| Adam12 |
| Does anyone know of a lowering kit for 2005 MDX?I've looked high and low. As a matter a fact I've never seen a lowered MDX. I'm the proud owner of a 2005 touring with nav and dvd. My wife complained that she would like to lower a little for better handling. So that means I get to play. Some new wheels and suspension set up are in order. I'm looking for something mild/not ghetto that doesn't destroy the awesome ride. |
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| Rick_James |
-How about just getting wider-tires for better handeling? It will help alot. Not a big fan of suspension drops. messing with the camber and throwing it off and then cv axel/joint strains can become costly in time.
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| Adam12 |
| I just wanted something slight. Maybe 1 in. to 1.5 in. |
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| SuperTech |
I can't believe I'm reading this...
I've got a lowering, high performance kit for you. You've got several options too. It's called a Porsche Cayenne or a Range Rover Sport or a Trailblazer SS.
You bought the wrong vehicle. |
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| JL_SS |
| I agree with ST. If you wife is pushing the MDX to the point where lowering the suspension is desired for better handling then perhaps she needs a sports car rather than an SUV. The MDX handles pretty well for an SUV and driving a 4500 lb SUV like a sports car vastly increases the chance of rolling it over. |
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| eRauL |
| Lowering kit, eh? Interesting. I just told my friend, who was wondering how to lower his Navigator, that he could simply distribute piles of steel plates around the interior to lower it :2: |
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| gdot |
| There's nothing made specifically for the MDX. H&R lowering springs for an Odyssey fit, but they will lower it 2"-2.5". Mine are on order right now. |
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| Adam12 |
to: Supertech and Jl_SS
Imagine my suprise when I read your thread. As a corvette owner and Corvette Forum member I have never read such garbage. I cannot believe that persons with a common interest still feed the need to cap on someone just because it's not their taste. I've never seen this on any other forum, except the supercharger versus turbo arguement. As for my wifes driving, well thats something else. I guess it's impossible to ask a simple question to people whom I thought would have the answer. I shouldn't have to explain why I purchased an MDX! Why did you? Grow up.... |
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| G. COLTON |
quote:
Originally posted by SuperTech
I can't believe I'm reading this...
I've got a lowering, high performance kit for you. You've got several options too. It's called a Porsche Cayenne or a Range Rover Sport or a Trailblazer SS.
You bought the wrong vehicle.
Tell me about this Trailblazer SS. Is the passenger seat height significantly lower that the MDX? All (at least all as far as I could investigate) of the new mid size SUV's have got their passenger seat too high, except fo the MDX.
I have a son who has Cerebral Paulsey and must transfer into a vehicle from his wheel chair. He can barely get into the MDX with effort. However, I could not find another midsize that he could get into.
I try to keep my open for possible options for the next vehicle that I buy. Never can tell when something will happen and I need a new vehicle next week.
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| G. COLTON |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam12
to: Supertech and Jl_SS
Imagine my suprise when I read your thread. As a corvette owner and Corvette Forum member I have never read such garbage. I cannot believe that persons with a common interest still feed the need to cap on someone just because it's not their taste. I've never seen this on any other forum, except the supercharger versus turbo arguement. As for my wifes driving, well thats something else. I guess it's impossible to ask a simple question to people whom I thought would have the answer. I shouldn't have to explain why I purchased an MDX! Why did you? Grow up....
You are sort of a sensitive fellow are you not?
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| nightguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam12
to: Supertech and Jl_SS
Imagine my suprise when I read your thread. As a corvette owner and Corvette Forum member I have never read such garbage. I cannot believe that persons with a common interest still feed the need to cap on someone just because it's not their taste. I've never seen this on any other forum, except the supercharger versus turbo arguement. As for my wifes driving, well thats something else. I guess it's impossible to ask a simple question to people whom I thought would have the answer. I shouldn't have to explain why I purchased an MDX! Why did you? Grow up....
I've always thought it wasn't possible. Maybe that's not true. :confused: |
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| SuperTech |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam12
to: Supertech and Jl_SS
Imagine my suprise when I read your thread. As a corvette owner and Corvette Forum member I have never read such garbage. I cannot believe that persons with a common interest still feed the need to cap on someone just because it's not their taste. I've never seen this on any other forum, except the supercharger versus turbo arguement. As for my wifes driving, well thats something else. I guess it's impossible to ask a simple question to people whom I thought would have the answer. I shouldn't have to explain why I purchased an MDX! Why did you? Grow up....
