| laborlitigator |
Down to the final 12. . . so who's it going to be?
In a season full of parity, which one will emerge?
I'll throw my choices into the ring. . .
Philadelphia v. Baltimore in Houston |
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| Maik |
Pats finished strong, and have given up only one td in last 6 home games.Their defense led the league in defensive td's and the offense has looked strong in the last several games. Someone will have to beat the Pats in Foxboro. Pats will not be the first team to win 12 straight and not go to Super Bowl.
Pats vs Phily in Superbowl.
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| texrb |
| Pats vs St. Louis in Superbowl & Pats win |
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| keremoner |
| Pats vs Philly in the Superbowl with Pats being victorious, ofcourse. |
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| laborlitigator |
I want to amend my choice to: Titans/Baltimore winner v. Philly
BTW, I think Mr. Manning (who the "experts" have chosen as MVP) won't win again next week.
League MVP should either be McNair or Jamal Lewis. |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
I want to amend my choice to: Titans/Baltimore winner v. Philly
BTW, I think Mr. Manning (who the "experts" have chosen as MVP) won't win again next week.
League MVP should either be McNair or Jamal Lewis.
MVP should be the whole Pats team. What will it take to realize (after 2001 and 2003) that teamwork is what the game is about? That is why this superbowl won't be much of a contest. Laborlitigator, sorry to break this news to you. |
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| asn |
hey - you listed balt twice, and forgot the broncos
broncos - rams superbowl |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
MVP should be the whole Pats team. What will it take to realize (after 2001 and 2003) that teamwork is what the game is about? That is why this superbowl won't be much of a contest. Laborlitigator, sorry to break this news to you.
Not much of a contest???
While I agree that the Pats certainly have the best defense coming into the playoffs, and the plenty of close game experience, there will be no cakewalks. Once the tournament begins, anyone can win, and thats why the next two weekends are my favorite football weekends.
Having said that, I still think it will be the Pats vs Phily. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by asn
hey - you listed balt twice, and forgot the broncos
broncos - rams superbowl
Broncos are certainly positioned for a run. They are hot at the right time. |
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| mullysalt |
Go Chiefs! Okay, everyone now rip on their defense. I've kept the faith and will keep it to the end. I still haven't heard of any other member on this board who had stones enough to make reservations in Houston for the Super Bowl besides me. Go Chiefs!
P.S.-Priest Holmes should be your MVP. He's mine. How's that hip doin' now, LL? |
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| rjmitche |
Even though they sort of backed into the playoffs, I don't know that I'd want to be playing the Packers right now. I'm not saying that they are going to win it all or even make it to the big game but, they could make things interesting. I realize that if it weren't for a few miracle plays by the Cardinals they wouldn't even be in the playoffs but, they seem to be one of those 'on any given Sunday' type teams (depending on which Favre shows up - the one that completes passes into triple coverage or the one that throws 5 interceptions).
(And this is coming from a Bears fan! :rolleyes: ). |
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| greatscot |
| Remember now, I was the second from the bottom on the Pick 'em game, but I like the Eagles to win it all. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
I still haven't heard of any other member on this board who had stones enough to make reservations in Houston for the Super Bowl besides me. Go Chiefs!
Don't need reservations...I will buy yours at 1/2 price from you!
Actually, I hope the Pats and Chiefs meet in AFC Championship game. In 2002, Pats started fast 3-0 and met the Chiefs in week 4. Although the Pats won to go to 4-0, the Chiefs exposed the Pats lack of a run defense that spelled the end to any repeat by the Pats.
Since then, Pats added all new defensive backfeild (except Law), Ted (Mt) Washington, Ty Warren and Dan Klecko. This new blood, along with McGinnist's best season in years has the defense poised to lead the way to another trip to the Superbowl. |
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| mullysalt |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Don't need reservations...I will buy yours at 1/2 price from you!
If that doesn't work maybe msu79gt82 has got a couch for rent? |
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| asn |
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Originally posted by rjmitche
Even though they sort of backed into the playoffs, I don't know that I'd want to be playing the Packers right now. I'm not saying that they are going to win it all or even make it to the big game but, they could make things interesting. I realize that if it weren't for a few miracle plays by the Cardinals they wouldn't even be in the playoffs but, they seem to be one of those 'on any given Sunday' type teams (depending on which Favre shows up - the one that completes passes into triple coverage or the one that throws 5 interceptions).
