| cycler15 |
USC Trojans will start and finish the season #1.
Without Mike Williams they are preseason #1 by numerous publications. If he gets reinstated, they will be unstoppable. |
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| Aggie76 |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
USC Trojans will start and finish the season #1.
Without Mike Williams they are preseason #1 by numerous publications. If he gets reinstated, they will be unstoppable.
It's an awefully long season to be boasting so early! The good news is that college football is back again.
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| cycler15 |
I have faith....
And yes, it's great that college football is right around the corner. Baseball can only hold my interest for so long. |
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| MDteX |
| Hey Aggie76, think the Aggies have much of a chance against the Longhorns this year? I'm a Longhorn so a little rivalry is good! :D |
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| texasbiggs |
Hey MDtex,
I would think that ugly red color longhorn sticker on that
white car might look real bad.
I suggest you become a Nebraska fan and you can display a real red which would look real good on that nice white car.
Long time Husker fan and love to tease UT fans about that ugly orange. I do like Texas. Wish NU could recruit like Texas. These are tough years for Nebraska so be kind. If you want to talk about the past 30 years...NU rules.
At least you don't own that white 04 MDX I saw on toll road with OU sticker!!!
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| JL889 |
| Toll Tide Bama! UA student here:trustme: |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by texasbiggs
Hey MDtex,
I would think that ugly red color longhorn sticker on that
white car might look real bad.
I suggest you become a Nebraska fan and you can display a real red which would look real good on that nice white car.
Long time Husker fan and love to tease UT fans about that ugly orange. I do like Texas. Wish NU could recruit like Texas. These are tough years for Nebraska so be kind. If you want to talk about the past 30 years...NU rules.
At least you don't own that white 04 MDX I saw on toll road with OU sticker!!!
Texasbiggs
I know the Husker fans hate Texas especially the last 7-8 years. Texas seems to have Nebraska's number lately. Oh well things change and someday it will be the Huskers time. Nebraska has always been on my good side. OU on the otherhand..........
One of my friends that I coach youth football with is a Sooner and actually played football there. He is a nice guy and that has "softened" my view of OU somewhat. Maybe not...... |
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| gdot |
Well, it looks like my U-Dub Huskies won't be doing too much this year. There just aren't any stars on the roster. I'm hoping they'll sneak up on a few teams who underestimate them. If not, 27 years with a non-losing record will be history.
After seeing USC play last year, it looks like they're gonna be the team to beat. The coach at the UW picked them to place 3rd...in the NFC west. :D |
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| Aggie76 |
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Originally posted by MDteX
Hey Aggie76, think the Aggies have much of a chance against the Longhorns this year? I'm a Longhorn so a little rivalry is good! :D
We always have a chance of beating the hell outa tu! But you guys seem to need help in beating OU these days and hopefully that changes this year for the sips.
Left Austin last year and moved up north where I love harassing guys I work with about the lack of real college football here in Illinois.
I just enjoy the fact that fall is here and we get opportunities to enjoy the best spectator sport in the world. |
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| msu79uh04 |
My kids and my money go to Texas Tech :cool: :1:
Go Raiders :11: :9: |
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| bzboy |
| Go Big Red!!! I'm rooting for the Huskers this year. They have been down the past couple of years but i hope the changes (coach, West coast offense) brings them success. |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by cycler15
USC Trojans will start and finish the season #1. . . .
I'm dreading the USC game this year, (but I'll be there) maybe the altitude (ha ha) will help them lose
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| cycler15 |
| Stanford gave USC a scare, but now it's 4 down and 8 more to go... besides, people don't remember how you win games, they just remember that you win. I remember Ohio State won every damn game ugly by less than 7 points when they won the national championship. |
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| cdawg |
| UGA Bulldogs all the way to the championship... |
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| greatscot |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
Stanford gave USC a scare, but now it's 4 down and 8 more to go... besides, people don't remember how you win games, they just remember that you win. . . .
Would love to see a USC v. Miami Bowl game.
I've been to my Alma Mater's last 4 games :( and the only pleasure I can relate to is that we beat the irish, and anytime a Scot can beat the irish it's a great day laddie :4:
However, since then it's been downhill at an accelerated speed. That's sports for you. One of those losses was to USC, and I must say they are an awesome team. Reggie Busch is very impressive, and should be a strong Heisman candidate. |
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| cycler15 |
You live in Clovis and go to BYU for all the home games?
