| laborlitigator |
Just wondering. . .
I actually like Limewire alot. |
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| komondor |
Limewire is Ok as long as you have the newest version. Older versions contained spyware.
I use Allofmp3.com a regular web site with great rates
AllOFMP3.com presents: "VIP Club".
When you become a registered VIP club member at AllOFMP3.com, you receive the following benefits:
you may order and download all materials at AllOFMP3.com;
you may listen to previews of all tracks and albums in our database;
you may use (*) and (**);
you may download files without any time/amount restrictions (your account remains active as long as you have a balance);
download speed up to 100 Mbps.
Service payment for VIP Club members:
$0.02 per 1 Mb of audio data from albums marked with vip and (*) icons;
$0.02 per 1 Mb of audio data from albums marked with (**) icon
(all materials available in are also available in format).
Notes:
(*) was created and implemented as unique technology for providing our users with high quality audio files of the bit rate and format they desire. OE enables you to get music in the format (mp3, wma, ogg, mp4, etc.) and of the quality you prefer. Details...
(**) is an additional function, which expands the capability of the OE process, allowing you to encode the original CD-DA data through "lossless" codecs that compress audio without any loss of quality. With OEEX you may use the following lossless audio codecs: WMA 9 Lossless, Monkey's Audio, OptimFROG, and FLAC. Also, you may download pure .WAV files without any compression. Details...
MP3s cost about a quarter they have plenty of artists
legal info
Is it legal to download music from site AllOFMP3.com?
All the materials in the MediaServices projects are available for distribution through Internet according to license # LS-3Ì-05-03 of the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society. Under the license terms, MediaServices pays license fees for all the materials subject to the Law of the Russian Federation "On Copyright and Related Rights". All the materials are available solely for personal use and must not be used for further distribution, resale or broadcasting.
Users are responsible for any usage and distribution of all materials received from AllOFMP3.com. This responsibility depends on the local legislation of each user's country of residence. AllOFMP3.com's Administration does not keep up with the laws of different countries and is not responsible the actions of non-Russian users. |
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| Maldoman |
Anyone try winmix.com Its free!!
:yummy: |
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| crmsnidol |
Newsgroups and IRC. I've never used a P2P app.
Check out news.astraweb.com and easynews.com (HTTP interface for non-NNTP newbies!) |
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| bzboy |
Newsgroups.
Try Giganews.com |
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| bzboy |
Newsgroups.
Try Giganews.com |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by bzboy
Newsgroups.
Try Giganews.com
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Dumb question, but what are newsgroups? |
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| crmsnidol |
Usenet binary postings are sorted into groups called newsgoups that services like those I mentioned provide.
Here is a screenshot of some of the MP3 groups Easynews currently has. The number to the left of each group name is the number of binary files (songs) contained in that group. |
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| Mando |
newsgroup (astraweb)
newzbin dot com (for newsgroup indexes and NZB files)
Newsleecher (ng reader)
and, of course, iTunes :)
PS: PAR2 files are GOD sent! :) |
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| anjan |
quote:
Originally posted by komondor
All the materials in the MediaServices projects are available for distribution through Internet according to license # LS-3Ì-05-03 of the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society.
I use iTunes exclusively since it is legal and convenient. Its just too much @ stake to versus 99c a song (or less if you buy albums).
As far as the allofmp3.com site is concerned, its stinks of illegality and many articles have discussed how you end up paying for illegal music. P2P software is much better. For example, according to Licence # LS-3M-02-36 of the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society.” It claims it pays licence fees for all material on the site, “subject to the law of the Russian Federation on copyright and related rights”. We hope that this is correct, because under the terms of use, we’ve agreed we won’t use their services “if it is in conflict with legislation of your country”. Also, the site is not licensed by any labels. The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry is the worldwide organization of recording companies, and it claims that Allofmp3.com has not been licensed to distribute its members' "repertoire" in Russia or anywhere else. While Allofmp3.com claims it owns distribution rights from the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society, the record companies say, "Nyet." |
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| nightguy |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
I use iTunes exclusively since it is legal and convenient. Its just too much @ stake to versus 99c a song (or less if you buy albums).
