in 2 MVPs and the career assists leader at that time and tell me who was the better point guard . . . (I am omitting the 1+ seasons when Magic attempted a comeback to inject life into the Lakers - pre Shaq & Kobe) |
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Didn't "Stick" Michael run things while the boss was banned? That was the best thing to happen to the yanks. Allright thanks for the gambling help tips. Here's the story the last two times I've driven back from Arrowhead I've had to endure the Saints/Giants game on Sunday Night Football and Yankee fan backlash regarding Clemens unretiring to pitch for Houston. So as I've driven home the last two times I've had to listen to the NYC drama and I guess it just builds up until once again I'm bent at either their fans or teams.
P.S.-Do me a favor and never compare that low-life, wife-beater Ason Kidd to Isiah Thomas again. No I didn't leave out the J by accident. |
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| mullysalt |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Ahh Mully, I seem to remember Isiah winning only 2 titles, they did go to 3 straight finals, but Magic & the Lakers took the 1st one . . .
2 titles, 3 finals, in what was a 15 yr career for Thomas is not shabby but try on 5 titles, 9 finals, never missed the playoffs in an 11 yr career that was cut short and throw in 2 MVPs and the career assists leader at that time and tell me who was the better point guard . . . (I am omitting the 1+ seasons when Magic attempted a comeback to inject life into the Lakers - pre Shaq & Kobe)
Just relax socal I threw that in for you and any other Laker fans browsing. You know it's three because that last one with Magic and Kareem was a joke and I know you know of what I speak. So in my opinion that's three. Damn cheaters. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
P.S.-Do me a favor and never compare that low-life, wife-beater Ason Kidd to Isiah Thomas again. No I didn't leave out the J by accident.
ROTFLMAO - I think hell is gonna freeze over cause the Mully and I can agree on this . . . LL you must have had a bigger brain fart than Martz if you can tell us with a straight face that Kidd can be mentioned in the same zipcode as Magic & Isiah . . . |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Just relax socal I threw that in for you and any other Laker fans browsing. You know it's three because that last one with Magic and Kareem was a joke and I know you know of what I speak. So in my opinion that's three. Damn cheaters.
Thanks mullysalt... :19: |
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| socalJD |
Sorry to have hijacked the thread, but had to defend the honor of Magic and Showtime - so now back on topic:
LL, I've got a bold prediction for you - as a lifelong Doghair fan, I will break ranks and predict that the Angels will finish ahead of your cherished Yanks and may even go as far as be the AL rep in this year's WS - gotta love their offseason moves thus far . . . |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Sorry to have hijacked the thread, but had to defend the honor of Magic and Showtime - ...
Well done, socalJD... |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
ROTFLMAO - I think hell is gonna freeze over cause the Mully and I can agree on this . . . LL you must have had a bigger brain fart than Martz if you can tell us with a straight face that Kidd can be mentioned in the same zipcode as Magic & Isiah . . .
I thought you were talking about point guards today. All time? I'll stay with MJ. |
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| mullysalt |
| Word on the street is that Pudge and his agent were in town on Thursday. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
Word on the street is that Pudge and his agent were in town on Thursday.
Why?!?!
Isn't that like playing in Siberia. |
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Shouldn't throw stones. Look LL, this may come as a big surprise to you but NYC/NJ area isn't exactly Shangri La. From one toilet bowl to another, put a sock in it. Can't we have a little hope around here after all the temperature has been down around your I.Q. all week. I'm sorry about the I.Q. crack LL, but c'mon can't we have just one marquee free agent in Detroit? It seems to me like the last big name free agent they brought in and signed was Darrell Evans.
P.S.-Could you elaborate on who you are sticking with in terms of best point guards ever when you say MJ? |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Shouldn't throw stones. Look LL, this may come as a big surprise to you but NYC/NJ area isn't exactly Shangri La. From one toilet bowl to another, put a sock in it. Can't we have a little hope around here after all the temperature has been down around your I.Q. all week. I'm sorry about the I.Q. crack LL, but c'mon can't we have just one marquee free agent in Detroit? It seems to me like the last big name free agent they brought in and signed was Darrell Evans.
P.S.-Could you elaborate on who you are sticking with in terms of best point guards ever when you say MJ?