Notre Dame asked USC to reshuffle it's schedule so they could play BYU as a "tune up" game before Michigan. Look what happened... If not for that loss, Notre Dame would be undefeated and probably ranked in top 20.
The USC vs Cal will be a great game. Probably many analysts will have Cal winning the game. We'll see how it goes... |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by cycler15
You live in Clovis and go to BYU for all the home games?
Notre Dame asked USC to reshuffle it's schedule so they could play BYU as a "tune up" game before Michigan. Look what happened... If not for that loss, Notre Dame would be undefeated and probably ranked in top 20.
The USC vs Cal will be a great game. Probably many analysts will have Cal winning the game. We'll see how it goes...
Yes, I'm a dyed-in-the-blue wool Alumnus. Have season tickets year after year on the 48 yard line. Also go to any games they play here in the Golden State. This season has been an up then downward spiral :rolleyes: . USC is incredible. I believe as you earlier posted, that they will be No.1 at the end of the season. |
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| socalJD |
I'm surprised no one has posted anything about this - given it dominated most of sports news last nite and today. I am absolutely appalled by the double standard exhibited by ND - previously every Football Head Coach was given the opportunity to finish out their original contract before given the 'pink slip'. Willingham is canned after 3 yrs with a 21-15 slate (not exactly ND standards, but not a losing record) with 3 yrs left on his initial 6 yr contract. At least give the man a chance to work thru his 1st recruiting class, it takes 3 yrs to cycle thru the previous Coach's kids . . .
Now before anyone starts whispering 'bias' given my alumnus status, (sure I would love to see Willingham & Dorrel continue their losing ways on the gridiron) I have a world of respect for Willingham, dating back to his days at Stanford, and he surely deserved another 2 seasons to right the ship at ol' ND. If ND ousted Holtz for his not-so-clean program, then dismiss O'leary for 'embellishing' his coaching resume, how can they in good conscience fire Willingham who runs a squeaky clean program and exudes nothing but class & respect. Wins will come after a solid foundation is laid & built, I fear a lot more than tarnish has developed over the once Golden Dome . . . |
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| JimH |
| Everything you say about the coach at ND sounds correct, but I am not surprised at his firing. He had a 5-7 and 6-5 mark the last two years which is average at best. They lost some games by huge margins. I am surprised they gave him a 6-year contract to begin with. Obviously, football is a big business at ND, and they feel another coach could do better---that is ND's perogative in my opinion. Ty will get a nice buyout, coach another team, and that team will hopefully do good by him. |
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| greatscot |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
I'm surprised no one has posted anything about this - given it dominated most of sports news last nite and today. I am absolutely appalled by the double standard exhibited by ND - previously every Football Head Coach was given the opportunity to finish out their original contract before given the 'pink slip'. Willingham is canned after 3 yrs with a 21-15 slate (not exactly ND standards, but not a losing record) with 3 yrs left on his initial 6 yr contract. At least give the man a chance to work thru his 1st recruiting class, it takes 3 yrs to cycle thru the previous Coach's kids . . .
Agree wholeheartedly. Being a BYU Alum. I have been exasperated at having to go through 3 consecutive losing seasons before they got their HC to quit (he "resigned" today), so when I heard of the Willingham firing I was really apalled. He never had a losing season this year, BYU would have given their eye teeth to have had a similar record. I think a lot of schools will be after Willingham (there are several openings) and he is a class guy. I wish him well. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
I'm surprised no one has posted anything about this - given it dominated most of sports news last nite and today. I am absolutely appalled by the double standard exhibited by ND - previously every Football Head Coach was given the opportunity to finish out their original contract before given the 'pink slip'. Willingham is canned after 3 yrs with a 21-15 slate (not exactly ND standards, but not a losing record) with 3 yrs left on his initial 6 yr contract. At least give the man a chance to work thru his 1st recruiting class, it takes 3 yrs to cycle thru the previous Coach's kids ...
Why are you surprised? The old .org is not what it used to be! This thread in on P.2 and the regular season is more or less over. Last years college football thread was 16 pages long. http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/show...15&pagenumber=1
I do NOT see any double-standard. What I do see is that ND announced to the world that its all about winning and winning now (they admitted thay are a football factory like the other schools); which is the way most schools have operated for years now. Also, considering he went 10-3 his first year (with his predicessors recruits); his current record is not at all confidence building. I think ND's biggest mistake was granting an initial 6-year contract. |
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| msu79gt82 |
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Originally posted by greatscot
He never had a losing season ...
