| Uh-oh, I just test drove a Porsche Cayenne. . .
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| laborlitigator |
Went with my buddy that we bought the X with and we both test drove the Cayenne.
My impressions:
1. Quieter ride.
2. More powerful engine.
3. The interior is much nicer.
Gentlemen, I am very tempted right now. . . |
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| BLACK-BLING-MDX |
| well it's more than $40,000 more... it better be $40,000 better than the mdx! :4: |
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| EXCALIBUR |
| Q: For the price of one Porsche Cayenne, why not buy two Acura MDX's?:confused: |
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| TheWorm |
IMO, the VW Touraeg w/v8 is a better buy. And better looking, too.
I take it you won another case recently, eh, LL? |
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| frostyra |
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Originally posted by TheWorm
I take it you won another case recently, eh, LL?
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| TYP |
Isn't the "S" model at 90k now?... and the Turbo model at 120k?...
They are both very nice car.. just that it feel so small on the 2nd row.. and no 3rd row.. I think all Porche cars are very nice toys.
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| laborlitigator |
I test drove the base model which was around $50. The "S" model was an additional 10K.
The Turbo is around 90ish.
Look, I'm not putting the X down, but it was so much quieter and it turned like it was on rails. Plus the tranny is much smoother than my M3. |
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| BWSmith201 |
Well, its a Porsche. No surprise there!
I don't envy you your decision. The Porsche is darn nice, I bet! I haven't driven it, but I'm sure its great. I'd be tempted by the 50k base, but I don't think I could justify spending 90k or 120k on a car. I'd be too cheap! Besides, if I was gonna buy a Porsche, I'd get a convertible!
Let us know how it turns out! Post pics if you should get one! Maybe I'll change my mind in a few years...
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| FatBoyMDX |
There's only one Porsche.
9-1-1
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| Allen Cichanski |
| Whatever superior dynamic qualities the Porsche Cayenne has over the MDX it has one serious defect. From the side and rear it is much too ordinary looking. From the front the Cayenne is simply one ugggglllly SOB! When you factor in the absurd price and grossly obese weight of the Cayenne it is a real loser. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by EXCALIBUR
Q: For the price of one Porsche Cayenne, why not buy two Acura MDX's?:confused:
Who said I was getting rid of the X?
Also, it's a six speed automatic/tiptronic. |
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| tax_atty |
| I'm still having some trouble saying Porsche and SUV together. I'm also still getting used to the look of it. I would call it an "intriguing" vehicle. It doesn't, however, have the interior room & flexibility of the X. |
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| twosomeca |
| I have to be honest. I won't drive or even get into cars that might get me into trouble. The Cayenne may qualify for that, but maybe I can get in on a technicality: my budget couldn't afford one right now. :D |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by tax_atty
I'm still having some trouble saying Porsche and SUV together. I'm also still getting used to the look of it. I would call it an "intriguing" vehicle. It doesn't, however, have the interior room & flexibility of the X.
Agreed, the interior room was much smaller compared to the X. As for the look of the vehicle, it really does look like the Toureg. As I usually do with any vehicle purchase, I'll try to analyze it from all points of view.
Unusally though, Mrs. LL really liked it and is pushing me on it. Since we also test drove the '04 X5, I'm actually leaning more towards the X5 based on the full maintainance program, which Porsche does not offer. As for handling, the X5 is not as quiet but handles better in the steering. |
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| tax_atty |
If you're looking for a second SUV and don't need the space of the MDX, IMHO I'd go for the BMW X5. In 2001, I wanted to get the X5 but the lease price was insanely high. The lease price on the X5 has now dropped substantially but it just doesn't have the room I need with 2 kids on the way (any day now).
Now, if you're looking for a sports car, then go with a Porsche - but not the Cayenne. |
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| DaveI |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Went with my buddy that we bought the X with and we both test drove the Cayenne.
My impressions:
1. Quieter ride.
2. More powerful engine.
3. The interior is much nicer.
Gentlemen, I am very tempted right now. . .
My wife is intrigued by the Cayenne too. I found it interesting that you felt the Cayenne V6 felt more powerful to you than the MDX. Looking at the 0-60 stats for the Cayenne (9.2 sec) I would have thought that it would have felt underpowered, and that one would need to get the 'S' to have acceleration that outperformed the MDX. Hopefully, I was wrong, it would save us a bunch...guess I'll have to go along for a test drive.
Btw, the base prices are $42,900 (V6), $55,900 (S), and $88,900 (turbo). I don't think you could conceivably build a turbo that priced out at 120k, but you never know. |
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| MoogieBoogie |
The Porsche is really nice, but I can't get over the exterior design. I just don't like it. The interior is very nice. The quality of materials is superb - much better than the MDX. Porsche even had some of the first owners come out to Porsche dealerships on a weekend, paid them a few hundred bucks, just to share how much they enjoyed the car.
The BMW maintenance program is kind of stupid. I mean, they basically cover oil changes every 12k-15k miles or so. I wasn't used to changing my oil over that long of an interval, so I would bring it at around 5k miles and have them just change it. Cost per oil change is $70. So I just look at it as if I pay them $35 to change my oil, which isn't too bad of a deal I guess.
I have to admit though - if the VW Touraeg is anything like the Porsche, I would be really tempted to pick one up. However, the MDX is nearly brand new and I can't beat the projected resale and reliability of it with any other SUV on the market today.
-Brian. |
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| robrecht |
Go for it, man, that is one nice sport utility vehicle, Wiedeking's master work. Can't wait to see the new 911.
The VW Touaregiethingie might be a better value but it does not have any statistical significance, ie, no P-value.
