| hondacuraworld |
I started this thread on AudioKarma a couple of days ago, just on a whim, but as you read on, one of my members retired from McDonalds after 35 years at corporate and gave some feedback into stuff that we never see. Pretty darned interesting reading, about their products.....
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/sh...?threadid=13942 |
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| GaryJ |
| Please read a book entitled "Fast Food Nation" It is a great book about this topic. It exposes a lot of truths that normal people may not realize. I purchased it about 2 years ago and could not put it down. Trust me, you will not be eating a lot of fast food after this. |
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| socalJD |
| Tim - thanks for sharing. I'm glad to hear some corroborating facts from someone who was deep within the organization. Now that I have a couple of toddlers, I know McD's will soon become a staple. I have worked in the food industry all my professional career, and 2 of my past employers were suppliers to McD. I can honestly say that supplying them is not for the faint of heart. McD doesn't look for vendors - they want business partners - they literally want to know every aspect of your production and quality control practices before inking the supply contract. Extreme PITA is the best term that comes to mind, but their checks were always good and never late. Now that I sit on the other side of the table and knowing how thorough and quality conscious their supply chain is, I don't have to fret about taking the kids there for a 'happy meal' . . . |
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| zafer |
 ...then why are their burgers so awful???? If all he says is true, whata waste of effort..... |
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| DaleB |
| I don't understand. I take good low fat premium ground beef, make a patty and put it on a George Foreman no-fat grill. Take a bun, with the usual condiments and this is my hamburger. But no matter what I do, I can not make it taste like a McDs...it just tastes like a HAMBURGER!:4: |
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| zafer |
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Originally posted by DaleB
...it just tastes like a HAMBURGER!:4:
... and it probably smells like one too.  |
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| socalJD |
| I think you're missing the point, as a fairly recent parent, I was wondering about the welfare of my kids. Fast food joints in general probably leave a negative impression in terms of quality and wholesomeness of product. Due to the massive target advertising of McD, kids love the place and their products ! If up to me, I'd much rather have a Tommy Burger (greasy, sloppy chili cheese burger for those of you outside of SoCal), but it's nice to know that I don't have to feel guilty or negligent for taking the kids to McD . . . |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by socalJD
I think you're missing the point, as a fairly recent parent, I was wondering about the welfare of my kids. Fast food joints in general probably leave a negative impression in terms of quality and wholesomeness of product. Due to the massive target advertising of McD, kids love the place and their products ! If up to me, I'd much rather have a Tommy Burger (greasy, sloppy chili cheese burger for those of you outside of SoCal), but it's nice to know that I don't have to feel guilty or negligent for taking the kids to McD . . .
Didn't miss the point at all. Just rather have a wholesome hamburger at home and share the same with kids too. But granted, there is a time for Mcd... |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by socalJD
. . . If up to me, I'd much rather have a Tommy Burger (greasy, sloppy chili cheese burger for those of you outside of SoCal), . . .
Those are awesome :29: but my local favourite is: |
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| zafer |
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Originally posted by socalJD
I think you're missing the point, as a fairly recent parent.....it's nice to know that I don't have to feel guilty or negligent for taking the kids to McD . . .
You seriously believed all that mombojambo??? :confused: If McDs burgers are truly so top notch quality, why do they stink (literally) like that? Actually it has been quite a while since I've had one. Once in a while we'll get their fries. For fast burgers its Wendy's, and for dining its Fat Daddys. |
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| xcel |
Hi All:
___I was just at a McDonalds yesterday afternoon (just before work without the family of course) and if it were up to me, I would eat there at least once a week or more! I love the stuff. The wife can’t stand it and my youngest is in the “No McDonalds” camp but will on occasion. The two oldest kids are Wendy’s fans but at the prices Wendy’s charges and the quantities received, they can buy there own.