You've never seen people openly criticized? Even on a Corvette forum?! Ha! You must not look very hard. Sports car owners usually have the biggest egos and think their car is the best and everything else is crap. Chevy vs. Ford anyone? Import vs. Domestic? Squabbles on the internet are a dime a dozen. Well anyways. HI! Welcome to America. And in America there's this wonderful thing called [Dr. Evil quote fingers]freedom of expression.[/fingers] This allows me to go into your thread and offer up my opinion...whether you like it or not.
I personally don't give a crap why you bought an MDX. Just based on what you're asking of it, I think you should have bought something else. I ask the same thing out of my vehicle...which is why I don't own one. I just work on them. |
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| SuperTech |
quote:
Originally posted by G. COLTON
Tell me about this Trailblazer SS. Is the passenger seat height significantly lower that the MDX? All (at least all as far as I could investigate) of the new mid size SUV's have got their passenger seat too high, except fo the MDX.
I have a son who has Cerebral Paulsey and must transfer into a vehicle from his wheel chair. He can barely get into the MDX with effort. However, I could not find another midsize that he could get into.
The upcoming Trialblazer SS will be a modern day version of the GMC Typhoon. And to be honest, it really won't be all that much lower...if at all, from a standard Trailblazer. It's going to have a "sport suspension" with air springs in the back. GM says it has a lowered ride height, but from the looks of the pictures...I can't see it. But it will definitely have some straightline performance with a 400hp V8 and brakes stolen from the C6 Corvette.
Gm does have a very good rebate program called GM Mobility that will reimburse you X amount of dollars to install equipment for handicap accessibility when you buy a new GM vehicle. You might want to look into it.
If you just want something low, and of some decent size that's got some SUV capablity...I'd take a look at an all wheel drive Dodge Magnum. |
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| Sooner in FL |
quote:
Originally posted by G. COLTON
Tell me about this Trailblazer SS. Is the passenger seat height significantly lower that the MDX? All (at least all as far as I could investigate) of the new mid size SUV's have got their passenger seat too high, except fo the MDX.
I have a son who has Cerebral Paulsey and must transfer into a vehicle from his wheel chair. He can barely get into the MDX with effort. However, I could not find another midsize that he could get into.
I try to keep my open for possible options for the next vehicle that I buy. Never can tell when something will happen and I need a new vehicle next week.
George
Hey G, have you looked at a Honda Element for your son. Granted, it is totally different than the X, but it is easy to get in and out. It has the same v tech i4 as the Accord. I ask you this question, because I help a friend with his new Element EX purchase just yesterday. I got it below invoice for $19100 and trade in value of $9365 for his 04 Saturn ion 3. The initial offer from the dealer was $20000 for the Element and $6000 for the trade in. He can not stand to haggle and I hate to see him get burned like his Saturn. Also, I get $100 for a referral. |
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| SuperTech |
| Element is not what I'd call a mid size SUV. But at least for '06 they got rid of the rubbermaid like plastic body panels. |
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| Adam12 |
Supertech, I'll tell you, ego yes, you definately have it covered. Is the welcome to America comment a racist thing. I hope not. You have already shown your intelligence level. I hope you wouldn't stoop that low.
Also I will openly correct you. THe Trailblazer SS will have 395 horse LS2, not 400. THis is due to the Trailblazer having a crank driven cooling fan and not electric. SInce you pretend to know what your talking about, I'll continue. The General did the crank fan so the towing capacity could be increased. Now you can pretend you know something. I'm glad your not working on any of my vehicles. I might let you cut my lawn. Ahhh nevermind I wouldn't let you do that as well. |
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| nightguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam12
Ahhh nevermind I wouldn't let you do that as well.
You're not serious, right ? :cool: |
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| Adam12 |
Supertech, Ego yes, you got it covered. The welcome to America comment, I'm wondering if that's racist comment. I hope not. You have already shown your intelligence level. As far as you not giving a crap, well good for you.