ND was 5-7 during his second year. |
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by cycler15
USC Trojans will start and finish the season #1.
Without Mike Williams they are preseason #1 by numerous publications. If he gets reinstated, they will be unstoppable.
1 more win against ucla and it's on to the ORANGES! |
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| JimH |
| USC is truly a great team this year w/ good coaching. Am looking forward to the Orange Bowl. Pretty easy to recruit players with the past few years of performance by USC. I assume ND will recruit the current Utah coach, and would be surprised if they sign anyone else to the vacant job. |
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| riseboi |
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Originally posted by JimH
...I assume ND will recruit the current Utah coach, and would be surprised if they sign anyone else to the vacant job.
Uh Oh. Looks like Meyer may be heading to UF. Interestingly, it was reported that Meyer's father told him that if he wants to win, he should go to UF. Can't say that I disagree with the talent pool in FL and a reported $2 million/year.:eek: |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by msu79gt82
Why are you surprised? The old .org is not what it used to be! This thread in on P.2 and the regular season is more or less over. Last years college football thread was 16 pages long. http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/show...15&pagenumber=1
I do NOT see any double-standard. What I do see is that ND announced to the world that its all about winning and winning now (they admitted thay are a football factory like the other schools); which is the way most schools have operated for years now. Also, considering he went 10-3 his first year (with his predicessors recruits); his current record is not at all confidence building. I think ND's biggest mistake was granting an initial 6-year contract.
Well, for starters, last season's thread was long because the weekly polls were posted every week :rolleyes:
If you cannot see the double standard, I don't think I can help you - hint: this issue is as clear as black & white . . .
I need some help, can you post a link or reference where anyone in a position to do so admitted that ND is a 'football factory' ? As long as I can remember, ND always tried to distance itself from all the others. How else can you justify ND having it's own TV contract with NBC while thumbing their noses at the rest of Div I and the CFA. The BCS even has a small print clause stating they can choose a ND team for a BCS bowl if it's in the top 12 !?! Everyone else has to be in the top 6 (or win their BCS conf title).
The real answer is ND has lost it's mystique and luster, and current administrators are panicking . . . it all started with the ouster of Holtz and continues today with the termination of Ty. There's much more wrong with ND's football program than a head coach having a mediocre season - and if Meyer were smart, he'd turn down the job for something better . . . |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by riseboi
Uh Oh. Looks like Meyer may be heading to UF. Interestingly, it was reported that Meyer's father told him that if he wants to win, he should go to UF. Can't say that I disagree with the talent pool in FL and a reported $2 million/year.:eek:
I'll just be happy to see Urban go anywhere away from the runnin' utes. That way he won't do any more damage to me :2:
He was a former Asst. Coach at ND, and it's also one of the schools (along with Florida) listed in the buy-out clause in his contract.
msu79gt82, the way my Alma Mater has been playing the last 3 years (excluding of course their win over GT) I meant Willingham did not have a losing season this year.
I'm very interested to see what BYU does at the HC slot. Crowton had big shoes to fill and he failed. The OC at Oklahoma appears to be a leading candidate at this time. |
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| msu79gt82 |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Well, for starters, last season's thread was long because the weekly polls were posted every week :rolleyes:
My only point was that CLEARLY there is NOT as much interest in discussing college football this year as opposed to last year - sorry you missed it. (still on P. 2)
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
I need some help, can you post a link or reference where anyone in a position to do so admitted that ND is a 'football factory' ?
Must have missed all the commentary:
http://www.detnews.com/2004/college...1/e01-20849.htm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...read/index.html
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colu...otre-dame_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colu...-saraceno_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colu...-saraceno_x.htm
etc., etc., etc. - there are commentaries ad nauseum out there about how ND is no different than any other football school NOW. The firing of Ty Willingham proves that ND behaves no differently than any other football school - all that matters is winning. If ND (and/or their fans) denies it, then they are deluded.
By the way why are you challenging what I said? I NEVER said anything harsh about Ty Willingham; I think he got shafted and was not given a "fair" chance. All he did wrong was what every other coach who ever got fired did wrong - lost too many football games!!! Hence my (and most every one elses's) assertion that ND now behaves (present tense, I'm not talking about past tradition) just like most other schools do.
PS: The source of my quote was this teaser for the ESPN editorial linked below: "Notre Dame used to talk about class and dignity. But in the wake of Tyrone Willingham's firing, it showed it's now nothing more than just another football factory."
