| rbf351 |
please don't use the forums for this purpose.
thanks
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| JL889 |
| What year model did these come out of? I have an 01 Same thing? Lemmie know Thanks -Joe |
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| rbf351 |
quote:
Originally posted by JL889
What year model did these come out of? I have an 01 Same thing? Lemmie know Thanks -Joe
2003 |
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| Warzau |
| So what are you selling? Copies of the backup? or Are you making copies for those who cannot? How do you go about verifying that they already have a original? |
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| rbf351 |
quote:
Originally posted by Warzau
So what are you selling? Copies of the backup? or Are you making copies for those who cannot? How do you go about verifying that they already have a original?
they are copies of my original, from what i've been reading as long as iown the original which i do i am allowed to makes copies of it |
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| Warzau |
| I understand you made copies of YOUR originals. Yes it is true you can make a backup for personal use. BUT the question is are you selling those copies of YOUR original. OR are you selling copies for those who have the same version who otherwise cannot go about coping their original? If the latter is the case how do you go about verifing that a person has that version you are selling them. |
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| rbf351 |
quote:
Originally posted by Warzau
I understand you made copies of YOUR originals. Yes it is true you can make a backup for personal use. BUT the question is are you selling those copies of YOUR original. OR are you selling copies for those who have the same version who otherwise cannot go about coping their original? If the latter is the case how do you go about verifing that a person has that version you are selling them.
i'm just selling copies of mine, the point is selling them to people who don't have the newest version before the new upgrade |
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| nhatman |
uhh...i'm no lawyer but i'm quite certain that what you are doing is illegal. you can make a backup copy for yourself and for your personal use because you already own the original.
you can prob make copies and give/sell them to people that already have the original also (in other words, they already have the rights to the software since they already own an original).
you're basically saying that i can sell as many copies of any software, dvd movies, or music cd's as i want because i own the original. sorry, but i don't think it works like that.
don't shoot the messenger, but i would have to agree with warzau that what you're doing is illegal. |
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| Mando |
One word....
Piracy
The content on the ORIGINAL DVD are copyrighted and protected and what you are doing, if I understand your description, is piracy, plain and simple.
HOWEVER, you have the right to back up your program/data. But, providing copies of YOUR original for sale, is illegal. |
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| rbf351 |
quote:
Originally posted by nhatman
uhh...i'm no lawyer but i'm quite certain that what you are doing is illegal. you can make a backup copy for yourself and for your personal use because you already own the original.
you can prob make copies and give/sell them to people that already have the original also (in other words, they already have the rights to the software since they already own an original).
you're basically saying that i can sell as many copies of any software, dvd movies, or music cd's as i want because i own the original. sorry, but i don't think it works like that.
don't shoot the messenger, but i would have to agree with warzau that what you're doing is illegal.
i saw some news article on yahoo the other day about this, and thats why i started doing it, all the judges said it was ok since the kid owned the originals |
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| Mando |
quote:
Originally posted by rbf351
i saw some news article on yahoo the other day about this, and thats why i started doing it, all the judges said it was ok since the kid owned the originals
Be careful...YOU have the responsibility to confirm that the receipient HAS an ORIGINAL before providing a copy. Otherwise, you might be setting yourself up for some serious problems. |
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| rbf351 |
quote:
Originally posted by Mando
Be careful...YOU have the responsibility to confirm that the receipient HAS an ORIGINAL before providing a copy. Otherwise, you might be setting yourself up for some serious problems.
looks like i read the article wrong, mods please either close or delete this post
thanks |
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| TheWorm |
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Please don't use the forums for purposes of software piracy.
Fair use means you can make copies of original, owned/licensed material for backup purposes and/or your own uses. For yourself. You can't sell it.
Either you misread that Yahoo article or the writer miswrote.
I'll leave this thread open so you can provide a link to the article if you'd like.
But in the meantime, I'm editing your posts to reflect the "no software piracy" comment. |
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| TheWorm |
| Ah, I see we posted @ about the same time. Thanks for re-checking that article. |
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| Warzau |
| Yup that was the point I was trying to get across. If its for yourself, its all fine and dandy, if you give it to other or sell it to other it is SW piracy. Im glad we understand each other.:4: |
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| zafer |
| Why would anyone even bother to buy a backup copy from 351 if they didn't own the original in the first place? Its not like the disc can be used anywhere else. You've got to have the oem equipment in which a disc existed at one time. So why worry about its legality? (this isn't recently released infamous update, or is it?) He's offering it at almost cost and postage anyway, hardly any profit... |
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| zafer |
quote:
Originally posted by rbf351
2003
2.05b isn't out of a 2003, its the original disk in earlier models. ...and the suspended update is 2.11b. |
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| Warzau |
quote:
Originally posted by zafer
Why would anyone even bother to buy a backup copy from 351 if they didn't own the original in the first place? Its not like the disc can be used anywhere else. You've got to have the oem equipment in which a disc existed at one time. So why worry about its legality? (this isn't recently released infamous update, or is it?) He's offering it at almost cost and postage anyway, hardly any profit...
Zafer that isnt the point, the fact was he WAS ( past tense and now not going to) to sell Copyright Software. Irregarless if its not current or up to date isnt the issue in the eyes of the original manufacturer, just the case he was selling it for a profit even if its little would get their pantys in a bunch, and him in trouble. |
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| DaleB |
quote:
Originally posted by Warzau
Zafer that isnt the point, the fact was he WAS ( past tense and now not going to) to sell Copyright Software. Irregarless if its not current or up to date isnt the issue in the eyes of the original manufacturer, just the case he was selling it for a profit even if its little would get their pantys in a bunch, and him in trouble.
True, but it is interesting what value some folks place on merchandise about which they apparently have insufficient knowledge. |
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| pdempsey |
quote:
Originally posted by Mando
One word....
Piracy
I call it THEFT. And that makes the seller a thief. It's really that simple.
Lots of software developers' jobs depend on the sale of their hard work. What you're doing is jeopardizing their jobs.
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| Warzau |
| just as a FYI the orignal seller is NOT going to sell the backups he misread a story on Yahoo. |
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| rbf351 |
quote:
Originally posted by Warzau
just as a FYI the orignal seller is NOT going to sell the backups he misread a story on Yahoo.
exactly, i mis read and did admit in an earlier post that i read it wrong, no harm done on this one
btw 2.5b from what i knew was the newest version available before the uprage they just released |
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