| mullysalt |
So many moves have already been agreed upon even before the March 3rd beginning of free agency. What is your team doing or what have they already done? Who do you want your team to draft?
The Chiefs have targeted resigning their own free agents first and then maybe going into the market if someone appeals to them. The one name I've heard floated involving the Chiefs is Rams DE Grant Winstrom. That would be a nice pick up since he's strong at the point of attack, very solid player, very consistent but not a big-time pass rush threat. |
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| laborlitigator |
Gints better get something on the O-line.
I've heard the Jets are trying to get Randy Moss. . . |
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| Vman007 |
Redskins singed the following:
Quarterback Mark Brunell from Jacksonville
Tailback Clinton Portis from Denver
Defensive Lineman Phillip Daniels from Chicago
Defensive Tackle Cornelius Griffin
Cornerback Shawn Springs to replace Cornerback Champ Baily who is going to Denver as part of the trade for Clinton Portis.
I'm sure that there will be more to follow since they are trading away almost all of their picks in the draft. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by Vman007
Redskins singed the following:
Quarterback Mark Brunell from Jacksonville
Tailback Clinton Portis from Denver
Defensive Lineman Phillip Daniels from Chicago
Defensive Tackle Cornelius Griffin
Cornerback Shawn Springs to replace Cornerback Champ Baily who is going to Denver as part of the trade for Clinton Portis.
I'm sure that there will be more to follow since they are trading away almost all of their picks in the draft.
I wonder if they can finally have a winning season. |
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| mullysalt |
I love the guy but what's up? Does he just get to come in and pick all the players he wants? Man, the Redskins' haul thus far looks like a crazy fan's dream list. Plus, the fifth pick in the draft which they could keep and get another sweet player or trade out of that spot and get more picks. Either way as a Chiefs fan I'm soooooooooooo happy to see Portis leave I believe I just soiled myself.:creep:
P.S.-LL, I keep hearing Iowa's Robert Gallery as the pick for the G'nts at #4 sport in the draft. He's big and very good and remember Tony Boselli was Coughlin's first pick in Jacksonville. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
I love the guy but what's up? Does he just get to come in and pick all the players he wants? Man, the Redskins' haul thus far looks like a crazy fan's dream list. Plus, the fifth pick in the draft which they could keep and get another sweet player or trade out of that spot and get more picks. Either way as a Chiefs fan I'm soooooooooooo happy to see Portis leave I believe I just soiled myself.:creep:
P.S.-LL, I keep hearing Iowa's Robert Gallery as the pick for the G'nts at #4 sport in the draft. He's big and very good and remember Tony Boselli was Coughlin's first pick in Jacksonville.
I really want Gallery too. I just hope he's not a bust. ie. Tony Mandarich. . . |
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| jswift2000 |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Gints better get something on the O-line.
I've heard the Jets are trying to get Randy Moss. . .
The jets need some good players to compete this year. |
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| mullysalt |
| What's up with A. Winfield CB from Buffalo and OSU? I heard he agreed to terms but now is having cold feet about playing for the J-E-T-S! So he may be back on the market? |
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| msu79gt82 |
| Texans should be much improved - playoff bound?? |
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| laborlitigator |
With the way the free agency is, you never know who's gonna make it to the playoffs.
Let me see, who was 1-15 last year. They've go a chance to make it to the SB this year. |
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| mullysalt |
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Originally posted by msu79gt82
Texans should be much improved - playoff bound??
I like how Casserly and Capers are putting that team together with two BIG additions already. They play in a tough division but they're going in the right direction. |
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| gdot |
Seahawks sign DE Grant Wistrom from the Rams. He's no "Freak", but he'll do. He'll definitely be an upgrade from what we had last year when they could not put any pressure on the QB.
I believe the Hawks' offense is one of the best in the game, especially if we can re-sign Darrell Jackson. I think we are just a couple more defensive players away from going real far in the playoffs if not the superbowl this year. |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by gdot
Seahawks sign DE Grant Wistrom from the Rams. He's no "Freak", but he'll do. He'll definitely be an upgrade from what we had last year when they could not put any pressure on the QB.
I believe the Hawks' offense is one of the best in the game, especially if we can re-sign Darrell Jackson. I think we are just a couple more defensive players away from going real far in the playoffs if not the superbowl this year.
I am an adopted Seahawks fan and originally a Jets fan (from NYC, but have been in the Seattle area for nearly ten years now).
Looks like Jackson might be leaving. That brings up the issue of getting another receiver.
