| msu79gt82 |
... the bullpen :confused: In all 4 playoff losses, the Astro starters left the game with the lead !!
PS: I agree about the rain, game should have been postponed (MLB used to do that). |
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| mullysalt |
Is the Astros bullpen so bad because Munro and Backe have to start instead of Miller and Pettitte? What did they get for Billy Wagner?
Wasn't Dotel(gas can as a closer but not a bad setup man) part of the Beltran deal?
It seems as though through injury and trades the Astros are left with very little in the bully besides Lidge who is amazing by the way. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
Garner not bringing in Lidge to pitch to the heart of the Cards order in the 8th inning.
Redbirds flying high up 2-0. Yanks rolling @ 2-0. Lets see if these teams that are down 0-2 can come back and make things interesting.
Yup. Sox bats have been far to quiet thus far. I would suspect that the Sox will take at least 2 out of 3 in Boston, then its off to NY for the last two, where anything can happen.
While I do NOT believe it will happen, wouldn't it be fun for the Sox to win 3 in Boston...and have Pedro close it out in NY. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
Is the Astros bullpen so bad because Munro and Backe have to start instead of Miller and Pettitte? What did they get for Billy Wagner?
Wasn't Dotel(gas can as a closer but not a bad setup man) part of the Beltran deal?
It seems as though through injury and trades the Astros are left with very little in the bully besides Lidge who is amazing by the way.
Yes Dotel was given up for Beltran; a move we can't complain about, but it did hurt the bullpen. Can you even imagine a healthy Pettite and Miller :eek: Qualls and Wheeler are OK, the other guys are erratic. The bullpen was phenominal down the stretch by the way, but the inconsistency means it was not going to last forever. This is not a "wait-until-next-year" statement (yet); but I think Backe is going to develop into a special player :cool: :1:
The Astros more or less unloaded Wagner; salary reasons and he trashed the owner at the end of last years season (they really had no choice after his comments). They got Brandon Duckworth, and minor league right-handers Taylor Buchholz and Ezequiel Astacio for him. |
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| Gladiator |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Yup. Sox bats have been far to quiet thus far. I would suspect that the Sox will take at least 2 out of 3 in Boston, then its off to NY for the last two, where anything can happen.
While I do NOT believe it will happen, wouldn't it be fun for the Sox to win 3 in Boston...and have Pedro close it out in NY.
If the game gets rained out tonight, Pedro can pitch game 5 but do you still trust him ? |
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| 04mdx4sq |
| Cards / Astros game last night was awesome, it was cold and rainy here, but it was worth a little chill to be at a game like that! I hear the tv cameras gave the impression it was raining harder than it was, mostly just drizzle. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by Gladiator
If the game gets rained out tonight, Pedro can pitch game 5 but do you still trust him ?
After forcing the NLCS Game 2 last night, MLB better NOT allow a rainout in the ALCS!! Astros could have used a rain day and it WAS raining!! |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by Gladiator
If the game gets rained out tonight, Pedro can pitch game 5 but do you still trust him ?
Absolutely.
He pitched well enough to win game 2. Problem was, Lieber did as well. |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Absolutely.
He pitched well enough to win game 2. Problem was, Lieber did as well.
Lieber actually pitched better and surprised everyone.
I hear Pedro is making a giant Happy Father's Day card to send to the Yankees! :2: (Sorry. Couldn't resist!) |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by MDteX
Lieber actually pitched better and surprised everyone.
He was outstanding.
It will be interesting to see if he can repeat that performance in game 5 or 6.
And yes, I think there will be a game 6. |
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| mullysalt |
quote:
Originally posted by msu79gt82
After forcing the NLCS Game 2 last night, MLB better NOT allow a rainout in the ALCS!! Astros could have used a rain day and it WAS raining!!
I was going to let this go but as long as the crying about the conditions of last nights game goes on then I'm going to comment on what I saw. Both teams played in it, Bagwell and Biggio looked like little sissies crying about the weather before the game. Biggio could see his breath and Bagwell looked towards the sky from the dugout, it looked like he was going to cry.
Luckily, Beltran went out and showed those sissies no matter the weather it was time to play ball.