(And this is coming from a Bears fan! :rolleyes: ).
keep in mind that the broncos were playing their 2nd and 3rd string players when they played the packers. And with that, the broncos were still in it until the third qtr when green had his 98 yard run, and then the fumble td on the next play. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by keremoner
MVP should be the whole Pats team. What will it take to realize (after 2001 and 2003) that teamwork is what the game is about? That is why this superbowl won't be much of a contest. Laborlitigator, sorry to break this news to you.
Yeah, your guys (and their teamwork) just breezed through the playoffs last year. Oh, I forgot, they didn't make the playoffs last year. |
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| keremoner |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Yeah, your guys (and their teamwork) just breezed through the playoffs last year. Oh, I forgot, they didn't make the playoffs last year.
Just an off year and some problems with the offensive line. Still, they had the same record with the Jets and the Dolphins. |
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| laborlitigator |
| Look, I love the Pats defense, the problem with your team is that they cannot run the ball. If you folks had even a decent running game, I'd crown you guys as the favorites. |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Look, I love the Pats defense, the problem with your team is that they cannot run the ball. If you folks had even a decent running game, I'd crown you guys as the favorites.
Running game is overrated. Pats offensive schemes is baffling enough to other teams and none has figured out the answer in the past 3 months. In other words, coaching and play selection will overcome a so-so running game any day. Also, when you haven't allowed a touchdown at home in 7 games, it doesn't matter as much either. |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Running game is overrated. Pats offensive schemes is baffling enough to other teams and none has figured out the answer in the past 3 months. In other words, coaching and play selection will overcome a so-so running game any day...
keremoner,
Trust me, "baffling" offensive schemes are short lived in the NFL " Not For Long". The Gruden/Callahan Scheme put up historical MVP numbers, until Tampa exposed it. Because teams have studied it 24/7, they can now defend it in their sleep. It's just a matter of time.... That is why running and defense wins championships. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mdxxxx
keremoner,
Trust me, "baffling" offensive schemes are short lived in the NFL " Not For Long". The Gruden/Callahan Scheme put up historical MVP numbers, until Tampa exposed it. Because teams have studied it 24/7, they can now defend it in their sleep. It's just a matter of time.... That is why running and defense wins championships.
Exactly, name me a team that won it all that wasn't able to do both?
As for baffling schemes, my lowly Giants outgained your Pats a few weeks back. You want to see dominating defense, watch Tennessee or Baltimore. |
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| Maik |
When talking about defense, the Pats have the BEST defense in the AFC, during the regular season. The object of a defense is simple, prevent the other team from scoring. The Pats gave up the fewest points in the conference.
As far as a running game is concerned, the Pats are fine. Many of their plays incorporate short passes which are tatamount to a running game, basically long handoffs.
Hey, the lack of respect this team gets is OK by me, fuels the team's fire as we saw in 2001. I will say, however, that many of the "real" experts are picking the Pats, as opposed to the self professed ones that seem to be picking others.
As far as Baltimore is concerned, I really don't think a one dimensional team is going to get far. Jamal is a great back, but lets remember that 25% of his yards were gained at the expense of the Cleveland Browns. The Pats have proven this year that they have been able to stop each teams running game, and they have faced several.
Anyone who thinks that the Pats offensive schemes are the reason they are 14-2, really has not seen much of this team. The offense has been great in crunch time, and there is no one I would rather have at qb right now in the final 2 minutes than Brady, but not awesome by any standard. |
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| m2pc |
| What impressed me about the Pats this year was their ability to achieve under difficult circumstances. I still do not like what happened to Lawyer Milloy, but I guess Bill was right. More impressive was their ability to replace so many starters due to injuries and still succeed. My knock on Bill Belicheck when he first came on as the coach for the Pats was his inability to pick players in the draft for the Browns. Well, this years seems to have proved me wrong (maybe its Pioli and not Bill who had such a productive draft). Also, their 14-2 record was played against some pretty decent team. Not bad for a team without a running game ;) |
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| mullysalt |
If Maz can come back and be effective for the playoffs, watch out! If Maz can't go or is a shadow of himself then to qoute the Sopranos "forgettaboutit".
