| mullysalt |
Last season I lamented the fact that Joe D selected Darko instead of Carmello. This season and it really began last year in the playoffs is why didn't joe D draft Dwayne Wade. Wade, Billups and Rip not a bad three guard rotation.:eek:
The original Bad Boys wew built of a three man rotation. Isiah, Joe D and the mircowave, Vinnie J. |
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| laborlitigator |
Mully,
You still want Darko over Mello? |
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| mullysalt |
| It would be nice if the #2 pick in the NBA Draft would be a contributor in their second season, HOWEVER(my best Steven A. voice) in Joe D I trust so I'm down with Darko. |
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| laborlitigator |
Two words:
Sam Bowie |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Still early, but I'd say that neither team has benefitted greatly from the trade. My over/under for Shaq is still 70 gms - I say he doesn't play in more than 70 gms this season, he's gonna miss at least 12 gms for his infamous nagging injuries: big toe, abdominal muscle, hamstring, etc, etc . . . count on it.
Pretty funny that Kobe's missed more games than Shaq this year, huh. (9-1)
And neither team benefited from this trade. . . ?! :crazy: |
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| socalJD |
| Miami is the best of the east so far, I'll give you that. But the 'beast of the east' is 10-10 against teams from the west, most notably, Miami cannot beat SA, Seattle or Phoenix - which means that they are at best the 4th or 5th best team in the NBA. Shaq has paced himself well, and should be in good shape for the playoffs, so long as Dwade stays healthy - something happens to Dwade (say an ankle sprain, ie LeBron, Kobe, Okafor) and Miami will be exposed. No matter how you choose to look at it, come time for the finals, no way Miami beats any team that emerges from the west (take your pick - SA, Sea, Phx) in a 7 game series - NO FRIGGIN WAY . . . |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Miami is the best of the east so far, I'll give you that. But the 'beast of the east' is 10-10 against teams from the west, most notably, Miami cannot beat SA, Seattle or Phoenix - which means that they are at best the 4th or 5th best team in the NBA. Shaq has paced himself well, and should be in good shape for the playoffs, so long as Dwade stays healthy - something happens to Dwade (say an ankle sprain, ie LeBron, Kobe, Okafor) and Miami will be exposed. No matter how you choose to look at it, come time for the finals, no way Miami beats any team that emerges from the west (take your pick - SA, Sea, Phx) in a 7 game series - NO FRIGGIN WAY . . .
"Dude", Miami only has to beat one of those teams, in case you forgot. By the time the Western teams end up beating eachother up to get there, Shaq will be waiting, probably well rested.
BTW, looks like Bryant burned out another coach. See ya Rudy! |
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| socalJD |
Using your same logic, Miami will be equally 'beat up' if they make it to the finals, last time I checked, they still need to get by Indy, LeBron's team & the defending champs to get there - definitely no walk thru the park . . .
We all know you're a Kobe hater, and therefore you take every opportunity to bash the Lakers, but I don't understand your bandwagon jumping with the Heat. Stop being such a party crasher and stand behind your local teams, (NY & NJ) or are you the kind of fair weather fan that only loyally supports teams that win ?!?!? |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Using your same logic, Miami will be equally 'beat up' if they make it to the finals, last time I checked, they still need to get by Indy, LeBron's team & the defending champs to get there - definitely no walk thru the park . . .
We all know you're a Kobe hater, and therefore you take every opportunity to bash the Lakers, but I don't understand your bandwagon jumping with the Heat. Stop being such a party crasher and stand behind your local teams, (NY & NJ) or are you the kind of fair weather fan that only loyally supports teams that win ?!?!?
Cavs are too young, no playoff experience; Indy is in shambles and without their 2nd best player; Detroit is underachieving and their coach wants to coach the Knicks. (I don't know why).
