| cycler15 |
It's never too early to start talking college football.
Just as I said last year, the USC Trojans will go wire to wire as the number 1 team in the nation and three peat! |
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| msu79gt82 |
| Hopefully between the Yellow Jackets, Tigers, and Red Raiders one of my teams will be exciting :cool: :1: |
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| anjan |
| They play football in college? Is that like NFL in diapers? :2: |
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| cycler15 |
Being a USC alumn... of course I am faithful to the Pac 10. It always amazes me how people from the midwest and east coast think the Pac 10 is a weak conference.
I just read a football magazine today that showed that the Pac 10 has the highest non-conference winning percentage against other BCS schools over the last couple of years at 48-47. No other league was over .500
Also the Pac 10 has the highest BCS bowl game winning percentage since 2000 with a 6-1 record (thanks to 3 wins by USC). |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
They play football in college? Is that like NFL in diapers? :2:
I will always believe that college football is more exciting than pro football. You can't compare sitting in a stadium with 90,000+ people, hearing your school's fight song, and beating your heated rival. Plus, since every game is so important to the rankings, there are crazy upsets every week that make the college season so exciting and unpredicable. Plus I'm sick of pro athletes holding out of multi year contracts worth tens of millions (T. Owens) because they think they should be paid more. |
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| anjan |
I'll give you the pro player shenanigans but college football is so boring I feel like switching to the golf channel :D Not their fault - they are just amateur players and it shows. That is why there are so many college players coming into the NFL thinking they are the hottest thing around until they take the field and get a reality check....
As much as I think TO is a crybaby, he is an exceptional receiver and no worse than any other professional in any sport. All whiners. |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
Not their fault - they are just amateur players and it shows.
Have you seen USC play lately? :cool:
I would put even money that they could beat an NFL team. |
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| anjan |
| :21: You have to be kidding me. You think USC can even stay on the field against teams like Patriots, Steelers, Colts etc? You have to be kidding me. Are you sure you're not high on something? :D |
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| gdot |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
:21: You have to be kidding me. You think USC can even stay on the field against teams like Patriots, Steelers, Colts etc? You have to be kidding me. Are you sure you're not high on something? :D
Probably not those teams you mentioned, but they can definitely keep up and have a good chance beating the lower rung teams like the niners, dolphins, etc. Don't sleep on SC. Their team is solid. It'll be interesting to see how they do with Norm Chow gone though. |
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| anjan |
You missed Bengals :D We can have an acuramdx.org team and beat them handily :2: But in any sport, you should match best against best (or worst against worst for kicks).
The college football players are of course good because many end up in NFL but naturally, a little green behind the ears. |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
:21: You have to be kidding me. You think USC can even stay on the field against teams like Patriots, Steelers, Colts etc? You have to be kidding me. Are you sure you're not high on something? :D
I didn't say against the top teams. But they definitely would have given last year's Dolphins or 49ers a run for their money. And no, I'm not high on something.... at least right now I'm not.... :D |
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| bzboy |
I'm rooting for the Huskers. No they wont win their division. Yes they will get smacked by oklahoma and texas. But they are rebuilding, they got a great recruit class last year, and they will be back!!! GO BIG RED
p.s. anybody who has been to a husker game in lincoln will know that husker fans are the nicest and most loyal fans anywhere!!!
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by bzboy
I'm rooting for the Huskers. No they wont win their division. Yes they will get smacked by oklahoma and texas. But they are rebuilding, they got a great recruit class last year, and they will be back!!! GO BIG RED
p.s. anybody who has been to a husker game in lincoln will know that husker fans are the nicest and most loyal fans anywhere!!!
:2:
Nebraska comes to the LA Coliseum in 2006 to play USC. That's a game I'm looking forward to watching in person. I wonder how many husker fans will come to LA for the game. |
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| bzboy |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
I wonder how many husker fans will come to LA for the game.
There is a California chapter of cornhusker fans believe it or not. They came out in full force for the 2001 Rose Bowl (that nebraska shouldnt have been playing in my opinion). Hopefully by 2006 the cornhuskers will get their west coast offense down and make it a great game!!!
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| socalJD |
OK - made it thru a tough part of the schedule . . .
