| laborlitigator |
From afar the game does look like a blowout. Right now the line is 6.5 which is pretty significant.
It should be interesting to see which teams defense is better. Carolina absolutely beat the crap out of the Eagles receivers while the Pats baffled the Peyton all day. Therefore, it might come down to the Pats short passing v. the Panthers running game. |
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| m2pc |
Can you start this as a poll?
I wouldn't expect this to be a blowout. Carolina is playing good football and they are as hungry for the title as NE.
Its going to be a good game........ |
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| mullysalt |
| which was a poll as well? I dunno? Hard to figure what runs through LL's head. The legal one and yours truly suprisingly don't agree on the Super Bowl but I posted my thoughts on the SB in the thread called NFL Playoffs. |
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| m2pc |
| True that was a poll with all the teams to pick from. With two left, was wondering how people will pick. Just curious. |
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| mullysalt |
| That was before yesterday's game. I doubt many people will jump on their bandwagon but I expect them to cover and make it a low scoring, very physical game. |
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| keremoner |
| I will take NE even with 7 points. Season, including the preseason games, is 25 weeks old and some still need convincing I guess. |
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| m2pc |
| I'll take NE as well, but I think its going to be a close one. |
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| Maik |
My original picks were Pats vs Philly.
I actually think that The Panthers will put up a better game than the Eagles would have. Carolina reminds me of the 2001 Pats, and as such are dangerous.
I like the Pats in a close, defensive game. |
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| laborlitigator |
| I'm taking the NFC team and the 7 points. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
I'm taking the NFC team and the 7 points.
Spoken like a true New Yorker! |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Spoken like a true New Yorker!
Seven is just too much. This could be like a 17-14 game.
One thing you have to remember is that the Pats were in the red zone (or close to it) seven times against the Colts and just walked away with 1 touchdown. The Panthers on the otherhand do not seem able to pass the ball. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Seven is just too much. This could be like a 17-14 game.
One thing you have to remember is that the Pats were in the red zone (or close to it) seven times against the Colts and just walked away with 1 touchdown. The Panthers on the otherhand do not seem able to pass the ball.
So, you think the Panthers offense will score the same number of points that the Titans and Colts each scored? They were led by MVP QB's. I just do not see it. The Pats offense may not be explosive, but they score points when they need to. Dont count on the Panther's defense to score, the Pats offense simply does not make those mistakes.
I see a 20-6 type of game. |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by Maik
..I see a 20-6 type of game.
Almost... More like 28-3, Pats... |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by mdxxxx
Almost... More like 28-3, Pats...
Such precision!
Interesting Super Bowl factoid... first time participants are 6-16 in the Super Bowl, including the Packers, who won the first one. |
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| laborlitigator |
| Line is down to 6.5. . . looks like betting afficiondos are thinking the game will be closer than predicted. |
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| mullysalt |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Line is down to 6.5. . . looks like betting aficionados are thinking the game will be closer than predicted.
Most of the early money has come in on Carolina. In this game field goals will be like touchdowns. These two teams have several similarities and it should prove to be a good game for those who like good D and solid running attacks. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Line is down to 6.5. . . looks like betting afficiondos are thinking the game will be closer than predicted.
If you look throughout history, Super Bowls tend to be blow outs. Only 11 of the past 37 SBs were decided by less than 10 pts . . . including last year when the gen'l public thought that Tampa's O couldn't score and their D would slow down Oakland, predicting a close low scoring game . . .
I say NE 31, Car 13 - NE covers and game goes over . . . :4: |
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| keremoner |
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Originally posted by socalJD
If you look throughout history, Super Bowls tend to be blow outs. Only 11 of the past 37 SBs were decided by less than 10 pts . . . including last year when the gen'l public thought that Tampa's O couldn't score and their D would slow down Oakland, predicting a close low scoring game . . .
I say NE 31, Car 13 - NE covers and game goes over . . . :4:
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| Maik |
Wow...seemed like these last two weeks have lasted two months!
48 hours to gametime! |
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| mullysalt |
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Originally posted by Maik
Wow...seemed like these last two weeks have lasted two months!
48 hours to gametime!
I can only imagine the agony of waiting two weeks to see your team play in the Super Bowl.:rolleyes:
Relax and enjoy it Maik, you've paid the dues being a Pats fan/season ticket holder over the years. This is your time to sit back, smile and enjoy the ride.
The Pats are on the verge of putting their stamp on NFL history. They'll take care of business Sunday in their normal fashion.
Rmember Maik, relax and enjoy!
Go Pats, defend the honor of the AFC!
P.S.-"Sixty-five toss power trap! Watch this one boys!"-Hank Stram, HOF, head coach of the Super Bowl IV Champion Kansas City Chiefs. That was over a year before I was born. Enjoy it Maik! |
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| Nanagirl |
| I'm with LL, I like the underdog. |
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| ace3 |
| Are you also from New York? |
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| Maik |
15 in a row...Ya baby!!!
A team for the ages. |
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| laborlitigator |
| An unbelievable game! Congrats to all the Pats fans. |
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| Mando |
Agreed!