___When I am old and gray, I will keep my weight up with an Egg McMuffin, Hash Brown, and an Orange juice in the morning, a Double cheeseburger, small fry, and a coke for lunch, and maybe one of those new fangled salads in the evening. Since I will have Alzheimer’s, I can go back the next day and learn how great these combo’s are all over again ;)
___I love Outback Steak’s “Outback Special” - medium well with baked as well as Maggiano’s Spaghetti and Meat Balls as my local favorites but McDonald’s is my pick whenever we are away or I am on my own and don’t have a lunch packed for work. To bad I never win as far as the dining establishment of choice is concerned while with the family :(
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| hondacuraworld |
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Originally posted by zafer
You seriously believed all that mombojambo??? :confused: If McDs burgers are truly so top notch quality, why do they stink (literally) like that? Actually it has been quite a while since I've had one. Once in a while we'll get their fries. For fast burgers its Wendy's, and for dining its Fat Daddys.
What reason would he have to lie? This wasn't a discussion that took place anywhere close to official, it was on my audio board :confused:
Ever since this discussion, I've been drooling for a Big Mac :D |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by zafer
You seriously believed all that mombojambo??? :confused:. . .
Dude, go back and reread my post. I've worked for 2 fortune 50 food companies that SUPPLIED Mcd - I know how stringent they are on their supply chain providers - been there, done that, lived it. I believe in them to the extent that I own their stock in my IRA. Maybe you had a bad experience at one of their outlets - hard to know since some are corp owned, most are franchises - you can choose to believe what you want, but do not question what you do not know or have not experienced yourself . . . |
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| zafer |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Dude, go back and reread my post.... do not question what you do not know or have not experienced yourself . . .
:creep: OKAY, okay! I reread your post. I also checked my drivers license - turns out I was born yesterday :hmmm: |
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| zafer |
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Originally posted by hondacuraworld
What reason would he have to lie? This wasn't a discussion that took place anywhere close to official, it was on my audio board :confused:
Ever since this discussion, I've been drooling for a Big Mac :D
Tim, to me that post looks very much like a corporate rah-rah with fisherdude's personal ad-lib. You can't under estimate the power of posting things like that on a forum on the web. Remember the days when they figured out they could stick a frame or two of Pepsi or Coke out of 30/sec in the movies....
Like you I've drooled for a Big Mac many times, fell weak and stopped my a McD, paid the extra $$ for a burger in a box and was just as disappointed as I was with their other paper wrapped burgers. Great advertising, lousy product (like MS). Well they can't fool all of the people all they time, I'm out. If we're stopped at a McDs, 90% of the time its to use the WC. The rest is for their fries (gotta give them credit for those, and hope the vegetable oil part is true; heard one too many lard stories) and seldom for hash browns.
All fisherdude and socaldj say could be true, then why not go the extra inch and hire the people that know how to cook a burger. IMHO all that "highest quality raw food" being procured is wasted. I don't know.... maybe its me. I most likely don't have the taste to appreciate super duper quality burgers. |
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| BlueStreak |
And how many of us worked for this fine establishment at some point in our lives? I hear numbers like 1 in 3. I did, as it was THE place to work when I was in high school so many years ago. I was a fan of the food I'd cook that wasn't on the menu (steak and eggs and double-quarter-pounders, etc) and the food fights. We had a BLAST.....
Talking about food....we used to put a hamburger patty on the grill and leave it there for an extended period of time to see how small we could get it. Pretty nasty stuff....as it would shrink down to slightly bigger than a quarter. The pranks kids used to pull at the drive-thru, etc. and what we would do back to them. Not sure this would fly today.....
I would eat certain food, as their product consistency is amazing.
I do have one memory that I left with, and that was getting 2nd and 3rd degree burns over an extendend part of my body due to a grease mishap. And I wasn't the only one to get burned. Their attitude towards this was pretty sad, until it came court time. |
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| XStatic |
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Originally posted by BlueStreak
I do have one memory that I left with, and that was getting 2nd and 3rd degree burns over an extendend part of my body due to a grease mishap. And I wasn't the only one to get burned. Their attitude towards this was pretty sad, until it came court time.