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/colum..._pat&id=1935406 |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by msu79gt82
What I do see is that ND announced to the world that its all about winning and winning now (they admitted thay are a football factory like the other schools);
Maybe I need to clarify, I meant show me a reference from a person in position at ND, not a bunch of beat writers who get paid to sensationalize stories. All your links and references pretty much summarized what I have been saying, that the ND of today, does not resemble the ND of the past, Rockne, Parsegian, the 8 Heismans, the 12 Nat'l champions, etc, etc - but the powers-that-be will not/cannot recognize or admit that their once proud & respected football program has denegrated to that of a 2nd tier school. When I was in high school, any blue chip football player would have killed to go to ND, whereas I'm fairly certain that is not the case now . . . |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by msu79gt82
My only point was that CLEARLY there is NOT as much interest in discussing college football this year as opposed to last year - sorry you missed it. (still on P. 2)
I think you take yourself a lil' too seriously . . .
I know what point you were making, I just thought it was humorous & ironic that you compare this yr's thread with last yr's and a common theme I noticed was that your posts & participation mirror the thread size (pgs 16:2) - just an observation, no malice intended . . .
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By the way why are you challenging what I said?
I think you need to look at your writing style or the way you phrase your posts. When you start your posts with: 'Why are you surprised' or 'I do NOT see any double-standard. What I do see . . .' are you not challenging someone else's points or views ? You seem to capitalize or bold certain words to emphasize your points, or am I reading too much into your posts - again just an observation, no harm intended . . . |
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| cycler15 |
Let's stick to the topic guys....
Meyer should go to Florida over Notre Dame. The talent level at Notre Dame has been way down the past 5+ years. He will definitely have the talent at Florida to win right away. Plus Florida has very good talent at the skill positions, which would help since he runs a hyprid west coast/option offense. The talent level at the skill positions at Notre Dame is anemic. They haven't had a first round draft pick at a skill position in around 10 years. |
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| socalJD |
Fine, back on topic:
Forget about Meyer, Urban will do what is good for Urban. The timing is perfect to leave Utah, his stock will never be higher. Whether it be Florida, ND, etc, I'm sure he'll land a much better position than he's had in the past 5 yrs. That said, I don't think the Utes could beat any of the other teams in the BCS top 8 on a neutral field, so he'd better ink that contract soon !
Speaking about BYU, I'm hoping that the bridges are burned so that they don't try to make good on jilting Norm Chow. They screwed Chow over 3 yrs ago when they hired Crowton - so here's hoping that Chow is too proud to listen to their advances now . . . (hope, hope)
Come on Cycler, quit dodging the obvious - I want your prediction on tomorrow's BIG game - you know what I'm talkin' about . . . as for me, it's gonna be 6 in a row, no way those teddy bears in powder blue belong on the same field with the #1 Team in the Nation !!! |
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| mullysalt |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
Fine, back on topic:
Forget about Meyer, Urban will do what is good for Urban. The timing is perfect to leave Utah, his stock will never be higher. Whether it be Florida, ND, etc, I'm sure he'll land a much better position than he's had in the past 5 yrs. That said, I don't think the Utes could beat any of the other teams in the BCS top 8 on a neutral field, so he'd better ink that contract soon !
Speaking about BYU, I'm hoping that the bridges are burned so that they don't try to make good on jilting Norm Chow. They screwed Chow over 3 yrs ago when they hired Crowton - so here's hoping that Chow is too proud to listen to their advances now . . . (hope, hope)
Come on Cycler, quit dodging the obvious - I want your prediction on tomorrow's BIG game - you know what I'm talkin' about . . . as for me, it's gonna be 6 in a row, no way those teddy bears in powder blue belong on the same field with the #1 Team in the Nation !!!
Blah, Blah, Blah........quit pickin' on MSU, I for one liked the fact that he would post the rankings last year including the bottom 10. Way to go MSU!:claphead:
JD shouldn't your title above your avatar say Co-National Champions?
I like Pitt, Miami, Cal, Auburn, Oklahoma and of course USC tommorrow. Just in case you were wondering.
P.S.-How 'bout them Toledo Rockets! Champions of the MAC. |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by mullysalt
Blah, Blah, Blah........quit pickin' on MSU, I for liked the fact that he would post the rankings last year including the bottom 10. Way to go MSU!:claphead:
JD shouldn't your title above your avatar say Co-National Champions?
I like Pitt, Miami, Cal, Auburn, Oklahoma and of course USC tommorrow. Just in case you were wondering.