Finally, where I live we call that drizzle. That was not rain if it was raining they would have stopped the game.
P.S.-What do Brad Lidge and I have in common? We both have played the same amount in the NLCS. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
I was going to let this go but as long as the crying about the conditions of last nights game goes on then I'm going to comment on what I saw.
Who's crying? Did you read about me crying? I only commented in response to a post about an ALCS rainout (MLB better exercise some consistency). It was not too many years ago however that this game would have been a rainout. |
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| Maik |
From the National Weather Service:
AS MUCH AS AN INCH AND A HALF OF RAIN MAY FALL WITHIN FOUR HOURS. THIS MAY CAUSE LOCALIZED STREET FLOODING... ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE FALLEN LEAVES HAVE CLOGGED DRAINS. SHARP RISES IN SMALLER RIVERS AND STREAMS ARE LIKELY... BUT ALL RIVERS AND STREAMS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN WITHIN THEIR BANKS.
SOME OF THE HEAVIER SHOWERS AND POSSIBLE THUNDERSTORMS MAY PRODUCE WIND GUSTS TO 40 MPH... ESPECIALLY ACROSS RHODE ISLAND AND EASTERN MASSACHUSETTS. THIS COULD BE STRONG ENOUGH TO BRING DOWN TREE LIMBS IN A FEW LOCATIONS... AND CAUSE ISOLATED POWER OUTAGES.
THE HEAVIEST RAIN AND STRONGEST WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO OCCUR BETWEEN 10 PM AND 2 AM... WITH IMPROVING CONDITIONS THEREAFTER. THE CULPRIT FOR THE STORMY WEATHER WILL BE LOW PRESSURE DEVELOPING OFF THE NEW JERSEY COAST THIS EVENING. THIS LOW WILL INTENSIFY RAPIDLY AS IT TRACKS NORTH THROUGH EASTERN CONNECTICUT... CENTRAL MASSACHUSETTS AND THEN INTO NORTHERN NEW ENGLAND OVERNIGHT....
I would suspect that tonites game may be in jepardy. If it is cancelled, I think the Sox benefit in that Pedro could go in game 4 |
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| mullysalt |
| I read that announcement as well. No ballgame tonight. :( |
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| mullysalt |
The weather last night in St. Louis was playable, the weather tonight in Boston looks like it will be unplayable. The radar last night showed a system moving out of the St. Louis area and winding down, just the opposite is true tonight for the Boston area.
:( :crying: :( |
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| 04mdx4sq |
| As I said before, we had drizzle in St. Louis last night. To give you an idea of how light it was, it was consistently coming down for 11+ hours, we ended up with a whopping 4/10 of an inch at the stadium. Sounds like the ALCS is going to see real rain. |
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| Gladiator |
| Seems like it's gonna be a loooong game between the Yanks and sox. :( |
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| Maik |
Stick a fork in the Sox, they are done.
The curse continues.
Gotta hand it to the Yanks, its not even close.
On to the Pats game...#20!?!? |
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| mullysalt |
My goodness I thought the Boston marathon was in the Spring? I guessing that today the Sox will start Lowe against El Duque. Good luck.
Clemens and Lidge were brilliant and that was half the equation that the Astros needed to even the series. Today it's Oswalt vs. Marquis, don't sleep on Jason, he has pitched very well for the Cards this year. Roy will be on it but I think Marquis will keep the Cards in the game. LaRussa can think about giving Beltran the intentional pass anytime. If the 'Stros can go Oswalt to Lidge then the sereis will be tied. Oswalt must go eight because Lidge did throw 40+ pitches yesterday. |
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| laborlitigator |
| Maybe next year Bosox. . . |
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| laborlitigator |
K,
Looks like the best offense in baseball can't keep up with the 2nd best one. . . |
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| Maik |
Looks like there is life after death after all.
The Sox are going down swinging. If Pedro can win tonite at Fenway...and Schilling can pitch game 6....oh oh, could we be seeing one of the greatest combacks in sports???
At least its getting fun.