You're probably right about the IQ since I believe I graduated last in my law class. But then again, this dummy has been able to start his own practice and work less than 40 hours a week. But I digress.
Come on Mully, who the "f" would want to play in Detroit. Your management has been God awful, you last had a winning season during the Reagan administration. And to top it off, it's one of the "fattest" cities in America according to one of those insipid poles.
As for MJ, I guess my defiinition of point guard is a little broader than most in that MJ was the playmaker on the team. Everyone else worked around him. |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
You're probably right about the IQ since I believe I graduated last in my law class. But then again, this dummy has been able to start his own practice and work less than 40 hours a week. But I digress.
Come on Mully, who the "f" would want to play in Detroit. Your management has been God awful, you last had a winning season during the Reagan administration. And to top it off, it's one of the "fattest" cities in America according to one of those insipid poles.
As for MJ, I guess my defiinition of point guard is a little broader than most in that MJ was the playmaker on the team. Everyone else worked around him.
Okay, have it your way. Flame on!
First of all, pat yourself on the back you should be proud of your accomplishments but I'm not here for a pissing contest. It's far too cold.
Secondly, you make valid points about the Tigers management and the all the fat people around here but you left this one out according to the 2000 Census Toledo has the most smokers per capita of any city in the land.
So as I puff away and eat my tenth jelly dough nut this morning remember this; don't take a knife to a gunfight.
When was the last time someone, anyone from the NYC/NJ area actually had something nice to say about anything. No really think about it. All you miserable lowlifes that think their own poo doesn't stink because of one's zip code can in the words of Richie C. "sit on it"(trying to keep this fairly clean, ya know!).
I like poeple, all kinds of people, car salesmen, garbage men and even lawyers. So go chase some ambulances and take a good look around you. I'm thankful I don't live in your cess pool and you're thankful you don't live in mine. In my book that makes us even.
Have a nice day and go get 'em Tigers!
Dombrowski for MLB executive of the year!!!!!!!
P.S.-So now you're trying to convince us that Michael Jordan was a point guard. Someday you should leave that planet you live on and visit a planet called Earth. |
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| msu79gt82 |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
And to top it off, it's one of the "fattest" cities in America according to one of those insipid poles.
Yea are pissed down here - Houston held that title for two years in a row until they stole it;) |
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| msu79gt82 |
| ... Astros signed Orlando Palmeirmo:1: |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Okay, have it your way. Flame on!
First of all, pat yourself on the back you should be proud of your accomplishments but I'm not here for a pissing contest. It's far too cold.
Secondly, you make valid points about the Tigers management and the all the fat people around here but you left this one out according to the 2000 Census Toledo has the most smokers per capita of any city in the land.
So as I puff away and eat my tenth jelly dough nut this morning remember this; don't take a knife to a gunfight.
When was the last time someone, anyone from the NYC/NJ area actually had something nice to say about anything. No really think about it. All you miserable lowlifes that think their own poo doesn't stink because of one's zip code can in the words of Richie C. "sit on it"(trying to keep this fairly clean, ya know!).
I like poeple, all kinds of people, car salesmen, garbage men and even lawyers. So go chase some ambulances and take a good look around you. I'm thankful I don't live in your cess pool and you're thankful you don't live in mine. In my book that makes us even.
Have a nice day and go get 'em Tigers!
Dombrowski for MLB executive of the year!!!!!!!
P.S.-So now you're trying to convince us that Michael Jordan was a point guard. Someday you should leave that planet you live on and visit a planet called Earth.
Obviously Mully you suffer from some sort of 2nd city syndrome. When did I ever make state that the the Northeast was God's Country. Why do you take me critcizing your team as an attack on where you live? If the team sucks, thats what I'm gonna tell ya. ie. my beloved yet sucky Gints. Perhaps those Jelly donuts are clogging up more than your arteries.
Anyway, back to our beloved baseball. Why, oh why, would the Pudge want to play in Detroit. It would be like he's back in Arlington again. He's got no chance at anything. Except for the $40M of course. |
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| mullysalt |
You fired the first shots my friend with your Siberia take followed closer by your astute obervations of the metro Detroit area. You don't keep it just to the teams so why should I?