I'm still waiting to see a Cayenne stretch limo, that would be funny. |
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| robrecht |
| OTOH, 10 mpg with the real Porsche engine. |
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| renov8r |
Against the Cayenne is that there are THOUSANDS availble for sale NEW on Porsche dealers' lots across the country AND there are THOUSANDS more on USED CAR LOTS from folks who "test leased" em and then walked away...
THis means that Porsche overestimated how many they could sell & how many folks would be happy with the poor MPG and lack of real "sexiness".
It is a great "test drive" but not a great "I own this thing" -- unlike the MDX, which is STILL an "in-demand" vehicle!
{btw I just got rid of my beater 94 Jimmy & got a like new off lease 01 Bravada -- this thing is no match for the MDX in terms of power or turning or shear room, but in many ways it was "GM's MDX" --it has heated leather seats, power lumbar, moonroof, Bose (6 disc changer in arm rest not dash and it's not as crappy as the MDX speakers), fogs, heated mirrors, rain sensing wipers,hitch,OnStar, autosensing 4wd/AWD yadda yadda yadda -- sorta amazing how cheap I got it for, but hey "it ain't no Honda"....) |
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| tax_atty |
renov8r - THOUSANDS of new & used Cayennes sitting around - I don't think they made that many. Sure you can go into most Porsche dealers and pick one up today but there aren't THOUSANDS available out there.
MoogieBoogie - BMW makes you wait 12-15K miles for an oil change? I had 2 Bimmers that were covered under the maintenance program and a Mercedes under their maintenance program. Basically both car companies use a computer in your car that monitors how you drive and determines when your oil needs to be changed. I know they seem to stretch things out, but I never had an oil change over 10K miles. I think BMW and Mercedes know what their doing. They are not going to risk saving a few bucks on oil changes if its going to damage the cars and cost them major bucks in warranty repairs. I do find it interesting that the companies that do not give you free maintenance recommend oil changes a lot more frequently that those that do. Maybe its simply that the companies that are still charging you for maintenance are continuing the myth that your oil breaks down a lot faster so they can continue their revenue stream! |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by tax_atty
I know they seem to stretch things out, but I never had an oil change over 10K miles. I think BMW and Mercedes know what their doing. They are not going to risk saving a few bucks on oil changes if its going to damage the cars and cost them major bucks in warranty repairs. I do find it interesting that the companies that do not give you free maintenance recommend oil changes a lot more frequently that those that do. Maybe its simply that the companies that are still charging you for maintenance are continuing the myth that your oil breaks down a lot faster so they can continue their revenue stream!
Agreed, the old adage to change the oil every 3k is based on old ideas and not newer technology. Some people have said that Mercedes-Benz is stretching it to avoid dealer maintenance, but in countries like Canada there is no free scheduled maintenance like in the U.S. and the service intervals are comparable.
Nevertheless, I see plenty of people on the MB boards who will get an out-of-pocket oil change after, say, 5k. Just for their comfort level.
BTW, my Saab is now past 11k miles and the computer still hasn't asked for its first oil change. However, the driving in it is relatively unusual and not typical (a blend of a station car and a weekend car). |
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| DaveI |
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Originally posted by robrecht
...Can't wait to see the new 911...
Rumor has it, the final product will look something like this. |
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| MoogieBoogie |
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Originally posted by tax_atty
MoogieBoogie - BMW makes you wait 12-15K miles for an oil change? I had 2 Bimmers that were covered under the maintenance program and a Mercedes under their maintenance program. Basically both car companies use a computer in your car that monitors how you drive and determines when your oil needs to be changed. I know they seem to stretch things out, but I never had an oil change over 10K miles. I think BMW and Mercedes know what their doing. They are not going to risk saving a few bucks on oil changes if its going to damage the cars and cost them major bucks in warranty repairs. I do find it interesting that the companies that do not give you free maintenance recommend oil changes a lot more frequently that those that do. Maybe its simply that the companies that are still charging you for maintenance are continuing the myth that your oil breaks down a lot faster so they can continue their revenue stream!
The BMW was a 2001 model year. I'm not sure if that makes a difference. Basically, they had a schedule maintenance interval listing, and it was to bring your car in every 12k miles for an oil change and other items. I have never waited until 12k miles for an oil change, doing it at least every 5k miles or so. From what I remember the dealer telling me when I purchased the car was that the BMWs do not need oil changes until 15k miles, under normal driving conditions. The car is never driven hard, so I'm sure this is typically the case. I was never told that BMW would change my oil for free whenever the oil change indicator would go off - in fact, I was told the exact opposite.
It's a bit different now from what I've read. They now have scheduled maintenance for the entire warranty period, instead of just 3 years / 36k miles.
-Brian. |
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| robrecht |
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Originally posted by DaveI
Rumor has it, the final product will look something like this.
Thanks. In this picture, it looks like the 2nd generation VW bug from the front! Don't think I'm gonna like that, except that it will remind me of the original air cooled Porsches in a nostalgic sort of way. |
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| DaveI |
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Originally posted by robrecht
Thanks. In this picture, it looks like the 2nd generation VW bug from the front! Don't think I'm gonna like that, except that it will remind me of the original air cooled Porsches in a nostalgic sort of way.
True, I've seen many comments that refer to the vw-bug-like front end. It does look like they're trying to re-incorporate some of the styling from the 993's (95-98) which imho, would be an improvement. We'll see in the fall what it really looks like, I guess.
Back to the original topic, my wife & I got the chance to test-drive a Cayenne S yesterday, & I have to agree with laborlitigator's comments. Acceleration, interior & exterior quality, and especially braking & cornering are tremendous. The downside is that with only a few must-have options like the nav, xenons, heated seats, it gets over 60k pretty quickly. |
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