Gotta love Ortiz...he is one of those players who is at his best when the game is on the line. |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
K,
Looks like the best offense in baseball can't keep up with the 2nd best one. . .
Last nights win was just a little bump on the road for the Yanks. Sox have an inferiority complex when it comes to important games with NYY. Yankee players go there to win pennants whereas Sox players do not have the same drive in them. The only two ways that things will change is either when Steinbrenner dies or buys the Sox organization. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Last nights win was just a little bump on the road for the Yanks. Sox have an inferiority complex when it comes to important games with NYY. Yankee players go there to win pennants whereas Sox players do not have the same drive in them. The only two ways that things will change is either when Steinbrenner dies or buys the Sox organization.
Yee of little faith.
It aint ovah til its ovah.
We are experiencing life after death....who knows? |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Looks like there is life after death after all.
The Sox are going down swinging. If Pedro can win tonite at Fenway...and Schilling can pitch game 6....oh oh, could we be seeing one of the greatest combacks in sports???
At least its getting fun.
Gotta love Ortiz...he is one of those players who is at his best when the game is on the line.
Knowing the Bosox, they'll win Games 5 & 6. . . then, they'll be leading in the Game 7, 5-0 going into the bottom of the 9th. . .
And they'll break your hearts again.
As an aside, Joe should stop with these 2 inning saves for Rivera. Gordon should have been pitching in the 8th. |
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| keremoner |
baseball in 48 hours. Now lets see how Schilling does. Lieber wasn't that great himself, so if Schilling can pull out a miracle, Yanks might be in trouble with Brown going in game 7.
However, I won't dare dream. Lets take it one game at a time. |
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| msu79gt82 |
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playo...yson&id=1904835
Missing out on a true gem
By Jayson Stark ESPN.com
HOUSTON -- It will go right up there with the greatest October pitching performances no one ever saw.
Next to Walter Johnson in 1925. And Christy Mathewson in 1905. And all those other guys who forgot to wait for the invention of the satellite dish.
As 99.8 percent of America watched some game in Boston on an unforgettable baseball Monday in October, a postseason classic was unfolding in Texas -- before the eyes of, well, just about no one. |
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| mullysalt |
It was on FX here but I know not many people have FX so I imagine it was a mad scramble to catch the game. Fox are a bunch of jerks. I am so tired of 10 hour baseball games. As the NY/Bos game was unfolding I noticed we were two hours in and it was still the 5th inning. Does Fox stuff extra commercials in between innings?
Anyways, back to baseball, what a performance by both teams.
Beltran is simply amazing. The Cards now have their hands very full in trying to win games 6 & 7.
Who would you start in game 6 for the Astros, msu? |
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| msu79gt82 |
Of course they aired the game live on FOX in Houston and St. Louis. I did not know it was being carried on FX until the last inning. My boys in college found out in the 8th inning it was on FX :3: They could have done a better job of making that known.
Of course it was NOT Fox's fault the game went into extra innings, but it would not have been the first time a network switched games mid-stream. The Houston-St. Louis game was supposed to be shown nationally and was even delayed 30 minutes. FOX could have switched at any time. Sure Sox/Yank fans would have been pissed (and they could have made numerous announcements to ALCS fans the game was moved to FX), but a responsible network owed all fans the best game. And as the ESPN article pointed out that game will go down as one of the all-time BEST Fall Classics :1:
I concede a tough call for FOX, but many fans (and commentators) feel they made the wrong one.
See also: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=241018118
Pitching suddenly took over these playoffs Monday night, when Backe and Williams hooked up in one of the greatest October duels -- only four hits in all, the fewest ever in a postseason game. ... Each team had only one single until the final inning. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
Who would you start in game 6 for the Astros, msu?
