| villageboyrp |
very disappointed with that.
I need it cuz i have astigmatism.
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| hammermdx |
| I hope you have glasses too, I agree that it is very disappointing not to have this on the X! |
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| eurohazard |
| HIDs are on my short "wish list" too. However, my MDX has the best headlights of any of the 20+ cars I've owned. There are likely better lights around (Lexus, Infiniti, BMW) but I have not tested any at night. |
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| nightguy |
quote:
Originally posted by villageboyrp
very disappointed with that.
I need it cuz i have astigmatism.
villageboyrp
Not having them assures that other drivers can see where they're going instead of being temporarily blinded by them. They're great when you're the one behind the wheel. |
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| DaleB |
| Considering how few cars have projectors headlamps, the use of HIDs in production vehicles is still a ways off. |
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| villageboyrp |
quote:
Originally posted by nightguy
Not having them assures that other drivers can see where they're going instead of being temporarily blinded by them. They're great when you're the one behind the wheel.
true HIDs don't blind people if height adjusted properly, it's the fake ones that blind you. The "yo" kids with their rice cars. |
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| BLEXV6 |
| I have the TL, with HID lights and my 04 X. To me the Xs headlights are about as good as my TLs, and I do not get flashed all the time as I do with my TL. I do not think the HIDs are the be all and end all. I like the Xs projection beams. It also likely keeps the price in line. |
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| eurohazard |
quote:
I have the TL, with HID lights and my 04 X. To me the Xs headlights are about as good as my TLs, and I do not get flashed all the time as I do with my TL. I do not think the HIDs are the be all and end all. I like the Xs projection beams. It also likely keeps the price in line.
BLEXV6, good observation! Have you ever been flashed in your MDX? I do on the I-5 all the time, and I don't even use the fog lights. |
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| uboltpb |
I was dissappointed with lack of these too. Surprising since TL and RL have them. With the addition of Bluetooth and XM maybe they thought that was enough new features for one year.
They do have very strong regular headlights.
If adjusted by the factory properly no one gets blinded. |
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| anjan |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by eurohazard
BLEXV6, good observation! Have you ever been flashed in your MDX? I do on the I-5 all the time, and I don't even use the fog lights. [/QUOTE
I get flashed intermittently, with or without the fog lights on. Even though its fun to flash them back with my highs so they REALLY get blinded :D |
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| bri328 |
There are a lot of MDXs in my area. At night they do appear to have xenons. I think its because of the new projector beams for the 2004 and 2005 models. They are very powerful lights and give off a much whiter light than most cars.
I always get flashed when driving at night, but i also always have the fog lights on. |
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| Fireblade6 |
Real Xenons should not blind on-coming traffic or the traffic a driver pulled up to if his car has the approved Xenons.
For example..I notice that some Japanese cars have not really mastered the integration of Xenons whereas with some European cars...they have.
BMW and Mercedes do have a feature called AUTO-LEVELERS on their projectors so that it will not blind opposing drives if the car that has the correct Xenons is on an incline where the lights are pointing up.
Now..there are cars with even projectors with Xenons that can turn at a certain degree to allow the driver to see what is around the corner...but I have not seen the projectors with autolevelers from Japan yet. |
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| G. COLTON |
quote:
Originally posted by villageboyrp
very disappointed with that.
I need it cuz i have astigmatism.
villageboyrp
Because Acuro did not install them on the vehicle!!! |
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| phins2rt |
quote:
Originally posted by Fireblade6
BMW and Mercedes do have a feature called AUTO-LEVELERS on their projectors so that it will not blind opposing drives if the car that has the correct Xenons is on an incline where the lights are pointing up.
Now..there are cars with even projectors with Xenons that can turn at a certain degree to allow the driver to see what is around the corner...but I have not seen the projectors with autolevelers from Japan yet.
Fireblade,
I know the levelers are required in Europe for xenon equipped cars (as well as headlights wipers). Do you know if American made BMWs and MBs have this feature (MLs, X3, X5, Z3, etc)? Just curious if the German made cars leave the levelers on for the American market even though it is not required.