P.S.-Maz=MLB Mike Maslowski, He's the heart and soul of the Chiefs D. Stop laughing, LL. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
If Maz can come back and be effective for the playoffs, watch out! If Maz can't go or is a shadow of himself then to qoute the Sopranos "forgettaboutit".
P.S.-Maz=MLB Mike Masolwski, He's the heart and soul of the Chiefs D. Stop laughing, LL.
I'm glad you told us who "Maz" was b/c I had no idea.:hmmm: |
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| m2pc |
| If the Pats and KC do end up playing together and "MAZ" is not there, that = Pats have a running game against the KC defence :2: |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by m2pc
If the Pats and KC do end up playing together and "MAZ" is not there, that = Pats have a running game against the KC defence :2:
Don Bosco Prep would have a running game against KC. . . :2: |
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| mullysalt |
| Time will tell, mouth. |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Exactly, name me a team that won it all that wasn't able to do both?
As for baffling schemes, my lowly Giants outgained your Pats a few weeks back. You want to see dominating defense, watch Tennessee or Baltimore.
Pats record speaks for itself. Enough said. I love doubters like some of you guys. If you haven't learned anything from 2001, 2003 season will give you another opportunity to learn. Pats team is made up of good players very few of whom are 'all-star' material, yet they prove you wrong week after week. |
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| mullysalt |
Pats are the team to beat, I see that, you see that and damn near anyone with a pulse would see that, but good ole LL likes to think that the world revolves around NYC and its' teams. Personally one thing that pleases me about these playoffs is that the states of NY and CA aren't represented. LL, your team stinks out loud, the Giants did this season what I thought no team could do; stink as bad as the Cleveland Browns. The Giants quit on Fassel, themselves, their family and fans. They're a bunch of quiters with no heart and by the way they cost me $300 by laying down against Aaron Brooks and the 'aints. The Giants stole their paychecks this year.
P.S.-Maybe Favre laying down so Strahan(good ole gap tooth) could get his record was a precursor of things to come(i.e.-like the Giants laying down like the dogs they are this season). |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Pats are the team to beat, I see that, you see that and damn near anyone with a pulse would see that, but good ole LL likes to think that the world revolves around NYC and its' teams. Personally one thing that pleases me about these playoffs is that the states of NY and CA aren't represented. LL, your team stinks out loud, the Giants did this season what I thought no team could do; stink as bad as the Cleveland Browns. The Giants quit on Fassel, themselves, their family and fans. They're a bunch of quiters with no heart and by the way they cost me $300 by laying down against Aaron Brooks and the 'aints. The Giants stole their paychecks this year.
P.S.-Maybe Favre laying down so Strahan(good ole gap tooth) could get his record was a precursor of things to come(i.e.-like the Giants laying down like the dogs they are this season).
I've got no argument about my Gints. They did suck the whole year. If I recall though, didn't the Chiefs get buttwaxed by the lowly Vikings a few weeks ago. But getting back to my real argument, which is, that defense and running are predominantly what wins championships. Hands down, KC's got the running game, and the Pats have the d-fense. However, no team in the AFC has dominant ones on both except for, I argue, the Ravens and the Titans. Unfortunately, for my argument, those teams will knock eachother out.
But either way, since the Pats will be playing the winner of that game. Unless of course, the Colts do another choke job. . . which I think they will. |
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| mullysalt |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
If I recall though, didn't the Chiefs get buttwaxed by the lowly Vikings a few weeks ago.
But either way, since the Pats will be playing the winner of that game. Unless of course, the Colts do another choke job. . . which I think they will.
Yes the Chiefs lost to Minnesota, it was one of their three losses they had during the regular season. Three, LL. Now towards your final words of this last post. WTF? How can the Pats be playing the winner of Tenn/Balt if you think that the Colts will choke? Stop trying to confuse us with lawyer talk.:2: |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Yes the Chiefs lost to Minnesota, it was one of their three losses they had during the regular season. Three, LL. Now towards your final words of this last post. WTF? How can the Pats be playing the winner of Tenn/Balt if you think that the Colts will choke? Stop trying to confuse us with lawyer talk.:2:
Come on Mully, would you rather play the Colts or the Titans/Baltimore. . . not even a choice.
