| sushix |
This one has a heatshield. Does it work better?
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| EXCALIBUR |
sushix,
It looks good, and the price is right. Q: Would you be willing to give it a try?:confused: |
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| socalJD |
| Personally, I like the Manus CAI - it comes with a non-branded cone air filter that provides much more filtration area than K&N or the other K&N knock offs. There's at least a dozen or more members of this board that have bought/used one, and I don't know of any complaints due to poor design or workmanship - now poor mileage due to a heavier right foot is another story . . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Personally, I like the Manus CAI - it comes with a non-branded cone air filter that provides much more filtration area than K&N or the other K&N knock offs.
How is a non-branded better than a branded? ONLY because of more filter area? Does it filter as well, or better? Both K&N and TrueFlow (my choice) and others, offer custom sizes to fit most any setup.
I ordered the same from Manus....so don't mean to be critical here. But I will question things... :4: |
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| sushix |
Does the Pilot Intake work on MDX? Weapon R Intake looks pretty good.
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by sushix
Does the Pilot Intake work on MDX? Weapon R Intake looks pretty good.
I just emailed them with the same question, and also if it fits earlier year models. I was not aware the air intake components have been changed across the years. |
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| sushix |
| Here is the dyno comparison of Weapon R intake and other intake system. Note this is for the cheaper version of the Weapon R Intake. |
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| sushix |
| According to the application guide from the manufacture's website CL, ACCORD, ODYSSEY and PILOT V6 all use the same intake. |
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| DaleB |
| Yup and no mention of MDX. The email I got back from the vendor gave me the same info. Stupid, if it fits an MDX they are missing potential customers. |
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| EXCALIBUR |
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Originally posted by sushix
According to the application guide from the manufacture's website CL, ACCORD, ODYSSEY and PILOT V6 all use the same intake.
Q: If the Weapon-R intake fits the Odyssey and Pilot, then why wouldn't it fit an MDX? Also, it is kind of pricey don't you think?:confused: |
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| phins2rt |
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Originally posted by EXCALIBUR
Q: If the Weapon-R intake fits the Odyssey and Pilot, then why wouldn't it fit an MDX? Also, it is kind of pricey don't you think?:confused:
Most of the intakes I have seen run in the $150-250 range. I have also heard that these do little in the way of hp gain. I have heard that in order to really take advantage of this, the whole system (headers and exhaust) need to be modified as well. Something about you can't inhale more if you can't exhale more. The WHOLE system needs to breathe more. Can anyone comment on this? Thanks. |
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| manus1980 |
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Originally posted by phins2rt
Most of the intakes I have seen run in the $150-250 range. I have also heard that these do little in the way of hp gain. I have heard that in order to really take advantage of this, the whole system (headers and exhaust) need to be modified as well. Something about you can't inhale more if you can't exhale more. The WHOLE system needs to breathe more. Can anyone comment on this? Thanks.
When I did the intake I noticed some improvement. Also noticed a small gain with the custom exhaust and another small gain with the underdriven pulleys as well. Did some other performance work and everything adds up to a very noticeable improvement. A member on the ody board bought the weapon-R and couldn't get it to fit. There is a whole thread on it. There is a thread on the pilot board that shows how to make an intake with plastic pipeing and K&N filter. |
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| DaleB |
quote:
Originally posted by phins2rt
Most of the intakes I have seen run in the $150-250 range. I have also heard that these do little in the way of hp gain. I have heard that in order to really take advantage of this, the whole system (headers and exhaust) need to be modified as well. Something about you can't inhale more if you can't exhale more. The WHOLE system needs to breathe more. Can anyone comment on this? Thanks.
Basically, I think that is true. It may sound better (depending on your taste) and they may be a slight improvement in initial throttle response even with just an aftermarket foam or oil/gauze filter, but nothing of significance would be noted on a dyno. |
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| sushix |
I email Weapon-R and they told me they don't have intake for MDX but they told me they can custom made one for the MDX(don't know how much). I thought Odyssey/Pilot intake will work on the MDX? Here is a picture of Odyssey with CAI Intake installed.