I don't believe Japan has these same requirements for their xenon projectors. |
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| BLEXV6 |
quote:
Originally posted by eurohazard
BLEXV6, good observation! Have you ever been flashed in your MDX? I do on the I-5 all the time, and I don't even use the fog lights.
I get flashed occasionally when I drive the X at night, however very rarely, and I always have the fogs on. |
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| OP MDX |
Why does acura mdx does not have xenon lights?
Because it costs more money. |
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| shootist |
Why does acura mdx not have xenon lights?
A lot of people in a lot of places don't want stock xenon lights. They're so expensive as a replacement part that they make the car a vulnerable target for headlight thieves.
And you can't lock up your headlights, like you can your airbags.
Aftermarket xenon's don't share that problem. |
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| phins2rt |
quote:
Originally posted by shootist
Why does acura mdx not have xenon lights?
A lot of people in a lot of places don't want stock xenon lights. They're so expensive as a replacement part that they make the car a vulnerable target for headlight thieves.
And you can't lock up your headlights, like you can your airbags.
Aftermarket xenon's don't share that problem.
shootist,
I don't see your point here. Acura TL, RL and TSX all have xenons. If Acura's sole reason for not having xenons was because they get ripped off, why would they have them on their other cars?? Or do you think the sales volumes would go down if the MDX had xenons?
:confused:
I think the ripping off of headlights is a lot like the ripping off of air bags that was more common years ago. As xenons become more popular, they will become a commodity item. Even now you can buy xenon bulbs for not much more than SilverStars. |
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| shootist |
quote:
Originally posted by phins2rt
I think the ripping off of headlights is a lot like the ripping off of air bags that was more common years ago. As xenons become more popular, they will become a commodity item. .
Read an article a month or so ago that listed the most popular cars to be vandalized for parts. HID's have apparently become even hotter than air bags among thieves.
In other words, while enthusiasts value HID's, other are afraid of getting them stolen. The net benefit to a car manufacturer is lower than if the manufacturer was selling them to enthusiasts only.
But you're right- HID's are inevitable. |
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| ACX |
xenon would be sweet but it would jack up the price. i find the projectors give off a nice look though w/ good bulbs, like a hoen xenonmatch titanium. fogs too. i drive w/ fogs on and always get flashed. it's the beam of the projector mostly that blinds people though. HIDS IMO suck. even if they were $100 i wouldn't get them. no offense to some of u guys but they're so bright that they're annoying and can blind u temporarily. xenons will not do that. lots of deer in my area and also lots of HID fans too. anyway why doesn't the MDX have xenon?
1 would push price a bit too high for the truck maybe
2 really not needed w/ projectors in acura's opinion
they should at least make the X w/ a bluer bulb. also i haven't seen an'04 /'05 X w/ HID's yet. must be very bright. i wouldn't be surprised if it came w/ a xenon option in a couple years. i would definately get it.:1: |
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| pisay87 |
quote:
Originally posted by ACX
2 really not needed w/ projectors in acura's opinion
I'm very curious, is this Acura's official answer? |
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| phins2rt |
quote:
Originally posted by pisay87
I'm very curious, is this Acura's official answer?
I think if that was the case, they would have halogen projectors in ALL of their cars. |
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| csimo |
I'd like to point out a couple of things. In the USA automobile headlight candlepower is regulated by the DOT. It doesn't matter if the bulb is conventional, halogen, Xenon, Argon, HID, etc. they can't be brighter than DOT specs.
The only real difference in the US is the color of the light. You pay more money to get whiter light (we see white better with a tinge of blue in it).
In other countries the headlights are MUCH brighter than here in the USA. They don't need HID's to do either. |
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| phins2rt |
quote:
Originally posted by csimo
I'd like to point out a couple of things. In the USA automobile headlight candlepower is regulated by the DOT. It doesn't matter if the bulb is conventional, halogen, Xenon, Argon, HID, etc. they can't be brighter than DOT specs.
The only real difference in the US is the color of the light. You pay more money to get whiter light (we see white better with a tinge of blue in it).