Ouch, hope everything turned out ok.
I eat at McDs about once a week and I take my kids there. It is certainly a consistent experience, perhaps not the best it could be though.
I know I could let my money do the talking and purchase somewhere else, but I personally think that there should be standard labeling practices. My thought is instead of having to label every item they should only be required to label items that exceed what is generally accepted as reasonable values for a serving, or for a meal. Ok, perhaps McDs would have to label everything, or least just the super sized meals....
I really don't think the general public is going to make many purchase decisions on this although it might help some realize what huge portions they are getting and cut back. However I do think it would strongly encourage right-sizing meals to have reasonable nutritional value.
Heck it might even encourage McDs to create a McHealthly line of products. |
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| hondacuraworld |
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Originally posted by zafer
Tim, to me that post looks very much like a corporate rah-rah with fisherdude's personal ad-lib. You can't under estimate the power of posting things like that on a forum on the web. Remember the days when they figured out they could stick a frame or two of Pepsi or Coke out of 30/sec in the movies....
Like you I've drooled for a Big Mac many times, fell weak and stopped my a McD, paid the extra $$ for a burger in a box and was just as disappointed as I was with their other paper wrapped burgers. Great advertising, lousy product (like MS). Well they can't fool all of the people all they time, I'm out. If we're stopped at a McDs, 90% of the time its to use the WC. The rest is for their fries (gotta give them credit for those, and hope the vegetable oil part is true; heard one too many lard stories) and seldom for hash browns.
All fisherdude and socaldj say could be true, then why not go the extra inch and hire the people that know how to cook a burger. IMHO all that "highest quality raw food" being procured is wasted. I don't know.... maybe its me. I most likely don't have the taste to appreciate super duper quality burgers.
Zafer,
What exactly do you want in a burger that costs 99 cents? Or get it with fries and a coke for around 3 bucks? You think Microsoft is a lousy product too? I'm afraid maybe I just don't know what you expect in mass-market products.
When you see a commercial on TV for any brand of food, they of course will doctor it up to make it look its best, but I've never run into anything that came in their wrappers I would claim is unappetizing. In fact I challenge you to find any food that looks identical to what you get on TV. You mentioned Wendy's, it sure as heck isn't them.
I always heavily disregard things being referred to as conspiracy theory, because you can find conspiracy in anything if you look deeply enough. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by hondacuraworld
Zafer,
What exactly do you want in a burger that costs 99 cents? Or get it with fries and a coke for around 3 bucks?
And thats the key, right there. You get what you pay for. There are no free lunches in this world. If you are looking for a sirloin patty, grilled to a nice pink medium rare, with a slice of tomato, sweet onion and cheddar cheese, McD's is not the place.
I remember many years ago, there was a rumor that McD's was using worms in the hamburg. A simple cost analysis proved that theory wrong. At the time worms were $7.50 per pound, no way McD's would spend that much in the burgers!
By the way, Social, I also have worked in the supply side of McD's, and while there are strict quidelines, I can assure you that the guidelines are not complied with 100% (or really even close).
There is FAR too much profit squeezed from the vendors, forcing them to do some creative back room adjusting. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by Maik
By the way, Social, I also have worked in the supply side of McD's, and while there are strict quidelines, I can assure you that the guidelines are not complied with 100% (or really even close).
There is FAR too much profit squeezed from the vendors, forcing them to do some creative back room adjusting.
Well, I can't speak for the ketchup or pickles, but I do know about the ground beef and buns, and that is probably the most critical components next to the special sauce. There is absolutely NO WAY you can cheat them on the ground beef, not only is it USDA inspected, but they take lab analysis samples on every load delivered. If the fat content is off even 1%, they either reject the load or deduct twice the amount of credit due. The ground beef comes from cattle hand selected at the slaughterhouse and the beef is kept separate from beef destined for regular markets.
BTW, that's SOCALJD, although I have been accused of being 'social' from time to time . . . |
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| TYP |
just 3 words for it.. IN & OUT!
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