Yep. And iTunes just said last week they don't plan on raising the price anytime soon. Or if you have a wma device, Wal-Mart is only 88 cents. That's all I've used...they work well.
I will not tell anyone what to do (or try to out-lawyer the threadstarter) but in the days of Napster file sharing, there was much less legal clarity than there is now. I would never assume that downloading a mere 10 files would be off the radar of some lawyer somewhere. If you're signed up for a p2p service, how hard is it to prove intent to redistribute ?
I thought I read somewhere that third party mp3's can now be malicious. That true ? |
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| crmsnidol |
quote:
Originally posted by nightguy
I thought I read somewhere that third party mp3's can now be malicious. That true ?
Malicious as in running code that damages your PC? Doubtful. What some labels are doing is intentionally blasting P2P systems with falsely named files that will look correct in size but in fact contain 15 seconds of the actual song and 3 minutes of static. Their hope is that you'll become frustrated and turn to a legitimate pay-per-download service. |
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| komondor |
you can have a virus or spyware masqerade as a mp3 file if you don't have file extensions turned on you may not be able to tell
yellow submarine.mp3 from yellow submarine.exe you can choose the icon that shows up too!
As for allofmp3.com
I have found quite a bit that says they are legit!
The US based RIAA and IFPI tried to bring suit. Under Russian law they are legal
Moscow, March 4. /Prime-Tass/. The Prosecutor of the Moscow’s South-Western district rejected to initiate a criminal case against distribution of music recordings by AllofMP3.com Internet resource. The Prime-TASS was informed of this by an informed source.
The writ about copyright violations by AllofMP3.com owners was submitted to the Prosecutor’s Office of Moscow’s South-Western administrative district on February 24, 2005 on behalf of the International Federation for Phonogram Industry /IFPI/.
During the investigation the Prosecutors Office found that the AllofMP3.com owners in fact did distribute music recordings via the online resource. However, the holder of right for these recordings did not authorize to distribute them for commercial purposes.
At the same time, the Prosecutor found that the Russian Law on copyright does not qualify Internet in legal terms, whereas the authors’ property rights are extended to distribution of copies of their works by any means. Along with that, the Prosecutor says that from judicial point of view, distribution of any works via Internet is impossible because it would be a digital transfer, whereas the current Russian legislation necessitates corporeal transfer of works only.
Besides that, the Prosecutor concluded that, distribution of works does not result in making a new copy of the work, but only creates conditions for being utilized by end consumer.
On these grounds, the Prosecutor’s Office in Moscow’s South-Western district rejected initiation of a criminal case against the Internet resource officials due to absence of corpus delicti
The company pays the artist royalties from the soings downloaded
You are buying the song in Russia then bringing it into the US
This is legal
Title 17 Chapter 6 Sec. 602 of the U.S. Code covers “Infringing importation of copies or phonorecords”. You can find this title here
Subsection (a) tells us:
“Importation into the United States, without the authority of the owner of copyright under this title, of copies or phonorecords of a work that have been acquired outside the United States is an infringement of the exclusive right to distribute copies or phonorecords under section 106, actionable under section 501.”
So it's illegal you may think. But take a close look at sub (a)(2):
“This subsection does not apply to importation, for the private use of the importer and not for distribution, by any person with respect to no more than one copy or phonorecord of any one work at any one time, or by any person arriving from outside the United States with respect to copies or phonorecords forming part of such person's personal baggage;”
If MP3’s, OGG’s etc are in fact considered phonorecords, U.S. citizens can legally buy these as long if they are for private use and not for distribution. If MP3s, OGG’s etc. are not considered phonorecords, no import laws apply. The sections of digital audio recording and sound recording have no mention of importation.
So in layman's terms the bottom line of this discussion is:
Downloading from Allofmp3 is legal for U.S. Citizens, as long as the files are for private use and not for distribution.
The site is really well laid out and downling albums with their download agent is simple and it even creates a seperate folder. It is not super fast but you can choose almost any format you want |
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| MDX05FAN |
quote:
Originally posted by crmsnidol
Malicious as in running code that damages your PC? Doubtful. What some labels are doing is intentionally blasting P2P systems with falsely named files that will look correct in size but in fact contain 15 seconds of the actual song and 3 minutes of static. Their hope is that you'll become frustrated and turn to a legitimate pay-per-download service.
