| BlueStreak |
I've followed a couple posts here and have been trying to educate myself on LCD, Plasma, DLP, etc. As I mentioned in a previous post, my basement remodel project is almost complete and I'm starting to fill it. So it's time for the big screen and I saw this unit. I saw it in person and the picture looked awesome.
For those of you who are more of an expert than I, what do you think of this? http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...ctSKU=KF60WE610 |
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| cycler15 |
I have the KF-42WE610, which is the 42" model.
My decision basically came down to the Sony or the Samsung DLP. At the time, the Samsung was $700 more ($2800 versus $3500, although Circuit City now has the Samsung for $3000). Also, I use the TV for video games, and the Sony LCD will not have an issue with image burn in, like the DLP will.
So far, I love the TV. It's about 18" deep and only around 64 pounds. The picture quality is excellent with a progressive scan dvd player. LOTR looks amazing. I also read that the Sony has better picture quality than others if you are watching regular cable and not HD. IMHO, this is the best tv out there for the money.
You'll have to browse this forum for more technical information...
www.avsforum.com |
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| edepa |
Costco now has the Samsung dlp and I think it is around $2650 give or take a 100.
I went with a Panasonic 45" rear projection hdtv lcd recently. I picked it up just as it was being discontinued, probably due to the outer space design it had. That worked well for me, as I am putting it in a corner wall unit and didn't want speakers on the side like many projection tv's have (samsung doesn't, sony does) so I could minimize the overall width for the screen size and still keep it as deep into the corner for the new wall unit we are having made as possible. I guess the clincher was when I got it for $1800 and loaded in the MDX and took it home on the spot, no deliver charge, weight only about 95 pounds. I'm very happy with this panasonic and think lcd projection works very well, with no screen burn in either. I didn't think the dlp has burn in problems either, I thought the plasma did.
Happy shopping.:2: |
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| ndahbar |
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Originally posted by cycler15
I have the KF-42WE610, which is the 42" model.
My decision basically came down to the Sony or the Samsung DLP. At the time, the Samsung was $700 more ($2800 versus $3500, although Circuit City now has the Samsung for $3000). Also, I use the TV for video games, and the Sony LCD will not have an issue with image burn in, like the DLP will.
So far, I love the TV. It's about 18" deep and only around 64 pounds. The picture quality is excellent with a progressive scan dvd player. LOTR looks amazing. I also read that the Sony has better picture quality than others if you are watching regular cable and not HD. IMHO, this is the best tv out there for the money.
You'll have to browse this forum for more technical information...
www.avsforum.com
I'm no expert (but trust me, by XMas time I will be), but what I know FOR SURE is that you are incorrect about the comment on DLP's being affected by image burn-in. Not all all. That's plasma.
DLP will own the market, you will see. Wait till the HD2+ and HD3 chips from TI come out. We're talking awesome contrast ratio, higher reliability, perfect black pixels, lower prices...
I am getting DLP for sure, in about the Xmas time frame. Nothing else will do, ESPECIALLY cuz DLP is the ONLY one of the new technologies that can be viewed from ANY angle nicely. Plasma and LCD are HORRIBLE, you have to sit right in front of it to see clearly. NO WAY JOSE. :1: |
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| R Stevens |
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Originally posted by ndahbar
Plasma and LCD are HORRIBLE, you have to sit right in front of it to see clearly. NO WAY JOSE. :1:
ndahbar,
I have to disagree. One of the advantages of plasma is the very wide viewing angle. I have a 50" Pioneer Elite HD plasma. The picture quality is exceptional at any angle. |
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| laborlitigator |
| Oops. . . yeah, it's for Samsung employees/family only. |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Oops. . . yeah, it's for Samsung employees/family only.
Should be able to find the same model on the regular samsung site. |
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| BlueStreak |
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Originally posted by DaleB
If the blackest blacks are not a priority then there are some great non-CRT displays out there.
For me, I rather wait for this...
http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/iel/iel123.html
Dale - I know you've favored this technology for a while now. The problem is with about all electronics, what you buy today will be obsolete in a very short number of years, and in some cases less than a year. Whether computer, monitor, TV, stereo, cell phone, etc. When the LCoS technology is ready we'll all be talking about the next set of improvements.
I have found one item of interest - prices are all over the map. I called BestBuy on the Sony unit I metioned earlier and the price dropped $400 in less than 1 week. Then you start the price matching game, get an extra 10% of the difference, etc. This makes deciding even more difficult.
But since this is for my basement/game room, I still have an opportunity for the LCoS set for upstairs when that technology is ready and affordable. |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by BlueStreak
Dale - I know you've favored this technology for a while now. The problem is with about all electronics, what you buy today will be obsolete in a very short number of years, and in some cases less than a year. Whether computer, monitor, TV, stereo, cell phone, etc. When the LCoS technology is ready we'll all be talking about the next set of improvements.
I have found one item of interest - prices are all over the map. I called BestBuy on the Sony unit I metioned earlier and the price dropped $400 in less than 1 week. Then you start the price matching game, get an extra 10% of the difference, etc. This makes deciding even more difficult.
But since this is for my basement/game room, I still have an opportunity for the LCoS set for upstairs when that technology is ready and affordable.
Of course, things become continually obsolete. But this promises to be a less expensive technology to begin with. Giving it an advantage from the start. Now, we don't know how much better it will be, or if it will, and of course when it is released the others will also be cheaper, as well better. I guess I am not looking to get a new display until the video quality is about as it will get compared to present CRT technology, which is still superior in some aspects.