AWESOME game! |
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| keremoner |
| It was a truly great game. Scored 0 pts in first 26+ minutes and 61 pts in the remaining 33+ minutes. My hat is off to Carolina. A great team. However, Pats proved once again their superiority due to disciplin and great coaching. Can't wait till the season starts again. |
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| bomo |
| I am a 9er fan and after this sad season I wasn't that interested in watching the game until a friend asked me over to watch on his new HDTV. Great game, one of the best for me in recent memory and great in hi def too. |
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| greatscot |
| Best Superbowl in a long time. Congrats to the Pats. |
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| evoge |
| So who's got a clip of Janet Jackson's finest moment. I left when Justin Timberlake came on stage. :3: |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by evoge
So who's got a clip of Janet Jackson's finest moment. I left when Justin Timberlake came on stage. :3:
Yeah, can someone please post that. . . |
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| keremoner |
| What gets me is that there are so many doubters still. Pats' 15 game streak (and 22 out of 24 including pre-season) is a huge accomplishment. The '72 Dolphins had a very easy schedule, and during the days before free agency at that! This is the best, most balanced team ever in NFL history. It is sad that some still yearn for yesteryears when there were dominant teams and little competition. This is what America is all about - competition. Also, it makes winning more difficult and the games more suspenseful. JMHO.;) |
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| mullysalt |
My Supa Bowl prediction was half right:Brady and Vientari were the difference along with Fox's decision to go for two @ 21-16. I remember Phil Simmms saying, "I wouldn't go for two here, I'd just kick the extra point." Turns out he was right, I guess I shouldn't make fun of a guy who went 22-25 in the Supa Bowl.
Still though, it was a very entertaining game with two very good teams. Congrats to the Pats and Cats, thanks for entertaining the world.:p
P.S.-How cool was the NFL Network's-"The Sun Will Come Out Tomorrow" montage of NFL players and Jones and Parcells. Did ya catch Dante and Priest in the backyard having a cookout during the aforementioned commercial. How 'bout Sapp in the bunker? Good stuff. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| It was a very good game; exciting and down to the wire.:1: |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
My Supa Bowl prediction was half right:Brady and Vientari were the difference along with Fox's decision to go for two @ 21-16. I remember Phil Simmms saying, "I wouldn't go for two here, I'd just kick the extra point." Turns out he was right, I guess I shouldn't make fun of a guy who went 22-25 in the Supa Bowl.
Still though, it was a very entertaining game with two very good teams. Congrats to the Pats and Cats, thanks for entertaining the world.:p
P.S.-How cool was the NFL Network's-"The Sun Will Come Out Tomorrow" montage of NFL players and Jones and Parcells. Did ya catch Dante and Priest in the backyard having a cookout during the aforementioned commercial. How 'bout Sapp in the bunker? Good stuff.
Mully,
I absolutely agree. If he kicks the extra point, he's down 21-17. Then they score again to make it 24-21. So New England Goes scores back for 28-24. Finally, Carolina gets the final touchdown for a 31-28 lead. Then the Pats last drive is to tie and not for the win.
Goes to show you that 2 point conversions should not be sought after unless you're under 5 minutes. Fox did this with 12 minutes left in the game. He probably cost his team their chance in OT. |
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| Maik |
The unheralded bunch that took the Pats to the Championship...
The offensive line that Sapp said could not block his mother.
No sacks given up in the playoffs, and a rushing game that appeared at the right time.
Amazing game, both teams made the right offensive changes at halftime that the defenses were not able to counter. Pats D gave up their first three big plays of the season!
If it had made it to OT, I do think that the first team to go on offense would win.
Having won 15 straight puts this team near the top of the list of alltime great teams. Right up with the 1985 Bears, 1972 Dolphins.
They were 10-0 against teams that ultimately won 10 or more games.
Already cant wait til training camp! |
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| socalJD |
A lot of Pat's fans are rejoicing with their team's narrow win, but the final line in Vegas was NE -7, so there must be a lot of disappointed bettors out there seeing that the Pats didn't cover . . .
It's interesting to note that the media is already comparing Brady to some of NFL's immortal QBs: Montana, Elway, Aikmen, Starr - time will tell but at this point these comparisons are premature. Brady did throw a red zone interception that ended up being a 9 pt turnaround (potential NE FG and ensuing Car TD) and changed the complexion of the game.
Another interesting note is why the Pats didn't challenge the incomplete call in the endzone - replays clearly showed that the receiver had both feet in and possession of the ball - definitely a TD. The point became moot when Smith scored on a run on the very next play, but why risk a possible fumble, penalty, sack, etc when the guys upstairs should have told Belichick to challenge.
One last thing, it has already been mentioned that Fox had a brain fart when he chose to go for a 2pt conversion so early in the 4th qtr, but let's not forget his ill advised challenge of the spotting of the ball when NE appeared to have made a first down on 3rd and 1 on the Carolina 40. Strategically it only cost him an expendable timeout in the 1st half, but more importantly it cost him 1 of only 2 challenges for the whole game. In the biggest game of the NFL season, Fox showed his lack of big-game experience and the coaching edge clearly belonged to Belichick and NE. |
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| MDteX |
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Originally posted by socalJD
A lot of Pat's fans are rejoicing with their team's narrow win, but the final line in Vegas was NE -7, so there must be a lot of disappointed bettors out there seeing that the Pats didn't cover . . .