Just a reminder for some of you out there:
26 game winning streak
24 weeks ranked #1 in the AP poll
17 game Pac10 win streak
And counting . . . :cool: |
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| JimH |
| If ND plays well, and USC plays poorly in two weeks time when they meet in South Bend, then you may see an upset? I hope both teams play well so we can see a great football game. |
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| socalJD |
| I remember the last time USC & ND squared off in a Nat'l Title deciding game - it was 1988 with ND & 'SC ranked #1 & #2 with identical 10-0 unbeaten records. Tony Rice (where is he now?) scored the decisive TD in the 4th with a wishbone option QB keeper that went something like 70+ yds. Broke me heart. ND went on the win the Nat'l title and 'SC sank to #7 with a lackluster effort in the Rose Bowl against Meechigan. Somehow, don't think the Irish can creep up to #2 by next weekend, but there's still some payback left for that chilly day in November of '88 . . . |
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| JimH |
| I believe that may have been the most recent that ND has won a National Title--been a long dry spell. The game I really remember is when Anthony Davis scored 6 touchdowns (believe it was 6) that totally destroyed ND that day. |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by JimH
I believe that may have been the most recent that ND has won a National Title--been a long dry spell. The game I really remember is when Anthony Davis scored 6 touchdowns (believe it was 6) that totally destroyed ND that day.
Yup, I remember that game too. Greatest comeback in 'SC football history - went into half trailing 24-6 and then scored 49 unanswered pts in the 2nd half. After that game, Parsegian uttered the now immortal quote 'I hate that . . . horse !'.
You're right, 1988 was the last time ND won the Nat'l Title, altho I think Holtz was screwed out of another in 1990 on a terrible penalty call in the Orange Bowl against Colorado . . . |
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| socalJD |
Geez, it's been too quiet around this thread - whatsa matter, nobody like College Football ???
Time to go out on a limb - Here's my prediction:
USC 42 . . . ND 24 :eek:
Ok all you golden domers, now's the time to flame away. Just make sure you get your shots in now before 3:30 EST on Oct 15. Nobody likes monday morning quarterbacks or bandwagon jumpers after the game is over . . . |
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| JimH |
| That was a great game to watch. ND had a few chances to get some more points, but did not deliver. Got to give credit to USC for coming back. The game also is based on some luck as in any game. If the USC quarterback would have held onto the ball instead of the ball going out of bounds on that next to last play, the clock would have run out and ND would have won. On the last play, ole Reggie Bush helped push the USC QB over the line (which is a no-no), which may or may not have helped get the final touchdown. All in all, both teams should have been proud, and that was one of the better games I ever saw for a college game. I believe Reggie Bush will win the Heisman in a landside this year--there is no better football player this year than he is. |
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| erictiger |
| FSU lost the game but still ranked as No 5 at Coach's Poll (same as last week)??? |
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| Rick_James |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
They play football in college? Is that like NFL in diapers? :2:
Actually its the other way around.
In College footbal there is prestige and wanting to WIN!!
In NFL it's about there contract and if it is not enough $$$$ I am holding out.
NFL blows. College ball rocks!! |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by JimH
On the last play, ole Reggie Bush helped push the USC QB over the line (which is a no-no), which may or may not have helped get the final touchdown. . .
I believe Reggie Bush will win the Heisman in a landside this year--there is no better football player this year than he is.
I love how the media stirs up controversy and stokes the fire. ESPN interviewed 2 former ND head coaches for comment, Bob Davies goes on record saying that the 'Bush push' is illegal and the TD shouldn't have counted and that USC should have been penailzed, whereas Lou Holtz says that it's technically illegal to 'aid' a ball carrier, but in that circumstance, it happens all the time and is never called (both sides of the line tries to 'push the pile' during a QB sneak) gee, wonder which coach was mediocre and which one won a national title . . .
This year will be a good Heisman race. Leinart is taking a step back to allow the offense to feature Bush, and Young is putting up some impressive stats for Texas. Peterson is out of the picture this year. Just a matter of time before Mack Brown start hyping Young to the coaches and media . . . |
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| cycler15 |
What's amazing is that no one talks about the crucial 61 yard pass play on 4th and 9. Dwayne Jarrett (the WR) had been poked in the eye earlier and could barely see. The place was rocking loud and Leinart calls an audible at the line of scrimmage when he sees the secondary play man coverage up close. The throw was perfect and Dwayne Jarrett made a great catch and run.