P.S.-How 'bout them Toledo Rockets! Champions of the MAC.
It's about time you showed up, things were getting dull here on the eve of 'Championship Saturday' . . .
Well since you asked, here you go: Rankings
Ahem, Mully, who is #1 on all 3 of the polls ??? 'Co' was lopped off when LSU failed to show up to defend their mythical title this fall. You know as well as the rest of the nation who would have won if 'SC squared off against LSU last Jan, but alas, the BCS computers mucked it all up. Unless OK or Auburn chokes tomorrow, the BCS will have some more 'splaining to do . . .
Hmmm, you telling me to stop pickin' on MSU sounds a lil' ironic, does it not - please do not morph into some tree-huggin dove, the ol' Org will not be the same without the piss-in-vinegar Mully to rule the roost . . . |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
Come on Cycler, quit dodging the obvious - I want your prediction on tomorrow's BIG game - you know what I'm talkin' about . . . as for me, it's gonna be 6 in a row, no way those teddy bears in powder blue belong on the same field with the #1 Team in the Nation !!!
USC 45
UCLA 14
That's my prediction. I smell the oranges already.
For all those Auburn fans that think they should be #1 in the country.... when you play a nonconference schedule that includes Louisiana Monroe, The Citadel, and Louisiana Tech you DON'T DESERVE to be #1, let alone #2. |
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| greatscot |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
Fine, back on topic: . . . Speaking about BYU, I'm hoping that the bridges are burned so that they don't try to make good on jilting Norm Chow. They screwed Chow over 3 yrs ago when they hired Crowton - so here's hoping that Chow is too proud to listen to their advances now . . . (hope, hope) . . .
I don't believe you have much to fear here. I go to church with a brother of a USC coach. It is well known in USC circles that Leinart wants to stay on for his next year so he can win an unprecedented 3rd consecutive college championship with Chow.
I for one always thought Norm should be Lavell Edward's successor. He is an excellent coach and BYU would be crazy not to try and get him. But like I said before, that championship hat-trick is looming. It would boost his marketability even higher. |
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| mullysalt |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
'Co' was lopped off when LSU failed to show up to defend their mythical title this fall. You know as well as the rest of the nation who would have won if 'SC squared off against LSU last Jan, but alas, the BCS computers mucked it all up. Unless OK or Auburn chokes tomorrow, the BCS will have some more 'splaining to do . . .
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You can't just go loppin'. Co is Co and until they win one outright they'll still be Co, sorry Bro'. Last years will always be Co, don't ya know? Go Tigers! Oh wait, they haven't signed Pavano, yet! |
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| cycler15 |
| Chow has already said he will not take the BYU job. Apparantly he's still miffed they passed him over 3 years ago. |
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| mullysalt |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
For all those Auburn fans that think they should be #1 in the country.... when you play a nonconference schedule that includes Louisiana Monroe, The Citadel, and Louisiana Tech you DON'T DESERVE to be #1, let alone #2.
USC showed Auburn to the woodshed in AL, they had to go soft this year.
That title sure looks MUCH better and is now accurate JD! |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by JimH
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...ida-meyer_x.htm
Looks like the Utah coach is going to Florida. $ 2 million/year, sunshine, and a good team already. What a life.
:2party:
Outstanding, maybe we'll beat the Utes next year, woohoo!
Sad I know when all you have to cheer about is when your arch rivals lose their outstanding coach. But hey, after the three losing seasons I've sat through, this is the only good college football news I've had in that period of time. :rolleyes: |
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| cycler15 |
Orange Bowl (National Championship) - USC / Oklahoma
Sugar Bowl - Auburn / Virginia Tech
Rose Bowl - Michigan / Texas
Fiesta - Utah / Pittsburgh
Looks like Cal got screwed big time. How can you win a game on the road against bowl team and lose votes?
Cal QB Aaron Rodgers said it pretty good about Texas coach Mack Brown's public campaigning for voters to move Texas above Cal...
"I thought it was a little classless how Coach Brown was begging for votes after the [Texas A&M] game," Rodgers said. "I think a team's record and the way you play should speak for itself, and you shouldn't have to complain about the BCS system. Coach Tedford isn't going to, although he's frustrated just like we are. I think we're a bigger team, classier than that."
It amazes me how the college presidents refuse to address the problem with the BCS and will never agree to a playoff system.