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| EXCALIBUR |
sushix,
A Weapon-R intake for the MDX sounds interesting. Please keep us up to date on what your find out. Please re-post your pics...they are not showing up. Thanks. |
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| sushix |
| Photos are from Odyclub here |
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| EXCALIBUR |
sushix,
That looks like a true Cold Air Intake on that Odyssey. It draws cold air from the area just under the fender well where the Air Resonator Box was removed. My only concern would be the air filter getting wet from splashing through puddles in that location. Any thoughts?:confused: |
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| Northern_MDX |
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Originally posted by EXCALIBUR
My only concern would be the air filter getting wet from splashing through puddles in that location. Any thoughts?:confused:
The inner fender liner should keep the
filter relatively dry. However, at least
on the MDX, the water can come in from
those openings on the lower bumper.
My design with the stock filter box and the
extended air intake pipe was to address this problem (http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/show...performance+mod)
I think it's a more balanced design.
I am in the process of working out a custom exhaust system deal with a local shop. :2: |
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| sushix |
| Ok, I ordered one from ebay. I'll let you guys know when I receive it. |
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| tonsaphun |
| Sushix.......which one did you buy? Is it the one with the heat shield? |
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| sushix |
| Yes, I bought the one with the heat shield. Total was $68.99 with shipping. I already paid for it so I'll should get it next week. |
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| mhartwell |
I guess I posted in the wrong forum the first time when I made comments on the Manus CAI, WR, INJ, et al. I thought I was posting in General - but later found me under $'s & Sense.
Short version was - Manus CAI (again, don't work for or with him - just know a good job when I see one) gets you closest to the original "cold" air source. "Cold" being a relative term. Northern took it one step further by snaking an "L" into the fenderwell. I went one step further than that (although $600 more for R&D and prototyping) by placing a snorkel between the slats in the bottom grill portion and connecting that to a custom intake pipe, which also has somewhat of a "p-trap" for any heavy water. But I've driven my setup in sheets of rain with no ill effect - filter did it's job.
As for "sucking water into the intake", you have to be literally submerged long enough for a head to build and the water actually make entry. Would you have your MDX wheel deep in water for more than a minute? If so, the more likely problem would be extracting yourself from a car being bashed about by flash flood waters.
Whatcha got off ebay is fine for the bling effect. Pop the hood and get some oh-wow's, as well as get to hear the throttle body sucking air. It's pretty neat stuff. As for CAI - probably not . A better term would be Slightly-Hotter-Than-Ambient-Engine-Compartment Air Intake; the "slightly hotter" being due to the restrictive nature of the "heat shield", the small appearance of the filter, and distance from original outside air source. Maybe the filter's bigger than it looks, but looks too small for my requirements. My filter is a 5" diameter, 9" long completely cylindrical unit. You will likely be pumping more hot air into the engine than before, but if the filter area is large enough the effect of hot air into the the manifold may be nullified by increased open air filter area - except then yours is covered by a what looks to be a pretty tight shield.
Anyway, I've done lots of stuff like that in the past and have a whole storeroom full of things that looked like a good idea. You're doing it the right way - buy cheap, no-name and see if it works.
The point of CAI is to grab air from a proximity well outside (colder) the heated air of the engine bay. In my earlier post, I said it looked like Manus had paid attention to that point and located his Intake setup as close as possible to original cold air intake point. At least outside air hits his filter first, snd his filter appears to be larger enough to provide increased air flow - which helps in offsetting restrictions inherent to the MDX.
We did some testing on several short ram intakes on my Forester - back when I was only making around 280whp. The baseline dyno numbers (using an AWD Mustang Dyno) were set with an APS CAI (intake snakes outside the fender liner and into a long conical filter bottomed by a deflector plate that pushes air up into the filter area). Took the whole mess off and tested the popular short rams, including one made by one of the supreme boxer engine parts mfgs. All the short rams (which is what the ebay product is) produced a drop in hp (-)13hp right off the top to a max of (-)27hp when the engine compartment got hot - std operating temp. We were just kinda burning some time on a Sunday afternoon to disprove a bunch of nasioc claims that had been showing up.