That play was the mark of a Heisman winner and national championship team. |
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| JimH |
| I concur regarding that 4th down play---a perfect pass to a good receiver. However, I do think that Leinart will finish behind Reggie Bush in the Heisman voting this year. While both are great players, Reggie is having a Heisman-winner type year. |
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| greatscot |
I will be at the Notre Dame/BYU game this Saturday, though I'm not looking forward to it. We have beat ND the past two seasons, but I think this year will (unfortunately for me) be different.
After last week's demoralizing loss to USC, I fear ND will be looking to dish out some punishment.
Anyway, Go Cougars! |
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| socalJD |
You gotta love the morons that run the BcS poll. This week the BcS poll has UT jumping over USC for the #1 spot due to the computer rankings ?!?
POLL
USC is still firmly #1 in the AP, CNN & Harris polls, yet the computer polls dropped them to as low as #4 on some rankings ??? Now I understand why the AP wants nothing to do with the BcS . . . |
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| MDX05FAN |
I am not a BCS fan either. However I do understand why UT would be #1. They are beating their opp by more, giving up less total yard and have been a total of higher ranked teams.
Having said that, I am not a UT fan, just stating my thoughts :4: |
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| JimH |
It could be worse---could be .0007 points behind in # 3 place, be undefeated, and not be able to play for the National Championship.
If both Texas and USC go undefeated, I assume USC will be # 1 in all three polls at the end of the year.
In my own poll (my view), I had USC ranked # 3 when they were behind and playing ND with 7 seconds left to go in that game. At that time, I had Texas #1, ND #2, and USC #3 in my ranking!!!!
There are still 6 undefeated teams, If more than two are still undefeated prior to the bowl games, then some folks (and team(s))will not be happy at years end. |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by MDX05FAN
I am not a BCS fan either. However I do understand why UT would be #1. They are beating their opp by more, giving up less total yard and have been a total of higher ranked teams.
Having said that, I am not a UT fan, just stating my thoughts :4:
I track your thinking, but a gradual eroding of USC's margin over UT would be more logical, as successive BcS polls are released in the coming weeks. But for UT to jump USC this past week, with both teams winning easily and USC holding such a decisive edge in the other 3 polls, just doesn't add up . . .
It also sends the wrong message, should USC & VTech display poor sportsmanship and run up the score to improve it's COMPUTER rankings just because the number crunchers don't get the overall picture ??? |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
You gotta love the morons that run the BcS poll. This week the BcS poll has UT jumping over USC for the #1 spot due to the computer rankings ?!?
POLL
USC is still firmly #1 in the AP, CNN & Harris polls, yet the computer polls dropped them to as low as #4 on some rankings ??? Now I understand why the AP wants nothing to do with the BcS . . .
Stay calm socalJD. If both Texas and USC win out they will get to play each regardless of who is 1 or 2. Get me a ticket and I will come out and watch the game with you! :cool: Of course I will be wearing Burnt Orange. |
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| screbr |
| Is getting your game at Miami postponed due to Hurricane Wilma a victory of sorts? I mean, getting thru the week without a loss is better than getting blown out by 40 points, right? |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by screbr
Is getting your game at Miami postponed due to Hurricane Wilma a victory of sorts? I mean, getting thru the week without a loss is better than getting blown out by 40 points, right?
I'm shocked :eek: Where's your faith :confused: :1: |
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| cycler15 |
Sounds like some "wise" college reporters and voters seem to think that Texas is a better overall team than USC. Reminds me of last year when many people thought another team from the south was better just because a "weak, pass happy" Pac 10 team can't beat a "physical and strong" Big 12 team.
The results? USC 55, Oklahoma 19.
Until USC is beaten they should be the undisputed #1 team in the country.
Enough said. |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
Sounds like some "wise" college reporters and voters seem to think that Texas is a better overall team than USC. Reminds me of last year when many people thought another team from the south was better just because a "weak, pass happy" Pac 10 team can't beat a "physical and strong" Big 12 team.