I truly feel sorry for Auburn, but we (USC) were screwed last year and we deserve the national title game this year. |
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| socalJD |
Unfortunately, the BCS system, as flawed as it may be, is probably gonna stay around for a longtime. Under the old bowl system, USC, OK & Auburn would have played in 3 different bowls against much weaker opposition and it would have been a nightmare trying to crown a champion. At least the current system matches the consensus #1 & #2 teams. A playoff system will never work, since it would cheapen the current bowl payoffs and there is no way that the other 107 division I-A schools will go for losing revenue from their #1 revenue making program. As long as #1 plays #2 for all the marbles, the BCS system is plausible, just needs a few more tweaks.
Yes, Cal got screwed, but it's more because they played weakly in front of a nationally televised audience than anything Texas did. Not too may people outside the Pac10 saw Cal play during the season, so when they got the chance, they didn't make the most of it. Had Cal beat SMU by 25+ pts, they'd be in the Rose Bowl, pure & simple. The bigger travesty is how a #21 ranked Pitt gets a BCS bowl. I think you need to modify the automatic bids - just because you win your conference title should not give you an automatic BCS bid if you're not in the top 12 or have more than 2 losses . . . better yet add a 5th BCS bowl game, I never understood why the Cotton Bowl is no longer a big time bowl game - just how much history & pageantry does the Tostitos Fiesta bowl really have !?!?! |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
Unfortunately, the BCS system, as flawed as it may be, is probably gonna stay around for a longtime. Under the old bowl system, USC, OK & Auburn would have played in 3 different bowls against much weaker opposition and it would have been a nightmare trying to crown a champion. At least the current system matches the consensus #1 & #2 teams. A playoff system will never work, since it would cheapen the current bowl payoffs and there is no way that the other 107 division I-A schools will go for losing revenue from their #1 revenue making program. As long as #1 plays #2 for all the marbles, the BCS system is plausible, just needs a few more tweaks.
Yes, Cal got screwed, but it's more because they played weakly in front of a nationally televised audience than anything Texas did. Not too may people outside the Pac10 saw Cal play during the season, so when they got the chance, they didn't make the most of it. Had Cal beat SMU by 25+ pts, they'd be in the Rose Bowl, pure & simple. The bigger travesty is how a #21 ranked Pitt gets a BCS bowl. I think you need to modify the automatic bids - just because you win your conference title should not give you an automatic BCS bid if you're not in the top 12 or have more than 2 losses . . . better yet add a 5th BCS bowl game, I never understood why the Cotton Bowl is no longer a big time bowl game - just how much history & pageantry does the Tostitos Fiesta bowl really have !?!?!
There is a clause in the BCS rules that state if a conference champion's average BCS rank over a 4 year period is not #12 or higher, then the BCS committee can rule to exclude that conference from having an automatic BCS berth.
What really pisses me off is that the Pac 10 #2 team plays in the Holiday Bowl, and not a bigger bowl on New Years day like all the other major conferences. |
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| JimH |
| It seems to me that the 4 main bowl games in the BCS series of games should take the # 1- # 8 ranked teams in the BCS final poll. It seems like a bad joke to have a # 21 ranked team in one of the top 4 bowls. Obviously, it is not set up that way, and there is no perfect system (whether based on points or politically) to deal with the top bowl games. One just hopes to get a clear # 1 ranked team out of the system at the conclusion of the games, which will again not happen every year. |
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| MDteX |
I agree the BCS is screwed up. Trying to make the BCS and the Bowl games meaningful while still tying bowls to the various conferences is just plain stupid. While I'm happy my Longhorns made a BCS bowl I would much rather see them play Cal in the Rose bowl than Michigan. Michigan and Pitt do not deserve a major bowl.
MY bowl selections if I got to pick the big 4.
USC - OU
Auburn - Utah
Texas - Cal
Louisville - Boise State
I know many will not agree with the last one. I know Georgia and many others are deserving but I feel you need to award an undefeated team team with something. You could swap out Lousiville with Georgia and still have a great game.
This scenarios provides 3 very good games. The 2 best undefeated teams, the next 2 undeteated teams and two one loss teams that lost to the 2 best teams.
As one sports writer said, after the title bowl game the rest are just bowl games for fun. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by MDteX
. . . Michigan and Pitt do not deserve a major bowl.
MY bowl selections if I got to pick the big 4.
USC - OU
Auburn - Utah
Texas - Cal
Louisville - Boise State
I know many will not agree with the last one. I know Georgia and many others are deserving but I feel you need to award an undefeated team team with something. You could swap out Lousiville with Georgia and still have a great game . . .