Tough call. Pete Munro had an excellent outing in Game 2. The loss was NOT his fault. Houston does not have to win Game 6; they only want to. I believe they can win with Munro, especially IF the bats produce. If they do not then they can start a rested Clemens in Game 7; with Oswalt as the middle reliever if necessary. Backe could even throw (it would be his off day workout anyway - might as well workout on the mound). A very interesting option. In Game 7 they start Clemens (rested), follow with Oswalt, Backe, and Lidge. :eek:
However should Munro lose, it could be a huge psychological jolt; and anything can happen in a One Game Series. Clearly Garner is considering this or else he would not have postponed his announcement. I really like Munro starting Game 6. |
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| keremoner |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by msu79gt82
[B] Sure Sox/Yank fans would have been pissed (and they could have made numerous announcements to ALCS fans the game was moved to FX), but a responsible network owed all fans the best game. And as the ESPN article pointed out that game will go down as one of the all-time BEST Fall Classics :1:
I concede a tough call for FOX, but many fans (and commentators) feel they made the wrong one.
The best game was the Houston game? You've been a NL fan too long. In the AL, we prefer action packed games to boring pitching duels. Next to the only real rivalry in baseball (Yanks / Sox), Houston-St Louis games can NEVER be considered a better or more sought after matc-up.
Sorry to open your eyes to that fact. |
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| mullysalt |
It was an amazing pitching duel that doesn't deserve you banging on it so back off Game 5 of the NLCS. The world doesn't revolve around the east coast, the people who live there just think it does.
Personally, I perfer games like the NLCS game 5 to the ALCS game 5, even though I have a rooting interest in the Cardinals.
6 hour games suck. The people in stands don't even look like they want to be there after the third hour.
Just my.02
P.S.-If Carlos Beltran's diving catch last night wasn't enough action for you then you've watched too many six hour snoozefests. |
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| laborlitigator |
| The notice of the Houston game being on FOX was displayed several times throughout the Yankee game. Can't recall how many since I was enthralled with the game. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
The best game was the Houston game? You've been a NL fan too long. In the AL, we prefer action packed games to boring pitching duels. Next to the only real rivalry in baseball (Yanks / Sox), Houston-St Louis games can NEVER be considered a better or more sought after matc-up.
Sorry to open your eyes to that fact.
Open your eyes - all the media baseball experts are calling that game a Classic for the ages. All time records were set, things only seen once before in the history of baseball were done, things not seen in over 50 years were accomplished. WE are not talking rivalries here are are talking about Great Games! ALCS Game 5 will be forgotten soon (it will never be considered an all time classic - read the commentaries today!); NLCS Game 5 will be on the All-Time Classics lists forever. Open your eyes - sorry you missed one of the all time greatest games. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
The notice of the Houston game being on FOX was displayed several times throughout the Yankee game. Can't recall how many since I was enthralled with the game.
Did you mean FX; Sox-Yanks was on FOX nationally. We did not see any announcements of the other game was on FX. Thats part of my beef - they could have done a better job of that. Or just switch to the NLCS Game which was supposed to be shown nationally. Hey I got to see the game. IF FOX switched Sox-Yanks fans could have seen their game as well. It seems to me (and most commentators) that the rest of the nation might have liked to see a Classic. |
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| laborlitigator |
Yes, I meant that they flashed on the screen that it would be on "FX" and not FOX. I noticed it a few times.
It was hard for them to cut away from Bosox-Yanks especially when you get Loaiza to pitch the way he did in those last three innings. But I would have loved to have seen that pitchers duel in Houston also.
It was a tough call for them on that. . . two classic baseball games. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
baseball in 48 hours. Now lets see how Schilling does. Lieber wasn't that great himself, so if Schilling can pull out a miracle, Yanks might be in trouble with Brown going in game 7.
However, I won't dare dream. Lets take it one game at a time.
Come on K, I want you to say it. . . say the Sox are gonna do it. . . I want you Bosox fans to start believing again.
You've got Schilling against another washed up Yankees starter. No way this doesn't get to Game 7. . . . come on K. . . this time, they won't let you down. |
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| keremoner |
| the way I see it, Yankees best chance is to wrap it up tonight. They have a better chance with Lieber than with Brown in game 7. I still think that Sox have a difficult task at hand but surely it is more doable now than it was a couple days ago. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
the way I see it, Yankees best chance is to wrap it up tonight. They have a better chance with Lieber than with Brown in game 7. I still think that Sox have a difficult task at hand but surely it is more doable now than it was a couple days ago.
