| Maik |
Any of you who feed your pets these brands of pet food, may want to check out this website:
http://www.iamscruelty.com/
I was sickened and amazed that this situation exists.
We just switched to a natural pet food and the dogs and cats really seem to love the stuff. |
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| renov8r |
There is a long, sordid history of people attacking P&G. While the situations listed may or may not have happened, the fact is that P&G has repeatedly found a major MLM to be the source of many attacks on its corporate image...
Similarly PETA radical have repeatedly stated the opposition to ANY human having a companion animal/domestic animals. |
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| perk |
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Originally posted by renov8r
There is a long, sordid history of people attacking P&G. While the situations listed may or may not have happened, the fact is that P&G has repeatedly found a major MLM to be the source of many attacks on its corporate image...
Similarly PETA radical have repeatedly stated the opposition to ANY human having a companion animal/domestic animals.
Yep. I have to agree with you. PETA is so radical that virtually anything they say these days is taken with a grain of salt. I like the fact that some of these companies are fighting back and telling the truth about PETA now. Did you see the recent commercial detailing a well-known animal right's activist who has been convicted of bombing in the name of animal rights. They showed a film in the commercial of him teaching other members how to build bombs. Animal cruelty is bad, but these wackos, as with many extremists, are doing nothing more than using a cause to bolster their insane crusades. |
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| zafer |
The renewed series of Eukanuba food is the way to go. They have incorporated tartar control stuff they use in Crest. We've been feeding our cats mostly with it and it seems to be effective. Science Diet is the other food we use, causes lots of plaque. I'm referring to the dry foods only.
Hate having to put them totally out for plaque and tartar cleaning. If it at least reduces the number of times they'll need cleaning by the vet, if not eliminate the need totally, its worth it. P&G claims its been clinically proven to help reduce tartar buildup by up to 45%.
There are similar accusations for all the pet foods. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by zafer
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There are similar accusations for all the pet foods.
I would be interested in learning more about the "similar accusations ". I am not aware of any other pet food manufacturers that treat animals in such a manner.
Interestingly, my wife actually called Iams to question them about the stories. Iams' response was not a denial, but rather to say that they believe that steps have been taken to correct the situation.
If you brush your pet's teeth every month or so, you can save a ton of aggrevation in the future. |
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| zafer |
| Hills Science Diet, Nestlé Purina/Friskies, Alpo, ProPlan, Pedigree, and Whiskas all do animal testing on caged animals, which is considered cruel. |
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| nightguy |
| I highly recommend Purina One products. My dog used to be pukey all the time with regular Purina. Ever since the switch, almost no throwing up, tiny messes to pick up in the backyard and a super-soft coat. |
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| BigDog |
There are much better pet foods than all of those. Every year the Whole Dog Journal and Whole Cat Journal put out a list of the top 10 dry dog and cat foods. Any one of them would be a better choice.
Some of them are:
Canidae/Felidae
Wellness
Chicken Soup for the Dog/Cat Lover's Soul (stupid name, great food)
Innova
Flint River Ranch
I can't remember the rest of them, but you can't go wrong with one of these. Less filler, more quality protein, fewer preservatives and unnecessary gunk, etc. Pet Food Express carries the best selection of quality brands vs Petco or Petsmart.
Mrs. BigDog |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by BigDog
There are much better pet foods than all of those. Every year the Whole Dog Journal and Whole Cat Journal put out a list of the top 10 dry dog and cat foods. Any one of them would be a better choice.
Some of them are:
Canidae/Felidae
Wellness
Chicken Soup for the Dog/Cat Lover's Soul (stupid name, great food)
Innova
Flint River Ranch
I can't remember the rest of them, but you can't go wrong with one of these. Less filler, more quality protein, fewer preservatives and unnecessary gunk, etc. Pet Food Express carries the best selection of quality brands vs Petco or Petsmart.
Mrs. BigDog
We have started using Innova for both the dogs and the cats. They love the stuff! A little more expensive, but they are worth it. |
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| jswift2000 |
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Originally posted by Maik
We have started using Innova for both the dogs and the cats. They love the stuff! A little more expensive, but they are worth it.
We use Innova as well and the dog has a wonderful coat, the "piles" in the yard are not that big and they degrad rather quickly. Weve tried Wellness (gave the dog the runs) but Innova has hit the spot. I truly believe in a natural or holistic sog food. We supplement fruit and veggies with the dgos food every chance we get.
Like BigDog said, WDJ review food once a year and its a great issue to check out. |
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| nightguy |
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Originally posted by BigDog
There are much better pet foods than all of those. Every year the Whole Dog Journal and Whole Cat Journal put out a list of the top 10 dry dog and cat foods. Any one of them would be a better choice.