As one sports writer said, after the title bowl game the rest are just bowl games for fun.
You're forgetting about the $$$'s - its all about the almighty dollar. Try telling Michigan or Pitt or their conferences that they don't get the $14mm payday.
Your bowl selections are good, but I'd substitute Georgia & VTech for Louisville-Boise State, just take the BCS top 8 - or like I said, add the Cotton bowl as a BCS game so that Cal & Georgia make it as at-large bids, that way all the major conferences can be represented - $14mm is nice scratch for 'just bowl games for fun'. |
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| mullysalt |
quote:
Originally posted by MDteX
I agree the BCS is screwed up. Trying to make the BCS and the Bowl games meaningful while still tying bowls to the various conferences is just plain stupid. While I'm happy my Longhorns made a BCS bowl I would much rather see them play Cal in the Rose bowl than Michigan. Michigan and Pitt do not deserve a major bowl.
It irks me to see any team outside of the Big 10 and Pac 10 Champ in the Rose Bowl. Texas or otherwise. This system sucks. Watching bowls on New Year's Day is NOTHING like it was before the BCS. So in summation, they took a system that at least gave the viewer a celebration of the pageantry of college football and reduced it to this mess. |
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| MDteX |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
It irks me to see any team outside of the Big 10 and Pac 10 Champ in the Rose Bowl. Texas or otherwise. This system sucks. Watching bowls on New Year's Day is NOTHING like it was before the BCS. So in summation, they took a system that at least gave the viewer a celebration of the pageantry of college football and reduced it to this mess.
You seem to be a traditionalist. Tradition and the BCS cannot coexist and be succesful. The NCAA must choose one or the other. I think that the conference alliance should go away to better benefit college football as a whole. The longer you keep conference alliances with the major money bowls some conference and schools will get short changed while others always get a bigger piece of the pie. This will create a wider gap between the chosen conferences and the others. I think this is very bad for football. |
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
It irks me to see any team outside of the Big 10 and Pac 10 Champ in the Rose Bowl.
If you are mad, can you imagine how the Rose Bowl officials feel? They haven't had their traditional Pac 10 / Big 10 matchup in something like 3 of the past 4 years. |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by MDteX
. . . Tradition and the BCS cannot coexist and be succesful. The NCAA must choose one or the other. . . .
That's so true, so if you do away with tradition, then replace it with something that makes sense, and that would be a playoff system. NCAA Div.2 does it and it works there, so why not in Div.1? Follow the money and you have oyur answer :mad: |
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| cycler15 |
| 6 Heisman trophies for USC (tied with Ohio State and 1 behind Notre Dame). USC might be tied with Notre Dame in the next 2 years. Leinart would be a senior next year if he decides to come back (although I'm sure he'll turn pro). Plus Reggie Bush will be a junior next year and will be a highly favored candidate. |
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| socalJD |
| I for one was pleasantly surprised that Leinart won. Given his terrible last game against ucla - everyone made a big deal over the fact that his 24 consecutive starts with a TD pass string was snapped. I guess the old adage rings true, you either have to be from ND or play well against ND to win the Heisman. Leinart still needs to play well & WIN in the Orange Bowl to validate his accomplishments this season. There's whispers that regardless the outcome in the Orange bowl, Leinart wants to come back for his senior season - we'll see . . . |
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| MDteX |
What an incredible Rose Bowl game! Very exciting and well played by both sides. I'm glad my Longhorns came out on top.
It is amazing that Texas and Michigan have never played before. |
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| msu79gt82 |
Congrats to Texas; however A&M looked aweful :confused: If OU wins it will be an impresssive season for the Big 12.
GT won :1:
TT won :cool: Very impressive win over Cal :D :2:
Memphis lost :( |
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| socalJD |
I'll take VTech +6.5 over overrated Auburn . . .
and y'all know who I like in the Orange Bowl . . . :4: :4: :4:
Let the games begin . . . |
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| A2MDXer |
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Originally posted by MDteX
What an incredible Rose Bowl game! Very exciting and well played by both sides. I'm glad my Longhorns came out on top.
It is amazing that Texas and Michigan have never played before.
It really was nice to see that matchup and it was a great game. It pains me to lose by a point but Vince was very good and the Michigan D had no answer for him. Otherwise, it thought Michigan played a great game. Congrats to the Longhorns - very good season. |
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| cycler15 |
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USC Trojans will start and finish the season #1.
