| msu79gt82 |
| I have noticed that the new wide BSM can be "pointed" UP or DOWN; and indeed both ways are out there. Back in December when I was researching color choices I copied some photos off this website, but I can't remember which threads (a quick search didn't help). In any event the next two posts show the UP vs. DOWN choices - which do you prefer. See photo of choices in next two posts |
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| msu79gt82 |
| BSM pointing UP |
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| msu79gt82 |
| BSM Pointing DOWN |
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| ByeByeChrysler |
| pointing UP looks more correct |
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| msu79gt82 |
| UP matches the wheel wells and DOWN has a sleek arrow look. The wife prefers UP, so I'm sure thats what it'll be when they come in:1: |
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| Warzau |
| Ditto add me to pointing up looks better. |
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| DaleB |
| Definitely up, it is consistent with the line of the wheel arches. |
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| mdxxxx |
quote:
Originally posted by DaleB
Definitely up, it is consistent with the line of the wheel arches.
What he said! :4: |
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| msu79gt82 |
| I tend to agree with up; but in addition to the pictures on our own .org I've also seen them on the lot pointing down, and Escaper has a thread that observes that some people are getting the sides mixed up. Interesting - to each his own I guess. |
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| EXCALIBUR |
| I'd have to go with Shania Twain - Up!:29: |
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| dguthmann |
quote:
Originally posted by msu79gt82
I tend to agree with up; but in addition to the pictures on our own .org I've also seen them on the lot pointing down, and Escaper has a thread that observes that some people are getting the sides mixed up. Interesting - to each his own I guess.
Ok, curiosity got the best of me. I pulled out my wide BSMs that I'm hoping to install in the spring.
If you look at them closely, they are not bevelled equally on the top edge and the bottom edge. So, if you want to keep the bevelled edge the same down the entire side of your X, there's only one way to install them, and that's with the front pointing down, not up. You could install them with the front pointing up, but then the back would have to point down which wouldn't look good at all.
Anyone that has the BSM's, have a look and you'll see what I mean. As long as you keep the two "R" pieces together and the two "L" pieces together, you should be fine. |
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| bspahn |
If you go by the letters stamped on the back of the moldings, then the front molding should point down and the back molding should point up (I installed them today). Of course, there doesn't seem to be any problem doing it the other way or changing their vertical position as one member mentioned he did.
Bill
Edit: It looks like dguthmann beat me to posting about the letters stamped on the back... |
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| 4HICKSMDX |
| oops take 1 off the down, cuz I prefer up! My bad! |
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| msu79gt82 |
| I'll have to take a close look when they come in, but the photos clearly show the beveled edge to be sitting high (on the top edge) in both the UP and the DOWN options. |
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| tax_atty |
| As much as I LOVE Shania, my moldings (which were installed by the dealer) point down. |
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| EXCALIBUR |
quote:
Originally posted by tax_atty
As much as I LOVE Shania, my moldings (which were installed by the dealer) point down.
On second thought, I think you are right. It should be down.:28: |
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| greatscot |
| :28: I'm down on BSM's, don't like them at all. :28: |
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| hopeitsfriday |
| I agree with greatscot, I dont like BSM either, door dings are much more attractive. |
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| MDteX |
| It will be interesting to see which way the dealer installs them on my new MDX when it arrives. |
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| laborlitigator |
| Either one looks fine. |
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| vlam |
<< It will be interesting to see which way the dealer installs them on my new MDX when it arrives.>>
Which way do you prefer? If you say up, then I suggest you call the dealer and ask them to specifically install them up. I had mine installed by the deal (the silver example.) and they installed down. I agree that either way looks fine but the dealer is not going to install them the other way unless you tell them to. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by MDteX
It will be interesting to see which way the dealer installs them on my new MDX when it arrives.
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| msu79gt82 |
... 2 to 1 UP than it was earlier. As has been said many times on the .org "to each X'er their own":1:
As a reminder to those first coming to this thread on the second page: See the page 1 pictures before voting. |
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| vlam |
dguthmann: You got me curious too and in thinking about it more the bevelled edge will not be the same between the front and rear piece with the BSM on that Blue MDX.