I will now openly correct you. By the way the info you give is inaccurate. For being some wrench, you know nothing about cars.
THe Tralblazer SS will have a 395 horse LS2. I will explain further because you probably can't figure it out. THe Ls2 lost 5 horse because it uses a crank driven fan instead of an electric fan. It will also have a slightly lowered stance, approx. 1 inch all the way around. Now you know. You can know act like you know something.
By the way, someone might want to read comsumer reports about the Trailblazer before purchasing one. I understand they leave alot to be desired. THey look great though! |
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| Adam12 |
| Sorry for the second deal.I guess I show my intelligence level right by submitting twice. By the way, I'm never serious and hard to offend. |
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| G. COLTON |
Supertech and Sooner, thanks for the replies.
I know that GM has a good reinbursement program. However, I know of no equipment that will solve this problem. The equipment is mostly lifts for vans and that type of thing. What I need is a slightly lower vehicle and lowering a vehicle does not come into GM's program. They say that would void the warranty. What would be nice is a vehicle with the front seat height of my old 98 Blazer.
The Trailblazer sounds like an interesting vehicle. However, i do not think that I am any longer interested in big power vehicles. Probably would not let that stop me though if everything else was what I wanted.
Sooner, thanks for the tought. What you are describing sounds like a smaller, cheaper vehicle. Not what I would really want for a daily driver.
Now that my son has moved to Tampa to work the problem is less. He now only has to ride with me when we go there to visit or he is home at thanksgiving and Christmas or on a school TDY. He, with effort, can get into and out of the MDX so guess since it is no longer full time thing we will get by.
Everybody have a good day.
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| SuperTech |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam12
Supertech, Ego yes, you got it covered. The welcome to America comment, I'm wondering if that's racist comment. I hope not. You have already shown your intelligence level. As far as you not giving a crap, well good for you.
I will now openly correct you. By the way the info you give is inaccurate. For being some wrench, you know nothing about cars.
THe Tralblazer SS will have a 395 horse LS2. I will explain further because you probably can't figure it out. THe Ls2 lost 5 horse because it uses a crank driven fan instead of an electric fan. It will also have a slightly lowered stance, approx. 1 inch all the way around. Now you know. You can know act like you know something.
Thank you so much for proving what I said about sports car owners. I know that you all just can not stand to be told that you're wrong or you did something dumb. Well guess what...you're wrong. And you did something dumb by telling me that I'm wrong. Now let me openly put you in your place.
Firstly, I said welcome to America because based on what you said about never having seen a dispute on the internet...I would think that you've been living under a rock for the past 10 years. Maybe I should have said welcome to planet Earth to avoid offending your racial sensitivity?
Second, GM uses engine driven fans on their trucks because trucks have more upright radiators to allow for them. And since they can get away with using them...they do. They are cheaper than electric fans. It has nothing to do with tow capacity. Hell an electric fan on high will pull more air than a thermal clutch fan at typical towing speeds. I don't know where you get all this supposed insider GM intel, but let me tell you...it's not making you look good.
Because lastly, the Chevy SS-R uses the same GMT360 platform that the Trailblazer SS is based from. The 2006 SS-R also comes with the LS2 engine. Yet the LS2 in the SS-R can be rated at 400hp despite the fact that it also uses a thermal clutch type fan if you get it with the T-56 manual transmission. If you choose the automatic...as the only way the Trailbalzer SS is equipped, you get 395hp.
So the same engine, with the same fan setup that you think is the cause of the loss of 5hp, can be still be 400hp. But I'll admit...you had me going for a second because you certainly can "act like you know something" pretty well. Yes, the SS is in fact 395 hp, and I did in fact say 400 even. If you would've just said "hey dumbass it's not 400, it's 395" there's not much I could have said. But then you go into this educated guess of an explanation as to why...and shot yourself in the foot.
Just for the record....the real reason the SS has 5 less hp than the Corvette's LS2 (even a Corvette with an automatic) is because GM engineers have this wonderful little thing called "torque management" programed in the PCM which slightly limits power output to avoid damage to the powertrain.