K,
What's going on. . . that doesn't sound like the Sox fan I previously heard. :welcome: |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Knowing the Bosox, they'll win Games 5 & 6. . . then, they'll be leading in the Game 7, 5-0 going into the bottom of the 9th. . .
And they'll break your hearts again.
What did I tell you. Then won Games 5 & 6. At some point the Sox will be leading in Game 7. I guarantee you that.
What a series. . . |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
K,
What's going on. . . that doesn't sound like the Sox fan I previously heard. :welcome:
Getting nervous yet laborlitigator?
Just one observation from the game tonight:
A-Rod showed every Boston fan why he belongs on the Yankees team. If you swat at a ball, I can understand it. However, if you get caught, at least be a stand up guy and don't make an ass of yourself by arguing.
Long and short of it is that he is not a stand up guy and doesn't belong with the Sox team. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Getting nervous yet laborlitigator?
Just one observation from the game tonight:
A-Rod showed every Boston fan why he belongs on the Yankees team. If you swat at a ball, I can understand it. However, if you get caught, at least be a stand up guy and don't make an ass of yourself by arguing.
Long and short of it is that he is not a stand up guy and doesn't belong with the Sox team.
Nervous?! Come on, you forget, you guys are still the Red Sox.
As for A-Rod, it was a busch league play. Yankees don't play like that. |
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| nightguy |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Getting nervous yet laborlitigator?
Just one observation from the game tonight:
A-Rod showed every Boston fan why he belongs on the Yankees team. If you swat at a ball, I can understand it. However, if you get caught, at least be a stand up guy and don't make an ass of yourself by arguing.
Long and short of it is that he is not a stand up guy and doesn't belong with the Sox team.
Yeah and he took Jeter out of scoring position by doing that. The fact that he did it was one thing but the argument was stupid. I noticed when he was finally called out he put his hands behind his head like a little kid does when they've been bad. I can't be sure if the fans were just following the lead of the players in throwing stuff onto the field or if it was directed at Rodriguez for screwing his team.
I used to love the Yankees but now it's win at any cost. Makes me wonder what goes on when there's not 6 umpires on the field and anything else that isn't in view of the cameras. |
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| Mr. Mom |
Whitey Ford (pitcher, Yankees, 1950-67)
Whitey Ford got help from mud, gunk and catchers.
Ford used his wedding ring to cut the ball, or had catcher Elston Howard put a nice slice in it with a buckle on his shin guard. Ford also planted mud pies around the mound and used them to load the ball. He confessed that when pitching against the Dodgers in the 1963 World Series, "I used enough mud to build a dam." He also threw a "gunk ball," which combined a mixture of baby oil, turpentine, and resin. He kept the "gunk" in a roll-on dispenser, which, the story goes, Yogi Berra once mistook for deodorant, gluing his arms to his sides in the process. |
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| Maik |
No matter what happens tonight, this has been a FUN series to watch. The drama has even surpassed last year's series.
For the Sox to have picked themselves up off the mat from the game 3 beating, is truly amazing. A comeback of all comebacks. And if they pull it off tonight....WOW.
Unfortunately, after having watched the Red Sox for the better part of 45 years, I am programed to wait for the dissapointment.
The Red Sox/Yankees are like the Coyote and the Roadrunner... the Sox are the Coyote, and I am waiting for the anvil to fall! |
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| ByeByeChrysler |
WOW!!!!!!
What a series............... |
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| Mr. Mom |
| You have to give Schilling his dues. He was a man while A-rod was a spoiled boy. I hope they can pull it off. |
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| Gladiator |
Congratulations to the Boston Rex sox and their fans for an amazing comeback and a great season, As a huge Yankees fan I won't be rooting for you in the world series but I won't root against you either (simply won't watch).
Yep, I'm conceding the series is what I am saying. :(
I'm out!! |
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| mullysalt |
quote:
Originally posted by msu79gt82
I hope the Asrtos are having this much fun in October. :1:
The fun continues tonight @ Busch. Morris quite frankly scares the heck out of me. Hopefully he can pull it out and set up another game 7.