The results? USC 55, Oklahoma 19.
Until USC is beaten they should be the undisputed #1 team in the country.
Enough said.
What most people forget is that the ratings are for the current year and should not be based on anything prior to this year. So USC's win streak and national championships have no bearing on the voting this year--even though many voters do consider it. I read an article on ESPN recently where the writer said Texas was a better team this year than USC but he still voted for USC based on previous years. Too bad he is not following the guidlines.
I still think USC and Texas will get to play each other. As long as they do who cares who is #1 or #2 going into the game. The most important thing is who is number #1 after the game.
Either way it should be a great game. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
Sounds like some "wise" college reporters and voters seem to think that Texas is a better overall team than USC.
Uh, all the human polls that I saw (especially the two that go into the BCS formula) have USC #1. Its NOT the voters who made UT first in the BCS, its the "unbiased" computers that have done so. |
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| screbr |
I had faith until we lost to NC State at home.....
I do think we have a good chance against Clemson at home this Saturday. |
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| screbr |
For all you Yellow Jacket fans out there (Ok - maybe there's just 2 of us....), the Clemson vs. Ga Tech game on Saturday has been moved to 3:30pm EDT and will now be nationally televised by ESPN.
Sweet news - not too many ACC games available to those of us living west of the Mississippi (unless it's FSU or Miami). |
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| VA Tech Hokie |
screbr,
You will be supporting the other ACC Tech tonight, won't you???
;) :D
Hokie... |
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| screbr |
you bet!
Given that the Hokies beat us by 40-something points, I expect nothing less than an undefeated season and a national championship (after UCLA dethrones USC....)
That last statement should get socal going.....:p |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by screbr
you bet!
Given that the Hokies beat us by 40-something points, I expect nothing less than an undefeated season and a national championship (after UCLA dethrones USC....)
That last statement should get socal going.....:p
LOL.
Keep dreaming buddy.
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| VA Tech Hokie |
Thanks for the support screbr...
I am a GA Tech fan when they are not playing the other Tech....
I love my school being part of the ACC!!!!
One more big one.... Miami next Saturday night(11/5) in Lane Stadium...:eek: :eek:
Go UCLA!!!!!!.... or any team playing Texas...:D :D |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by screbr
. . . (after UCLA dethrones USC....)
That last statement should get socal going.....:p
quote:
Originally posted by VA Tech Hokie
. . . Go UCLA!!!!!!. . . :p
You guys trying to bait me ??? Ain't gonna bite . . .
1st off you're dissin' the 4 other teams that we will play prior to the ucla game - as you know, our mantra is one game at a time - so this week it's Wash st and nothing else.
2nd, according to the BcS bean chokers, we're not #1 anymore, so you should be setting your sights on UT, since everyone wants them to be #1 so badly . . .
As for ucla, I hope they run the table to make the Dec 3 matchup that much more interesting. Nothing would be sweeter . . .
Come Jan 4 in the Rose Bowl, we will see who emerges to play us. UT, VA Tech, Georgia, 'Bama, no matter, bring it on . . . |
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| cycler15 |
USC is back at #1 where they belong. As long as they win out, they should remain #1 because they play a pretty tough schedule with 3 teams left ranked in the top 25 (Cal #23, Fresno State #24, UCLA #5).
Texas is #2 and will definitely be looking over their shoulder at Virginia Tech. Texas doesn't play anyone ranked except probably Colorado (#22) in the Big 12 Title game.
Virginia Tech will look to move up with games against Miami (#6) and probably Florida State (#9) in the ACC Title game if they make it.
Right now it's definitely a 3 horse race if the top 3 all win out. Most people say USC is a lock and it will be very close between Texas and Virginia Tech. |
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| VA Tech Hokie |
If Virginia Tech, USC and UT were to win their remaining games,
it will be interesting to see how the BCS plays out. I do think
Virginia Tech does have a stronger remaining schedule than UT,
but history pretty much shows that the number 3 team just does not
move up, unless one of the top two teams makes a mistake. I am
sure the Auburn fans know exactly how the Virginia Tech folks feel....
Then of course, Alabama is sitting there waiting
for a couple of the top three teams to make a mistake.