2nd best team is NJ with Kidd and Carter. Eitherway, nobody can stop Shaq in the east. |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
Miami is the best of the east so far, I'll give you that. But the 'beast of the east' is 10-10 against teams from the west, most notably, Miami cannot beat SA, Seattle or Phoenix -
Or Dallas.....and when Shaq can't win he starts mouthing off! What a jerk.:headshake |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by MDteX
Or Dallas.....and when Shaq can't win he starts mouthing off! What a jerk.:headshake
Dallas, what the heck has Dallas ever accomplished in the playoffs. They're always out whenever the run into a half court team. |
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| MDteX |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Dallas, what the heck has Dallas ever accomplished in the playoffs. They're always out whenever the run into a half court team.
Dallas swept Miami this year. Who knows what Dallas will do this year. If you want to talk about the past then the Mavs forced the Lakers to a 7th game in the conference finals and LA was lucky to win. They have been pretty steady over the last couple of years. No they have not made the Finals.
But since we are talking about now I pointed out the fact that the Heat couldn't handle the Mavs this year and the Heat lost by 20 points the Mavs at Miami. Maybe you should watch them when you get bored with the lowly Knicks or Nets. |
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| mullysalt |
Once Arroyo gets fitted for his Rip Hamilton mask he will officially be on board. What they really need in a guy on the bench who can come in and shoot a mid-range J and post up at the 3. Someone like Corliss Williamson. Ugh!
Latest around here is that Joe D is talking to the Mailman about coming to town. That is about the last guy I thought would ever play for Detroit. Who knows? All he would be doing for Detroit is to fill Elden Campbell's role. Maybe more? How much tread is left on those tires? |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by MDteX
Dallas swept Miami this year. Who knows what Dallas will do this year. If you want to talk about the past then the Mavs forced the Lakers to a 7th game in the conference finals and LA was lucky to win. They have been pretty steady over the last couple of years. No they have not made the Finals.
But since we are talking about now I pointed out the fact that the Heat couldn't handle the Mavs this year and the Heat lost by 20 points the Mavs at Miami. Maybe you should watch them when you get bored with the lowly Knicks or Nets.
Mavs made it to the Conference finals, when?! Must have been ages ago. I'll bet the Nets make it as further into the playoffs then your loveable Mavs.
And your owners a joke. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Once Arroyo gets fitted for his Rip Hamilton mask he will officially be on board. What the really need in a guy on the bench who can come in and shoot a mid-range J and post up at the 3. Someone like Corliss Williamson. Ugh!
Latest around here is that Joe D is talking to the Mailman about coming to town. That is about the last guy I thought would ever play for Detroit. Who knows? All he would be doing for Detroit is to fill Elden Campbell's role. Maybe more? How much tread is left on those tires?
Mully, what's the news on Brown. Are the folks there really down on him for his comments (non-comments) about coaching NY? |
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| MDteX |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
And your owners a joke.
Interesting how many players really like him and like how he treats them--and that's not even the Mavs! He is passionate about basketball and always has been. He speaks his mind which ruffles some old school feathers but he has the team going in the right direction. I'm so glad they didn't trade Dirk for Shaq. Cuban wouldn't go for it. Dirk is on the way up and Shaq on the way down. |
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| A2MDXer |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Cavs are too young, no playoff experience; Indy is in shambles and without their 2nd best player; Detroit is underachieving and their coach wants to coach the Knicks. (I don't know why).
2nd best team is NJ with Kidd and Carter. Eitherway, nobody can stop Shaq in the east.
LL, I take it this was a joke, right? NJ is not the 2nd best East team. Say what you will, Miami is solid and I will concede that they are #1 in East right now. But Detroit has the title and likely will crank it up late in the season and into the playoffs. They have not been focused as much this year. I can only see the Cavs as a possibility for #3 b/c of Lebron (assuming he is healthy). IMO, Detroit has more "pieces" than last year - of course, do they have the same chemistry and focus - that remains to be seen.
Brown is a non-issue. He will be focused and he cannot dismiss every rumor. He should have shot it down sooner but recently indicated that Detroit will be his last job (true, we have heard that one before). |
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| A2MDXer |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Once Arroyo gets fitted for his Rip Hamilton mask he will officially be on board. What the really need in a guy on the bench who can come in and shoot a mid-range J and post up at the 3. Someone like Corliss Williamson. Ugh!