Next time, do your homework before you come after me. That is...if you have time after mowing your lawn. |
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| EXCALIBUR |
I just love this *friendly* banter and exchange of ideas. Semper fi. Carry on!!! |
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| Adam12 |
Supertech,
Well done, however I still don't agree with you. That is not important though. I will easily blow a hole in your theory. The problem is "Torque Management" which does exist like you say it does. However I understand that the torque management pulls power at shift points. THis is like you say to save the drivetrain. As you can see though this would have nothing to do with peak power. We all know the power is not measured at shift points right.
I'll have to admit "you had me going for a second". SO I re-checked my homework.
Now you admit, you may have met your match! |
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| Adam12 |
| Oh yeah, I mowed the lawn this morning. It looks great.... |
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| Adam12 |
| You know, when it comes down to it, your right. THe Trailblazer makes 395 horse not 400 like you said. Now, none of this is important but it's easy to get your goat isn't it. |
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| dj-mdx2 |
| ... this thread is so appropriate |
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| Adam12 |
| Oh yeah he definately said it best |
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| SuperTech |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam12
Supertech,
Well done, however I still don't agree with you. That is not important though. I will easily blow a hole in your theory. The problem is "Torque Management" which does exist like you say it does. However I understand that the torque management pulls power at shift points. THis is like you say to save the drivetrain. As you can see though this would have nothing to do with peak power. We all know the power is not measured at shift points right.
I'll have to admit "you had me going for a second". SO I re-checked my homework.
Now you admit, you may have met your match!
Just stop it. I'm really getting tired of teaching you about cars, but if somebody doesn't do it, then you'll just keep acting like a know it all jackass on every forum you're on. Here's a tip...if a 10 year veteran master tech tells you something is one way versus what you think is right based on what you read in Motor Trend, or something from other blowhard know it alls who think they know something because they have an engineering degree and read about cars...trust the guy who actually works with cars for a living and not the one who just drives them and reads about them.
Torque management can be used at all times and not just at shift points. Why does a manual transmission equipped vehicle also have torque management then? Familiar with the program LS1Edit? Why do so many people who use it talk about turning off torque management even though they have a manual if what you say is true. Torque management can step in slighty, or in the case of shifting an auto trans...drastically. It can also reduce engine power in the case of a trouble code, or soemthing operating out of engine parameters (such as coolant overtemp).
Got my goat? You're the one who posted three times in a row like you just HAD to have the last jab. Now here's mine. You do not know more than me about the technical aspect of cars. Come up with whatever you want to make me look like I'm talking out of my ass, and I'll prove you wrong everytime. So I made an off the cuff remark that the SS has 400hp. I rounded up. Big frigging deal. Manufacturers round up to the nearest multiple of 5 all the time. Nobody would start world war 3 over it. You're just pissed that I think you're an idiot for trying to make an MDX handle like an NSX, and you looked for whatever angle you could to try and make me feel like what you are...an idiot. Have I got your goat? I already did with my first reply in this thread. But you'll sign it in ink if you just can't shut the hell up and be wrong by rebutting this one. |
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| Adam12 |
Here's your signature in ink. Don't give a flying hoot what you think. Your frustrated, you proved it by your name calling. School yard stuff. Very nice. Careful you don't know what I do, you don't know if I'm a "master wrench spinner". It doesn't matter that your self proclaimed master. You proved to be a punk. Oh yeah I can throw mud as well. It's funny your actually the first wrench I've ever spoken to who made any sense. To bad your an idiot in the same breath. WHo's wrong or right. It doesn't matter, I was having fun and you turned it into something else. Meet out by the flag pole anyone. Maybe you should be welcomed to earth that there is someone whom doesn't agree with you. Imagine that. How pitiful you really are. I do like having the last word. Couple things.
#1 Engines dyno for sae without transmission. It would be nice to have rear wheel horsepower ratings,just doesn't happen.
#2 SAE no longer allows the "rounding up five" It's the latest drama
When you read this and get mad, try not to kick your dog. So be a punk get mad rant and rave and throw a tissy. Most weanies do... |
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| dj-mdx2 |
| Can't we all just get along, like a big happy Acura family?:p |
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| SuperTech |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam12
Here's your signature
that your self proclaimed
your actually the first wrench
To bad your an idiot
For the love of god man...it's you're! Well, you may or may not be a master tech. Odds are you're not if you have a Corvete and an MDX and are asking questions about how to lower a vehicle. And odds are you're not an English teacher either.
quote:
Originally posted by Adam12
#1 Engines dyno for sae without transmission. It would be nice to have rear wheel horsepower ratings,just doesn't happen.