But the bling of a short ram is still pretty nifty and the sound of the engine sucking air is intoxicating to some. I think you'll find no improvement, perhaps a loss of power. No point in saying "it FEELS faster". Put it on an AWD dyno - that's how you'll know. A bargain at $68, I'd just enjoy the shine and chuff of the engine gulping air.....hot or cold.
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| manus1980 |
Did some experimenting with different filters and found the best. It is much oversized, inverted filter. The inverted end plugs over the air opening from the bottom of the engine bay sucking in every bit of cold air. In addition air surrounding the filter can get sucked up so their is never a lack of air. For a true cold air intake water ingestion is rare but it does occur. Ever see a large puddle on the highway and a car stranded in the middle? That is engine failure from water ingestion. Below you will see a photo of the large invereted filter and how it plugs into both the aftermarket intake and the air opening at the bottom of the engine bay. I agree with Mhartwell about that particular intake sold on ebay seems to restrictive for even a 4-cylinder and in combination with what I'm guessing a less then 3" pipe will cause a noticeable loss in performance. The factory instake pipe is about 3.3" in diameter.
Did a 0-60 run with a stopwatch. Clocked a 6.6, which is a whole second improvement over stock. Once the recent snow thaws down I'll go down to the race track and post the quarter mile time slip on the forum. |
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| DaleB |
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Did a 0-60 run with a stopwatch. Clocked a 6.6, which is a whole second improvement over stock. Once the recent snow thaws down I'll go down to the race track and post the quarter mile time slip on the forum.
That's quick, Manus....when you post your 1/4 mi times list your mods you feel had a direct effect on your times. Thanks. |
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| mhartwell |
Hey, maybe this will work - the link to my first post about Manus CAI.
http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/show...?threadid=19903
I liked Manus' CAI then and like it even better now. I'm using a similar filter but with a custom fab'd sintered bronze cone (we used an exhaust cone for a mold).
Anyway, sounds like we are all on the right "track" here - more power requires R&D. I have no idea what my track times will be. I can back into that though, by looking at what Manus gets and then simulating the gain with add'l whp I've gotten, less maybe 20% for Manus' mod gains. Ah, heck, doesn't make any difference. If I'm not in the low 13's, I'll be plenty torqued.....
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| Northern_MDX |
Manus:
6.6 sec 0-60 is very exciting ! Given the numbers by the 265hp 04-05 X you may have 300 peak ponnies under the hood, if not more. (unless you have modified the torque curve to suit quick burst).
My 02 with "Northern" intake mod did
7.7 sec 0-60 (3 runs average). The ambient temp was about 5 degree C
at sea level. Car & Driver tested 03
and got 7.8 sec. Based on that I was very happy with my X. My runs were done manually from 1st (to 6500rpm) then 2nd to 60 mile/hour mark. I found if I used D3 from the start I couldn't break 8 sec mark. :rolleyes: even with pedal to the floor all the way..
In the picture below, wouldn't the air resonator block the cold air coming from below? I recalled you had it removed already. Or did you create additional openings on the resonator box to allow more cold air entering it?
Good luck on your 1/4 miles run :4:
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| Northern_MDX |
quote:
Originally posted by mhartwell
Short version was - Manus CAI (again, don't work for or with him - just know a good job when I see one) gets you closest to the original "cold" air source. "Cold" being a relative term. Northern took it one step further by snaking an "L" into the fenderwell. I went one step further than that (although $600 more for R&D and prototyping) by placing a snorkel between the slats in the bottom grill portion and connecting that to a custom intake pipe, which also has somewhat of a "p-trap" for any heavy water. But I've driven my setup in sheets of rain with no ill effect - filter did it's job.
Mike,
Mind if you post a picture of your creation (if available) ?
I promise I wouldn't be a copy-cat ;)
By the way, I am very interested in your mods to the FXT. A good friend of mine at a local Subaru dealer has made
a really tempting deal. Although our financial doesn't allow another car in the family, ... who knows ! :rolleyes:
Just wondering if you have posted your FXT mod somewhere on other forums. A link would be appreciated ! Thanks., |
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| mhartwell |
We have 3-4 digital cam's around here and I just never get pictures up - amazing. Plenty of pictures of baseball and gymnastics - but my stuff....hardly ever.