I don't think we will have to wait too long. |
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by ndahbar
I am getting DLP for sure, in about the Xmas time frame. Nothing else will do, ESPECIALLY cuz DLP is the ONLY one of the new technologies that can be viewed from ANY angle nicely. Plasma and LCD are HORRIBLE, you have to sit right in front of it to see clearly. NO WAY JOSE. :1:
I can view my Sony Rear Projection LCD from almost any angle with no wash out. |
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| Ceenit |
For the money, the rear projection DLP's are the best overall value and performance.
We have a 65" rear projection Mitzubishi in the movie room, a 42" Sony Plasma in the den, and a new 20" Samsung in the upstairs room off the Master. (I'm a tech junkie)...All produce excellent pictures for HD and DVD. If you have just regular cable, then the picture is relatively poor when compared to a standard CRT unit.
Time will tell on the Plasma and LCD units, the prices have been cut in less that half over the past 3 years and are continueing to go down. And the WOW factor of the ultra thin screens are very nice....
But again, if you have the room, or the TV is going to be built into an entertainment center, rear projection is the best value and very good performance.
Note: I've had the Sony Plasma for about three years now and have not had any issues with burn in on the display. IMO, Sony is one of the best names for home audio and video equipment. |
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| bzboy |
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Originally posted by Ceenit
For the money, the rear projection DLP's are the best overall value and performance.
But again, if you have the room, or the TV is going to be built into an entertainment center, rear projection is the best value and very good performance.
I agree with Ceenit. I did side by side comparisons of rear projection and plasma and they are about the same in picture quality but saves you lots of bucks.
One thing i did learn about plasma tv. If you live at altitude (for instance colorado springs 6500ft) make sure you have an altitude adjusted plasma tv. The gas between the two glass panels can expand if not adjusted for high altitude and can warp the screen.
Just my two cents :D |
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| ndahbar |
Uh, I agree that the new HD2+ and xHD3-based DLP TV's are gonna be the best, but uhm, we're talking a minimum of $3500 (42 inch).
Uh, that's a lot of dough for a TV. I don't see why that's a better value than say a Sony Grand Wega 42 inch LCD TV which can be obtained for near 2000 bucks. |
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| mgtr |
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Originally posted by bzboy
I agree with Ceenit. I did side by side comparisons of rear projection and plasma and they are about the same in picture quality but saves you lots of bucks.
One thing i did learn about plasma tv. If you live at altitude (for instance colorado springs 6500ft) make sure you have an altitude adjusted plasma tv. The gas between the two glass panels can expand if not adjusted for high altitude and can warp the screen.
Just my two cents :D
I agree 100%. I have a 65" Mitsubishi RPTV (in a dedicated room) and the PQ is spectacular- all for $2300. My friends with "tiny" 42 and 50 inch plasmas are jeallous. But, they say, look at how much room it takes it. True, I say, but I have the room. That is really the key - if you have the room, you can't beat RPTV for PQ/$. If you don't have the room (as I do not at my new place in Florida), then you have to play a different game altogether, and likely spend a lot more to get the same PQ. |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by mgtr
I agree 100%. I have a 65" Mitsubishi RPTV (in a dedicated room) and the PQ is spectacular- all for $2300. My friends with "tiny" 42 and 50 inch plasmas are jeallous. But, they say, look at how much room it takes it. True, I say, but I have the room. That is really the key - if you have the room, you can't beat RPTV for PQ/$. If you don't have the room (as I do not at my new place in Florida), then you have to play a different game altogether, and likely spend a lot more to get the same PQ.
Good assessment. Properly calibrated CRT based sets still look fantastic on prime DVD material. A standard to beat. |
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| mogur |
In the SD world, that is true. In the HD world it is not. CRT's simply can not present the resolution that a HD DLP or the like can. For example, most CRT projection units use 7" CRTs. To get true HD resolution, you need 9" CRTs. There are a few that use them (like Runco) but they are very expensive. Then there is the consideration that any CRT set starts deteriorating the instant you first turn it on whereas DLP or the like maintains essentially constant picture quality throughout its life.
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Originally posted by DaleB
Good assessment. Properly calibrated CRT based sets still look fantastic on prime DVD material. A standard to beat.
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by mogur
In the SD world, that is true. In the HD world it is not. CRT's simply can not present the resolution that a HD DLP or the like can. For example, most CRT projection units use 7" CRTs. To get true HD resolution, you need 9" CRTs. There are a few that use them (like Runco) but they are very expensive. Then there is the consideration that any CRT set starts deteriorating the instant you first turn it on whereas DLP or the like maintains essentially constant picture quality throughout its life.
Interesting. I did not think DLPs produce the necessary black levels to the ultimate degree CRTs do. And what about direct-view CRTs, HD capable (Wega XBR, Lowes, etc.), would that still hold true? |
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| DaleB |
I know both Samsung and Philips make RPTVs that use 9" CRTs. Not cheap either.
One huge advantage of non-CRT based systems, is virtually no geometric distortion. |
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| mogur |
The current generation DLPs, HD2+ and HD3 with seven segment color wheels and 12 bit processing, produce a contrast range and blacks that rivals most CRTs and surpasse many.
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Originally posted by DaleB
Interesting. I did not think DLPs produce the necessary black levels to the ultimate degree CRTs do. And what about direct-view CRTs, HD capable (Wega XBR, Lowes, etc.), would that still hold true?
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by mogur
The current generation DLPs, HD2+ and HD3 with seven segment color wheels and 12 bit processing, produce a contrast range and blacks that rivals most CRTs and surpasse many.
Interesting! Well, I have not kept up with the latest developments.
Not ready to make any moves soon.. but next year could be it. |
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