Schilling was BRILLIANT! Keep believing Sox fans! |
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| keremoner |
What was even more amazing was the surgical procedure Schilling went through to stich his skin to the bone in order to keep the tendon from flapping around. With blood oozing from his socks, he proved to the world that perhaps he has a bigger heart than any other pitcher ever.
If you wanted to script this, you couldn't. He is worth every penny BoSox spent on him, unlike A-Rod's salary.
I am not too crazy about Lowe starting tonight since he pitched 5+ innings on Saturday. I would like to see Wakefield out there to begin the game. However, all pitchers on both teams will be on an extremely short leash tonight. Get ready for a very long game again (with all the pitching changes, mound visits, etc.) |
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| nightguy |
If it's a close or tie game I wonder how soon Torre will bring in Rivera. Surely nobody could have predicted 13 or 14 innings in games 5 and 6 but he essentially wasted him.
I hope the Sox can jump out to an early lead again. The Yankees look scared when that happens, almost like they're playing for their lives. I think Steinbrenner must do something to them if they don't win. :yodaddy: |
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| laborlitigator |
This is the first time I actually could not sleep after a baseball game.
As for the Yankees, I'd want El Duque to start over Brown. But I don't think that's what Torre has in mind. |
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| msu79gt82 |
T’was the day of the game and all through the park
not a Cardinal was stirring, the place was still dark
The dugout was ready, gloves hung with care
In hopes that St Backe would soon be there
The fans were ready, kids had been fed
And visons of winning ran through their head
Garner was waiting, the Astros would come
The LCS was not yet done
Then out on the field the Stros did appear
TVs turned on fans ready to cheer
The line up was set, the umpires had met
St Backe appeared, ready and set
Then out on the field the first pitch was thrown
Strike one called the ump he let it be known
The fans just roared, the walls they rumbled
Strike three from the ump, the cardinals had tumbled
Backe looked up at the white flags flying
No time to give up, we just keep trying
More rapid than rockets, the strikes kept coming
Three Cardinals down, Backe was stunning
The roar of the fans, the smiles on our face
Northing to fear, not in this place
From the top of the 1st to the top of eight
The Astros were patient, Cardinals waiting their fate
Lidge had appeared, in the top of nine
No time to falter, just look at the signs
The Cardinals went down, the B’s started humming
On Biggio, On Bagwell, On Beltran and Berkman
Then Beltran came up, bat ready and waiting
Cardinals in awe, not anticipating
The fire in the drive, the stolen base
The Walk to Berkman, the look on Kents face
As he came to the plate, fire in his eyes
Don’t mess with the Stros, you’ll meet your demise
the pitch neared the plate, Kent raised his bat
One crack it was gone and that was that
The Astros had won, the damage was done,
Meet us in St Louis, we only need one!
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| mullysalt |
Pray for the 'stros to win or next week is poetry week at the old .org.
P.S.-Everyone enjoy the games.:1: |
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| laborlitigator |
Congrats to the Bosox for an amazing comeback!
Good luck in the Series. |
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| Mr. Mom |
| Just have to post this one time. :18: |
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| mullysalt |
That was wicked awesome. The Soxs coming back on the Yanks down 0-3 with Rivera on the mound with a lead in the 9th of game 4 will go down as an all-timer.
P.S.-Tune into the NLCS game 7 tonight. Clemens vs. Suppan. Two former Sox. |
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| Maik |
WOW!
I am still in shock. What an amazing comeback!!!
One of the greatest, if not THE greatest comback in all of sports history. Lets not loose sight of the fact that in game 4, the Sox were down a run in the 9th, with purhaps the greatest closer in the games history on the mound.
I thought Francona managed an amazing series, matching up his pitchers with Yankee hitters. The emotional lift that Schilling gave the team was huge.
But one question remains...D Lowe was mowing down the Yankees...
fairly low pitch count (69), very quiet crowd...WHY put in Pedro??
What a year for Boston sports...the Pats and Bosox. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| Found this over on the infinitifx.org board |
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| msu79gt82 |
A Boston Red Sox fan, a Chicago Cubs fan, and New York Yankees fan were all in Saudi Arabia performing military duty for the U.S. Army. While off base, they were caught sharing a smuggled case of booze. All of a sudden Saudi police rushed in and arrested them. The mere possession of alcohol is a severe offense in Saudi Arabia punishable by death! With the help of good lawyers, they were able to successfully appeal their sentence down to life imprisonment.