As if $40 million isn't enough, geez the nerve you have. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
You fired the first shots my friend with your Siberia take followed closer by your astute obervations of the metro Detroit area. You don't keep it just to the teams so why should I?
As if $40 million isn't enough, geez the nerve you have.
Mully, in case you need my source for that stat. . .
http://www.mensfitness.com/rankings/200 |
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| mullysalt |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Mully, in case you need my source for that stat. . .
http://www.mensfitness.com/rankings/200
Thanks for your source but I didn't need it. I live here most of the time and see it every day. It's sad but true.(Sorry to quote a Metallica song but if the shoe fits)
Back to the thread, Pudge please c'mon on down, Detroit needs you.
P.S.-I'm lovin' those heated seats in the MDX. 15K and nine months later I'm still discovering new things I love about my X. I went to the NAIAS last week and looked around at all the new cars and felt a warm comfortable feeling knowing that I scored the right vehicle for me. |
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| laborlitigator |
| 15K in 9 months. . . you have a long commute? Or just like driving it around alot? |
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| mullysalt |
will make the miles add up quickly. It's a 1,600 mile round trip to KC but worth every mile for a crazy Chiefs fan like myself. My commute to work is a four mile round trip.
P.S.-I do like driving it around alot, too. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
will make the miles add up quickly. It's a 1,600 mile round trip to KC but worth every mile for a crazy Chiefs fan like myself. My commute to work is a four mile round trip.
P.S.-I do like driving it around alot, too.
That'll do it. |
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| mullysalt |
| Hearing that some communication will be going on between both sides and something could be done tomorrow between Pudge and the Tigers! |
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| laborlitigator |
| Are the A-Rod talks on again? |
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| mullysalt |
| I can't see that trade not happening, it makes a fair deal of sense. |
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| laborlitigator |
| It would have happened but not for the Players Association. It's kinda ridiculous if you ask me. He should have every right to reduce the contract if he wishes. |
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/base...z-captain_x.htm
NEW YORK — Wearing their finest evening clothes, Alex Rodriguez and the Texas Rangers tried to put a formal end to their troubled offseason filled with trade talk and tension. At an unusual news conference in which everyone wore tuxedos, the Rangers appointed Rodriguez their captain on Sunday night. |
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| laborlitigator |
| It does appear to be over. I guess I should be thankful for the Yankees' sake. But, looking at both teams as unpartisaned as possible, the Sox are the better team. Hands down. |
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| laborlitigator |
| Great, it just gets better. Out for the year. Looks like Drew Henson's getting his glove on. |
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| mullysalt |
| Is Henson ready? Or wiil the Yanks just fill the hole with another veteran? |
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| msu79gt82 |
| No Henson is NOT ready for prime time Baseball; but it does look like he will get his shot and the timing is such that the Texans draft pick gamble last year will not pay off. |
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| mullysalt |
that Tom Brady used to have to split time with Henson during the '99 season at the University of Michigan.:rolleyes: Henson is at the crossroads of his career as an athlete. I wish him the best because who can fault a young kid in taking all of George's guaranteed money. I think like $12 million or so.
Usually, the only thing guaranteed in the NFL is the signing bonus.
P.S.-I'm going to play the always famous "if I were game":
Today I am Pudge. I would beg, borrow or steal to get Seattle to sign me with all that cash they have now that Sasaki has gone back to Japan. |
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| laborlitigator |
| Can you say, "Enrique Wilson" |
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| mullysalt |
Wow! I guess that will work after all Boone didn't do much until his dramatic homer.
P.S.-The "Hot Stove" keeps cookin'. It looks like the Pudge sweepstakes will continue into Feb. plus Maddox still needs a home. |
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| laborlitigator |
| Maddux to the Cubs to solidify the central as the strongest division in baseball. |
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| mullysalt |
Hearing that Henson will NOT continue his baseball career and go back into the NFL Draft this spring.