It's interesting to note that the media is already comparing Brady to some of NFL's immortal QBs: Montana, Elway, Aikmen, Starr - time will tell but at this point these comparisons are premature. Brady did throw a red zone interception that ended up being a 9 pt turnaround (potential NE FG and ensuing Car TD) and changed the complexion of the game.
Another interesting note is why the Pats didn't challenge the incomplete call in the endzone - replays clearly showed that the receiver had both feet in and possession of the ball - definitely a TD. The point became moot when Smith scored on a run on the very next play, but why risk a possible fumble, penalty, sack, etc when the guys upstairs should have told Belichick to challenge.
One last thing, it has already been mentioned that Fox had a brain fart when he chose to go for a 2pt conversion so early in the 4th qtr, but let's not forget his ill advised challenge of the spotting of the ball when NE appeared to have made a first down on 3rd and 1 on the Carolina 40. Strategically it only cost him an expendable timeout in the 1st half, but more importantly it cost him 1 of only 2 challenges for the whole game. In the biggest game of the NFL season, Fox showed his lack of big-game experience and the coaching edge clearly belonged to Belichick and NE.
It is ill advised to compare him to those proven QBs you listed. It will take several more seasons to see if it was a short lived fame.
As for your others points, I guess we saw a different game. The NE receiver knee clearly came down OB so it was not a catch. As you stated it didn't end up making a difference.
The call I think the refs blew was the spot of the ball. The runner was stopped at least a yard shy of the first down. The replay showed it but the refs couldn't see it. No one at my super bowl party could believe that ruling or that it wasn't overturned. That was the only one that seemed to have unanimous support here.
Overall the game was ruled evenly with no blatant missed calls. This game was kinda strange around here since no one was pulling for either team, but instead just watching. It just isn't a super bowl without the Cowboys.
I guess the breast, I mean best, team one. :2: |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by MDteX
It is ill advised to compare him to those proven QBs you listed. It will take several more seasons to see if it was a short lived fame.
I think you've got to give him more credit. He's already won as many Superbowls as Marino, Kelly and Elway combined. He's no Mark Rypien. |
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| Maik |
| Of course you can not compare Brady's 4 year carreer to the full carreer of any of the great qb's. However, after 3 years, no qb has accomplished as much as Brady has. His overall winning pct, he is unbeaten in overtime games and playoff games and two Super Bowl MVP's all in his first 4 years (3 years of playing) certainly put him in rare company. |
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| mullysalt |
Super Bowl MVP's
J. Montana 3
T. Bradshaw 2
B. Starr 2
T. Brady 2 and counting........
What more does anyone want?
P.S.-He was undefeated in college bowl games, too. M GO BLUE! |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by Maik
Of course you can not compare Brady's 4 year carreer to the full carreer of any of the great qb's. However, after 3 years, no qb has accomplished as much as Brady has. His overall winning pct, he is unbeaten in overtime games and playoff games and two Super Bowl MVP's all in his first 4 years (3 years of playing) certainly put him in rare company.
Good points, seems like they only become classified as "great" after they leave the game. Brady has shown he has the "stuff". Also, if I'm correct, wasn't he a back-up at NE to Bledsoe? If that's the case, then he has really come a long way in a short time.
Let's not forget the other QB from Sunday, I thought he showed some moments of fortitude, all the way from a back-up in the World League.
Just an excellent game all around, one I would watch on ESPN Classic for some time. |
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| keremoner |
| I believe that some are missing the point. Of course, Brady has been a starter for less than 3 seasons and his carrer is at its beginning stages. Montana, on the other hand, played a long and great career. Those who liken him to Montana aren't saying that Brady's accomplishments have eclipsed those of Joe. They are simply pointing out that he is as cool and intelligent as Montana as a QB. It is undisputable that no other QB has accomplished so much in so short a time at the beginning of their career. Not even Montana. Time will tell how great Brady will become. I'd say, going by his accomplishments over the past three years, he will on day be remembered as being just as great as Montana (who in my book was the greatest QB to play the game). |
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| msu79gt82 |
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colu...2-oconnor_x.htm
Excerpt: All we know right now is this: "Absolutely, without question, Janet Jackson has totally upstaged the winners of the Super Bowl," Thompson said.
It only took a second to create an uncomfortable memory to last a lifetime. What a crying shame. Brady sure looked like Joe Montana, Vinatieri sure looked like a clutch kicker for the ages and Belichick sure looked every bit as smart as Big Bill Parcells.
But around the water coolers and across the airwaves Monday, all anyone cared to talk about was Janet and Justin, Justin and Janet. One of the most dramatic Super Bowls ever was lost to a staged, bottom-feeding moment: The defender went for the strip, and the diva lost the fumble.
A male streaker posing as a referee slapped on the fitting punctuation mark. Life imitates art, even the degrading kind offered up to football fans. The NFL shouldn't bother acting shocked over that. |
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