Anyway, it's just too ugly right now - haven't even ground the tig welds smooth yet - and that's just the prototype. But I do keep a log and will have instructions or pics when we finish....I hope. That's what happens when you have 5 projects going on - no time for progress pics: 1) the MDX of course; 2) a '67 Chevelle (recently changed to radius-groove front belt drive, guy that custom fab'd it is hoppin' mad because I haven't sent him any pics of the install), 3) '04 Forester (now working on lowering the car and custom-made front mount intercooler - mega amount of custom fab), 4) '71 Yamaha 360 Enduro motorcycle (90% restored to new - when done it will be the finest in the country), 5) new Vento scooter for my oldest who immediately removed the head, jug, and piston to take it from 49cc to 72cc, then we said hey, a some crank lightening would really help this baby spin...and well, you get the idea.....
As for copy-catting, that's what I like about forums. I'm always happy to post what I've done and hope others benefit from it. I don't make my living off of patents. Back in my custom harley days, I won "best new custom accessories" at '98 Daytona, but my designs wound up in another guy's catalog. He sells less than 100 units a year because they are so expensive to make (I told him so - they can't be forged or cast - have to be machined from a solid billet block) and he makes very little margin-wise. He didn't ask but I don't care.
On the Forester, I bought it for the utilitarian nature and then realized it had all this performance potential. Most people aren't going to take their car near as far as I've take mine in terms of mods. And now there are a lot of Suby aftermarket suppliers jumping on the Forester-interest bandwagon and making wild claims about performance increases by using their products - Cobb is a good example. So....people buy the XT with expectations that a couple $1000 in aftermarket parts will give them 50% hp increase and when they only get 20%, the sad and deceptive nature of the aftermarket performance parts world sets in..... The only Forester I would buy is an XT. If you don't need the cargo capacity, then look for a slightly used Impreza WRX/STI. Your won't need any mods and if you do spend a couple grand, it will payoff bigtime. Old drag racing rule used to be $50-100/additional hp; for the STI it's more like $10/hp.
I have $10K in mods in the Forester and am maybe halfway to where I want to be. But, I also own the fastest one in the country so far - at least the fasted verified.
'Kay, 'nuff about Foresters. For info on them look at
www.subaruforesters.com
www.nasioc.com
The best sources for info on satisfaction, deals, mods, etc.
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| Northern_MDX |
Mike,
Thanks a lot for the information !
With the great abundance
of aftermarket mods it seems unfair to
a FXT/STI if the owner doesn't at least drop in a CAI, ECU mod, or a turbo catback.
Thanks for sharing. |
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| sushix |
| I just received my intake from ebay. It is raining right now. I'll install it tomorrow |
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| Northern_MDX |
sushix,
Thanks for the update. It does look pretty nice. :4:
I hope the tip of the heat shield will be very close to the opening
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| EXCALIBUR |
sushix,
Looks nice. Could you post some pics of the mounting hardware that came with your intake? Thanks. |
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| sushix |
| The instruction and the rest of the hardwares. Some of the hardwares are attached to the tube already. |
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| sushix |
| here is a picture from the other side |
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| EXCALIBUR |
sushix,
Thanks for the fast response. I would be interested in seeing how you use the bracket and zip ties to secure your intake when you install it. Standing by for further updates. |
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| sushix |
| Here is update on my intake. I now have it installed on my car for more than a month. First of all, this intake is not very loud. You can only notice the difference when you really hit the gas hard. My car "seems"run faster when it hit 4,000 RPM(VTEC rang?) I do notice a little more power when climbing a hill. The overall mpg has been improved on my car. I just got back from vegas with my friend. I got 18mpg in a 250 mile trip. Before the intake the mpg was 17. |
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| maddawg995 |
| How hard was it to install and how long did it take? I have no clue how any of this stuff work but if it's pretty straight forward, I think I can handle it. I'm more interested in the gas mileage increase than anything else. |
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| sushix |
| It took me 25 minutes to install it. You'll need to take out the battery out first. It was pretty easy actually. |
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| maddawg995 |
| Ok, I just ordered it. Any tips on how to go about the installation or are the directions pretty straight forward? |
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