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| RSM |
| In Vancouver, BC, you can get 90 octane for the price of 87. Mohawk gas has a small percentage of ethanol. Is it okay to use this or should I use gas from Chevron or Shell? |
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| anjan |
| Someone correct me if I'm wrong (I don't have the manual handy) but you're not supposed to use any fuel containing ethanol. Period. |
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| JeffK |
IMHO, the Mohawk gas is just fine.
But I would recommend using the 87 octane and put the savings in your pocket!
See my other recent posts as to using regular vs. premium gas.
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (I don't have the manual handy) but you're not supposed to use any fuel containing ethanol. Period.
Wrong, indeed. The manual is very specific; ethanol-blended fuels are fine.
I use Mohawk (and Husky) ethanol-blended fuels in both my vehicles, including 92 in the 'X. It's better for the environment, keeps the engine cleaner, and helps our farmers! Go for it! |
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| anjan |
| Yes, let me restate that in the words of Acura customer service - the ethanol content should not exceed 10% and there'll be significant degradation in mileage and performance because ethanol doesn't burn as hot as regular gasoline...Makes you wonder where the savings are :) |
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| andreseng |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
Yes, let me restate that in the words of Acura customer service - the ethanol content should not exceed 10% and there'll be significant degradation in mileage and performance because ethanol doesn't burn as hot as regular gasoline...Makes you wonder where the savings are :)
There are areas in this country that are forced to use blends. When I lived in Colorado they switched to 10% ethanol in the winter to help with the brown cloud that would hang over Downtown Denver. It was caused by temperature inversions. When the cold air came off the mountains it would lock in the warmer air below. I can't speak to how effective the program was/is, but I didn't have any noticeable performance problems either. There were no cost savings in the pump price. As I recall they, rose slightly. |
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
Yes, let me restate that in the words of Acura customer service - the ethanol content should not exceed 10% and there'll be significant degradation in mileage and performance because ethanol doesn't burn as hot as regular gasoline...Makes you wonder where the savings are :)
The first part is right (10% content), but the second part is rubbish. Here is some info from the US Dept. of Energy "Energy Efficiciency and Renewable Energy" web site:
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"Ethanol
Are you already using a domestically produced alternative fuel in your vehicle? If you live in a major U.S. city, you probably are.
In the United States, one out of every eight gallons of gasoline sold contains ethanol. Most of this ethanol is purchased as blends of 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline, known as E10, and is used as an octane enhancer to improve air quality.
If you are driving a flexible fuel vehicle, you have the opportunity to fuel with E85, a blend of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. For more information on flexible fuel vehicles or E85, visit the Alternative Fuels Data Center. For more information on E10 and other low-level ethanol blends, read on.
Ethanol is a colorless liquid that is distilled from agricultural crops-usually corn. Most ethanol is produced in the grain-growing states of the midwestern United States. The U.S. Department of Energy is also exploring ways to make ethanol from crop wastes like corn stalks and corn husks.
The Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990 mandated the use of oxygenated gasoline in areas with unhealthy levels of carbon monoxide. At the time, the primary oxygenates were ethanol and MTBE. Subsequently, MTBE has been shown to contaminate ground water supplies, and the demand for ethanol has increased significantly.
Benefits
* Ethanol is domestically produced and allows us to reduce our use of imported petroleum.
* Ethanol emits less carbon monoxide than gasoline.
* Adding oxygenates like ethanol to gasoline reduces carbon monoxide emissions.
* Ethanol production supports U.S. farmers and creates jobs.
Performance
All auto manufacturers approve the use of low-level ethanol blends. Fuel ethanol blends are successfully used in all types of vehicles and engines that require gasoline. Approval of ethanol blends is found in the owners' manuals under references to refueling or gasoline.
Availability
Fuel ethanol blends are sold in every state, and ethanol blends make up nearly 100% of the gasoline sold in carbon monoxide and ozone nonattainment areas during certain months of the year.
Cost
Although ethanol is more expensive to produce than gasoline, federal tax incentives reduce the price to a competitive level."
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From our owner's manual (p. 186 in Canada):
"Some gasoline today is blended with oxegenates such as ethanol or MTBE. Your vehicle is designed to operate on oxegenated gasoline containing up to 10% ethanol by volume and up to 15% MTBE by volume. Do not use gasoline containing methanol."