Wistrom is a good signing. I agree that the team needs more defense, especially when it comes to stopping the run. We're debating this at work, but I think that the Hawks need a solid, young defensive tackle to plug up the middle and stuff the run, as well as a better middle linebacker. A bonus would be a DT who could stuff the run first and collapse the pocket second, now that Wistrom is aboard.
Norman Hand and Chad Eaton are long in the tooth, and John Randle has retired. We need younger beef in the trenches.
If Jackson leaves (e.g. to the Eagles who desperately need him), and Reggie Williams drops in the wide receiver-rich draft, there will be a huge temptation to take him over a less glamourous DT. I really hope that the Hawks re-sign Jackson and use that pick to boost the D. There should be a couple of decent DT's available at 23.
You know, I rejoiced when the Seahawks hired Ray Rhodes to shore up a weak Seattle D. But then I was horrified to see teams run all over them. What's the deal? Has Rhodes gone strange, or were the players that bad?
But then I looked up some stats from Rhodes' tenure in Philly, and it seems that as his time progressed there, the pass defense improved significantly but the run defense dropped precipitously. Hmmmm. |
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| mullysalt |
| on Sept. 12, 2004 the mighty Kansas City Chiefs pay a visit to the Denver Donkeys. May as well jump in the deep end of the pool and see if these Chiefs can swim. |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
on Sept. 12, 2004 the mighty Kansas City Chiefs pay a visit to the Denver Donkeys. May as well jump in the deep end of the pool and see if these Chiefs can swim.
Yup. I think the Chiefs will be alright. The water will be a lot colder in December. |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Hey mdxxxx, you know Rob Ryan is Buddy's son. It should be very interesting around the Bay this football season.
Yeah, I noted ealier that the scheme of 3-4 mixed with 46 would be interesting. We'll see how Sapp fits in. At least he has Washington next to him, who is familliar with the scheme... It will take a while to adapt the entire defense to it... I'd give it a few years. Unfortulately, Sapp and Washington may not be around then.:rolleyes: |
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| Maik |
Ryan did a good job with the Pats D line. I dont think the 4-6 will get much play. Interesting to note that the Raiders really wanted Mangini as their d coordinator, but Pats must have made a deal for him to succeed Romeo when he gets his head coaching job. I am not sure if Ryan is ready for a coordinators role, but time will tell.
I dont understand the Raiders constant attraction to old timers. Washington will do a good job at run stopping as long as he only gets 15-20 snaps a game, but I think Sapp has seen his best days as has Hamilton. Not much speed in that group.
I hate to say this (not really) but I suspect that the Turner regime will be similar to Callahan's. Short. |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by Maik
...I dont understand the Raiders constant attraction to old timers. Washington will do a good job at run stopping as long as he only gets 15-20 snaps a game, but I think Sapp has seen his best days as has Hamilton. Not much speed in that group...
Oh, it's easy, just Al being Al. Remember Jim Plunkett, Mike Haynes, Ted hendricks, John Matuzak, Eric Dickerson, Ronnie Lott, Roger Craig, Jerry Rice, ect, ect.... Al prides himself in being the reclamation king... too bad it has about a 50% success rate.
Looks like the defensive scheme will utilize the speed of fast linebackers and secondary. The D line will be run stuffers only (rotating Parella, Sapp, Stubblefield, and Washington), with the pass rush primarily coming off the edges with LB Travian Smith, and End Brayton..
Too early to tell regarding Turner. One thing for sure, expectations are not high, so he has relatively no pressure. |
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| mullysalt |
M. Clarett and his lawyers get Ginsberg's ear and conventional wisdom says that not even the powerful NFL legal team can bail the league out this time. *LL, Your take on this topic would be very appreciated* I expect Clarett and M. Williams to be back in the draft again by Saturday.
LL, who do you want the jets to take?
XFACTOR-Who do you want the Chiefs to draft?(see NBA thread)
Maik&Kere-Should we even play next season after the Pats dealt for Dillon? Will Law be a former Pat by the end of the Draft? If so, is there a snowball's chance in SunDevil Stadium that he'll be dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs? (P.S.-Pats @ Arrowhead for MNF Oct. 18)
*****My X was built one year ago today*********:2party: :yesyes: :2party: |
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| xfactor |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
...XFACTOR-Who do you want the Chiefs to draft?(see NBA thread)...
Maik&Kere-Should we even play next season after the Pats dealt for Dylan?
