| Pauls MDX |
I'm about to replace my original tires at 67,000 miles. Just wanted to let everyone know to be careful when purchasing these tires. They come in 2 speed ratings S & T. The "T" rated is what had come with the vehicle from Acura. The prices are cheaper for the "S" rated tires. I had noticed a difference in the tires prices and was confused until I realized that was the difference. Costco has them for $161.00 for each tire including the Road Hazzard, free flat fixes, and free tire rotation for the life of the tires. They also fill the tires with nitrogen instead of air so you will not have a varience in tire pressure due to heat. Pretty Cool. They also include the mounting & balancing in the price. I was going to go for the new goodyears or bridgestone, but alot of people said I don't have a chance at getting 60,000 miles out of a goodyear or bridgestone. I've been very happy with the Cross-Terrain, so I'm going to stick with them.
PS - I've been away for a while due to another rear end hit while sitting at a red light. Been very pissed. Got rear ended and was thrown into another vehicle in front. Had to replace the rear bumper, Genax bar and the front bumper and lower trim. The accident came to about $8,000 in damages and everyone involved with the accident had terrible insurance with low coverage. I'll post some new pic's soon just got out of body shop. I forgot to take pic's of the damages, it was too upsetting to even take a picture!! |
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| Echo2625 |
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Originally posted by Pauls MDX
I'm about to replace my original tires at 67,000 miles. Just wanted to let everyone know to be careful when purchasing these tires. They come in 2 speed ratings S & T. The "T" rated is what had come with the vehicle from Acura. The prices are cheaper for the "S" rated tires. I had noticed a difference in the tires prices and was confused until I realized that was the difference. Costco has them for $161.00 for each tire including the Road Hazzard, free flat fixes, and free tire rotation for the life of the tires. They also fill the tires with nitrogen instead of air so you will not have a varience in tire pressure due to heat. Pretty Cool. They also include the mounting & balancing in the price. I was going to go for the new goodyears or bridgestone, but alot of people said I don't have a chance at getting 60,000 miles out of a goodyear or bridgestone. I've been very happy with the Cross-Terrain, so I'm going to stick with them.
PS - I've been away for a while due to another rear end hit while sitting at a red light. Been very pissed. Got rear ended and was thrown into another vehicle in front. Had to replace the rear bumper, Genax bar and the front bumper and lower trim. The accident came to about $8,000 in damages and everyone involved with the accident had terrible insurance with low coverage. I'll post some new pic's soon just got out of body shop. I forgot to take pic's of the damages, it was too upsetting to even take a picture!!
The Goodyear Fortera would have given you 60,000 miles + no problem. I have had 3 different sets on 3 different SUV's and they wear like iron! I have 15,000 miles on 1 set now and the dealer said that the tires look like new.
The Fortera would have given you a better ride, better handling in all weather especially rain and snow and better braking than the Cross Terrains. The Fortera also costs a litte less than the Cross Terrains.
I speak from experience as 2 of my SUV's (The X and my Bravada) came with the Michelin Cross Terrains as OE tires. |
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| ByeByeChrysler |
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Originally posted by Pauls MDX
PS - I've been away for a while due to another rear end hit while sitting at a red light. Been very pissed. Got rear ended and was thrown into another vehicle in front. Had to replace the rear bumper, Genax bar and the front bumper and lower trim. The accident came to about $8,000 in damages and everyone involved with the accident had terrible insurance with low coverage. I'll post some new pic's soon just got out of body shop. I forgot to take pic's of the damages, it was too upsetting to even take a picture!!
$8,000:eek: Anyone injured? Whiplash? |
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| hammermdx |
| Bummer Paul, glad to see you back! What speed rating is Costco offering for taht price? |
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| perk |
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Originally posted by Echo2625
The Goodyear Fortera would have given you 60,000 miles + no problem. I have had 3 different sets on 3 different SUV's and they wear like iron! I have 15,000 miles on 1 set now and the dealer said that the tires look like new.
The Fortera would have given you a better ride, better handling in all weather especially rain and snow and better braking than the Cross Terrains. The Fortera also costs a litte less than the Cross Terrains.
I speak from experience as 2 of my SUV's (The X and my Bravada) came with the Michelin Cross Terrains as OE tires.
I have 44k on my cross terrrains and they look barely worn. I'm betting that i get at least 65k out of them. Funny thing is that I've heard such good things about GY Fortera that I'm anxious to replace the CTs and try the Forteras out. |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by perk
I have 44k on my cross terrrains and they look barely worn. I'm betting that i get at least 65k out of them. Funny thing is that I've heard such good things about GY Fortera that I'm anxious to replace the CTs and try the Forteras out.
I got cheapie BFG Traction T/A Spec on my X. After about 1000 miles I can say I notice no difference in the dry or wet (have not tried snow yet) plus the tires are significantly quieter than the CTs, and smoother over tar strips.