Here is a close up of the BSM pointing down. |
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| dguthmann |
quote:
Originally posted by vlam
dguthmann: You got me curious too and in thinking about it more the bevelled edge will not be the same between the front and rear piece with the BSM on that Blue MDX.
Here is a close up of the BSM pointing down.
Vlam, glad someone else agrees. I think this poll is misleading and may give someone the impression they can install them either way. There have been a few posts saying to do it whatever way you want, but I think you'll regret it. BTW, I prefer the look with the BSM pointing up at the front like most people, but it's definately not correct. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by dguthmann
I think this poll is misleading and may give someone the impression they can install them either way. There have been a few posts saying to do it whatever way you want, but I think you'll regret it. BTW, I prefer the look with the BSM pointing up at the front like most people, but it's definately not correct.
I started this poll for two reasons; 1) to gather opinions - I have seen both options, and 2) to find out "which" is correct - because I did not know.
By the way, most of the MDXs on the dealers lot that I have seen with BSM were pointed UP!! So the dealerships must be installing them wrong. Also the beveled edge appears to be exactly the same on UP installations that I have seen. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by vlam
... in thinking about it more the bevelled edge will not be the same between the front and rear piece with the BSM on that Blue MDX.
The BSMs that I have seen on dealerships lots were pointing UP and the beveled edge looked fine to me? Can someone post a picture like the one above? Thanks.
As for me, mine are on order - I'll wait til they get here and decide. |
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| dguthmann |
quote:
Originally posted by msu79gt82
The BSMs that I have seen on dealerships lots were pointing UP and the beveled edge looked fine to me? Can someone post a picture like the one above? Thanks.
Interesting! Perhaps there is more than one style? Do you recall if the rear was also pointing up? |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by dguthmann
Interesting! Perhaps there is more than one style? Do you recall if the rear was also pointing up?
Yes rear was UP also (my thought at the dealership was that this was correct since it matched the wheel wells). I first found out about the "choice" back in December when I was looking through the Gallery and saw the photos above. The thread with the Silver MDX was asking the very same question as this poll (hence the blue box). My Search to find that thread was unsuccessful. As for styles. I think there is only one. Perhaps Tim knows. |
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| dguthmann |
msu79gt82, have a peek at the following picture. It's a close up of that Blue X I found in another thread. Sorry, I'm not too sure how to reference other threads.
http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/atta...=&postid=188105
If you look at the top side of the moulding the amount of white (reflection) in the back moulding is thicker than the front moulding. Granted, it's still not conclusive, but it looks like the front piece is upside down. Maybe someone will post a better picture.
At any rate I won't be installing mine until spring anyways (It's far to cold around here.), but I'm happy that this thread has made me aware of the issues. Good luck with yours! |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by dguthmann
Sorry, I'm not too sure how to reference other threads.
Simply Right click on the thread link and Copy Shortcut - then past that shortcut in your Reply. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by dguthmann
If you look at the top side of the moulding the amount of white (reflection) in the back moulding is thicker than the front moulding. Granted, it's still not conclusive, but it looks like the front piece is upside down. Maybe someone will post a better picture.
I too am puzzled by how the bevel will match up between the two "options" - I guess I'll have to wait until they get here. Could the factory be issuing two kinds?? Tim???
In any event when I install mine the Beveled edge willl be UP and they WILL match. |
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| msu79gt82 |
Questions for Tim:
1) Is Acura releasing the wide BSM in two formats? Is there a set that points "UP" and another set that points "DOWN"? Even if unintentional?
2) If the answer to the first question is no; can the two front sides be interchanged, which apparently is being done? When interchanged does the asymmetrical bevel still line up?
I suppose another consideration is are all parts labeled with an R and L? Could early shipments have not labeled the parts? |
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| KenF |
| I think there is only one format. The problem is that the R and the L are so faint that you really have to work to see them on the back. If you happen to miss them, or put them on without doing any research, you end up with them pointed the other way. I did a self-install and happened to see a similar thread before I did it, so I got them on the correct way. |
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| davegood |
Glad I was able to stir up some controversy....