It will be exciting in Blacksburg on Saturday. Both ESPN's "College GameDay"
crew and ESPN2's "Cold Pizza" trio will be in town. It will be a good
night for football!!! :1:
Hokie.... |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by VA Tech Hokie
If Virginia Tech, USC and UT were to win their remaining games,
it will be interesting to see how the BCS plays out. I do think
Virginia Tech does have a stronger remaining schedule than UT,
but history pretty much shows that the number 3 team just does not
move up, unless one of the top two teams makes a mistake. . .
Have you already forgotten about 2003 ? Remember that USC was ranked #1 in the AP & CNN poll yet the BcS leapfrog LSU over USC in the final poll to play against Oklahoma !?! By all accounts, USC & LSU should have played for the Nat'l Title since Oklahoma lost the Big12 title game and wasn't even the Big12 conf champ !!!
Don't count the BcS out, they'll find a way to muck things up . . . |
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| JimH |
The important thing is for Notre Dame to get into these games, and help the other colleges out---per future agreement w/ the BCS!!
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7659924/ |
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| screbr |
Here's a novel idea! (assuming all are still undefeated, which aint likely)
Bama vs. SC
VT vs. UT
winners play a week later.
Geez - I must be a freakin genius. |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by JimH
The important thing is for Notre Dame to get into these games, and help the other colleges out---per future agreement w/ the BCS!!
Am I missing something ? Why would ND want this new proposed deal ? Unless they don't plan on getting a BcS bid in the next 8 yrs, they're MUCH better off with the current plan. Only need 1 BcS bid in the next 8 yrs and they would make more money that the new plan:
BcS bids: 0 1 2 3
$ Current: 0m 13m 26m 39m
$ Proposed: 8 11.5 15 18.5
What is the ND AD thinking ??? |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by screbr
Here's a novel idea!
Bama vs. SC
VT vs. UT
winners play a week later.
Geez - I must be a freakin genius.
OK genius, what about the nightmare scenario: USC is unbeaten, but there's 7 teams with 1 loss (UT, Vtech, 'bama, Miami, LSU, ucla & Georgia) who should play in the title game, or which 3 teams should qualify in your playoff format ??? |
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| screbr |
at some point, you just gotta pick 4-8 teams ranked highest and let them play it out (8 would be the best). Sure, hypothetically there could be 5 or 9 undefeated teams out there, and I won't argue that fact, but as long as no team from a major conference with zero losses gets omitted, the argument gets pretty small. There does have to be a cut-off, just not a 1 versus 2 in a subjective polling system.
With the NCAA bball tourney, there's always a handful of teams that "should have got in", but don't. But this argument only generates about 1 night's worth of commentary, and then folks move on. You let a few teams have a playoff in football, I think the same thing would happen. |
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| cycler15 |
As much as every college football fan would LOVE a playoff system... it's just not gonna happen anytime soon. The current BCS system still has a few years left on its current contract. Plus, remember the major school presidents and ADs voted NO to a playoff because they didn't want the "students" away from more classes and finals. Plus, how would the current bowls decide who hosts the first round game and who gets the title game? Would you rotate? Then what about all the other crap bowls that host the 6-6 and 7-5 teams... they would basically be meanlingless.
You just gotta accept the current system where basically every regular season game is a playoff. That's what makes college footbal so exciting. Win and you stay alive... |
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| VA Tech Hokie |
quote:
Originally posted by screbr
Here's a novel idea! (assuming all are still undefeated, which aint likely)
Bama vs. SC
VT vs. UT
winners play a week later.
Geez - I must be a freakin genius.
Coach Beamer pretty much stated this same thing in today's paper(4 team playoff).....
But, then, as previously stated, you would have the 5th place team sitting there undefeated and feel left out.
I don't think there is a perfect solution.....
....And we are sitting here discussing all this and any Saturday could change the whole picture very easily.
Hokie... |
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| screbr |
the "student impact" argument seems pretty weak given that they just approved adding/allowing a 12th game to any team's schedule.
I do think it boils down to the tradition and history argument that the bowl games represent, and the fact that these bowls have alot of financial power to influence the decision-making body.