LOL, you're a funny man mullysalt...;) I hope the RAIDERS select Gallery. That being said, that guarantees they dont. Davis will probably do something contrarian and pick Williams, or some unknown player...:rolleyes:
mullysalt, no need to even play next season. I'm sorry to say, but the Pats are the only good team among the NFL mediocrity. Makes for a dull season. :(
BTW... Dillion wanted to become a Raider, but Al wasn't going to give up a second round pick. (3rd round offered). I agree with Al on that move. The Pats have excess draft pics, so they could afford it. |
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| Maik |
Even if they did not have as many draft picks as they do, I would still make that trade. No way would they be assured of getting as good a player in the draft that fills an exact need. After all, dont teams hope that they will draft the "next" Dillon in the draft?
Mully, I would actually be surprised if the Pats were to deal Law. I expect him to play at least this year for the Pats and if he wants a big payday, he better play well! Then he will be in a position to play another year for the Pats. Hard to believe he is such a crybaby. Poor Ty, he is only the second highest paid corner in the NFL working on a FIVE year old contract! I guess he does not remember the $15,000,000 signing bonus he got which, at that time was totally absurd. He finally plays up to his contract and he wants more.
As for the underclassmen I dont think they will be in the draft. Look for Clarett to be in the CFL for a year.
And for heavens sake, they better play next season...I just paid my season ticket invoice for 2004! |
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| xfactor |
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Originally posted by Maik
...actually be surprised if the Pats were to deal Law. I expect him to play at least this year for the Pats and if he wants a big payday, he better play well! Then he will be in a position to play another year for the Pats. Hard to believe he is such a crybaby. Poor Ty, he is only the second highest paid corner in the NFL working on a FIVE year old contract! I guess he does not remember the $15,000,000 signing bonus he got which, at that time was totally absurd. He finally plays up to his contract and he wants more.
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Interesting mentality these top level corners have. The minute Champ Bailey got paid, Woodson, Law, and Sertain wanted to "re-up"... Woodson was not happy having the "franchise" tag, because it messed with potential bonus money... I guess it's more about ego / respect then money. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by xfactor
Interesting mentality these top level corners have. The minute Champ Bailey got paid, Woodson, Law, and Sertain wanted to "re-up"... Woodson was not happy having the "franchise" tag, because it messed with potential bonus money... I guess it's more about ego / respect then money.
Ya, thats what they say. But a famous Moe Vaughn quote several years ago before he left the Red Sox "It's ALWAYS about the money" is right on target.
Ty made a huge mistake a couple of weeks ago on a local radio talk show when he said " I need to feed my family, you know"
That statement, no matter he was kidding, is still being played on that station. Not the way to get the fans to love him. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
M. Clarett and his lawyers get Ginsberg's ear and conventional wisdom says that not even the powerful NFL legal team can bail the league out this time. *LL, Your take on this topic would be very appreciated* I expect Clarett and M. Williams to be back in the draft again by Saturday.
LL, who do you want the jets to take?
XFACTOR-Who do you want the Chiefs to draft?(see NBA thread)
Maik&Kere-Should we even play next season after the Pats dealt for Dillon? Will Law be a former Pat by the end of the Draft? If so, is there a snowball's chance in SunDevil Stadium that he'll be dealt to the Kansas City Chiefs? (P.S.-Pats @ Arrowhead for MNF Oct. 18)
*****My X was built one year ago today*********:2party: :yesyes: :2party:
I think the Jets better go with defense. I'd go for a corner rather than a LB. |
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| Maik |
Latest rumor has the Pats trading their 2nd round choice with their 32nd choice to Miami for their 1st round choice (#20). Then sending both first rounders (#20 & #21) to washington for #5.
Then they would grab Sean Taylor.
I hope its nothing more than a rumor. I would much rather see the Pats grab a couple of linemen with their two 1st rounders. An offensive line stud and a defensive line stud would be great. |
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| Maik |
Heard a rumor that the Raiders are looking at Kurt Warner.
At least he can throw the long ball that Big Al covets.
Any substance to this rumor? |
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| xfactor |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Heard a rumor that the Raiders are looking at Kurt Warner.
At least he can throw the long ball that Big Al covets.
Any substance to this rumor?
I heard the rumor also.... Lombardi would have to perform some cap magic to pull that move off... |
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| mullysalt |
Winners during the first day of the draft IMHO;
NE-The best prove why that is so, again.
Detroit-Thank You, Cleveland!!! Thank you!!!!
PITT-Addressed three needs very well.
ARIZONA-Denny Green might not win in the playoffs, but he knows his talent.
SD-Came out smelling like a rose with the extra picks and Rivers.
Losers during the first day of the draft;
SF-The longer York is in control the worse off the Niners will be.