I didn't intend to start a big conversation, but it is an interesting discussion (it's my blue MDX in the photo). I honestly couldn't see the L and R on the back, so I played around with it both ways. In the end, I decided I liked the up look better, for the reasons mentioned. I do know that there is only the one style available. One other thing, I'm pretty observant, and have not detected any increase 'bevel thickness' between the top and bottom edges of the BSMs. If it's there, it very slight, and does not stand out.
Keep the debate up....
I think it comes down to personal preference.... |
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| ssMDX |
Got to check mine later...
Since we talk about BSM here, few weeks ago I found my BSM front edges have gaps. Both sides don't "glue" to door well and leave about 1/6 to 1/4 inch gaps at the front. Is this common or should I have dealer fix it? Thanks. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| Scanned from the MDX page of Acura's 2004 Accessory Guide picked up at the dealership |
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| msu79gt82 |
| They had three on the lot with BSM and all were pointing DOWN. They are asymmetric in cross section, although only slightly. I can see how you may be able to "get away" with pointing them UP, however the bevels will not match EXACTLY when doing so. |
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| davegood |
I am SURE that pointing down is technically correct, but:
1. Pointing up also looks good, and the bevel difference is not overly apparent.
2. I wouldn't bother changing it now.
3. I think that if I installed another set today, I would do it the same way....
Just my opinion... |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by davegood
1. Pointing up also looks good, and the bevel difference is not overly apparent.
3. I think that if I installed another set today, I would do it the same way....
Current tally is 21-9 in favor of the "incorrect" UP position (even allowing for two vote changes its 19-11). Clearly the majority (2-1 ratio) opinion is that flowing with the wheel wells looks better.
PS: Another reminder, to those new to this thread, to view the photos on p. 1 before voting. Thanks. |
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| hopeitsfriday |
| Pointing up matches the line of the front wheel well better, the front edge is parallel to the front wheel well's lines. |
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| RonH |
| UP. Finally got to see a set on a RR X in Houston and I like them. |
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| DaleB |
| Good thing I'm not a major betting man, I would have bet this thread would have died after a dozen posts. :4: |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by DaleB
Good thing I'm not a major betting man, I would have bet this thread would have died after a dozen posts. :4:
I think a reason there is interst is because clearly it was designed to point DOWN, yet the overwhelming majority of owners prefer it to point UP. The fact that you can "get away" with UP in a somewhat intriguing option. As I said I'll wait until they are in my hands to decide. |
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| DaleB |
quote:
Originally posted by msu79gt82
I think a reason there is interst is because clearly it was designed to point DOWN, yet the overwhelming majority of owners prefer it to point UP. The fact that you can "get away" with UP in a somewhat intriguing option. As I said I'll wait until they are in my hands to decide.
Yeah. understand..sort of...but like it's only 2 choices, guys! |
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| MDteX |
| Since most think either way looks OK and the BSM is not strongly beveled either way then it probably doesn't matter. The dealer will be installing them on mine when it arrives. So far I haven't decided which way I like best. :confused: It so trivial, you get proteced either way. I'm more concerned (and pissed) that the radio does not support RDS. :3: |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by DaleB
Yeah. understand..sort of...but like it's only 2 choices, guys!
Only like 2 choices - yes flares or not, FSS or not, spoiler or not, ... its always 2 choices --- SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME WHAT TO DO:eek: :rolleyes: ;)
Thats what this place is all about; talking about our X's:1: As for me I started the poll in an attempt to find out the "correct" installation and we did get that done.:cool:
PS: Another reminder, to those new to this thread, to view the photos on p. 1 before voting. Thanks. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by MDteX
The dealer will be installing them on mine when it arrives. So far I haven't decided which way I like best. :confused:
If you prefer them UP and don't mind the slight asymmetry then you'd better advise your dealer because more than likely they will install then correctly which is DOWN. |
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| packmule |
| I like them pointing down, however I like the look on MSU79gt82 because by pointing up they match the lines on the leading edge of the running boards and I think that really works. Just my opinion |
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| msu79gt82 |
| My '04 does not yet have BSM (I'll order from Tim on Monday along with steps). The p.1 photos are from other members cars I used for illustration purposes. |
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| mdxgm |
Seems like alot of comments regarding this simple issue. The correct way is as you call it "pointing down". This is the way it is shown on the MDX accessory brochure, the way markings "R" and "L" will put it when installed, and the only way it looks right because of the non-symmetry of the moulding. See the attached photo of the profiles (inset photo is the front door BSM). I can almost guaratee that you will not be happy if the moulding on the front door is installed upside down relative to the moulding on the back door.