I'd just be happy if the Jackets got back in the top 25 (#26 last week)...... |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by screbr
the "student impact" argument seems pretty weak given that they just approved adding/allowing a 12th game to any team's schedule.
I do think it boils down to the tradition and history argument that the bowl games represent, and the fact that these bowls have alot of financial power to influence the decision-making body.
I'd just be happy if the Jackets got back in the top 25 (#26 last week)......
Besides tradition some say its good for the sport to have the possibility of multiple champions. I prefer a playoff but it is highly unlikely. No matter where you do the cutoff, 4 teams, 8 teams, 16 teams or whatever, some teams will be on the bubble and not be selected and thus will be mad and complain.
It’s very difficult to rank teams and say team A is better than team B based upon strength of schedule. Should Team A be “penalized” if he is very strong and has a weak conference which he must play against? Conversely should Team B be “penalized” for a loss or two if he happens to be in a very strong conference?
Which team is better and should be ranked ahead of the other? As we all know playing conference games is mandatory and conferences are cyclical—some years strong and other years not so strong.
As they say,"You can't please all the people all of the time". Even putting every team in a playoff would make some people mad. |
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| VA Tech Hokie |
screbr,
This is a little humor for you and I hope it is not off topic too much.
My GT nephew visited me when GA Tech played VA Tech. He has a 19 month old daughter(Abby) and he has been teaching her to say
"Go Tech" when they watch the games on tv.
Well, my wife and I kept the 19 month old while he went to the GA Tech/VA Tech game. While we were watching on TV, I would often
say to the TV, "Go Hokies". When my nephew last watched GA Tech on TV, during one of the plays Abby said "Go Hokies".... Needless
to say her dad was not too happy.....:D
Hokie.. |
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| screbr |
I'd say it's worth it for your nephew to get 4 hours of babysitting plus a football game - that's like the ultimate gift for the parents of a toddler.....although it would have been painful to be a GT fan at that game.
I made the mistake of paying Directv $20 so that I could get the game out in Denver - big mistake...
Let's start talking about the big game this weekend - you gotta like the Hokies in Blacksburg. Their defense is too tough for Miami. Just gotta stop their running game. |
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| VA Tech Hokie |
Yes, I am very much excited about the Hokies and Miami in Blacksburg!!
Miami is always a strong opponent, so it is fearful for me, whenever we play them. Let me guess for whom Texas will be "rooting".
From a crowd standpoint, weekend night games are always a little rough because the tailgaters have all day to get pumped and whatever else?????...
GO HOKIES!!!! |
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| vtpcgeek |
#5 Miami @ #3 VT in blacksburg, the biggest game of the season so far. Where will this hokie be? Lane Stadium, on the 30 yard line, west stand, about 30 rows up.
LETS GO
HOKIES
LETS GO
HOKIES
LETS GO
HOKIES |
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| VA Tech Hokie |
quote:
Originally posted by vtpcgeek
#5 Miami @ #3 VT in blacksburg, the biggest game of the season so far. Where will this hokie be? Lane Stadium, on the 30 yard line, west stand, about 30 rows up.
LETS GO
HOKIES
LETS GO
HOKIES
LETS GO HOKIES
HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! East Coast rocks this weekend!!!!!!!! |
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| screbr |
Tough night for the Hokies.....
and the Bruins, and FSU. Bama eeks out a win without an offensive touchdown - don't think that kind of performance would hold up against SC or UT (probably won't even get them an SEC championship).
Texas looks like they have a cakewalk to the title game (including the B12 championship game). SC has to play at Cal, and then UCLA, which could be tough games.
I like Auburn to upset Bama last game of the season, and because GT beat Auburn in Auburn back in September, that will make GT a top 5 team :D |
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| cycler15 |
And then there were two... USC and Texas are pretty much assured Rose Bowl berths if they win out.
Alabama does not have a chance of moving up to #2 in the BCS with their offense being so dull and boring.
Virginia Tech got spanked at home against a very good Miami team. I heard VT had 5 top 100 recruits on their sidelines... I wonder how this will impact their recruiting.
UCLA showed why they were the most overrated team in the country with their bad defense.