By a stroke of luck, a benevolent Sheik decided that they could be released after receiving just 20 lashes of the whip. As they were preparing for their punishment, the Sheik said, "It's my wife's birthday today, and she has asked me to allow each one of you one wish before your whipping."
The Cubs fan was first in line (he had drunk the least), so he thought about this for a while and then said, "Please tie a pillow to my back." This was done, but the pillow only lasted 10 lashes before the whip went through. The Cubs fan was carried away bleeding and crying.
The Yankees fan was up next (he had almost finished an entire fifth of alcohol by himself), and after watching the scene, said "Okay, please affix 2 pillows to my back." But even 2 pillows could only take 15 lashes before the whip went through again, sending the Yankee fan crying unbelievably.
The Red Sox fan was the last up (he had finished off the crate), but before he could say anything, the Sheik turned to him and said "you support the greatest baseball team in the world. Your supporters are the best and most loyal fans in all the world. For this you may have TWO wishes'" "Thanks, your most royal highness" the Red Sox fan replied." In recognition of your kindness, my first wish is that you give me not 20, but 100 lashes."
"Not only are you an honorable, powerful man, you are also very brave," said the Sheik. "If 100 lashes is what you desire, then so be it. And your second wish -- What is it to be?" the Sheik asks. "Tie the Yankees fan to my back." |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by Maik
WOW!
I am still in shock. What an amazing comeback!!!
One of the greatest, if not THE greatest comback in all of sports history. Lets not loose sight of the fact that in game 4, the Sox were down a run in the 9th, with purhaps the greatest closer in the games history on the mound.
I thought Francona managed an amazing series, matching up his pitchers with Yankee hitters. The emotional lift that Schilling gave the team was huge.
But one question remains...D Lowe was mowing down the Yankees...
fairly low pitch count (69), very quiet crowd...WHY put in Pedro??
What a year for Boston sports...the Pats and Bosox.
I was wondering too why they put in Pedro. BTW, since the starting pitching is what caused the Yankees collapse, I can just about guarantee you that George makes a run at Pedro.
Whether he gets him? Go Astros or Cards! |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
I was wondering too why they put in Pedro. BTW, since the starting pitching is what caused the Yankees collapse, I can just about guarantee you that George makes a run at Pedro.
Whether he gets him? Go Astros or Cards!
George may make a run at him, but all it will do is drive up the price.
I would be very shocked to see Pedro in NY. He has publicly stated that he hates the City of NY, that he has been treated rudely by people outside the stadium. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by Maik
George may make a run at him, but all it will do is drive up the price.
I would be very shocked to see Pedro in NY. He has publicly stated that he hates the City of NY, that he has been treated rudely by people outside the stadium.
I still think the Sox have the highest chance of retaining him. However, I've heard the Angels may make a run at him too.
Eitherway, it is all for not if the Sox win the Series (dare I say). |
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| keremoner |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
I was wondering too why they put in Pedro. BTW, since the starting pitching is what caused the Yankees collapse, I can just about guarantee you that George makes a run at Pedro.
Whether he gets him? Go Astros or Cards!
Putting Pedro in just 3 days before he has to pitch the Series opener was dumb if you ask me. God knows what strategy Francona has. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Putting Pedro in just 3 days before he has to pitch the Series opener was dumb if you ask me. God knows what strategy Francona has.
No one ever said that Pedro would pitch game 1. In fact the announced rotation is Wakefield, Schilling and Pedro in game 3.
I thought Francona's managing this series was superb. |
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| Mr. Mom |
| I think Pedro was put in for a little payback for the “Daddy” crap. It backfired. He wasn’t rested enough; I don’t think he would ever play for the Yanks. Too much history. |
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| msu79gt82 |
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Originally posted by Mr. Mom
I think Pedro was put in for a little payback for the “Daddy” crap. It backfired.