In other countries the headlights are MUCH brighter than here in the USA. They don't need HID's to do either.
I'm not sure what you are saying here csimo. European cars have HID. American cars have HID. Both of these systems use the same bulb (Philips 4100K with 3200 lumen output (D2S)). Ecode projectors are somewhat brighter (more reflective) than DOT projectors but not MUCH brighter. I have Ecode projectors in my X and I do not notice that they are MUCH brighter than DOT code projectors.
Halogen in the US runs from at least 1100-1700 lumens depending on the type of bulb. Are you saying Ecode halogens output more lumens than DOT? Or that the Ecode reflector/projector set up allows for more light to be put on the road?
I understand the DOT regulates this but in terms of HID, the same bulb is used on both sides of the Atlantic. |
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| csimo |
quote:
Originally posted by phins2rt
I'm not sure what you are saying here csimo. European cars have HID. American cars have HID. Both of these systems use the same bulb (Philips 4100K with 3200 lumen output (D2S)). Ecode projectors are somewhat brighter (more reflective) than DOT projectors but not MUCH brighter. I have Ecode projectors in my X and I do not notice that they are MUCH brighter than DOT code projectors.
Halogen in the US runs from at least 1100-1700 lumens depending on the type of bulb. Are you saying Ecode halogens output more lumens than DOT? Or that the Ecode reflector/projector set up allows for more light to be put on the road?
I understand the DOT regulates this but in terms of HID, the same bulb is used on both sides of the Atlantic.
I don't remember saying anything about Europe... how did you read it that way? I've driven cars in Mexico, Austrialia, South America, Africa, Iceland, and many other countries that allow cars to come with what seem to be aircraft landing lights. Since you mentioned Europe you should know that many auto's on that continent have adjustable height headligts (this makes the lumen measurment worthless). You can aim them pretty high and get a lot of light out of them.
A lumen in respect to automobile headlights is more a measurment of the reflector than the bulb. Not a good way to measure light output. I can get more lumens out of a 60 watt incandecent bulb than a 100 watt depending on the reflector. Many manufacturers quote lumens becuase they know it means nothing. Bulbs need to measured exclusive of reflectors... candlepower or Candela's. People read these manufacturer's claims and believe statements that really mean nothing.
Now you could put some 2 million candlepower flamethrower bulbs (halogen) in your MDX (100 watt), but all you'd accompish is to melt the enclosure and bulb base (maybe a few wires or fuses too). They'd make HID's look dim, but the HID's would still be whiter. |
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| phins2rt |
quote:
Originally posted by csimo
I don't remember saying anything about Europe... how did you read it that way? I've driven cars in Mexico, Austrialia, South America, Africa, Iceland, and many other countries that allow cars to come with what seem to be aircraft landing lights. Since you mentioned Europe you should know that many auto's on that continent have adjustable height headligts (this makes the lumen measurment worthless). You can aim them pretty high and get a lot of light out of them.
A lumen in respect to automobile headlights is more a measurment of the reflector than the bulb. Not a good way to measure light output. I can get more lumens out of a 60 watt incandecent bulb than a 100 watt depending on the reflector. Many manufacturers quote lumens becuase they know it means nothing. Bulbs need to measured exclusive of reflectors... candlepower or Candela's. People read these manufacturer's claims and believe statements that really mean nothing.
Now you could put some 2 million candlepower flamethrower bulbs (halogen) in your MDX (100 watt), but all you'd accompish is to melt the enclosure and bulb base (maybe a few wires or fuses too). They'd make HID's look dim, but the HID's would still be whiter.
All I have ever heard of is lumens with respect to light output per manufacturers specs. A bulb can only put out so much light. How that light is projected is another story. That is why I am assuming when 3200 lumens is stated, that is what the bulb emits. Now put it in a projector/reflector housing and that light emission will be different but isn't the output still the output? The manufacturer of the bulb has no way of knowing what type or the specs of the housing the bulb will eventually be installed in.