Latest around here is that Joe D is talking to the Mailman about coming to town. That is about the last guy I thought would ever play for Detroit. Who knows? All he would be doing for Detroit is to fill Elden Campbell's role. Maybe more? How much tread is left on those tires?
I wish Darko would get healthy. I really think the kid will blossum (and can be a solid backup this year) when he gets some substantial PT and right now they would have to give him some if he was healthy. |
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| mullysalt |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Mully, what's the news on Brown. Are the folks there really down on him for his comments (non-comments) about coaching NY?
It's a NY Post story right? Nuff said. The funny thing is usually when the Post tries to make news people around here just say,"It's the NY Post what do you expect?" but when they make up news concerning LB everyone around here took the NY Post as gospel. I found that funny. Brown needs to lighten up and smile once in a while, he always looks like someone just crapped in his Kellogg's. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
It's a NY Post story right? Nuff said. The funny thing is usually when the Post tries to make news people around here just say,"It's the NY Post what do you expect?" but when they make up news concerning LB everyone around here took the NY Post as gospel. I found that funny. Brown needs to lighten up and smile once in a while, he always looks like someone just crapped in his Kellogg's.
He's a New Yorker, enough said. |
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| socalJD |
Looks like Shaq is gonna miss a few games: link
Still early, MRI is pending, but when you weigh 350+ lbs, even a mild sprain can become chronic.
Heat fans will feel the same pain that Laker fans have endured the past 3+ seasons - that loud SUCKING sound when half your salary cap is in civies sitting on the bench (or in his living room watching TV) . . .
It will be interesting to see if Dwade can step up and carry the team for a lil' while. |
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| mullysalt |
| Don't look now, rest of the world but the Pistons are hitting their stride at the right time. Joe D made another good move with the Arroyo trade, he has ignited the O. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Looks like Shaq is gonna miss a few games: link
Still early, MRI is pending, but when you weigh 350+ lbs, even a mild sprain can become chronic.
Heat fans will feel the same pain that Laker fans have endured the past 3+ seasons - that loud SUCKING sound when half your salary cap is in civies sitting on the bench (or in his living room watching TV) . . .
It will be interesting to see if Dwade can step up and carry the team for a lil' while.
That's funny, but same time last year, Lakers were 1st or close to it and the Heat was in the cellar. Now, Lakers with Bryant are middle of the pack while the Heat are the #1 seed.
If anything, the facts speak for themselves. Akin to MJ (but certainly not on the same level), Shaq makes his teammates around him better. Kobe can't say the same.
So I'll take Shaq and all his injuries, anyday. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by mullysalt
Don't look now, rest of the world but the Pistons are hitting their stride at the right time. Joe D made another good move with the Arroyo trade, he has ignited the O.
Mully,
Good point. It should be interesting to see, if the Nets make the playoffs (big if) and Jefferson returns (which it appears he will), what impact the big 3 will make. They'll either take on the Heat or the Pistons. |
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| Maik |
Celtics sarting to make a little noise. Could last nite's win over the Suns in Pheonix be the start of a second half run?
One game a season does not make, but it sure was entertaining. |
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| mullysalt |
| I think the East in now clearly ahead of the West in terms of number of good teams. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
. . . If anything, the facts speak for themselves. Akin to MJ (but certainly not on the same level), Shaq makes his teammates around him better. Kobe can't say the same.
So I'll take Shaq and all his injuries, anyday.
Once again conselor, your analysis is flawed. Yes, Heat with Shaq is better right NOW - but the Heat will only go as far as Shaq can carry them, and he's got alot of miles on the odometer - the Heat have a 2-3 yr window, if they don't win the title in this period - game over. If you think Shaq will still be playing in the league 3 yrs from now, I've got some swamp land I'll sell you . . .