Some of them are:
Canidae/Felidae
Wellness
Chicken Soup for the Dog/Cat Lover's Soul (stupid name, great food)
Innova
Flint River Ranch
I can't remember the rest of them, but you can't go wrong with one of these. Less filler, more quality protein, fewer preservatives and unnecessary gunk, etc. Pet Food Express carries the best selection of quality brands vs Petco or Petsmart.
Mrs. BigDog
Yep. And as more reasonably priced foods go, Purina One is excellent....especially in the area of protein. I'll light my hair on fire before I have go to a specialty store for my dog, unless it's for some health issue. |
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| one4gatr |
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Originally posted by nightguy
Yep. And as more reasonably priced foods go, Purina One is excellent....especially in the area of protein. I'll light my hair on fire before I have go to a specialty store for my dog, unless it's for some health issue.
I agree with you there. In fact feeding your animal certain types of fruits as mentioned earlier (grapes for example) can actually kill them. I personally feed my dogs Eukanuba. Its a bit more than some of the low end stuff but you can tell the difference. My parents feed their dogs things like Kibbles and Bits and everyone of their dogs end up looking like cattle. I have had my dogs on Eukanuba for 10 years now and both are extremely healthy.
I have a couple of friends who are vets and have talked to them quite extensively about dry foods. One of my dogs when younger had a liver problem and we had to put him on Eukanuba K&D. Both of the guys told me the same thing about foods. They said to inspect the droppings (poops) in the yard. They should be relatively small which indicates that the dogs body is absorbing the nutrients properly. But additionally they added to be wary of the "all natural" foods as many dont include a good balance of essential fats and proteins.
As far as Iams/Eukanuba "mistreating" their animals... I find it difficult to imagine that if what was written was true about the "contract testing laboratory" that P&G had any knowledge of this happening. They have too big of an image to protect and to risk that for the sake of saving a few bucks to treat an animal humanely is absurd in my book. |
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| DaleB |
| I would agree it seems inconsistent for a company specializing in pet food abusing animals as part of doing business, in particular a successful one. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by DaleB
I would agree it seems inconsistent for a company specializing in pet food abusing animals as part of doing business, in particular a successful one.
I also was somewhat skepticle, but after looking at the research my wife had done, including actually hearing the response from the spokesperson FROM Iams, I was convinced.
I would also add, that having been in the wholesale food industry, I can assure you that you would be quite outraged at some of the goings on in terms of animal cruelty. Thing is, people would rather not know about it...might spoil their dinner or inconvience them. |
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| one4gatr |
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Originally posted by nightguy
http://www.pg.com/science/aa_commitment.jhtml
Pretty much says what I figured. First how can you NOT test on animals? How can a product be deemed 100% safe without research and studies to back it up. I am not at all against testing animals for any product. I would like to think it is done as humanely as possible but anything could be construed as "cruelty". The fact that we even keep animals as pets is a form of cruelty.
Again the article says it was an outside contractor. I dont think that P&G had any knowledge of this activity. |
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| nightguy |
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Originally posted by Maik
http://www.iamscruelty.com/iams-video.asp
Iams: A Recipe for Cruelty
A nine-month investigation into the pet food giant reveals dogs and cats fed a steady diet of loneliness, suffering, and neglect in their laboratory cages
Well there's a lot of information missing here, the largest piece being the location of this video shoot. There's no information about how long the dogs are kept in these cages, any tests being performed and the normal behavior of the dogs. I love how they get the dogs scared by putting a camera in their faces. My dog gets weirded out by that too.
But, if it makes you feel better, order the MDX with cloth seats. :2:
QUOTE]Originally posted by Maik
I would also add, that having been in the wholesale food industry, I can assure you that you would be quite outraged at some of the goings on in terms of animal cruelty. Thing is, people would rather not know about it...might spoil their dinner or inconvience them.[/QUOTE]
I would think that would make you a lot more concerned about what is considered fit for human consumption. How about a nice glass of Sunny Delight belly wash ? Or Oscar Mayer Turd Franks. Now that should be cause for concern. :eek: |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by Maik
I also was somewhat skepticle, but after looking at the research my wife had done, including actually hearing the response from the spokesperson FROM Iams, I was convinced.
I would also add, that having been in the wholesale food industry, I can assure you that you would be quite outraged at some of the goings on in terms of animal cruelty. Thing is, people would rather not know about it...might spoil their dinner or inconvience them.
What goes on in the food industry would never surprise me.
Considering there are still people in this country that are treated badly due to their age, socio-economic status, sexual orientation or color, it should be no surprise that domestic animals are cruelly treated by some. |
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