Kudos to Joe Paterno for silencing all the critics and bringing Penn State back to the elite level. |
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| R Stevens |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
Kudos to Joe Paterno for silencing all the critics and bringing Penn State back to the elite level.
cycler15
Thanks for the kind words about the Nittany Lions. It has been a tough road lately for those of us who bleed Blue and White. The long weekend drives from Virginia to Happy Valley have been much more enjoyable this season. Over 109,000 fans cheering on the Lions against Wisconsin this weekend. |
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| VA Tech Hokie |
Yes, bad night for the Hokies...
As I said "Any Saturday can change the situation"...
Saturday's game probably even knocked us out of the ACC
championship game. Pretty expensive loss. Miami looked good!!!
It was fun while it lasted.
Hokie.... |
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by R Stevens
cycler15
Thanks for the kind words about the Nittany Lions. It has been a tough road lately for those of us who bleed Blue and White. The long weekend drives from Virginia to Happy Valley have been much more enjoyable this season. Over 109,000 fans cheering on the Lions against Wisconsin this weekend.
I must admit, when Penn State had those few years of mediocre football... I was wondering if Joe Paterno still had it in him. It seemed like the talent level had dropped so far. Now I guess this year he has a really good freshman class and is giving some freshman a ton of playing time for really the first time.
That's been one of the main reasons why Pete Carroll has done so well at USC. He's had the top recruiting classes the past 3 years because freshman know they are going to compete for playing time. They know they can come in and contribute right away. Just look at the list of freshmen who have had considerable playing time the last couple of years.... Mike Williams, Reggie Bush, Lendale White, Dwayne Jarrett, Darnell Bing, Patrick Turner. USC pretty much has had its pick of recruits the past few years. |
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| MDteX |
The BCS may get lucky this year with only two undefeated teams. That will make their selection process for the championship game easy. But if Texas or USC gets a loss in the final couple of weeks it will be chaos with so many 1 loss teams.
BTW, Vince Young will win the Heisman. :2: |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by MDteX
BTW, Vince Young will win the Heisman. :2:
Yeah, you're probably right, Bush hasn't been getting too many opportunities lately.
Young can have the Heisman, but I guarantee you he won't be hoisting the Rose Bowl MVP trophy (or any other player in burnt orange for that matter) . . . ;) |
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| MDteX |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Yeah, you're probably right, Bush hasn't been getting too many opportunities lately.
Young can have the Heisman, but I guarantee you he won't be hoisting the Rose Bowl MVP trophy (or any other player in burnt orange for that matter) . . . ;)
Maybe not the MVP trophy but probably the National Championship Trophy! :D |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by MDteX
Maybe not the MVP trophy but probably the National Championship Trophy! :D
Not sure what kind of college football you've been watching, but the MVP of a bowl game 99.9% of the time comes from the winning team - so it's safe to assume that this year's Rose Bowl MVP will also be hoisting the BCS trophy.
For your sake, I'm pulling for Young to win the Heisman. We already have 6 of them in Heritage Hall, 2 of the last 3 winners. Plus an interesting fact, the Heisman winner usually ends up losing in the Bcs Title game (Lienart last year is the only exception) . . . |
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by socalJD
We already have 6 of them in Heritage Hall, 2 of the last 3 winners.
Nothing wrong to 7 Heisman trophies... I believe that would give USC the most of any school (I think we are tied with Notre Dame at 6).
It's funny how Leinart isn't really getting the Heisman recognition he deserves. He has better stats than last year, has led the top ranked team through nearly 2 undefeated seasons, and is the consumate leader. I guess people just don't want someone to be a repeat winner.
But Bush would most likely win hands down if he were the featured back. Since he shares time with Lendale White, he gets half the carries of other main RBs (but he still has over 1,000 yards rushing).
BTW... By the end of the season USC will be the only team in college football history with a 3,000 yard passer (Leinart), two 1,000 yard rushers (Bush and White), and two 1,000 yard receivers (Dwayne Jarrett already has 1,000 and Steve Smith has 150 yards to go with 2 games left). I think they can be called the best offense in college football history. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by cycler15
Nothing wrong to 7 Heisman trophies... I believe that would give USC the most of any school (I think we are tied with Notre Dame at 6). . .
