| 2k3bluex |
I did this for like a second and a half not realizing the car already
started. What kind of damage can this cause?
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| DaleB |
Maybe some wear on the starter and/or flywheel gear. It happens several times in the normal life of a car without problems.
Just don't do it again and probably nothing will happen.
I don't think I had a car where I did not do it at least once. Nothing ever happened. Worse thing would be knocking some teeth off the edge of the flywheel. You will know when that happens because the starter will keep turning freely and the engine will not budge. Don't worry about it...JUST DON'T DO IT AGAIN!!!
Get in the habit of checking the tach if you think it might still be running to be sure. |
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| vicpai |
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Originally posted by DaleB
....................Get in the habit of checking the tach if you think it might still be running to be sure.
.....but for people like me, I may not even realize I'm starting the car as my mind is wandering somewhere else!.......have you heard of the word ABSENT-MINDED ;) .....and I'm only 30 years old! God knows what will happen when I get older :(
Actually the times that I'm "present-minded" :D , I always do check the tach because on some of these cars nowadays the engine is so silent you virtually cannot tell if you didn't have a tach to tell you what was going on under the hood!! |
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| BaldEagle |
| Easy to do, the engine is very quiet at idle. I did it once shortly after I got my MDX. |
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| srpbep |
| IMHO, the best cure is listening to the "music" that is made when attenpting to start the already running engine. |
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| Dale MDX |
| It would seem like a simple matter to put in an interlock, where the starter wouldn't work if the engine were running. Some cars have that. |
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| srpbep |
DaleB ... Hmmmmm .... I suspect that your local Acura dealer would respond with something like:
(1) This is a design feature ... provides you with audible confirmation that the engine is already running in case you disbelieve the tach.
(2) If this were included, it would add $736.52 to the cost of the vehicle.
(3) Such a feature reduces the market for replacement starters and flywheels. This naturally has a negative impact on the economy as jobs are lost.
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| DaleB |
Well, it's interesting. I don't know if any car makers have really addressed the problem. Everyone does it at some time or another. And yes, the X as well as many modern cars idles very quietly.
It seems there was one make that required you to turn the key off before you could start it again.
That was many years ago. Maybe it was an italian car, where the starter was foolproof but everything else on the car fell apart.
It seems it would be a simple change, but there must be so few cars with expensive problems due to people doing it, that it's not worth the bother. |
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| vicpai |
......Yeah, there goes my "absent mind" again! :D . I should've mentioned that....
....the new TOYOTA 4RUNNER and it's more expensive twin the LEXUS GX470 have a feature to address exactly this very issue. It's called "STARTER HOLD DISABLE" or something like that. Once you start the vehicle you can turn the ignition switch as many times as you want and NOTHING HAPPENS. I just remembered this. The sales manager at Toyota who gave me a test drive was "showing off" this feature to me (and I had read it in the brochure as well)
FYI, the V8 engine in the new 4Runner is so EEIRLY QUIET that even if you try very very hard sometimes you just cannot hear it idle!!! |
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| DaleB |
| :29: There ya go! Others should adopt it eventually. |
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| vicpai |
here's the excerpt:
"Both the V8 and V6 also feature a cranking hold system whereby the starter is no longer controlled by the starter switch. The crank control system keeps the starter engaged from the time the ignition switch is turned on until complete combustion is detected. This helps prevent starter overrun, boosting the reliability of the starting system and freeing the driver from holding the key in the start position until the engine turns over."
see under "EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE" in the link below:
http://pressroom.toyota.com/photo_l...d=20044runner_r |
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| phins2rt |
My 96 Grand Caravan had this feature, too.:rolleyes:
Of course my starter was starting to go before I sold it. |
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| MoogieBoogie |
When my other car was stock, I brought it into the dealership for a simple oil change. When the guy went to go pull the car up to the door for me, he kept turning the key even though the car was already on. I had to run to him screaming "stop it you dumb $#$(%$)" In any case, I haven't noticed any damage that was caused by this retard.
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| tonsaphun |
For those of you interested in adding an alarm that will also prevent you from cranking it while the car is running.......get he compustar alarm. I only know this one has it because I have one. I'm sure other alarms would have it too. With the CompuStar, you will get incredible range (1/2 mile), 2-way pager (even vibrates), remote start, and the usual alarm modes. Just wanted to throw it out there that you can add that feature instead of trading your X for a Toyota.
BTW, I do not work for CompuStar.:4: |
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| ByeByeChrysler |
Add a few loud kids in the back, and this can happen quite often,
its not being absent minded, but rather loud distractions.
I'm sure sooner or later, it will happen to me too. |
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| Oh_My_Baby |
Add one more feature to the future model's wish list:
1. Automatically disable ignition switch when the engine is already running.
2. In other thread, I had the automatic door lock when the car is started. |
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| ELP_JC |
VW has had the physical lock for ages (can't turn the key past 'on' without turning it to 'off' first), including the golfs; can't be that expensive.
It happened to me once because I turned off the engine, stepped down for a moment, and 'somebody' inside decided to turn the A/C on after all.
Now that I see this subject, will inquire if our starter has the 'one way' clutch, which means even though the sound is nasty, the bendix just 'freewheels' since the 'flywheel' is turning faster than the crank can. When the crank is motionless, the starter spins it.
I'd be extremely surprised if this isn't the case, because besides knocking teeth off the 'flywheel', you could burn the starter motor in a heartbeat even with ONE mishap.
My guess is cars have either the 'one way' clutch OR the interlock (or both), meaning no damage to the system. I can't believe for a second manufacturers don't think that happens to most owners.
As somebody said, just watch the tach next time; I'll do the same when somebody is inside my cars.
Good day. |
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