I mentioned Europe with regards to you mentioning other parts of the world. The only other standards I am aware of is JDM and Ecode (I'm sure there are many others). I was just stating that the bulbs used here and there are the same.
Are you saying there is a difference in the output of the bulbs in other countries or that their housings are more capable of producing brighter output? |
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| csimo |
quote:
Originally posted by phins2rt
All I have ever heard of is lumens with respect to light output per manufacturers specs. A bulb can only put out so much light. How that light is projected is another story. That is why I am assuming when 3200 lumens is stated, that is what the bulb emits. Now put it in a projector/reflector housing and that light emission will be different but isn't the output still the output? The manufacturer of the bulb has no way of knowing what type or the specs of the housing the bulb will eventually be installed in.
I mentioned Europe with regards to you mentioning other parts of the world. The only other standards I am aware of is JDM and Ecode (I'm sure there are many others). I was just stating that the bulbs used here and there are the same.
Are you saying there is a difference in the output of the bulbs in other countries or that their housings are more capable of producing brighter output?
I went thru this lumens, candlepower thing once many years ago, and don't claim to be an expert on it. But to simplify it as I know it, candlepower is the measurement of how much light the bulb itself produces (at the bulb itself), a lumen is a measurement of how much light reaches a specific point at a distance from the source. Thus a reflector can have drastic effects on the lumen rating, but the candlepower is an absolute rating of the bulb itself.
As for "standards" in other countries... that's the point. Many countries have no standards. I was in the automobile industry for many years. Although I've been out of the industry for many years, I have been in over 20 automobile manufacturing plants in North America (regardless of brand) reviewing methods and standards (I actually worked for GM and Chrysler but have been in Ford, VW, Honda, and Toyota plants for weeks at a time... spent three years doing this). Vehicles made for export do receive many different parts. For example the headlight assemblies for US vehicles are normally stationary but those made for Europe are many times adjustable by the driver.
The options for vehicles made in North America for export are mouth watering. How about a Chrysler minivan with a diesel engine that gets 30mpg? Made in the USA but not for sale in the USA. |
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| phins2rt |
quote:
Originally posted by csimo
I went thru this lumens, candlepower thing once many years ago, and don't claim to be an expert on it. But to simplify it as I know it, candlepower is the measurement of how much light the bulb itself produces (at the bulb itself), a lumen is a measurement of how much light reaches a specific point at a distance from the source. Thus a reflector can have drastic effects on the lumen rating, but the candlepower is an absolute rating of the bulb itself.
As for "standards" in other countries... that's the point. Many countries have no standards. I was in the automobile industry for many years. Although I've been out of the industry for many years, I have been in many (over 20) automobile manufacturing plants in North America (regardless of brand). Vehicles made for export do receive many different parts. For example the headlight assemblies for US vehicles are normally stationary but those made for Europe are many times adjustable by the driver.
The options for vehicles made in North America for export are mouth watering. How about a Chrysler minivan with a diesel engine that gets 30mpg? Made in the USA but not for sale in the USA.
Ahh. Now I see said the blind man. I was assuming lumens were measured the way you stated candlepower is measured.
With regards to standards, I am assuming with a lack of standards in some countries that it may be somewhat difficult to drive at night into oncoming traffic??? I would imagine the glare can be unbearable.
BTW, does the diesel not meet our emission standards? Sure would be nice to have something like that here.:D |
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| csimo |
I don't know about the diesel, but that's just an example. So many options we'd love to see in vehicles are actually built in North America for export only.
Many cars exported to Europe have diesel engine options. The Japanese manufacturers are a little behind on the diesel front, but some very fine diesel engines are made in Japan. Nissan makes some good ones, and Hino has become a major worldwide player in the heavy duty diesel market.
I'd LOVE to have a diesel in my MDX. For those of you that think of diesel's as loud, foul smelling, and slow haven't driven a vehicle with a modern diesel engine. There are exceptions... the new Jeep Liberty diesel is not a tamed beast as of yet, but Cummins has made the ISB engine used in the Dodge trucks a wonderful engine.