For about $350 a set less tax (and/or shipping) & road hazard they are a bargain. I can't justify paying more for my use. Which is quite average I think. I will not pay for fancy sidewalls or other ad hype.
They are rated 620 A/B and made in the USA. |
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| Dick at Incline |
Filling tires with Nitrogen seems like the way to go. I don't know all the advantages, but since Oxygen attacks tires, it's probably good to keep it out. However, Tire pressure will still increase with temperature, taking the Oxygen out has nothing to do with that.
The principle that governs that is: PV=nRT. with V being constant then as T goes up, so P goes up. |
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| Pauls MDX |
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Originally posted by ByeByeChrysler
$8,000:eek: Anyone injured? Whiplash?
No-one injured, just the rear and front bumpers, didn't even break the tailights or the headlights, all fenders are OK also. |
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| Pauls MDX |
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Originally posted by hammermdx
Bummer Paul, glad to see you back! What speed rating is Costco offering for taht price?
Costco has the T rated only, but alot of websites have the S rated at $130 -$140 a tire. Look on the sidewall for the 103T for the original ones. |
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| Pauls MDX |
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Originally posted by perk
I have 44k on my cross terrrains and they look barely worn. I'm betting that i get at least 65k out of them. Funny thing is that I've heard such good things about GY Fortera that I'm anxious to replace the CTs and try the Forteras out.
I would of tried the Forteras or the Bridgestone but I didn't want a firmer ride. I wanted to keep the Lincoln Towncar type ride I get with the Michelin's. I wasn't looking for feeling the road so much and wanted the longer life. I am very hard on tires, that's why I choose the Michelin's. I bet you can get 65K from the Goodyear or Bridgestone but you must be much easier on the driving. The mileage rating wasn't as good so I stuck with the OEM's. |
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| Sinecure |
Dick,
Do you run different tires winter and summer up there? Since I drive back to the Bay Area during each week, I don't really have that option, but I've considered it. I'll probably do it on my next vehicle (and get a second set of wheels to make the changes easier like I used to when I lived in NH).
I've found that the the Cross Terrains once you get to about 40 or 45K, their snow performance really falls off. This year I needed new tires rather urgently the week before my first trip to Tahoe. The tire store didn't have CTs in stock so I let them talk me into the Yokohama Geolander H/T-S. They underperform badly in snow. They're fine on dry, but hell, I could do fine with slicks on the dry. I do NOT recommend these tires for anyone who needs to drive in snow. Oh well, chalk it up to experience. Since my ski season got cut short this year, it hasn't been too bad, but they're really gonna suck next season when they have 20K on them.
If you don't run two sets of tires, what do you run as a year-round tire?
Oh, and is it snowing right now in Tahoe? Its pissing rain down here in the Bay. |
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| Echo2625 |
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Originally posted by Pauls MDX
I would of tried the Forteras or the Bridgestone but I didn't want a firmer ride. I wanted to keep the Lincoln Towncar type ride I get with the Michelin's. I wasn't looking for feeling the road so much and wanted the longer life. I am very hard on tires, that's why I choose the Michelin's. I bet you can get 65K from the Goodyear or Bridgestone but you must be much easier on the driving. The mileage rating wasn't as good so I stuck with the OEM's.
Believe me when I tell you that the Forteras do NOT create a firmer ride!
They are a much better riding tire than the Cross Terrains. I have had both on 2 different SUV's now so I feel that I can compare them quite well.
The Fortera also has a 70,000 mile tread life warranty that included lifetime rotation and balance for free. |
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| Pauls MDX |
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Originally posted by Echo2625
Believe me when I tell you that the Forteras do NOT create a firmer ride!
They are a much better riding tire than the Cross Terrains. I have had both on 2 different SUV's now so I feel that I can compare them quite well.
The Fortera also has a 70,000 mile tread life warranty that included lifetime rotation and balance for free.
Michelin had a little higher rating which also helped my decision, but both appear to be excellent tires. |
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| Echo2625 |
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Originally posted by Pauls MDX
:eek:
Each company rates their tires a little different.
My ratings come from real life experience with both tires.
The Fortera is much better in snow and rain and the overall handling is better. |
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| Dick at Incline |
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Originally posted by Sinecure
Dick,
Do you run different tires winter and summer up there? Since I drive back to the Bay Area during each week, I don't really have that option, but I've considered it. I'll probably do it on my next vehicle (and get a second set of wheels to make the changes easier like I used to when I lived in NH).
I've found that the the Cross Terrains once you get to about 40 or 45K, their snow performance really falls off. This year I needed new tires rather urgently the week before my first trip to Tahoe. The tire store didn't have CTs in stock so I let them talk me into the Yokohama Geolander H/T-S. They underperform badly in snow. They're fine on dry, but hell, I could do fine with slicks on the dry. I do NOT recommend these tires for anyone who needs to drive in snow. Oh well, chalk it up to experience. Since my ski season got cut short this year, it hasn't been too bad, but they're really gonna suck next season when they have 20K on them.
