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zafer
http://news.independent.co.uk/low_r...&host=3&dir=505
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A senior executive with Britain's biggest drugs company has admitted that most prescription medicines do not work on most people who take them.

Allen Roses, worldwide vice-president of genetics at GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), said fewer than half of the patients prescribed some of the most expensive drugs actually derived any benefit from them.

It is an open secret within the drugs industry that most of its products are ineffective in most patients but this is the first time that such a senior drugs boss has gone public. His comments come days after it emerged that the NHS drugs bill has soared by nearly 50 per cent in three years, rising by £2.3bn a year to an annual cost to the taxpayer of £7.2bn. GSK announced last week that it had 20 or more new drugs under development that could each earn the company up to $1bn (£600m) a year.

Dr Roses, an academic geneticist from Duke University in North Carolina, spoke at a recent scientific meeting in London where he cited figures on how well different classes of drugs work in real patients.

Drugs for Alzheimer's disease work in fewer than one in three patients, whereas those for cancer are only effective in a quarter of patients. Drugs for migraines, for osteoporosis, and arthritis work in about half the patients, Dr Roses said. Most drugs work in fewer than one in two patients mainly because the recipients carry genes that interfere in some way with the medicine, he said.

"The vast majority of drugs - more than 90 per cent - only work in 30 or 50 per cent of the people," Dr Roses said. "I wouldn't say that most drugs don't work. I would say that most drugs work in 30 to 50 per cent of people. Drugs out there on the market work, but they don't work in everybody."

Some industry analysts said Dr Roses's comments were reminiscent of the 1991 gaffe by Gerald Ratner, the jewellery boss, who famously said that his high street shops are successful because they sold "total crap". But others believe Dr Roses deserves credit for being honest about a little-publicised fact known to the drugs industry for many years.

"Roses is a smart guy and what he is saying will surprise the public but not his colleagues," said one industry scientist. "He is a pioneer of a new culture within the drugs business based on using genes to test for who can benefit from a particular drug."

Dr Roses has a formidable reputation in the field of "pharmacogenomics" - the application of human genetics to drug development - and his comments can be seen as an attempt to make the industry realise that its future rests on being able to target drugs to a smaller number of patients with specific genes.

The idea is to identify "responders" - people who benefit from the drug - with a simple and cheap genetic test that can be used to eliminate those non-responders who might benefit from another drug.

This goes against a marketing culture within the industry that has relied on selling as many drugs as possible to the widest number of patients - a culture that has made GSK one of the most profitable pharmaceuticals companies, but which has also meant that most of its drugs are at best useless, and even possibly dangerous, for many patients.

Dr Roses said doctors treating patients routinely applied the trial-and-error approach which says that if one drug does not work there is always another one. "I think everybody has it in their experience that multiple drugs have been used for their headache or multiple drugs have been used for their backache or whatever.

"It's in their experience, but they don't quite understand why. The reason why is because they have different susceptibilities to the effect of that drug and that's genetic," he said.

"Neither those who pay for medical care nor patients want drugs to be prescribed that do not benefit the recipient. Pharmacogenetics has the promise of removing much of the uncertainty."

Response rates

Therapeutic area: drug efficacy rate in per cent

Alzheimer's: 30
Analgesics (Cox-2): 80
Asthma: 60
Cardiac Arrythmias: 60
Depression (SSRI): 62
Diabetes: 57
Hepatits C (HCV): 47
Incontinence: 40
Migraine (acute): 52
Migraine (prophylaxis)50
Oncology: 25
Rheumatoid arthritis50
Schizophrenia: 60

DaleB
Do they already know this when they do trials before releasing drugs for use?
Or maybe the trials are extended into the general population.
greatscot
Gives new meaning to the term "Drug-Free Workplace" :2:
MGTD
You have to put this in context. He is a genetisist. He is advocating for 'personal' compound drugs that are custom tailored to an individual. This is a big trend in the pharma business. They want to scan everybody's dna, check for you specific problems and then make you a compound drug by order that is specific to you and your problems.

This way they can avoid cross drug problems and neutralization as well as give doses etc specific to your problems.

Chris
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zafer
quote:
Originally posted by DaleB
Do they already know this when they do trials before releasing drugs for use?
Or maybe the trials are extended into the general population.


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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=471131
But even when a drug has been approved in terms of safety and "efficacy" - whether it does what the label says it should do - few people realise just how poorly they perform in real life.

Trial approach

PHASE I: These first studies evaluate how a new drug or therapy should be given (by mouth, injection into the blood or injection into the muscle), how often, and what dose is safe. A phase I trial usually enrols a small number of patients, sometimes as few as a dozen.

PHASE II: A phase II trial usually focuses on one type of illness, continuing to test the safety of treatment and beginning to evaluate how well it works. This is the essential intermediate step that will determine whether the drug will go into bigger and more costly phase III trials.

PHASE III: These studies test a new drug, a new combination of drugs or a new therapy in comparison to the current standard treatment. A participant will usually be assigned to the standard group or the new group at random (called randomisation). Often it involves "double blind" trials, where neither the patient nor doctor knows who is being given the new drug. Phase III trials often enrol large numbers of people and may be conducted at many doctors' offices, clinics and cancer centres nationwide.
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http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health/story.jsp?story=471469
Most data on "efficacy" - how well the drug did in clinical trials - is buried within obscure scientific journals and rarely if ever published on labels.
DaleB
quote:
Originally posted by MGTD
You have to put this in context. He is a genetisist. He is advocating for 'personal' compound drugs that are custom tailored to an individual. This is a big trend in the pharma business. They want to scan everybody's dna, check for you specific problems and then make you a compound drug by order that is specific to you and your problems.

This way they can avoid cross drug problems and neutralization as well as give doses etc specific to your problems.

Chris



Sounds like a great idea. But imagine what it will do to costs which are already high. I doubt many HMOs will pick up the cost of a DNA scan. A bit beyond approving generic drugs.

Granted, for cancer and other life-threatening disorders it could save a lot of time spent trying different chemotherapies.
MGTD
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Originally posted by DaleB


Sounds like a great idea. But imagine what it will do to costs which are already high. I doubt many HMOs will pick up the cost of a DNA scan. A bit beyond approving generic drugs.

Granted, for cancer and other life-threatening disorders it could save a lot of time spent trying different chemotherapies.



They expect to get them down to about $50 in the not too distant future so HMO's will go for it. Especially since they won't have to shell out for all these drugs that don't do anything.

You will be expected to carry your dna and your med records on your hmo card with you.

Chris
DaleB
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Originally posted by MGTD


You will be expected to carry your dna and your med records on your hmo card with you.

Chris



More support for the chip under the skin? I do not think you want that info on a card that could get lost. Interesting, none the less.

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