Getting way off topic here... sorry! |
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| DaleB |
quote:
Originally posted by deltajetfixer
Check out a Dodge Sprinter!
Dodge Sprinter Website
I tried to 'build' one but gave up when I could not find any alloy wheels. :D |
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| phins2rt |
| Man that is one ugly van!! |
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| csimo |
Here's a link to Chrysler South Africa. The Voyager there has three engine choices... a 2.4 and 3.2 liter gasoline engine, and a 2.8 liter turbo diesel.
These are vehicles built in North America and exported. Here in the USA we no choice of engines on that vehicle at all!
http://www.chrysler.co.za/chrysler/...ink=4&sublink=1 |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by ACX
xenon would be sweet but it would jack up the price. i find the projectors give off a nice look though w/ good bulbs, like a hoen xenonmatch titanium. fogs too. i drive w/ fogs on and always get flashed. it's the beam of the projector mostly that blinds people though. HIDS IMO suck. even if they were $100 i wouldn't get them. no offense to some of u guys but they're so bright that they're annoying and can blind u temporarily. xenons will not do that. lots of deer in my area and also lots of HID fans too. anyway why doesn't the MDX have xenon?
1 would push price a bit too high for the truck maybe
2 really not needed w/ projectors in acura's opinion
they should at least make the X w/ a bluer bulb. also i haven't seen an'04 /'05 X w/ HID's yet. must be very bright. i wouldn't be surprised if it came w/ a xenon option in a couple years. i would definately get it.:1:
You start by saying Xenon would be sweet and then say HIDs suck. Make up your mind. They are the same thing. Xenon is the gas used in HIDs.
Acura doesn't put HIDs in the MDX because they think the headlights are too high and would blind people. True they are mounted higher than passenger sedans like the RL and TL but they could be aimed correctly and not blind people. Besides many other SUVs have HID. They MDX could too, but AHMC is a very conservative company. |
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| ACX |
| all i know is the look of a true xenon headlight, say from an AMG S class or from almost any other vehicle w/ true xenon, looks a hell of alot better than an MDX or any other vehicle w/ HIDS. so if u say they're the same thing that's good, but they don't look the same . that's what i'm trying to say. |
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| DaleB |
quote:
Originally posted by ACX
all i know is the look of a true xenon headlight, say from an AMG S class or from almost any other vehicle w/ true xenon, looks a hell of alot better than an MDX or any other vehicle w/ HIDS. so if u say they're the same thing that's good, but they don't look the same . that's what i'm trying to say.
After-market HIDs are in no way the same as stock ones. Yes, they work on the same principle, but the stock halogen reflector housing compromises the use of HIDs, compared with light housings designed for them.
Both still put more light out on the road, but they not equally as effective. |
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| LesterIQof89 |
quote:
Originally posted by Fireblade6
Real Xenons should not blind on-coming traffic or the traffic a driver pulled up to if his car has the approved Xenons.
For example..I notice that some Japanese cars have not really mastered the integration of Xenons whereas with some European cars...they have.
BMW and Mercedes do have a feature called AUTO-LEVELERS on their projectors so that it will not blind opposing drives if the car that has the correct Xenons is on an incline where the lights are pointing up.
Now..there are cars with even projectors with Xenons that can turn at a certain degree to allow the driver to see what is around the corner...but I have not seen the projectors with autolevelers from Japan yet.
please, don't ever compare japanese electronics to german. german electronics are horrible. something always breaks. auto levelers are not required in america, that is why many japanese cars don't have them. the only japanese cars with auto levelers are lexuses. i love how you keep talking about 'correct' and 'approved' xenons. what on earth are you talking about? are you talking about auto leveling? all oem xenons are the same, only the projector/reflectors might be different. |
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| LesterIQof89 |
quote:
Originally posted by ACX
all i know is the look of a true xenon headlight, say from an AMG S class or from almost any other vehicle w/ true xenon, looks a hell of alot better than an MDX or any other vehicle w/ HIDS. so if u say they're the same thing that's good, but they don't look the same . that's what i'm trying to say.
true xenons? all oem hids are 'true' xenons. of course oem hids will look better than hid kits dropped into halogen housings. projector headlights also have a blue/purple tint at certain angles while reflectors don't. all cars with projector headlights have this, not only those with hids. |
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| RichG |
Glad to see this discussion rages on... Hopefully Acura will pay attention. I swapped in PIAA bulbs for my lows and believe I now have pretty much the best that halogen/projector can offer in terms of brightness and whiteness. I may invest in HID after a little while - there are other accessories I want first.