Yes this has happened with WinMX but it still works if you don't mind trial and error :rolleyes: |
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| Nanagirl |
| Stay away from edonkey |
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Just wondering. . .
I actually like Limewire alot.
labor,
You're a lawyer, right? Don't you know that using Limewire to download copyrighted material is illegal? Aren't you risking your license by engaging in this activity? Just wondering... |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by Pierre
labor,
You're a lawyer, right? Don't you know that using Limewire to download copyrighted material is illegal? Aren't you risking your license by engaging in this activity? Just wondering...
And you know what, I think I jaywalked the other day. . . :eek: |
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| XStatic |
AllofMP3 is great, super easy to use PC application, doesn't crash, never a bad rip, always cheap and a fantastic range from old, new, hits, hard to find, etc. (This has been my experience anyway)
Once you get any money in your account you can listen to the entire song for free. (quality for freeplay isn't always that great though)
If you have a paypal account send them $10 and give it a shot.
That $10 will likely buy you about 100 songs as most of the time you will pay less that 10¢ each. |
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| Mr. Mom |
| I-tunes for me. (You have to draw the line somewhere.) Can’t beat the sound quality. |
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
And you know what, I think I jaywalked the other day. . . :eek:
There is a diff, and you know it! |
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| crmsnidol |
quote:
Originally posted by Pierre
There is a diff, and you know it!
Selective enforcement? |
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by crmsnidol
Selective enforcement?
Let's just say that I'm surprised that he would be so open about it. |
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| anjan |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
And you know what, I think I jaywalked the other day. . . :eek:
And you know what? Someone might have it on video.
Just like your ISP has all records of your online activity. RIAA can subpoena those records and you will get a letter in the mail. Don't make it a simple issue like you littered. It is considered very seriously by RIAA and to assume that they are doing this for kicks is delusional. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by Pierre
There is a diff, and you know it!
Sounds like you're trying to stir the pot. That's ok, but if you want to be "legalish" about it, I see no admission. I simply said I like a certain website. A rather broad statement. . . :readit: |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by anjan
And you know what? Someone might have it on video.
Just like your ISP has all records of your online activity. RIAA can subpoena those records and you will get a letter in the mail. Don't make it a simple issue like you littered. It is considered very seriously by RIAA and to assume that they are doing this for kicks is delusional.
You're making the assumption that I may be file sharing. |
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Sounds like you're trying to stir the pot. That's ok, but if you want to be "legalish" about it, I see no admission. I simply said I like a certain website. A rather broad statement. . . :readit:
You said: "Where do you go to download MP3's? Just wondering. . .
I actually like Limewire alot." Anyone can connect the dots.
As for my trying to stir the pot: "Hello, kettle to pot! Kettle to pot!". |
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| laborlitigator |
Compliments of EFF.org
How Not To Get Sued By The RIAA For File-Sharing
The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) announced on June 25, 2003, that it will begin suing users of peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing systems within the next few weeks. According to the announcement, the RIAA will be targeting users who upload/share "substantial" amounts of copyrighted music. The RIAA has stated that it will choose who to sue by using software that scans users' publicly available P2P directories and then identifies the ISP of each user. Then, using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), the RIAA will subpoena the ISP for each user's name, address, and other personal information in order to sue that user.
While there is no way to know exactly what the RIAA is going to do, who it is going to sue, or even how much music qualifies as a "substantial" amount, users of P2P networks can take the following steps to reduce their chances of being sued:
1. Either:
1. Make sure there are no potentially infringing files in your shared folder. This would ordinarily mean that your shared folder contains only files 1) that are in the public domain, 2) for which you have permission to share, or 3) that are made available under pro-sharing licenses, such as the Creative Commons license or other open media licenses, and
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Remove all potentially misleading file names that might be confused with the name of an RIAA artist or song (e.g., "Usher" or "Madonna") from your shared folder.