Also, I'd really like to see a 56-51 playoff game. |
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| mullysalt |
| I don't care who the Chiefs play or where they play them. I'm glad just to see them still playing. Now, if I had my druthers I'd like to see them play two home games since I have tickets to both. As far as who they play it doesn't matter to me. It's the playoffs and there are no free rides to Houston. |
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| Maik |
LL, one of the problems with your theory is it fails to consider rushing defense. During the regular season, the Pats faced Portis, Taylor, Williams (2), Henry (2), Martin (2), James and George. These 1,000 yard runners were all on teams that the Pats beat. The Pats defense is built to stop the run. The D line, anchored by Ted Washington has been able to tie up every offensive line it has faced.
As far as needing a big time running game to win in the playoffs, the reason why that is so is due to weather concerns. Conventional wisdom dictates that a running game is nessessary in the playoffs due to the time of year and weather. Well, all we need to do is look at the last month of the season to see that the weather did not adversly effect the Pats offense. They played in two snowstorms and several other subfreezing games, and won them all.
As a Pats fan, I am only concerned about one team, the Broncos.
They are healthy, smart well coached, and hot at the right time.
Baltimore does not worry me, the offense is far to one dimensional and A Wright is not good enough to lead them to playoff wins. Colts dont worry me, because they are the Colts and Titans are inconsistant at best with a defense that gives up points (Pats scored 38 when they played earlier) . |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
I don't care who the Chiefs play or where they play them. I'm glad just to see them still playing. Now, if I had my druthers I'd like to see them play two home games since I have tickets to both. As far as who they play it doesn't matter to me. It's the playoffs and there are no free rides to Houston.
Well said!
Mully, the league allows all teams to sell two playoff tickets as long as they are not eliminated at the middle of November. Its a team descision. The prices are even set by the league. Dont worry, you can either request a refund of the unused Championship game ticket or apply it against next years season ticket invoice. Of course, if you request a refund, it will be sent next summer!
Been there, done that! |
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| laborlitigator |
McNair showed why he deserved his part of the MVP. Now, let's see what Manning does.
I still think the Broncos pull off the upset. |
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| JimH |
| I picked Green Bay. However, I pick Green Bay each year, and it does not usually go well for them in the playoffs. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by JimH
I picked Green Bay. However, I pick Green Bay each year, and it does not usually go well for them in the playoffs.
It looks like the stars are in alignment for Green Bay again. What an ending! If they go into Philly and win, I'm picking them to go all the way. However, I think there run ends next week.
As for Peyton Manning, kudos to a job well done.
It sets us up to two great games: Indy v. KC (Over and under must be in the high 70's) and Pats v. Titans. |
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| keremoner |
| None of the NFC teams looked impressive. GB didn't dazzle at all, just benefitted from a foolish pass attempt. In the AFC, Indy looked good and Titans stunk. So much for Baltimore's defense. You need to be able to score points, too ! I am still sticking to my Philly - Pats final. I am also sticking to my Pats championship prediction. Afterall, they are an improved team over the 2001 squad and last time any team looked this invincible to me was the Bears team of 1985. I was right then and I am confident I am right now. Sorry once again LL. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
None of the NFC teams looked impressive. GB didn't dazzle at all, just benefitted from a foolish pass attempt. In the AFC, Indy looked good and Titans stunk. So much for Baltimore's defense. You need to be able to score points, too ! I am still sticking to my Philly - Pats final. I am also sticking to my Pats championship prediction. Afterall, they are an improved team over the 2001 squad and last time any team looked this invincible to me was the Bears team of 1985. I was right then and I am confident I am right now. Sorry once again LL.
As invicible as the Bears. . . was that quote right? Obviously, Keremoner is still recovering from his New Year's hangover.
I don't see how you can say the Titans looked terrible. It was a defensive struggle. I'll calling it right now, the Titans will pull off the upset this weekend in New England. |
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| Maik |
To compare the Pats to the 1985 Bears is ludicrous. That was one of the top 5 or 6 teams in the history of the NFL. I like the Pats chances but they are not in that class.
It should be an interesting weekend. The Colts looked good, but can they do it again outside? Same for the Titans, they looked good, but to keep up that same level of intensity two weeks in a row on the road?