I have 2 reasons that the MDX should come with auto-leveled HIDs stock:
1) Performance: i'm still over-driving my lights on the highway. There are many situations when I need another 10-30 yards of visibility but can't use highs because I'm on a well-travelled highway. I'm not cruising at 80-90 mph either. If there's a tire or dead animal in the road I want to know about it as far in advance as possible. Having driven a BMW 7-series I know that well-designed HIDs can light up the road further without blinding other drivers.
2) Ego: I am now obsessed with others' lights. When I see HIDs coming at me I want to know the make and model of that car. When it's a lexus or BMW SUV with HIDs I feel weak and useless. I long for their status, power and good looks. I wonder, "why me?" "Why must I always get just so close but never attain what others have."
Clearly, I need help.
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| Texas |
This would be a moot point if HID was at least offered as an option or as part of a "package".
If I wanted to pay the extra price for them, it would be nice to be able get them from the factory instead of having to go through third-party sources.
Thanks,
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| shootist |
quote:
Originally posted by RichG
...I have 2 reasons that the MDX should come with auto-leveled HIDs stock:
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:banghead:
And I have one big reason why they shouldn't.
NY Times had an article on Sunday about theft of xenon lights. One poor lady had $7,500 damage done to her RX330 as the thieves took 30 seconds to rip out the headlights for resale.
The cops advised her to sell the car quickly, because "the thieves knew where she lived, and would be back over and over again."
If you put htem in aftermarket, the thieves aren't targeting your vehicle from a shopping list. |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by shootist
And I have one big reason why they shouldn't.
NY Times had an article on Sunday about theft of xenon lights. One poor lady had $7,500 damage done to her RX330 as the thieves took 30 seconds to rip out the headlights for resale.
The cops advised her to sell the car quickly, because "the thieves knew where she lived, and would be back over and over again."
If you put htem in aftermarket, the thieves aren't targeting your vehicle from a shopping list.
A nice thing about Texas and having a garage. My HID's are safe every night. If someone breaks into the garage/house I have more important things to worry about besides HIDs. :( |
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| IntaminFan628 |
| i have HIDs on my RL, and personally i think they do not illuminate the road far enough ahead, i can illunminate a sign 50 feet ahead when i bounce, but the road there does not become light enough to see an obstacle. ALso i have been high beamed numerous times |
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| M1A2C2KaLi |
| I believe the "official" reason is that the stance of the MDX is too high so that would mean the MDX having xenon's wouldn't happen soon |
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| BWSmith201 |
Yeah, that's what I've heard, too, but I'm not entirely convinced. Lots of SUVs have them, X5s, the Escalade, even the XC90, and they're certainly safety concious at Volvo! It could be semi-true, but I remain skeptical, myself. Sounds as much like a cost issue than anything else to me.
I have aftermarket HIDs, FWIW, and I rarely, if ever, get flashed, either on the interstate or surface streets, anywhere in the country (I drive back east several times a year). I guess my installers were really on the ball, because I never have a problem with them!
Probably some combination of both safety concern and cost, IMHO... |
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| uboltpb |
Acura's official reason may be "HIDS would be too high and be a hazard to other dirvers". I don't believe that. My feeling is that it's a marketing issue. As an example, the 2005 MDX has Bluetooth and XM this year. One of the reasons I bought my '05 MDX was because of those 2 features.