Besides, a Trailblazer has its BSM pointing up, and who wants to look like a Trailblazer? |
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| EXCALIBUR |
mdxgm,
Thank you for the up close and personal pics of the BSM's. It really should be "down.":28: |
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| msu79gt82 |
... however they have been insalled UP and people do like them (as attested to by the poll results). Also a scan of Acura's product catalog is on the previous page!
quote:
Originally posted by mdxgm
Seems like alot of comments regarding this simple issue. The correct way is as you call it "pointing down". ... I can almost guaratee that you will not be happy if the moulding on the front door is installed upside down relative to the moulding on the back door.
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| hopeitsfriday |
| If you install them up, you can switch the left and right back door molding to match the bevel edge as well. I look around at other car's side moldings today. Of all the cars that has a point at the front door molding. All of them were pointed up. So, therefore pointed up is correct, Acura screw up on this one. |
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| DaleB |
| I see you guys have covered pretty much every possible orientation of the BSMs...thank goodness you've kept them horizontal! |
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| msu79gt82 |
... and there are all kinds out there; I see just as many UP as DOWN. Most thin moldings come to an arrow style symmetric point (no up or down). It is wide moldings that vary; I've seen them point UP, Down and SQUARE (no point). Hard to say Acura messed up, but most people do seem to prefer them UP.
quote:
Originally posted by hopeitsfriday
I look around at other car's side moldings today. Of all the cars that has a point at the front door molding. All of them were pointed up. So, therefore pointed up is correct, Acura screw up on this one.
Saw one Toyota product pointed DOWN and another one pointed UP yesterday. |
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| ownaccord |
I have my BSM's waiting to be installed once the weather gets warmer. I was glad to see this thread since originally I was going to follow the instructions... which positions them down.
I will be putting them on facing "up". |
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| greatscot |
quote:
Originally posted by DaleB
I see you guys have covered pretty much every possible orientation of the BSMs...thank goodness you've kept them horizontal!
Hmmm, good observation. Have you seen the new "retro" Chevy Nomad with its rear BSM's in the vertical position? |
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| mdxgm |
quote:
Originally posted by ownaccord
I have my BSM's waiting to be installed once the weather gets warmer. I was glad to see this thread since originally I was going to follow the instructions... which positions them down.
I will be putting them on facing "up".
Are you going to switch the rears as well? If you do, the rears will be pointing down which will will also look "not quite right". If you don't, the symmetry of the moldings will will not match (and the difference in the highlighting of the molding will be noticed when viewing at an angle). Do yourself a favour and install them the way they were meant to be installed. You will have no problems and as a bonus, they look GREAT! |
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| tax_atty |
quote:
Originally posted by hopeitsfriday
I look around at other car's side moldings today. Of all the cars that has a point at the front door molding. All of them were pointed up. So, therefore pointed up is correct, Acura screw up on this one.
Acura screw up??? Give me a break - if other manufacturers do something one way doesn't mean that's how it has to be. Frankly I like the moldings pointed down. Apparently, Acura's designers felt that way too. Different strokes for different folks. |
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| msu79gt82 |
Pulled up beside a Burnished Bronze (first I've ever seen on the road) at a stop light on the way home with BSM installed correctly (DOWN). I thought it looked good. By the way the latest poll count has UP killing the DOWN look.
PS: I ordered from Tim this morning - scheduled delivery date is the 7th:cool: |
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| pingwrx |
| I had mine installed at the dealer and they put them down. I've seen two other MDXs with BSM and they were all pointing down. |
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| msu79gt82 |
Pointed the front edges DOWN; I was not at all happy with the way the bevels lined up in a potential UP install.
PS: the tape was very thin and allowed a very snug install with flush fit all the way around for the most part.:cool: :1: |
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| msu79gt82 |
Allowing for two changed votes (see posts by 4HICKSMDX and EXCALIBER) the current total (as of 2/9 3:00 CST) is 4:1 in favor of the incorrect UP position (35 UP to 12 DOWN).