. . .By the end of the season USC will be the only team in college football history with a 3,000 yard passer (Leinart), two 1,000 yard rushers (Bush and White), and two 1,000 yard receivers (Dwayne Jarrett already has 1,000 and Steve Smith has 150 yards to go with 2 games left). . .
ND is the leader in Heismans with 7 winners (Paul Hornung won on a 2-8 team?) and 'SC & Ohio St are right behind with 6 (Archie Griffin won 2 for OSU). ND and 'SC are now tied for the most Nat'l Championships at 11, but 'SC is closing in on a potential 12th. This is why the ND-USC rivalry is considered the greatest intersectional rivalry in college football . . .
Your point on the Offense is well taken, that is why I'll concede this year's Heisman to Young. Without Young, UT is a 8 - 3 team. USC has so many weapons, that it's statistically impossible for this year's Heisman to come from 'SC, Leinart & Bush would split votes, opening the door for Young. That is also why I contend that UT would lose a BCS title matchup to 'SC - shut down Young and UT is toast, but who can you focus to shut down on 'SC ??? Last year's Orange Bowl is the perfect example, 'SC shuts down Peterson and forces OU to win with White and the rest is history . . . |
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| MDteX |
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Originally posted by socalJD
ND is the leader in Heismans, I wanna say they have 7 winners, and 1 guy (Paul Hornung) won on a 2-8 team ! ND also has the most Nat'l Championships, but 'SC is closing the gap. This is why the ND-USC rivalry is considered the greatest intersectional rivalry in college football . . .
Your point on the Offense is well taken, that is why I'll concede this year's Heisman to Young. Without Young, UT is a 8 - 3 team. USC has so many weapons, that it's statistically impossible for this year's Heisman to come from 'SC, Leinart & Bush would split votes, opening the door for Young. That is also why I contend that UT would lose a BCS title matchup to 'SC - shut down Young and UT is toast, but who can you focus to shut down on 'SC ??? Last year's Orange Bowl is the perfect example, 'SC shuts down Peterson and forces OU to win with White and the rest is history . . .
USC will get their chance to attempt and stop Young. I doubt if they can. UT has a much stronger defense than USC. That will be the difference.
And for your "what kind of college football you've been watching" comment. I was saying the Heisman isn't the goal--it is the BCS trophy. |
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by MDteX
USC will get their chance to attempt and stop Young. I doubt if they can. UT has a much stronger defense than USC. That will be the difference.
To say UT has a "much stronger defense than USC" is a bunch of crap. Everyone says the Pac 10 is weak in defense. Six Pac 10 teams are in the top 25 in total offense. That means we play the best offensive teams every week. So that will skew the defensive numbers. How many Big 12 or SEC teams are in the top 25 in total offense? I'm not sure... but I imagine it's very few.
Here's a good article to read.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2219577
Pete Carroll is probably the top coach in college football, and he's also the defensive coordinator. I believe if USC and Texas were equal in terms in talent, then USC would win because of their coaching staff. |
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| MDteX |
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Originally posted by cycler15
To say UT has a "much stronger defense than USC" is a bunch of crap. Everyone says the Pac 10 is weak in defense. Six Pac 10 teams are in the top 25 in total offense. That means we play the best offensive teams every week. So that will skew the defensive numbers. How many Big 12 or SEC teams are in the top 25 in total offense? I'm not sure... but I imagine it's very few.
Here's a good article to read.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2219577
Pete Carroll is probably the top coach in college football, and he's also the defensive coordinator. I believe if USC and Texas were equal in terms in talent, then USC would win because of their coaching staff.
Crap??? You should have something to back up your comment. According to the NCAA stats for 2005 Texas is ranked 6th in overall defense and USC is 37th. Number 1 is Miami.
USC is tops in the PAC 10 in defense at 37. The Big 12 has 6 teams rated higher than USC in defense. The Pac 10 has no one in the top 25. So half of the Big 12 is ranked higher than anyone in the Pac 10.
Total offense is 1-USC, 2-Texas and 3-Texas Tech. The Big 12 has 3 in the top 25. The Pac 10 has 4.
A logical person would say a number 2 in offense and number 6 in defense would be a number 1 in offense and a number 37 in defense. |
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