If you don't run two sets of tires, what do you run as a year-round tire?
Oh, and is it snowing right now in Tahoe? Its pissing rain down here in the Bay.
I run the CTs year round, and they work very well, even going up to visit friends 10% grade (I have about 26,000 miles on them). However, I saw a lady stop and then get stuck trying to get up a grade at Diamond Peak parking lot. I showed her how to lock VTM-4 and then she got underway no problem. In past years (and currently) I have Michelin MTX and they work well as an all season tire.
It just started snowing up here about 9PM and we expect it to go through the weekend.
This board seems to think highly of the Goodyear Fortera, and I plan to get those as my next tire. |
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| Pauls MDX |
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| MMIIMDX |
This seems to be the current trend at tire stores, and it's being adopted very quickly. According to many professionals who rely on inflated tires of some kind, nitrogen works better than oxygen (a main component in air) because it won't migrate out of a tire as fast as oxygen, it contains no moisture like oxygen, and it is an inert gas with larger molecules than oxygen that won't expand or contract as much as oxygen during extreme heat or cold. So, all of this means better fuel mileage, better handling due to a more constant road contact patch, longer tire life, and no inner wheel rust on steel wheels.
Only question for me is, what do you do when the pressure does get low and you need to add inflation? Seems you have to go to a place that has nitrogen inflation. |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by MMIIMDX
So, all of this means better fuel mileage, better handling due to a more constant road contact patch, longer tire life, and no inner wheel rust on steel wheels.
And number one.... Lures you back to the dealer to check your tires! |
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| Sinecure |
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Originally posted by MMIIMDX
Only question for me is, what do you do when the pressure does get low and you need to add inflation? Seems you have to go to a place that has nitrogen inflation.
You put air in them just like normal!
BTW, I know you probably didn't mean it, but no one puts oxygen in tires. People either put in air or nitrogen (normal air is 80% nitrogen anyway). If you put in Oxygen and had a blowout, it would be rather exciting when the wheel hit the pavement and made a spark! Or if there were any oil based anything in/on the wheel you'd get a major explosion (oxygen + oil = bad).
For normal use, nitrogen isn't going to make any noticeable difference. If you take your vehicle to the track, it might (I take my motorcycle to the track, but I still use air). |
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| Dick at Incline |
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Originally posted by MMIIMDX
This seems to be the current trend at tire stores, and it's being adopted very quickly. According to many professionals who rely on inflated tires of some kind, nitrogen works better than oxygen (a main component in air) because it won't migrate out of a tire as fast as oxygen, it contains no moisture like oxygen, and it is an inert gas with larger molecules than oxygen that won't expand or contract as much as oxygen during extreme heat or cold. So, all of this means better fuel mileage, better handling due to a more constant road contact patch, longer tire life, and no inner wheel rust on steel wheels.
Only question for me is, what do you do when the pressure does get low and you need to add inflation? Seems you have to go to a place that has nitrogen inflation.
Oh My goodness--looks like we need a little Chemistry lesson. (1) As pointed out below, Air is about 80% Nitrogen and 20% Oxygen, (2) Nitrogen is not inert--Helium is inert, Neon is inert, Argon is inert, but neither Nitrogen or Oxygen are inert. (3) Nitrogen has an atomic weight of 14 and Oxygen has an atomic weight of 16. So Nitrogen in the air exists as N2, and Oxygen as O2. N2 has an atomic weight of 28 and O2 of 32. So nitrogen are not "larger molecules" . (4) The size of the molecule has nothing to do with how much it expands or contracts with heat or cold. Once you fill the tire with Air or N2 to a fixed pressure--say 32psi, then any increase in temperatue will cause either gas to increase in pressure by the same amount. PV=nrT. (4) Oxygen contains no moisture--AIR contains moisture. Dry Nitrogen, or dry Oxygen contain no moisture. Anyone want to take over where I left off. I'm just trying to eschew obfuscation. |
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| Pauls MDX |
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Originally posted by MMIIMDX
This seems to be the current trend at tire stores, and it's being adopted very quickly. According to many professionals who rely on inflated tires of some kind, nitrogen works better than oxygen (a main component in air) because it won't migrate out of a tire as fast as oxygen, it contains no moisture like oxygen, and it is an inert gas with larger molecules than oxygen that won't expand or contract as much as oxygen during extreme heat or cold. So, all of this means better fuel mileage, better handling due to a more constant road contact patch, longer tire life, and no inner wheel rust on steel wheels.
Only question for me is, what do you do when the pressure does get low and you need to add inflation? Seems you have to go to a place that has nitrogen inflation.
Costco recommends that you use regular air if needed, then when you go to Costco again they will always refill the tire as needed. They will actually drain the entire tire and refill with 100% Nitrogen at no cost and as many times as needed! Only good if live close to Costco. |
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