Realistically I can see any of the remaining AFC teams winning. It will depend on who brings their A game. |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
To compare the Pats to the 1985 Bears is ludicrous. That was one of the top 5 or 6 teams in the history of the NFL. I like the Pats chances but they are not in that class.
It shou;d be am interesting weekend. The Colts looked good, but can they do it again outside? Same for the Titans, they looked good, but to keep up that same level of intensity two weeks in a row on the road?
Realistically I can see any of the remaining AFC teams winning. It will depend on who brings their A game.
You are the diplomat of diplomats, maik. Talent wise you are right. That Bears team was more talented, at least defensively. However, you are falling into the same trap as LL. Coaching is the key as well as team spirit. This team excells that Bears team on both counts. |
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| mullysalt |
C'mon kere, the 85 Bears are one of the best teams ever. Just concentrate on beating the Titans. It wouldn't be shocking to see any of the four remaining teams from the AFC make it to Houston for the Super Bowl. It should make for some exciting football.
I'm searching for some advice from the forum here..........
Should we take in the St. Louis/Carolina game on Saturday afternoon on our way to KC?
Or we can goto the Mizzou/Texas A&M basketball game Saturday afternoon and watch the NFL games in Columbia.
P.S.-Eddie George may have just cemented his place in Canton with his performance against Balty. What a warrior! This is coming from a Meechigan fan, too!
:eek: OMG! Someone else voted for the Chiefs besides yours truly, I'm impressed. :eek:
Go Chiefs! Vermiel's coming back next year. Looks like I'll have to renew the season ducats. |
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| Maik |
Mully,
No contest here...go to the Rams game. What a weekend that would be. Can always go to college basketball game. Two NFL playoff games in one weekend, not a frequent thing. |
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| Blueflame |
My pick for this year will be Green Bay vs New England.
Die hard 49er fan and we are going anywhere. |
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| Maik |
Well, the forecast is clear and colddd Saturday nite in Foxboro, with lite wind and temps in the single digits. Windchill will be sub zero!
Even with the new playing surface put down this week, the field will certainly resemble the frozen tundra.
While I will be there as usual cheering Pats on, I would be lying if I did not confess that I am a tad concerned about this game. As a believer in statistics, there are two that worry me. First, the Pats win streak is 12, at some time it must end, and with each win, that probability would seem to increase. Also, in the NFL, it is tough enough to beat any team twice in one season, but to beat a good team twice may be asking to much.
One thing that may well be in the Pats favor is health. They are at full force, while the Titans are hurting a little. I believe that a key to the game could be McNair's ailing leg. It has been limiting his running and forced him to be more of a pocket passer. If the Pats can stop George and force McNair to throw, he will throw at least two intercepts which could be the difference. |
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| laborlitigator |
To beat the Pats, the Titans should run the ball as much as possible and not place too many throws across the middle. They should work their way from the markers out.
I'm still picking the upset in this one. The only other road team to posslby pull of an upset would be Carolina. But if you look at the stats, in this round, home teams are 80% winners. |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
To beat the Pats, the Titans should run the ball as much as possible and not place too many throws across the middle. They should work their way from the markers out.
I'm still picking the upset in this one. The only other road team to posslby pull of an upset would be Carolina. But if you look at the stats, in this round, home teams are 80% winners.
Time for school! Upset picks are 1.) Indy over KC and 2) GB over Philly. Titans upsetting Pats is as likely as a 80 degree weather on gameday at Foxboro. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Time for school! Upset picks are 1.) Indy over KC and 2) GB over Philly. Titans upsetting Pats is as likely as a 80 degree weather on gameday at Foxboro.
If GB pulls off the upset in Philly, then I'm riding them all the way. No way in heck they come out of there with a win. |
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| Maik |
I also like GB this weekend. In fact, I would say that the winner of that game will meet the winner of the Pats game in Houston.