Another new feature for '05 was the addition of Onstar. This might be a reason for others to purchase an '05. There are people who visit this forum who have traded in a relatively new model vehicle because they were desirous of one, some or all of these new features. I believe that Acura will begin offering HIDS in the near future. They may offer it next year, or the year that they redesign the MDX- I guess that's supposed to happen sometime in the 2006-2008 model years. Along with the redesign, people may get a new vehicle because the "have to have HIDS".
Just my 2 cents. Keep the change! |
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| 1SICKLEX |
I am not sure why Acura doesn't have HIDs, the cheap TSX even has them as the TL and RL.
I know Lexus has moved from reflector to projector style HIDs. And they almost all have the optional Adaptive Front Lighting System (AFS) which helps illuminate more of the road in a turn. In a left-hand turn, the left headlight will pivot up to 15 degrees (the right-hand headlight remains pointed straight ahead) and in a right-hand turn, the right headlight will pivot up to 5 degrees (the left-hand headlight remains pointed straight ahead).
The reflector setups had the auto-leveling feature as well, if you look at the headlights when first turned on, the HIDs move up and down. A nice conversation piece.
From my understanding the GX and LX dont have them to prevent blinding drivers. I am sure there will be a work around on the next generation.
HIDs are all around better than any halogen. Period. No comparison, its like night and day. And they do not give oncoming drivers glare and prevent eye fatigue for the driver.
WHats next is LEDs in headlights, probably in the next 10-15 years.... |
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| IntaminFan628 |
quote:
Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
HIDs are all around better than any halogen. Period. No comparison, its like night and day. And they do not give oncoming drivers glare and prevent eye fatigue for the driver.
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Having been on both ends of HIDs i can say they are better, BUT they DO give glare to oncoming driver's. Half the time i am blinded by them and also i get high beamed when driving on a street without overhead street lamps. HIDs are always nice to have on your end rather than the recieving end! |
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| uboltpb |
quote:
Originally posted by IntaminFan628
Having been on both ends of HIDs i can say they are better, BUT they DO give glare to oncoming driver's. Half the time i am blinded by them and also i get high beamed when driving on a street without overhead street lamps. HIDs are always nice to have on your end rather than the recieving end!
Maybe some people are more sensitive to the HID's then others. Personally, I've never been blinded by an oncoming driver that has them. I find that there is no glare either. If the HIDS are set up properly from the factory these should be non issues for most/all people. The problem arises I feel when people buy after market HIDS and install them improperly.
I have HIDS in my TL and they are much brighter and light up the road much further than the halogens in my MDX. |
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| vlam |
Are people blinded by oem HID because it's HID or because the beam pattern is different than the vehicle around it so one to think that it's not correct? If 9 out of the 10 incomming vehicles has oem HID, would you think that the vehicle with halogen headlamp distracts your vision?
Are there such research data? |
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| 1SICKLEX |
From my understanding, scientifically speaking, HIDs cause less glare than Halogens (looking for chart, lol).
A lot of it IMO is phsycological, people without HIDs either want them bad or hate them with a passion. And the ones that hate them state "they are blinding" when in fact, its not as bad you think.
Clearly is more and more car makers are adding or have HIDs, it must be progressive and better than halogens. As LEDs are becoming popular in rear tails.
Now all OEM units have to be 4300k. You do have people adding higher temperature HIDs, 6000k gives the real blueish tint, 8000k gives the purpleish tint. These do cause glare and are for off-road use only technicallly. |
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| Echo2625 |
| I have been told by my dealer that the 2006 X will probably have HIDs...if not, for sure the completely new 2007 will have them. |
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| Rhythmicity |
| One dealer said that the MDX headlights were too high off the ground for the HIDs to be legal to use on the MDX. I just purchased my MDX last Friday and I am very pleased with the brightness and the accuracy and level of the headlights. They are by far the best of any vehicle I have ever driven. I must say though that I have a friend who just bought a BMW who has those kind of lights and looking out of the windshield while driving the car at night is a very cool experience. |
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| phins2rt |
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Originally posted by Rhythmicity
One dealer said that the MDX headlights were too high off the ground for the HIDs to be legal to use on the MDX.
Amazing how almost every other luxury SUV has managed to have them legally...:rolleyes: |
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