Kobe & the Lakers are clearly rebuilding - never said they will contend for the title this year, or even next. But as soon as Grant & Odom's salaries come off the cap, the Lakers will retool and have a much better chance at contending for the title - their window of opportunity is much wider, due to the youth & athleticism of the team they are assembling. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Once again conselor, your analysis is flawed. Yes, Heat with Shaq is better right NOW - but the Heat will only go as far as Shaq can carry them, and he's got alot of miles on the odometer - the Heat have a 2-3 yr window, if they don't win the title in this period - game over. If you think Shaq will still be playing in the league 3 yrs from now, I've got some swamp land I'll sell you . . .
Kobe & the Lakers are clearly rebuilding - never said they will contend for the title this year, or even next. But as soon as Grant & Odom's salaries come off the cap, the Lakers will retool and have a much better chance at contending for the title - their window of opportunity is much wider, due to the youth & athleticism of the team they are assembling.
SocalJD,
You make one huge erroneous assumption in your argument. . . that the other stars in the league would want to play with him. Whoever would go there, would need to kow tow to the Great Kobe.
Which potential free agent is gonna want to do that? Name one? You think Duncan is gonna leave SA to play with Kobe?! Yeah right, I'll take that deposit for the Brooklyn Bridge via Paypal, thank you. Who else? Garnett. He's signed until 2009 and by then will already have had 14 years with the T-Wolves. You're gonna need a big man to ever get past San Antonio. |
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| Maik |
Well, well. The Cetics have now won 7 of 8 since Antoine's return, including wins over the Suns and Pistons.
I have watched more Celtics in the past week than all of last two seasons.
Playoffs may actually be interesting.
While I certainly am not expecting another banner, this town would be turned upside down by a third championship in one year! |
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| laborlitigator |
Heat 102, Lakers 89
Mr. Wade outscores the Great One.
Heat 11 straight.
Miami 51-16, LA 32-32
But I sure hope the Lakers make the eighth seed. Just so they don't have any chance in the lottery. |
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| ByeByeChrysler |
| Glad to see that MoFo Vince Carter and his Nets out. |
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| xfactor |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
...But I sure hope the Lakers make the eighth seed. Just so they don't have any chance in the lottery.
Why? :confused: |
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| Talas |
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Originally posted by ByeByeChrysler
Glad to see that MoFo Vince Carter and his Nets out.
ByeBye I share your gladness....they didn't stand a chance against the heat. Problem is that VC is only going to grow with his new team. They will improve,watch for them next season....................GO RAPS GO (next year) |
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| MDteX |
How about the I45 series between the Mavs and Rockets?? Pretty entertaining. Jeff Van Gundy is in deep do-do. Fined $100K for his remark and Stern threatened to kick him out of basketball.
Go Mavs!:D |
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| msu79gt82 |
Van Gundy was only responding to Cuban's pleading with the ref's to call it tighter on Yao. Yao does not get a break from the ref's (of course he is not the only one; e.g. Shaq); the out of bounds play call with ~50 secs left was a joke :rolleyes:
There is a serious problem with the way NBA games are officiated in general and maybe this controversy will lead to widesperead improvement. As it is now I am getting tired of watching any NBA game the officiating is so pathetic. Having said all that however; it wasn't the refs who missed all those 4th quarter foul shots :eek: |
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| MDteX |
I agree with the officiating. NBA officiating has always favored certain players. If you watch a players feet they could be called for travelling many many times. Fouls could be called more often, etc. Jordan was a classic example of getting the calls. Shaq too.
Maybe the NBA needed someone like Cuban who would like to hold the refs to a higher standard. Maybe the NBA is starting to listen and will make some changes.
Finley was definitely out of bounds when he tapped the ball. But like you said, missing all those foul shots didn't help either. I actually think the refs did the Rockets a favor calling the "ghost" foul on Padgett and stopping the clock sooner. If they had let the clock run until a real foul then the Rockets would not have had the chance they did.
It has definitely been the most entertaining series! :D |
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| laborlitigator |
If the Finals isn't the Spurs v. Heat or Detroit, it will be shocking.