PS: Another reminder, to those new to this thread, to view the photos on p. 1 before voting. Thanks. |
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| vlam |
It would be very interesting to find out how many of the 35 people who voted for the UP have their BSM installed that way or do they even have BSM at all? Here is another thought? Would you throw a fit if you went to pick up your new MDX and find that the BSM was installed pointing UP?
While it's definitely a personal preference to have it install either way. Will one actually choose the UP when it's on their own car knowing that it does not match? |
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| hopeitsfriday |
| I am just the opposite, I think I would throw a fit if I went to pick up my new MDX and find that the BSM was installed pointing down without asking me. |
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| tax_atty |
| hopeitsfriday - Hate to tell you this, but unless you tell your dealer otherwise, they are going to install it with the point down. That's because there is only one proper way to install them - down! Although you can reverse the moldings to point them up in the front they were not designed to go that way, and as noted above the edges will not line up properly that way. |
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| EXCALIBUR |
quote:
Originally posted by tax_atty
hopeitsfriday - Hate to tell you this, but unless you tell your dealer otherwise, they are going to install it with the point down. That's because there is only one proper way to install them - down! Although you can reverse the moldings to point them up in the front they were not designed to go that way, and as noted above the edges will not line up properly that way.
What he said.:4: |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by hopeitsfriday
I am just the opposite, I think I would throw a fit if I went to pick up my new MDX and find that the BSM was installed pointing down without asking me.
As the other guys said, and has been pointed out before, the molding pieces are labeled with "R" and "L" imprints on the back of each piece. The pieces are clearly asymmetric when examined closely as my diagram and as mdxgm's photo shows. However apparently one can "get away" with an incorrect UP orientation as others have done as the photo on P. 1 shows (while the asymmetry may not be noticable from a distance, it will be up close).
If you strongly prefer the incorrect UP then I recommend ordering from Tim and doing it yourself; or if you are getting a dealer install be sure and inform them prior to arrival. The dealer will surely NOT ask you to do an incorrect install. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| This has been a fascinating study with very unexpected results. As I stated earlier, UP matches the wheel wells while DOWN provides a sleek arrow look. At first I preferred UP (not knowing which way it was designed to go), however the sleek arrow style looks great on my Sagebrush Pearl :cool: :1: |
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| EXCALIBUR |
quote:
Originally posted by msu79gt82
This has been a fascinating study with very unexpected results. As I stated earlier, UP matches the wheel wells while DOWN provides a sleek arrow look. At first I preferred UP (not knowing which way it was designed to go), however the sleek arrow style looks great on my Sagebrush Pearl :cool: :1:
GMTA:29: |
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| hopeitsfriday |
tax_atty
Thats why you switch the back moldings too. On my way home today from work. I must have look at a 150 cars, 99.9% of them with directional moldings were points up. It just looks so much more symetrical. |
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| vlam |
"Thats why you switch the back moldings too. On my way home today from work. I must have look at a 150 cars, 99.9% of them with directional moldings were points up. It just looks so much more symetrical.
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If you did that, the back will not look symetrical. One can give the same argument that pointing down in the back will look "awkward" |
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| srpbep |
| Interesting read -- my head hurts |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by hopeitsfriday
Thats why you switch the back moldings too. On my way home today from work. I must have look at a 150 cars, 99.9% of them with directional moldings were points up. It just looks so much more symetrical.
The 4 parts are marked with an "R" and and "L" - two each of course. If you install them the correct way (i.e. 2 R's on the Right side and 2 L's on the Left side) then the rear will point UP and the fronts will point DOWN in a sleek arrow look. If you switch the two front sides (i.e. keep rears on correct side) then you acheive the UP look pictured on P. 1 of this thread and that the majority appears to prefer. However you get this look at the expense of mis-matched beveling (I recommend anyone considering this look to order from Tim and inpect it yourself carefully prior to installation).