NOTE: Some folks still confuse ethanol with methanol. They are not the same products!
Still not convinced? Here's another snippet from the web site:
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"Fuel Performance and Availability
There have been many successful years of vehicle operating
experience with low-level ethanol blends. All auto
manufacturers warranty their vehicles to operate on E10
or less. Ethanol has higher octane than gasoline, leading
to excellent drivability and performance. Ethanol has less
energy content per gallon than does gasoline, but at blends
of E10 and below, there is typically not a perceptible
difference in fuel economy or range."
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Husky and Mohawk stations in Canada do not contain more than 10% ethanol by volume (E10) in any fuel sold at their service statons. In fact, I am not aware of any company that does in this country. |
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| anjan |
Similarly there are numerous instances of scientific and otherwise reports contradicting the marketing hype that you are repeating. The agricultural lobby in US has you believing that ethanol helps "save" energy just like soybean is healthy.
Proof? Here an article on a Canadian site
Ethanol Not Worth The Energy
Also, ethanol is not widely used partly because of strong opposition due to costs and concerns about human health. If you inject raw ethanol directly into gasoline, the fuel produces more NOX (nitrogen oxide). NOX is a greenhouse gas harmful to human health and contributes to global warming.
Nicholas Hollis, the President of the Agribusiness Council talks about the "Ethanol Scam" here.
Also, California Air Resources Board released a report earlier this year saying that the additive actually hurts air quality. California lawmakers have long sought an exemption from the ethanol mandate, arguing that it has hurt regional air quality. Here is the extensive report detailing the detrimental effect observed.
So, ethanol is not the environmentally safe, cost-effective solution that will reduce our dependence on foreign oil, as the ADM and other agri-giant lobbyists will have you believe. Even Canadians are waking up to the fact that they fell for the scam. |
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| RSM |
| Thanks for the replies, guys, because I just had a full tank of Mohawk gas just 2 days ago. |
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| G. COLTON |
quote:
Originally posted by Pierre
The first part is right (10% content), but the second part is rubbish. Here is some info from the US Dept. of Energy "Energy Efficiciency and Renewable Energy" web site:
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"Ethanol
Are you already using a domestically produced alternative fuel in your vehicle? If you live in a major U.S. city, you probably are.
In the United States, one out of every eight gallons of gasoline sold contains ethanol. Most of this ethanol is purchased as blends of 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline, known as E10, and is used as an octane enhancer to improve air quality.
If you are driving a flexible fuel vehicle, you have the opportunity to fuel with E85, a blend of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. For more information on flexible fuel vehicles or E85, visit the Alternative Fuels Data Center. For more information on E10 and other low-level ethanol blends, read on.
Ethanol is a colorless liquid that is distilled from agricultural crops-usually corn. Most ethanol is produced in the grain-growing states of the midwestern United States. The U.S. Department of Energy is also exploring ways to make ethanol from crop wastes like corn stalks and corn husks.
The Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990 mandated the use of oxygenated gasoline in areas with unhealthy levels of carbon monoxide. At the time, the primary oxygenates were ethanol and MTBE. Subsequently, MTBE has been shown to contaminate ground water supplies, and the demand for ethanol has increased significantly.
Benefits
* Ethanol is domestically produced and allows us to reduce our use of imported petroleum.
* Ethanol emits less carbon monoxide than gasoline.
* Adding oxygenates like ethanol to gasoline reduces carbon monoxide emissions.
* Ethanol production supports U.S. farmers and creates jobs.
Performance
All auto manufacturers approve the use of low-level ethanol blends. Fuel ethanol blends are successfully used in all types of vehicles and engines that require gasoline. Approval of ethanol blends is found in the owners' manuals under references to refueling or gasoline.
Availability
Fuel ethanol blends are sold in every state, and ethanol blends make up nearly 100% of the gasoline sold in carbon monoxide and ozone nonattainment areas during certain months of the year.
Cost
Although ethanol is more expensive to produce than gasoline, federal tax incentives reduce the price to a competitive level."
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From our owner's manual (p. 186 in Canada):
"Some gasoline today is blended with oxegenates such as ethanol or MTBE. Your vehicle is designed to operate on oxegenated gasoline containing up to 10% ethanol by volume and up to 15% MTBE by volume. Do not use gasoline containing methanol."
