| jswift2000 |
Has anyone seen the recent pres bush add where he has a clip or two of 9/11 in the commercial? Is he an idiot? Oh wait... I already know that answer. :32:
I just wanned to hear what everyones take on that commercial is.
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| BaldEagle |
New interesting information has come to light since it was discussed in the other thread. Evidently the complaining offended family members are part of an anti-war or an anti-Bush activist group. One group had even received considerable funding from the Theresa Kerry foundation. They even very possibly had received talking points from the Democrat party. Hmmm???
It appears that using 9/11 for political gain is not being done by just Bush. Too bad the media has done a poor job of reporting this so far. They were very quick reporting criticism of Bush but have failed completely reporting on the true agenda of those complaining about the ads.
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| A2MDXer |
| Regardless of agenda, I feel it was in poor taste and felt he deserved some criticism for it. I think many people without agendas has similar reactions (many didn't as well). However, I didn't make a big deal about b/c let's face it, most political ads are either crap or borderline poor taste. |
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| zafer |
http://www.barrylank.com/
SCRIPT FOR GEORGE BUSH’S CAMPAIGN COMMERCIAL UTILIZING SEPT. 11.
STOCK FOOTAGE OF WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSE. MONTAGE OF FIREFIGHTERS AND VICTIMS’ FAMILIES.
NARRATOR – On Sept. 11, 2001, America suffered its worst attack on home soil since the Civil War. And on that day, George Bush did not completely lose it. He was not found in a bus station in Denver claiming to be someone else. Nor did he dress like a woman and try to slip out the back door of Air Force One. No, he marshaled America’s vast defense and delivered a speech and did more or less what we’re paying him to do.
STOCK FOOTAGE OF GEORGE BUSH NOT BEING CRAZY.
No other person in America could possibly have kept from dropping his pants and quacking like a duck until he convinced everyone to ignore him. That’s just what Al Gore would have done. John Kerry, too. Seriously, every single person would have done that. Except Ralph Nader – whom you should seriously consider voting for if you’re not going to vote for Bush.
PICTURE OF RALPH NADER PHOTOSHOPPED INTO PICTURE OF JACQUELINE KENNEDY ONANSSIS
That’s why these loyal Americans are voting for Bush:
CUT TO MAN-ON-THE-STREET INTERVIEWS.
FARMER – I think George Bush held up well under the unbelievable stress of Sept. 11. That’s why I also support his environmental policy, unrelated though it might seem to be, and even though the change in the earth’s climate could put my crop land under five feet of sea water.
TEACHER – He brought down the Taliban. That completely explains why he’s under-funding education.
LABORER – It completely justifies all the huge tax cuts, which I cannot otherwise understand.
MONTAGE OF SEPT. 11 AGAIN.
NARRATOR – Ever since Sept. 11, America has been frightened. And George Bush has bravely helped keep us that way. George Bush has been a wartime president. And the war against terrorism never ends. Look at him. He’s walking around Ground Zero. Vote for him, for crying out loud. |
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| pdempsey |
He was there. He provided leadership during the crisis. The clips were in good taste and part of an overall narrative. He has as much right to mention 9/11 as Kerry has to mention Vietnam where 50,000 Americans lost their lives.
My opinion. (USMC during Vietnam.) |
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| keremoner |
Anyone who thinks this ad was inappropriate has to be partisan. The guy did not say anything in the ad that took away from the tragedy and or demean it.
However, I think Bush has to come out swinging in a more effective ad campaign, pointing out Kerry's inconsistencies, extent of his liberal politics, and traitor like behavior following Vietnam. As moderate as American public is, GWB would be re-elected. On the other hand, if his campaign plays softball, he will follw his dad in one term presidents. |
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| perk |
What I admire even more than the ads themselves is how Bush reacted to the critcism of "some family member of 9/11 victims." Bush could have turned tail and run by pulling the ads and then apologizing. Instead he said no and kept running the ads. Good for him.
Anyone with even a passing awareness of politics knows that very little of what we see and hear during a campaign is what it seems. Hate him or Love him, Bush sticks to what he believes (notice I said "what HE believes" not just what today's poll allegedly indicates). Everyone differs in their opinion on this point, but I have a great fondness for people with personal conviction and the ability to stand firm in the face of adversity. Right now, more than we have in a long while, America desparately needs a president willing to take the heat and stand firm for the right thing. |
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| keremoner |
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Originally posted by perk
What I admire even more than the ads themselves is how Bush reacted to the critcism of "some family member of 9/11 victims." Bush could have turned tail and run by pulling the ads and then apologizing. Instead he said no and kept running the ads. Good for him.
Anyone with even a passing awareness of politics knows that very little of what we see and hear during a campaign is what it seems. Hate him or Love him, Bush sticks to what he believes (notice I said "what HE believes" not just what today's poll allegedly indicates). Everyone differs in their opinion on this point, but I have a great fondness for people with personal conviction and the ability to stand firm in the face of diversity. Right now, more than we have in a long while, America desparately needs a president willing to take the heat and stand firm for the right thing.