LL, dont count on the Titans being able to run against the Pats. No one has been able to since Washington and Johnson have come back. George will not even come close to 100 yards. |
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| Maik |
| How about the NFC East... Coughlin and Gibbs joining Parcells and Reid. May well be the best coached division in NFL next year. |
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| laborlitigator |
| You gotta hand it to Snyder for being able to bring back Gibbs.:claphead: |
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| mullysalt |
Heading out of Dodge this afternoon on KC Chiefs Bandwagon. We still may hit the Rams/Panthers game on Saturday. Chiefs President Carl Peterson has put it on the "12th man" to make a difference on Sunday. I'll do my fair share and then some. We're rollin' in the X so we'll definitely be enjoying the ride.:4:
Good luck to everyones' teams this weekend, God Bless and Go Chiefs! |
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| Maik |
Forecast in KC is for temps in the low 50's. Should be perfect for an offensive explosion. I dont think that the Colts can maintain the same level of intensity 2 weeks in a row, so I like the Chiefs in a high scoring game.
Forecast in Foxboro is for very cold, wind chills in the -10 degree range. My game plan includes plenty of layers of clothing and a pregame feast that includes steamed clams, shrimp and baby backribs, grilled slow.
Severe Weather Alert from the National Weather Service
... WIND CHILL ADVISORY TODAY AND TONIGHT...
FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS MORNING... THE WIND CHILL ADVISORY HAS BEEN EXPANDED TO INCLUDE FOXBOROUGH
UNUSUALLY FRIGID AIR... EVEN FOR MID WINTER WILL REMAIN OVER NEW ENGLAND TODAY AND SATURDAY. THE COMBINATION OF VERY COLD TEMPERATURES AND A BRISK NORTH TO NORTHWEST WIND... WILL YIELD DANGEROUSLY COLD WIND CHILLS OF AROUND MINUS 20 FOR SEVERAL HOURS TODAY AND SATURDAY.
OUCH! |
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| mullysalt |
| Holy S#%T! Maik, good luck against the cold. I know I'm looking forward to enjoying the balmy weather in KC. Last time I was @ Arrowhead(Detroit) they got 6-7 inches of snow the day before the game. It's been frigid here since Tuesday. Stay warm and good luck! |
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| laborlitigator |
| Congrats to the Pats fans. You guys should roll into the Superbowl. Two amazing games! |
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| alwx2 |
| What is going to take for Carolina to get some respect!!! Shut down the Cowboys, held the Rams to field goals early. The offense continues to make big plays when the games on the line. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by alwx2
What is going to take for Carolina to get some respect!!! Shut down the Cowboys, held the Rams to field goals early. The offense continues to make big plays when the games on the line.
Agreed. That interception by Manning was the play of the game. However, if Martz didn't have a brain freeze at the end of regulation (playing for only a field goal) the Panthers could easily be going home.
Kudos to the Panthers. |
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| alwx2 |
Agreed, major mistake. He got conservative a number of times when it mattered most. All though I have to agree with his reasoning, if the Rams had won the toss I really felt like the game was over. The Carolina defense hadn't stopped them in the last 2 drives and had been on the field for a loooong time.
Other if's: Jake doesn't get sacked before the last Carolina field goal attempt in regulation, Kasey kicks a winner and its a 13 pt lead.
If anybody for Carolina notices the play clock an calls timeout on the first attempt in OT Kasey kicks a winner.
Anyway, after the Vikings loss to the Cardinals, I'm convinced its Green Bay's year. They are blessed and on a roll. |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Congrats to the Pats fans. You guys should roll into the Superbowl. Two amazing games!
Sorry to disagree, but a team, at home, that barely squeezes a win against a team that was rusty, that couldn't manage the clock well, that couldn't get plays off on time, is not going to "roll" into the Superbowl. I think they are going to have to do a lot better than they did against the Titans. |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
However, if Martz didn't have a brain freeze at the end of regulation (playing for only a field goal) the Panthers could easily be going home.
Kudos to the Panthers.
Exactly, no guts no glory. Although it looked like both teams were suffering from the same malady of 'fear of passing' during OT. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by greatscot
Sorry to disagree, but a team, at home, that barely squeezes a win against a team that was rusty, that couldn't manage the clock well, that couldn't get plays off on time, is not going to "roll" into the Superbowl. I think they are going to have to do a lot better than they did against the Titans.
Nonsense. First of all, the Titans were hardly "rusty", having played last week. Who couldn't manage the clock? Actually I thought the Titans had more trouble in that area as they were flagged for delay of game several times. I was surprised at how many snaps the Titans got off with only 1 or 2 seconds on the clock. As far as playing better against the next opponent, hogwash. The Titans were arguably the second best AFC team in the playoffs. Far better balanced and coached than either the Colts or the Chiefs.