Dallas-Julius Jones? :rolleyes:
Eagles-Hope some WR's are still there on day 2
Browns-49ers of the AFC.
WASH-I know it's hard to go wrong with taking Sean Taylor but the 'skins will have to pay someday for their free spending ways.
I am the only one who every year my team drafts someone other than the person or persons I'm hoping for out of who's available. It's sooooooo frustrating.:3: |
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| xfactor |
The foundation of the next Raider generation is forming nicely. The offensive line now looks like...
LT Robert Gallery 6-7 330 - Rookie - First round
LG Mo Collins 6-4 330 - 5 yr - First round
C Jake Grove 6-3 310 - Rookie - 2nd round
LG Frank Middleton 6-4 330 - 8 yr - 3rd round
RT Langston Walker 6-8 350 - 2 yr - 2nd round
I like the return to strong emphasis on bruising, physical, nasty, smashmouth, run oriented offense (Love the bookend tackles). It will drain the clock and keep the opposing offense off the field... The best defensive tactic.... |
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| laborlitigator |
As a Giants fan, I wanted Gallery all along. I think we overpaid to get Eli Manning. If his name was Eli Smith, he would have probably gone in the 2nd round. Now, we've mortgaged the future for this guy.
I just sure he's worth it.
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
As a Giants fan, I wanted Gallery all along. I think we overpaid to get Eli Manning. If his name was Eli Smith, he would have probably gone in the 2nd round. Now, we've mortgaged the future for this guy.
I just sure he's worth it.
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Could not agree more. The three qb's were not that far apart to warrant such a trade. But hey, thats why we are posting on this website and not making the actual decisions.
I am happy with the Pats first day. They addressed the D line with the first and third picks and a tight end with the second. They run a lot of plays with 2 tight ends, so it makes some sense. The real gem, however, was getting Corey Dillon in the second round!
I also like the way the Raiders O line is shaping up...to bad they still dont have a coach! (not a Norv Turner fan here). |
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| mullysalt |
Now that all the picks are made how did your team do?
The Chiefs made some solid moves in the second day drafting Samie Parker and trading for John Welbourne. Overall the Chiefs filled many needs, run-stuffer DT in Junior Savaii, A second receiving TE in Kris Wilson(This pick was a shock to me but Wilson played very well @Pitt), Depth @ OLB with K. Fox, 2 WR's Parker and McIntyre and OL depth with Welbourne and a T from Syracuse in the 7th round.
All in all the draft was more productive for the Chiefs than I originally thought after day 1. It's difficult to really shake things up when they return 21 of 22 starters from last season. Kicking and backup QB are still a question marks for me that hopefully will be answered in free agency. |
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| keremoner |
| Pats could have done better in that they did not need a DT and TE as much as a nose tackle/guard. But then again, who am I to talk. Belichick is a master in picking personnel. |
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| msu79gt82 |
I think the Texans did OK. Along with everyone else only time will tell.
Eli stuck his neck out so far it will be a miracle if he doesn't lose his head :rolleyes: |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Pats could have done better in that they did not need a DT and TE as much as a nose tackle/guard. But then again, who am I to talk. Belichick is a master in picking personnel.
Pats did awesome! Wolfort is a stud and I believe he will be the real thing. As far as tight end, Pats run a lot of two tight end sets, so three TE's is ok. Plus Corey Dillon on the second round! PK Sam could be the big wideout they have lacked and a couple of D backs that will add some youth to the defense.
Only area that I do not believe that they have addressed yet is LB, where age is creeping up on many of them. O line could use another body as well, but with June 1 cuts lurking, maybe they will pick up some more "bargain" veterans. |
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| gdot |
I think the Seahawks had a solid draft, but just like every other team, time will tell. They managed to fill their needs on the defensive side of the ball through the draft and free agency. With the way the Sonics ended their season and how terrible the Mariners are doing, the Seahawks managed to give us something to look forward to.
As for Eli, no offense to Giants fans, but I hope he falls on his face. It was sad to see him called up as the 1st pick and act like a big baby. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by gdot
. . . As for Eli, no offense to Giants fans, but I hope he falls on his face. It was sad to see him called up as the 1st pick and act like a big baby. . .