P.S.-This is through the grapevine not a credible news scorce. Five minutes after posting this Dan Patrick OPENS his show saying that Henson is done with MLB. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| It is a FACT that Henson is in Florida working out with an NFL QB trainer. Reports are very favorable. The Texans own the rights to him until the April draft. Houston all along said they drafted him to potentially trade. There is an advantage to Henson signing and working with Houston in that he can pick his team (sort of). Otherwise he can take his chances in the draft. |
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| mullysalt |
| Several websites are reporting that Pudge could be a Tiger as soon as tomorrow pending a physical with a doctor in Texas. |
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| mullysalt |
| Since the Yanks need a third baseman how about trading for AROD? |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Since the Yanks need a third baseman how about trading for AROD?
Real funny Mully. . . like the Yanks could afford Arod |
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Can you imagine if the Yanks acquire AROD to fill the void at third? Wow! Would Red Sox fan come unglued or what?
Arod for Boone and a couple of prospects. Texas is out from that contract and the Yanks are back on top.
Watch out for the Tigers, though. They could step up and not lose 100 games this year. Dare to dream, LL. Dare to dream. |
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| laborlitigator |
Like Arod would ever play 3rd. He'd take it as a demotion.
As for your Tigers, now they've got to get some more pitching to make a serious run out of the basement. |
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| mullysalt |
| At least in the starting rotation, those kids all have good stuff, they just need to learn how to PITCH in the bigs and some run support wouldn't hurt either.:4: |
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| mullysalt |
| Pudge is a Tiger. Yipee! Bet your bottom dollar.....that the Tigers won't lose a 100 games this year. Because tomorrow, tomorrow is only a day away! |
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| msu79gt82 |
| ... tomorrow for an open NFL workout. All teams have been invited. Reports are that Henson prefers a sign and trade as opposed to re-entering the draft. |
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| mullysalt |
| Pudge is a Tiger. Amazing but true. I may have to break off a trip to spring training. |
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| mullysalt |
| Cubs, Cards, Dodgers or Giants? He would be a good fit with any of these teams but I'd like to see him go back to the Cubs and help them win it all. |
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| laborlitigator |
| Cards could use some pitching. After watching what happened to the Cubs last year has to make you believe they will never win a Series. |
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NEW YORK -- The Yankees are in serious discussions with the Rangers to acquire Alex Rodriguez and move him to third base, where he'd play alongside shortstop Derek Jeter, if you are to believe Newsday.
The 600,000-plus circulation newspaper on suburban Long Island, N.Y., reports in its Saturday editions that A-Rod is desperate to get out of Texas and would be willing to switch positions.
The New York Post, which is usually leading the way when sensational stories pop up, is reporting today only that the Yankees have asked the Rangers about such a trade, in which Alfonso Soriano would leave New York.
A source close to the conversations told ESPN Saturday that talks are in the early stages but that it's a "longshot" the deal will ever be completed because of "many hurdles" that stand in the way.
Soriano, 25, is signed only through 2004, for $5.4 million. He can't be a free agent until after the 2006 season. The 28-year-old Rodriguez is owed $189 million over the next seven years, although he can opt out after 2007. Thus, the Yankees would take on an extra $183.6 million guaranteed if the deal is consummated.
However, according to Newsday's source, the Rangers would be willing to foot some of that bill. The American League source also told Newsday that the two clubs talked late into Friday night about the trade.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman admitted to the Post on Friday that he has approached the Rangers about a deal, but was initially turned down.
"There are many times I float weather balloons to my counterparts," Cashman told the Post. "I won't comment on trade rumors, but it should come as no surprise that I am constantly floating weather balloons to my counterparts. Ninety-nine [percent] of them get popped and fall to the ground."
The Post also reported that the Yankees would likely have to give up Jose Contreras as well as minor-league catcher Dioner Navarro in such a trade.
The Red Sox and Rangers talked extensively this winter about a deal involving A-Rod, but could not get it done, thanks to A-Rod's contract. The two teams did agree to a trade in December, but the union refused to approve it, declaring that A-Rod was setting an unacceptable precedent by diminishing his contract's value.
Rangers owner Tom Hicks then announced that Rodriguez would stay with the Rangers, and last month the team named A-Rod its captain.
The Yankees recently lost third baseman Aaron Boone to what likely is a season-ending knee injury. The trade would create a void at second base for the Yankees. Enrique Wilson and Miguel Cairo would have to share the duties.