The only concern I had last night was the conservative defensive calls against the Titans. McNair had far to much time as the Pats did not blitz much until the final two possesions.
All in all, the Pats now have "barely squeezed by" 13 consecutive
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by alwx2
Agreed, major mistake. He got conservative a number of times when it mattered most. All though I have to agree with his reasoning, if the Rams had won the toss I really felt like the game was over. The Carolina defense hadn't stopped them in the last 2 drives and had been on the field for a loooong time.
Other if's: Jake doesn't get sacked before the last Carolina field goal attempt in regulation, Kasey kicks a winner and its a 13 pt lead.
If anybody for Carolina notices the play clock an calls timeout on the first attempt in OT Kasey kicks a winner.
Anyway, after the Vikings loss to the Cardinals, I'm convinced its Green Bay's year. They are blessed and on a roll.
Thing is Martz' team just recovers an onside kick, just scored a touchdown and then move down field with relative ease and what does he do? Plays for a field goal?!:wtf:
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by Maik
Nonsense. First of all, the Titans were hardly "rusty", having played last week. Who couldn't manage the clock? Actually I thought the Titans had more trouble in that area as they were flagged for delay of game several times. I was surprised at how many snaps the Titans got off with only 1 or 2 seconds on the clock. As far as playing better against the next opponent, hogwash. The Titans were arguably the second best AFC team in the playoffs. Far better balanced and coached than either the Colts or the Chiefs.
The only concern I had last night was the conservative defensive calls against the Titans. McNair had far to much time as the Pats did not blitz much until the final two possesions.
All in all, the Pats now have "barely squeezed by" 13 consecutive
opponents.
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I think greatscot may be referring to the general decline in the quality of play and personnel this year in the NFL. The Pats should win the championship pretty much by default. They are a good team playing average ones. The NFL better fix this stupid parity (which is a parody) or they'll lose interest all over the globe. I for one have already become disinterested in seeing substandard teams and play.
For example. I think the Pats of 01 were far superior to this team, as were the Pats of the 70/80's... I can still see Hannah and Gray mowing down defenses, and Clayborn, Haynes, and Co. blanketing receivers. |
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Originally posted by mdxxxx
I think greatscot may be referring to the general decline in the quality of play and personnel this year in the NFL. The Pats should win the championship pretty much by default. They are a good team playing average ones. The NFL better fix this stupid parity (which is a parody) or they'll lose interest all over the globe. I for one have already become disinterested in seeing substandard teams and play.
For example. I think the Pats of 01 were far superior to this team, as were the Pats of the 70/80's... I can still see Hannah and Gray mowing down defenses, and Clayborn, Haynes, and Co. blanketing receivers.
I don't agree. In my opinion, this year's Pats are a better team than 01. They are similar in their ability to make plays at opportune times in crunch time. I do, however, agree that the Pats team of 1976 was the best Pats team of all time. Strength at all positions.
As far as decline in quality of play, I dont think it has been much different than the past several years. Free agency/salary cap has hurt good teams and allowed weak teams to get good fast. Shifting of balance comes quicker than in pre freeagency/salary cap times. Hey, seems to me you were not complaining about the quality of play last season. As fae as popularity is concerned, I think the NFL has done an outstanding job of increasing public interest. The NFL is, right now, enjoying its peak of interest, and is far ahead of each of the other major sports. |
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| laborlitigator |
I agree with MDXXXX that the quality of play has come down over the last decade however, unlike any of the other major sports, ALMOST any team can make the playoffs. This in turn, allows for greater interest in the sport.
In years past, one could pick most of the teams headed to the second season.
NFL should change its initials to NMD - No More Dynasties. |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by Maik
I don't agree. In my opinion, this year's Pats are a better team than 01. . . .
So what? they still had to scratch their way to a home win against the rusty Titans. After seeing Manning and Co. do what they did to the Chiefs today, the Pats better watch out. |
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Are you saying that there is a correlation between allowing a dynasty to continue and "overall" quality of play?
How can you judge the "overall" quality of play?
There are still some great teams, there are still great plays made every week, there are lots of close (competative) games and there are still great players that would likely have been great in any era.