I just don't see anyone stopping Tim. |
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| MDteX |
How about those Mavs pounding of the Rockets in game 7? Sorry msu79gt82! :D Now they were able to take one from the Suns in Phoenix. If they can protect the home court things will be great. But Phoenix won twice in Dallas this year. The Suns are a great team but hopefully the Mavs can hold their own.
The Pacers and Pistons series is also interesting but the Pistons should put them away since the NBA decided the Pacers should be punished for an entire season. A decision I disagree with. |
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| Mr. Mom |
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Originally posted by msu79gt82
Van Gundy was only responding to Cuban's pleading with the ref's to call it tighter on Yao. Yao does not get a break from the ref's (of course he is not the only one; e.g. Shaq); the out of bounds play call with ~50 secs left was a joke :rolleyes:
There is a serious problem with the way NBA games are officiated in general and maybe this controversy will lead to widesperead improvement. As it is now I am getting tired of watching any NBA game the officiating is so pathetic. Having said all that however; it wasn't the refs who missed all those 4th quarter foul shots :eek:
Ref's should be fined for every missed or bad call. :1: |
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| msu79gt82 |
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Originally posted by Mr. Mom
Ref's should be fined for every missed or bad call. :1:
Clearly Van Gundy took his rant too far; however the NBA has a serious problem with officiating - so bad it distracts from the game in my opinion. MLB has started holding umpires accountable for calling Balls & Strikes more accurately by reviewing game tapes with the strike zone box provided with current video technology. I agree that the NBA needs to start reviewing game tapes and holding the refs accountable for blown calls. |
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| xfactor |
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.... I agree that the NBA needs to start reviewing game tapes and holding the refs accountable for blown calls.
That goes triple for the NFL. The worst refs in any sport...:3: |
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| gdot |
My Sonics squeaked past the Spurs last night thanks to a whole lot of missed free throws by Manu and Mr. Duncan. We needed this game or else a sweep would have been inevitable.
What do you guys think about the Ray Allen vs. Bruce Bowen feud? Is Ray smart for trying for stirring it up to get more calls or is he just a whiner? |
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| Mr. Mom |
Just how dirty is the Spurs' Bowen?
Charley Rosen / Special to FOXSports.com
Bruce Bowen has been a member of the NBA All-Defensive Team from 2000 to 2004 (on the first team the first year) , meaning his credentials as a premier defender are impeccable. Despite this fact, many players and coaches privately believe Bowen is the league's dirtiest player.
The underground complaints exploded into headlines nearly six weeks ago after San Antonio bested the Nets in New Jersey. During that game, Vince Carter believed that after every jumper he launched, Bowen was deliberately jumping into his legs. If this was true, Bowen was undertaking the most dangerous and unethical act any defender could possibly commit — one which threatened career-ending damage to the shooter's knees. When the referees ignored Carter's protests, the Invincible Man became so outraged that he was eventually double-T'd and ejected from the game.
The Spurs insisted Bowen was simply playing his normal aggressive defense, and that nothing was amiss. If anything, Bowen's attempts to attack Carter's shots created some unavoidable momentum that caused incidental and harmless contact. Both the media and the NBA were quick to dismiss the incident as evidence of Carter's routine excuse making whenever his team lost.
But many NBA insiders support Carter. They swear that in the course of playing defense, Bowen regularly holds, bumps, hacks, elbows, knees and low-bridges his opponents with impunity. One current coach even went so far as to swear that Bowen employs "some kind of martial art technique to slash and chop at his opponents' arms." |
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| xfactor |
Good. I had hoped to see these three things at Staples next year... (barring a lockout of course)... ;)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2084948
The Lakers may be respectable again in a few years, assuming wise personnel moves are made... (a hefty assumption) |
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| msu79gt82 |
Anyone catch Stevie Wonder on Harmonica last night? Wow :cool:
Game wasn't too bad either; looks like we got a series. |
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| msu79gt82 |
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... looks like we got a series.
Hope everyone enjoys a rare NBA Finals Game 7 :cool: :1: :7: |
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