NOTE: Some folks still confuse ethanol with methanol. They are not the same products!
Still not convinced? Here's another snippet from the web site:
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"Fuel Performance and Availability
There have been many successful years of vehicle operating
experience with low-level ethanol blends. All auto
manufacturers warranty their vehicles to operate on E10
or less. Ethanol has higher octane than gasoline, leading
to excellent drivability and performance. Ethanol has less
energy content per gallon than does gasoline, but at blends
of E10 and below, there is typically not a perceptible
difference in fuel economy or range."
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Husky and Mohawk stations in Canada do not contain more than 10% ethanol by volume (E10) in any fuel sold at their service statons. In fact, I am not aware of any company that does in this country.
You said "rubbish" but the only quote in here regarding energy efficiency says he was correct.
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G |
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| G. COLTON |
quote:
Originally posted by Pierre
The first part is right (10% content), but the second part is rubbish. Here is some info from the US Dept. of Energy "Energy Efficiciency and Renewable Energy" web site:
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"Ethanol
Are you already using a domestically produced alternative fuel in your vehicle? If you live in a major U.S. city, you probably are.
In the United States, one out of every eight gallons of gasoline sold contains ethanol. Most of this ethanol is purchased as blends of 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline, known as E10, and is used as an octane enhancer to improve air quality.
If you are driving a flexible fuel vehicle, you have the opportunity to fuel with E85, a blend of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. For more information on flexible fuel vehicles or E85, visit the Alternative Fuels Data Center. For more information on E10 and other low-level ethanol blends, read on.
Ethanol is a colorless liquid that is distilled from agricultural crops-usually corn. Most ethanol is produced in the grain-growing states of the midwestern United States. The U.S. Department of Energy is also exploring ways to make ethanol from crop wastes like corn stalks and corn husks.
The Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990 mandated the use of oxygenated gasoline in areas with unhealthy levels of carbon monoxide. At the time, the primary oxygenates were ethanol and MTBE. Subsequently, MTBE has been shown to contaminate ground water supplies, and the demand for ethanol has increased significantly.
Benefits
* Ethanol is domestically produced and allows us to reduce our use of imported petroleum.
* Ethanol emits less carbon monoxide than gasoline.
* Adding oxygenates like ethanol to gasoline reduces carbon monoxide emissions.
* Ethanol production supports U.S. farmers and creates jobs.
Performance
All auto manufacturers approve the use of low-level ethanol blends. Fuel ethanol blends are successfully used in all types of vehicles and engines that require gasoline. Approval of ethanol blends is found in the owners' manuals under references to refueling or gasoline.
Availability
Fuel ethanol blends are sold in every state, and ethanol blends make up nearly 100% of the gasoline sold in carbon monoxide and ozone nonattainment areas during certain months of the year.
Cost
Although ethanol is more expensive to produce than gasoline, federal tax incentives reduce the price to a competitive level."
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From our owner's manual (p. 186 in Canada):
"Some gasoline today is blended with oxegenates such as ethanol or MTBE. Your vehicle is designed to operate on oxegenated gasoline containing up to 10% ethanol by volume and up to 15% MTBE by volume. Do not use gasoline containing methanol."
NOTE: Some folks still confuse ethanol with methanol. They are not the same products!
Still not convinced? Here's another snippet from the web site:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Fuel Performance and Availability
There have been many successful years of vehicle operating
experience with low-level ethanol blends. All auto
manufacturers warranty their vehicles to operate on E10
or less. Ethanol has higher octane than gasoline, leading
to excellent drivability and performance. Ethanol has less
energy content per gallon than does gasoline, but at blends
of E10 and below, there is typically not a perceptible
difference in fuel economy or range."
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Husky and Mohawk stations in Canada do not contain more than 10% ethanol by volume (E10) in any fuel sold at their service statons. In fact, I am not aware of any company that does in this country.
You said "rubbish" but the only quote in here regarding energy efficiency says he was correct.
??????
G |
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by G. COLTON
You said "rubbish" but the only quote in here regarding energy efficiency says he was correct.
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G
"and there'll be significant degradation in mileage and performance because ethanol doesn't burn as hot as regular gasoline...Makes you wonder where the savings are"
That's the rubbish part. |
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