Or:
3. Disable the "sharing" or "uploading" features on your P2P application that allow other users on the network to get copies of files from your computer or scan any of your music directories. We hate this option, but it does appear that it will reduce your chances of becoming an RIAA target right now. For instructions on how to do this for particular applications, EFF suggests (but cannot guarantee) the following links:
* Grokster
o http://www.grokster.com/helpfaq.htm...Sharing%20files
o http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi...g/grokster.html
* Morpheus
o http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi...g/morpheus.html
o http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#morpheus
* KaZaA
o http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesharing/kazaa.html
o http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#kazaa
* Aimster/Madster
o Windows
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi...ng/aimster.html
o Mac OS
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi...imster_mac.html
* Gnutella
o Mactella
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi...g/mactella.html
o Gnucleus
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi...g/gnucleus.html
o Gnotella
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi...g/gnotella.html
o LimeWire
+ MacOS
# http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi...imewiremac.html
+ Windows
# http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi...imewirewin.html
# http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#limewire
o BearShare
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/fi.../bearshare.html
+ http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#bearshare
o iMesh
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesharing/imesh.html
o WinMX
+ http://www.oit.duke.edu/helpdesk/filesharing/winmx.html
+ http://penguin.cc.edu/peer/peer2peer.html#winmx
2.
The RIAA appears to be targeting subpoenas at users who allow their computers to be "Supernodes" on the FastTrack P2P System (used, for instance, by KaZaA and Morpheus). In order to further reduce the risk of having your ISP subpoenaed or of being sued yourself, we recommend that you make sure your computer is not being used as a Supernode. To learn more about Supernodes and how to make sure your computer is not one, look here: http://www.whtvcable.com/fasttrack and http://helpdesk.princeton.edu/kb/display.plx?ID=9245. See also Disabling the Supernode function with KaZaA (PDF 331k).
3.
If you receive notice that your ISP has been subpoenaed for your name and address, consider contacting www.subpoenadefense.org, where you can find information about how to defend your privacy and a list of attorneys willing to help. Contact your ISP and ask the people there to notify you immediately if they receive a subpoena seeking your identity. |
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Compliments of EFF.org
How Not To Get Sued By The RIAA For File-Sharing
So ... it's OK as long as:
a) You don't get caught; or
b) You can cover your tracks.
Pretty ethical, there, labor! |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by Pierre
You said: "Where do you go to download MP3's? Just wondering. . .
I actually like Limewire alot." Anyone can connect the dots.
As for my trying to stir the pot: "Hello, kettle to pot! Kettle to pot!".
Your assumption is that all MP3's are illegal. Big assumption. . . |
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| Nanagirl |
| Record industry lackey |
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Your assumption is that all MP3's are illegal. Big assumption. . .
No, it's not my assumption.
MP3s are file formats, and are perfectly legal and legitimate. It's the downloading of copyrighted MP3 files (or any other type of copyrighted file) without the author's permission that is illegal.
YOU SAID you liked Limewire, which is not a site from which you can legally download MP3s. |
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| Mr. Mom |
| I think we’ve all been ripped off paying $18 and up for CD’s. When they first came out most everyone replaced their record and tape collections with the new technology. This was big bucks to do. So now we don’t feel so bad about ripping off the companies and call it payback. However, paying a dollar per song is fair and I’m will do that if not for me, then as an example for my daughter. |
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| XStatic |
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Mom
I-tunes for me. (You have to draw the line somewhere.) Can’t beat the sound quality.
I have been very impressed with sound quality from AllofMP3 and you can not beat the price for reliable, quality recordings without the hassle of waiting for someone to have the song you are looking for be online. Peer to peer works great for the top hits but AllofMP3 has everything online all the time and download speeds seem very reasonable.
I just put together a slide show of 3 years of disney trips and used AllofMP3 to pick up background music from Cinderella, to Winnie the Pooh, all at 5¢ a pop.
And no, AllofMP3 doesn't have a referral program, I just can't believe I waited so long to start using them... |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by Pierre
No, it's not my assumption.
MP3s are file formats, and are perfectly legal and legitimate. It's the downloading of copyrighted MP3 files (or any other type of copyrighted file) without the author's permission that is illegal.
YOU SAID you liked Limewire, which is not a site from which you can legally download MP3s.
Again, you make the assumption that I am downloading copyrighted MP3s. |
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| anjan |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
You're making the assumption that I may be file sharing.
Not assuming anything at all. Just providing the information to anyone who's downloading considering the p2p system to be anonymous. Wasn't aimed at you specifically :) |
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