That's what I think too; could be potentially devastating in the World Series. His confidence got zero boost and in fact could be down. Also the NL winner knows what happened as well. Bad move in my mind - it was so unnecessary!! |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by msu79gt82
That's what I think too; could be potentially devastating in the World Series. His confidence got zero boost and in fact could be down. Also the NL winner knows what happened as well. Bad move in my mind - it was so unnecessary!!
"potentially devastating" I doubt it.
While I agree that putting Pedro in may have been unecessary, we really do not know the true reason. I really doubt it was to quiet the NY fans or "boost his confidence". Let's give Francona a bit more credit than that.
As a practicle matter, the 20 pitches he threw were less than what he would have thrown on his off day in any event. And while he gave up a couple of meaningless hits, he settled down and threw 95-97 mph after that. I would suggest that Pedro's confidence is not at all lacking, despite the "who's your daddy" crap. |
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| Maik |
| An interesting side note to tonight's game is that both starting pitchers - Clemens and Supan both came up through the Red Sox system, and pitched for the Red Sox. |
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| Gladiator |
Let the true red sox fans enjoy their 15 minutes... they've been waiting for this for a very long time so I can just imagine how excited they must be ( I was the same way when we won in 96') but rest assure GS is going to put a very competitive on the field next year and we'll be doing battle again. ;)
NY Yankees : WE DON'T REBUILD, WE RELOAD!! |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by Gladiator
Let the true red sox fans enjoy their 15 minutes... they've been waiting for this for a very long time so I can just imagine how excited they must be ( I was the same way when we won in 96') but rest assure GS is going to put a very competitive on the field next year and we'll be doing battle again. ;)
NY Yankees : WE DON'T REBUILD, WE RELOAD!!
While I understand that the average Yankee fan has an attention span limited to 15 minutes, I for one, plan to enjoy this for a long time. A World Series win would be a capper, but defeating the Evil Empire in the manner in which it was done, well, that was awesome.
Yankee fans can cry and whine, but the fact remains, they were beaten by a BETTER team! |
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| Gladiator |
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Originally posted by Maik
Stick a fork in the Sox, they are done.
The curse continues.
Gotta hand it to the Yanks, its not even close.
On to the Pats game...#20!?!?
Remember you surrendered the series and now you speak of better team.
RSN has such a big inferiority complex towards us, that beating the mighty YANKEES is better than actually winning the world series. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by Gladiator
Remember you surrendered the series and now you speak of better team.
RSN has such a big inferiority complex towards us, that beating the mighty YANKEES is better than actually winning the world series.
I never surrendered the series. I simply acknowledged the fact that no one had ever come back from 3-0. I certainly did not expect the Red Sox to do it at that time.
And yes, beating the Evil Empire is indeed sweet. But beating them the way it was done was even sweeter.
As that famous philosopher (Bill Parcells) once said " you are what your record says you are". And right now, the Sox will play on while the Yankees can watch on tv! |
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| msu79gt82 |
It was fun while it lasted. Can't blame the pitching (or at least Astro pitching anyway).
Astro bats held to three hits with ZERO by Beltran, Bagwell, Berkman, and Kent :eek:
I'm a National Leaguer all the way - Go Cards :1: |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Sox in 7
I agree it will go 7.
Good thing there are 4 in Boston. Taking Milar out of the lineup, and using Ortiz at 1st base will be a real atvantage to the Cards in St Louis.
Interesting coincidence, I will be in St Louis next week for business.
I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to cleverly disguise the cost of tix in my expense report! |
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| keremoner |
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Originally posted by Maik
I agree it will go 7.
Good thing there are 4 in Boston. Taking Milar out of the lineup, and using Ortiz at 1st base will be a real atvantage to the Cards in St Louis.
Interesting coincidence, I will be in St Louis next week for business.
I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to cleverly disguise the cost of tix in my expense report!
Say that you went to a really expensive business dinner.
BTW, I have a feeling that Sox will lose one in Boston but will make it up by winning one in StL. |
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| 04mdx4sq |
| It's a great time to be in St. Louis! Can't wait for the series to start. Should be great games, two awesome teams with a lot of heart. |
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