If you switch the back moldings as well as the fronts (i.e. put 2 R's on the Left and 2 L's on the Right) then the rear will point DOWN and the fronts will point UP:confused: :rolleyes: I absolutely would look at it first. The bevels will of course match this way with the more protruding bevel being on the bottom rather than the top.
I must disagree with your 99.9% assessment. I agree that when angled (many BSM have a symmetric point or are square) most point UP, but I've noticed about 20% or so point DOWN. Saw a Nissan Altima yesterday with a prominant DOWN look. |
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| msu79gt82 |
... to install them; as I had seen them both ways as per the photos on P. 1 of this thread. At the time "correct" was not really a consideration as again I assumed that either would work (as apparently some still believe). As this thread has worked its way out we have all discovered that because of the asymmetric beveling the DOWN install is correct.
Clearly based on the photo options on P. 1 of this thread the overwhelming majority of members prefer the UP look (by anywhere from 3:1 to 4:1). I wonder how the voting would go if we could look at the two options in person and study the way the light reflects off the beveling in each position.
I strongly reommend to anyone who prefers the UP to skip a dealer install; order from Tim so that you can see up close and personal how they will look on your MDX. |
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| tax_atty |
quote:
Originally posted by hopeitsfriday
tax_atty
Thats why you switch the back moldings too. On my way home today from work. I must have look at a 150 cars, 99.9% of them with directional moldings were points up. It just looks so much more symetrical.
As noted above, if you switch the back moldings the beveling still doesn't look right (even if it matches) and then the rear moldings don't match the wheel arches. To appreciate how the beveling looks you have to see it in person up close. You can't tell from the picture. Hey, do what you want with your moldings. You have the right to your opinion. The moldings just weren't designed to go on that way. |
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| ownmdx |
Installed them yesterday... pointing down. This took all of 20 minutes and they look great. I think the rear door moldings should be longer and I find it funny that we are talking about up or down... check out where the rear door molding stops. Seems like it could go further... like to the end of the door?
You can see this in the first post of this thread. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| Down - sleek arrow look:cool: :1: |
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| srpbep |
msu79gt82,
(1) Nice pic, thanks for sharing.
(2) A favor? The next time you park near an older MDX with the old style side molding, would you compare the old style vs. new style in the area of "protection"? I have an 02 with the old style molding. I would only consider upgrading if the new style offered improved "ding protection".
Thanks in advace .... |
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| vlam |
ownmdx wrote:
"Installed them yesterday... pointing down. This took all of 20 minutes and they look great. I think the rear door moldings should be longer and I find it funny that we are talking about up or down... check out where the rear door molding stops. Seems like it could go further... like to the end of the door?"
Once again, the BSM is an after thought by Acura. The rear BSM can't be any longer. It will not look correct if it was extended to the door edge because it will mess up the line on the rear fender. The half circle line starts on the rear door. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by ownmdx
Seems like it could go further... like to the end of the door?
You can see this in the first post of this thread.
Actually as you can see from my photo above they can NOT be any longer. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by vlam
ownmdx wrote:
Once again, the BSM is an after thought by Acura.
The narrow BSM that came out in '02 was clearly an after-thought and BSM interest must have caught Acura by surprise:rolleyes: However the new wide BSM for '04 was clearly planned. Note that the hightly accclaimed '04 TL does not have BSM standard - I believe that Acura is purposely making it a choice; as we have seen on this website, some love the look of BSM, some hate it, and some tolerate it for ding protection.
PS: I saw two sedans this morning with BSM pointind DOWN; a Nissan and a Toyota. By the way one of the best-selling and most popular cars on the planet has DOWN pointing BSM standard - the new Toyota Camry (it is a subtle arrow but it points down). |
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| perk |
| How in the world has this forum lasted so long? Amazing! |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by perk
How in the world has this forum lasted so long? Amazing!
You mean thread? |
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| perk |
| :rolleyes: Hmmm. I think that answers my question. Thanks. |
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| msu79gt82 |
Wilmar just upgraded his narrow original BSM for the new wider '04s and had the dealer install them UP. We've requested that he post pics and comment on the bevels.
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Originally posted by perk
How in the world has this forum lasted so long? Amazing!
PS: Another reminder, to those new to this thread, to view the photos on p. 1 before voting. Thanks. |
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