The 1985 Bears were one of the best teams I have ever seen, yet it only lasted one year, so no dynasty.
As a practicle matter, I would strongly argue that the "overall" quality of play has actually gotten better as a result of more spreading of the wealth of talent. |
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Originally posted by greatscot
So what? they still had to scratch their way to a home win against the rusty Titans. After seeing Manning and Co. do what they did to the Chiefs today, the Pats better watch out.
Why were the Titans "rusty"? I dont understand your logic. Should they be ashamed or embarrased to win a close game against the Titans at home? Close wins has been their hallmark this season.
As far as seeing Manning eat the 19th rated defense in 50 degree weather, so what. It will be a classic strugle between offense and defense next week. And, the Colts defense did not exactly look good today. |
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| laborlitigator |
They haven't had to punt for 2 playoff games. . . they looked scary against the Chiefs (sorry Mully, but your D was manhandled).
One thing I'm sure of next week against the Pats. . . they'll have to punt the ball.:2: |
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Originally posted by Maik
Why were the Titans "rusty"? I dont understand your logic. Should they be ashamed or embarrased to win a close game against the Titans at home? Close wins has been their hallmark this season.
As far as seeing Manning eat the 19th rated defense in 50 degree weather, so what. It will be a classic strugle between offense and defense next week. And, the Colts defense did not exactly look good today.
OK! Its just MO that the Titans could have, should have, but didn't play better than they did. Like I said earlier, they usually play a lot better, but I think the week off was a detriment in their case.
1. McNair caused a lot of mistakes when he got caught on several key plays snapping the ball after the play clock had run down.
2. Tenn. lost control of clock management when timeouts could have helped instead they penalised themselves.
Should the Pats be embarrassed? No, its just I thought they would have won a lot easier than they did because:
1. Home field advantage
2. They never really capitalised on the Titans problems
LL said they should "roll" into the Superbowl, I disagreed because of my points mentioned here. Then today, the Colts, while only winning by one TD, still won, away from home, in front of a hostile crowd, and did it with precision. To me, that sets up an exciting game for next week. One team (Pats) barely wins at home, the other team (Colts) wins its second away playoff game, I pick the Colts for next week. |
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Originally posted by Maik
Are you saying that there is a correlation between allowing a dynasty to continue and "overall" quality of play?
How can you judge the "overall" quality of play?...As a practicle matter, I would strongly argue that the "overall" quality of play has actually gotten better as a result of more spreading of the wealth of talent.
1. Yes, I say that there is a correlation.
2. I disagree. Too many new teams have diluted the talent pool, free agency, and salary cap economics have created a void in management's ability to obtain, retain, and maintain a core of a team. This situation creates instability, and overall decline in long term team chemistry. I doubt we'll ever see entire units consiting of Hall of Fame caliber players. I mean come on, you have to see that... Anytime when you know that a team only has a 3-4 year window to realistically win a championship, before other teams rape your team's personnel, coaching, and front office talent, by design??? Major flaws.... |
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| keremoner |
| true that Pats ' defense played less than outstanding but in -15 F windchill it was understandable. However, what you fail to see is that Pats do not run up the score unlike the Chiefs. The philosophy of the team is to win without showing up other teams. Have no doubt that if Titans could have scored 24 points, Pats would have managed 27 pts. Anyway, that point will become apparent to you next Sunday when Indy rolls in to town. |
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Originally posted by greatscot
OK! Its just MO that the Titans could have, should have, but didn't play better than they did. Like I said earlier, they usually play a lot better... To me, that sets up an exciting game for next week. One team (Pats) barely wins at home, the other team (Colts) wins its second away playoff game, I pick the Colts for next week.
greatscot,
You're almost right... actually the Titans decline started last month, right before McNair got injured. I saw at that time that they were not going to win it. As with Tampa, Oakland, Jets, Giants, 49ers. Pittsburgh, and Philly, the better teams of last year have declined significantly. I'ts not even close. |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by keremoner
true that Pats ' defense played less than outstanding but in -15 F windchill it was understandable. However, what you fail to see is that Pats do not run up the score unlike the Chiefs. The philosophy of the team is to win without showing up other teams. Have no doubt that if Titans could have scored 24 points, Pats would have managed 27 pts. . . .
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