Couldn't agree more - while I admire the way Peyton plays the game and conducts himself, Eli takes the Raspberry award for playing the role of spoiled-rotten-superego-brat. Maybe LL can chime in here, but I think the Giants jumped the gun on the trade for Eli. Eli clearly wasn't going to sign with the Chargers and threatened to sit out the entire year (kinda ironic when Clarrett & M. Williams can't even get in the draft), so if I was the Giants brass, I would have let the soap opera play out some - let the Chargers & Eli twist & turn in the wind, and then come in at the 11th hour with a lesser trade package that doesn't mortgage their future. Would have been a win-win for everyone, Eli get his wish, Chargers save face, NFL avoids potential fiasco and Giants don't give up next year's 1st rd pick . . . I'm no Mel Kiper Jr, but Eli ain't worth a #4 pick (Rivers), 3rd rd pick, AND next yrs 1st & 5th rd picks . . . |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Couldn't agree more - while I admire the way Peyton plays the game and conducts himself, Eli takes the Raspberry award for playing the role of spoiled-rotten-superego-brat. Maybe LL can chime in here, but I think the Giants jumped the gun on the trade for Eli. Eli clearly wasn't going to sign with the Chargers and threatened to sit out the entire year (kinda ironic when Clarrett & M. Williams can't even get in the draft), so if I was the Giants brass, I would have let the soap opera play out some - let the Chargers & Eli twist & turn in the wind, and then come in at the 11th hour with a lesser trade package that doesn't mortgage their future. Would have been a win-win for everyone, Eli get his wish, Chargers save face, NFL avoids potential fiasco and Giants don't give up next year's 1st rd pick . . . I'm no Mel Kiper Jr, but Eli ain't worth a #4 pick (Rivers), 3rd rd pick, AND next yrs 1st & 5th rd picks . . .
I've got to agree with you. Along with that, the team is a win now team with many veterans. They're going to give him to keys to the family car and what happens if we go 4-12 again?! We've then blown a top 5 pick. Not too smart, unless this kid is really the goods. But even his brother went through a rough 1st year if I recall. |
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| mullysalt |
Since the G-men seem intent on cutting Kerry Collins and going with Manning another long season may be in store for you. That being considered, why not just adopt a team for the upcoming season since the G-men still have no offensive line. Which was their primary reason for stinking up the joint last year. Oh wait they did draft the guy who knocked up TC's daughter @ BC. :rolleyes:
LL, now is the time...........for you to jump aboard the Chiefs bandwagon and ride it all the way to the Super Bowl!!!!!!!!!
P.S.-I think everyone is overreacting to the Manning story, the real story here is why did the G-Men select Chris Snee???? That's juicy!
G-Men will be fine with Eli but it will take time. |
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| laborlitigator |
Mully,
I hope you're right. I still would have preferred Gallery. However, after hearing Ernie Acorsi today, it sounds like they are going to pick up a journeyman QB to ease in the transition for Eli. Sounds like Vinny Testaverde has a job this upcoming season. |
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| xfactor |
Upon further examination of the Raiders picks. A few interesting observations...
- Viewing highlights of Gallery delivering pancake block after pancake block, in addition to moving defenders half way across the field and burying them out of bounds warms my heart. Of course the NFL ends are another story, but he knows that...
- The consensus on most draft boards had the following...
+ r1. Robert Gallery was #1 rated OT.
+ r2 Jake Grove was the #1 rated Center (projected 1st round).
+ r3 Stuart Schweigert was the #2 Safety (Behind Jones)(projected 2nd round).
+ r4 Carlos Francis (WR) was the fastest player in the draft/combine.(projected 2nd round)
+ r5 Johnnie Morant (WR) was the strongest wideout in the draft (projected 3rd round).
+ r6 Shawn Johnson (DE) was the "smartest" player in the draft (near perfect wunderlick score) (projected 3rd round)
Most "experts" have given the Raiders draft grades ranging from A+ to B. What does this mean? Outside of paper, nothing... Time will tell if this draft was a success. But one thing for sure, as usual, the Raiders continue to be one of the most paper talented teams in the NFL. |
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| mullysalt |
I've seen Gallery, Francis and Stu S. all play in college.
Gallery=STUD best Raiders pick since Woodson:4:
Francis=Symons favorite target at least in the game I saw @ Mizzou. He looked like he can play on the next level. Good pick
Stuie=Good Luck here X, I don't think he has the coverage skillz necessary for the NFL. Time will tell though.
The other guys I haven't seen play first hand. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by xfactor
But one thing for sure, as usual, the Raiders continue to be one of the most paper talented teams in the NFL.
Problem is that most of that talent all carry their AARP cards! |
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| xfactor |
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Originally posted by Maik
Problem is that most of that talent all carry their AARP cards!
LOL, only at a cursory glance... Just the skilled positions, a safety and a defensive tackle or so... If you study the team in depth, the core of the team is too young, or in their prime... The biggest issue at present is developing chemistry, and an effective scheme... the most important elements to winning... |
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