Rodriguez, who has 345 career homers, is coming off an MVP season in which he hit .298 with 47 homers and 118 RBI. |
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| mullysalt |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Real funny Mully. . . like the Yanks could afford Arod
See LL, I'm not as crazy as you might think. As soon as Boone went down it became a possibility and with Henson's decision it only added momentum. Dare to Dream, LL.
P.S.-How does this one taste Red Sox fan? Well, look at the bright side, the Pats are still the World Champs. It would be nice though if Boston fans could enjoy it for more than two weeks until Big George and the Evil Empire decided to bring Sox/Pats fan back down to earth. |
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| laborlitigator |
Mully, I will never doubt you again. Then again, the Players Association could nix the deal.
Eitherway, look at this lineup:
Lofton CF
Jeter SS
A Rod 3B
Giambi 1B
Sheffield RF
Williams DH
Matsui LF
Posada C
Wilson 2B
Can you say "4 hour games"? |
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| Maik |
And so it has come to pass. Bucky Dent has been replaced in Red Sox lore by Boone as the ultimate Red Sox killer.
First he hits the winning homer, then gets injured allowing the Yanks to have reason to get A-Rod.
But alas, all is not lost. The Red Sox still have a vastly improved pitching staff ( better than the Yanks, on paper) and if half of the offense from last year shows up, this could be a very memorable season. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by Maik
And so it has come to pass. Bucky Dent has been replaced in Red Sox lore by Boone as the ultimate Red Sox killer.
First he hits the winning homer, then gets injured allowing the Yanks to have reason to get A-Rod.
But alas, all is not lost. The Red Sox still have a vastly improved pitching staff ( better than the Yanks, on paper) and if half of the offense from last year shows up, this could be a very memorable season.
Maik,
Two words. Career years. Look at the body of work for your players.
As for the pitching staff, you've got us beat. For now. And with George, it's only for now. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| Baseball will never hold the place it once held until they get a real salary cap like the NFL has. Buying a championship is a joke :28: and is killing the Great American Pastime. |
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| msu79gt82 |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
For now. And with George, it's only for now.
How sad:confused: Whoever has the most money ...:rolleyes: |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by msu79gt82
How sad:confused: Whoever has the most money ...:rolleyes:
Really MSU? So the Yanks won the Series last year, and the Year before that?! What about in 2001?! Give me a break with the money spending argument.
Spending the most doesn't guarantee you anything. Plus, it's not against the rules. Good management of player personnel always wins out.
I'd rather have George as my owner rather than those owners who took the $30M in luxury tax the Yanks paid and simply put it into their pockets. At least he cares about his team.
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| msu79gt82 |
... you ask me to give you a break :rolleyes: and then say things like this :eek: Thats too funny.
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
At least he cares about his team.
:trustme:
I stand by my point - baseball needs a workable salary cap like the NFL does. Baseballs' popularity wans while football's soars. The fans are nearly unanimous (I say nearly - Yankee fans excluded), in wanting parity. Baseball, like football needs more teams with realistic chances.
Labor you almost insult my intelligence asking who won last year. Yanks have won the AL 6 of the past 8 years with 4 series titles. I wonder who the favorite for this year will be.
PS: I never said George broke the rules; the rules was what I was ranting about and you took it personally:8: |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by msu79gt82
... you ask me to give you a break :rolleyes: and then say things like this :eek: Thats too funny.
I stand by my point - baseball needs a workable salary cap like the NFL does. Baseballs' popularity wans while football's soars. The fans are nearly unanimous (I say nearly - Yankee fans excluded), in wanting parity. Baseball, like football needs more teams with realistic chances.
Labor you almost insult my intelligence asking who won last year. Yanks have won the AL 6 of the past 8 years with 4 series titles. I wonder who the favorite for this year will be.
PS: I never said George broke the rules; the rules was what I was ranting about and you took it personally:8:
You will never get a hard cap in baseball based on the fact there is no revenue sharing among the teams and you've got the strongest union in the world. So keep dreaming.
But let's get back to George. I didn't hear people bashing the Yanks back in the 1980's when he was spending money (and losing, mind you) on players like Ed Whitson, Steve Trout, Jack Clark. This argument ONLY surfaced when they started winning in the 90's.
Spend money and lose, it's ok. Spend the same amount of money and win. You're destroying the game. :hmmm: |
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