Without Mike Williams they are preseason #1 by numerous publications. If he gets reinstated, they will be unstoppable.
I must be a prophet....
I am so glad we won. Everyone outside of the state of California thought Oklahoma would run all over USC. All the experts picked Oklahoma. Their players gave USC no respect. They said our offense was average, that Lienart didn't deserve the Heisman, that USC couldn't handle smash mouth football.
Well, this game shows what USC and Pete Carroll are all about. We hit them hard, and kept hitting them.
The scary thing is that USC returns 16 of it's 22 starters back next year. Many people think next year's team will be better.
I could go on and on about USC football....
FIGHT ON TROJANS!!!! |
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| MDteX |
USC did kick some major butt last night. I thought OU would win or at least it would be close. Congrats to the Trojans on an incredible game. And to Auburn and Utah for great seasons.
I would like to see a "Plus 1" or a "Plus 2" game added to help determine. But without a true playoff system even that won't resolve the "Who's number 1" issue. |
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| Maik |
Based on last nites performance, I think that USC could be competitive against the Browns, Raiders or the Bears in the NFL!
I am glad for Carroll, he was not treated well during his stay with the Pats and he is a good guy. I also ejoyed watching Tatupa play linebacker. Looks like a chip off the old block. |
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| JimH |
| I was dissapointed that USC did not play their 2nd/3rd teams moreso in the 4th quarter. I believe their 2nd team might have beat OU last night as OU was not playing that good. Winning begets a winning program and USC is obviously a great place to go now for a great football program. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by JimH
I was dissapointed that USC did not play their 2nd/3rd teams moreso in the 4th quarter. I believe their 2nd team might have beat OU last night as OU was not playing that good. Winning begets a winning program and USC is obviously a great place to go now for a great football program.
You are right. I heard an interview this morning with Carroll in which he indicated that two recruits called him after the game to tell him they wanted to play for USC. |
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| socalJD |
The next few weeks should be very interesting for the Back-to-Back National Champions:
- does Leinart return for his senior season or enter the NFL draft
- will Norm Chow be hired away as someone's Head Coach
- which blue chip recruits will committ to USC
- will Lofa Tatupu enter the NFL draft
can't wait for Spring practice to begin . . . |
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| mullysalt |
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Originally posted by socalJD
The next few weeks should be very interesting for the Back-to-Back National Champions:
- does Leinart return for his senior season or enter the NFL draft
- will Norm Chow be hired away as someone's Head Coach
- which blue chip recruits will committ to USC
- will Lofa Tatupu enter the NFL draft
can't wait for Spring practice to begin . . .
Maik,
I remember your boy Mosi(sp?), he was a load, blowing up holes for Craig James and the like.
USC has certainly ascended to the top of college football. They are fun to watch. Oklahoma however was very disappointing in their lack of heart. Rarely though does a game of such hype live up to expectations for those casual fans unless of course it's the Super Bowl and the Pats are playing. |
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by socalJD
The next few weeks should be very interesting for the Back-to-Back National Champions:
- does Leinart return for his senior season or enter the NFL draft
- will Norm Chow be hired away as someone's Head Coach
- which blue chip recruits will committ to USC
- will Lofa Tatupu enter the NFL draft
can't wait for Spring practice to begin . . .
- Even if Leinart leaves, they have two 5 star recruits at QB itching to get a chance to play (John David Booty who will be a redshirt sophomore and incoming freshman Mark Sanchez).
- Most of the College head coaching positions have been filled. So it seems that Chow will stay with USC at least another year. Pete Carroll knows that Chow will eventually leave and he has been more involved with the offense lately, trying to learn as much as possible.
- Coaching truly makes a difference. The talent level between USC and Oklahoma is pretty close... but give Carroll and Chow one full month to prepare and it's game over. |
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| hhwc |
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Originally posted by cycler15
... give Carroll and Chow one full month to prepare and it's game over.
Absolutely correct.
Fight on 'SC! |
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| greatscot |
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Originally posted by socalJD
The next few weeks should be very interesting for the Back-to-Back National Champions:
- does Leinart return for his senior season or enter the NFL draft
- will Norm Chow be hired away as someone's Head Coach
. . .
I know I'm a bit late on this, but I've been (ahem) slaving away in the island, goit back to a bunch of stuff at work, but it's all good. Anyway, I posted before, and looks like my inside sources at SC are correct, the Chow-Lienart duo are coming back for an unprecedented 3peat in NCAA football. USC had a great year. |
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