You must be a republican! (since no dem in recent memory has had the conviction to back their actions. |
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| zafer |
| If he likes the idea of showing flag draped coffins, he should lift censorship on the ones arriving from Iraq almost on a daily bases. |
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| perk |
| That was a good article. Admittedly, I don't read Slate very often because they have a generally unapologetic liberal stance on virtually every topic. But I must say that I admire the approach of Mr. Saletan. He is honest and direct about both candidates and he offers a reasonable way for his man Kerry to beat Bush. I don't agree with much of what he says, but he shows character and intelligence and that is nearly always absent during the political discourse of a campaign. |
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| Blackura |
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Originally posted by perk
Bush could have turned tail and run by pulling the ads and then apologizing. Instead he said no and kept running the ads. Good for him.
So much for "compassionate" conservatism, eh? Open that wound again! And again and again! Pour some salt on that wound! Then *refuse to apologize* to the grieving families... and keep pouring the salt on, even heavier. Amazing.
I wonder if the people running his campaign have any human feelings at all. Haven't they ever lost a loved one? How would they feel seeing their loved one die over and over and over... and then years later have somebody else trying to benefit their own personal cause by doing so?
Compassionate my ass. |
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| perk |
| According to my understanding, precious few of the "grieving families" had any problem with the ad. A few, very vocal, politically motivated few were the ones raising all the ruckus. I admire GW for not bowing down to the noisy minority. Compassionate does not mean gutless and stupid. |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by perk
According to my understanding, precious few of the "grieving families" had any problem with the ad. A few, very vocal, politically motivated few were the ones raising all the ruckus. I admire GW for not bowing down to the noisy minority. Compassionate does not mean gutless and stupid.
I have to side with perk on this one ( as much as it hurts me to do so!! :p )..throughout history we have had constant reminders of painful events that affected americans from wars to all kinds of tragedies be they natural disasters or Columbine, Oklahoma City bombing, both WTC attacks, etc. etc.
You can take it as a reminder of how americans died and the reaction of our leaders, or you can take it as a 'cheap shot' to gain votes. I seriously doubt most americans are surprised because it is something the present administration had to deal with, a large part of Bush's early term in office. And it certainly changed the government's priorities. |
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| perk |
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Originally posted by DaleB
I have to side with perk on this one ( as much as it hurts me to do so!! :p
Oh come now. It didn't hurt that much now did it? :D
Perhaps you can tell me how its done so that I can now brainwash my wife into agreeing with me once in a while. :whip: |
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| keremoner |
The best example of why we need legal reforms. No one could say this wasn't a huge tragedy, but the lawyers got a hold of the whole thing and taxpayers had to pay the obscene settlement to the families. I remember how the families were going on talk shows and crying for their share of the free ride. If I get struck by a car crossing the street, how will my family be better of than the 9/11 families? The end result will be the same.
Personal responsibility ,like carrying enough life insurance, means nothing anymore. Libs like to bring up health care cost but no legal reforms (since they are in the pocket of trial lawyers lobby). Do you realize that frivilous law suits cost to the tune of 25% of all you pay (health care premiums, all sorts of insurance, daily prices of goods and services)? |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by perk
Perhaps you can tell me how its done so that I can now brainwash my wife into agreeing with me once in a while. :whip:
If I was that smart, I would never had to have worked for a living! |
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| keremoner |
| Why wouldn't firms/jobs going to India when it has become so unreasonably expensive to hire Americans due to insurance costs. |
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| BaldEagle |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Why wouldn't firms/jobs going to India when it has become so unreasonably expensive to hire Americans due to insurance costs.
And don't forget "high taxation".
When you look at companies outsourcing they do so because of cost savings. In an ever increasing global economy keeping costs down is critical to being competitive. Most think of lower wages but rarely have I heard anyone mention taxes. Ever heard of a company moving a plant to a country with high taxes....? |
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| keremoner |
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Originally posted by BaldEagle
And don't forget "high taxation".
When you look at companies outsourcing they do so because of cost savings. In an ever increasing global economy keeping costs down is critical to being competitive. Most think of lower wages but rarely have I heard anyone mention taxes. Ever heard of a company moving a plant to a country with high taxes....?
Right you are. If we were more patriotic, we'd be buying American made and paying twice as much for the goods. Even the most liberal here, who'd stop free trade and place restrictions on free enterprise system, has price as one of their primary concerns when shopping. Just an assumption but I'd be willing to bet on it. |
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| BaldEagle |
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Originally posted by jswift2000
Has anyone seen the recent pres bush add where he has a clip or two of 9/11 in the commercial? Is he an idiot? Oh wait... I already know that answer. :32:
I just wanned to hear what everyones take on that commercial is.
Jeff
Interesting how Republican politicians are labeled as being mentally challenged. Think back to Ronald Reagan, Dan Quayle, and now Bush. Can anyone name one Democrat that has been stuck with the "not bright" label?
Is this evidence of a non-diverse mainstream press (mostly democrats) or something else? I think Republicans would eagerly attempt to do this, probably have tried, but can't seem to get the labels to stick because of the mainstream press bias. Look how easy it would have been to badge AlGore as being Dumb: "I invented the internet, yuk, yuk..." "Love Story, a book inspired by me and Tipper, yuk yuk....." "I wasn't in the room when fund raising was dissused....drank too much ice tee and had to pee..."(sound familiar, remember Forrest Gump)
Calling Bush an idiot is not being fair IMHO. By the way Jeff do you mean "Bush Ads"??? Or are you trying to "add" to the Bush is an idiot myth??? |
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