#2 SAE no longer allows the "rounding up five" It's the latest drama
I'm aware of both of these facts.
But the final hp numbers are still based on the powertrain. This is why the SS-R has two different hp ratings depending on the transmission you choose.
And they may not allow it, but they still round up or down. Some big horsepower cars were recertified. The Corvette Z06 went from 500hp...a multiple of 5, to gasp(!) 505...another multiple of 5! The Dodge Viper did the same thing. What are the odds?!?! The new numbers still still look like they've been rounded! Well, since you say they don't allow it, then surely that must be it. The Corvette didn't turn up 503.4...it came up exactly 505.0 hp on the good ol' SAE dyno didn't it?[/blatant sarcasm]
As I've said. You can keep telling everyone I don't know what I'm talking about till your fingers freeze up on your keyboard. I personally don't care what the score is here in this little war. I just can't stand to see someone pass themself off like they really know about something when in reality they know just enough to sound believable but are still misinformed, and that pass that misinformation on to others...creating more half assed, self made car "gurus" like they think they are. |
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| Adam12 |
SUpertech, Well I actually agree "gasp" with most of what you said. Do manufacturers advertise 503.6 hp. No, they probably never will. THe not rounding up is just one of the new rules implemented. THere is always a somehow to get around it. It was rumored Honda was using low levels of oil in crankcase in order for oil wrapping to not lower the hp. Actually I think it was Sport Truck that commented the Acura MDX was the biggest loser, meaning showing the largest loss in hp with the new ratings.
I think you misunderstand me. I do not try to challenge your supremecy "ha"on the Forum. I was merely responding and having a good time. I never mean any harm. THe items I have commented on are not things I have made up, or heard from some guy whom is a tree short of a shade tree wrench. These are from good sources. And no not all are from Motor Trend or Car and Driver.
Now to put this to a friendly rest. I'm a firm advocate that the CORRECT aftermarket parts can improve MOST vehicles. THis is not always true. My experience has been both. Sometimes a mod was made and I then understand why it wasn't done that way from the factory. THe factory must consider cost and what most people expect out of a vehicle. Not all people want to listen to a loud exhaust or loud intake noise. Some like it and can appreciate the performance benefits. That's why it's aftermarket, it allows an indivigual to make the choice.
If it were up to me, we would of purchased a more performance orientated vehicle. The MDX though, was sporty, had some performance, is nice looking and most important safe to have my family in. Plus it seemed all my friends had a Tahoe or Yukon so I wanted to be a little different. A Land Rover was definately not in the price range. Maybe your a rich wrench.
No I'm obviously not a Wrench or a English Teacher. You would be most likely suprised though. I know you don' care so I won't go any further.
My friends do not share the same love for the auto that I have, so I rarely get an oppurtunity to have an exchange such as this. I love it. The insults suck. I get enough of that from my wife. So it's dead, call it what you want. If I knew you didn't want to play I would have never knocked on the door. |
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| eurohazard |
Adam12, you are a sack.
SuperTech: You say, "But the final hp numbers are still based on the powertrain. This is why the SS-R has two different hp ratings depending on the transmission you choose."
You make it sound like the "powertrain", or transmission type directly affects the horsepower rating. I think it is more due to ECU flashing. And the ECUs are flashed differently for a MT vs. AT. |
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| Mr. Mom |
Adam 12,
Google turns you up as a Deputy Dog, figures being Adam 12. Well deputy, you must have married well or ?? I wish you would can the crap. We finally get a wrench who knows what he’s talking about and you have to do your cop number. Buzz off. |
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| G. COLTON |
You are not only sensitive and combative but you need to get an understanding of the various forms of the word you.
Your is not correct when you are trying to say you are. You want to use you're. Your is the personal possessive.
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| SuperTech |
quote:
Originally posted by eurohazard
You make it sound like the "powertrain", or transmission type directly affects the horsepower rating. I think it is more due to ECU flashing. And the ECUs are flashed differently for a MT vs. AT.
Yes and no. For the GM vehicle in this particular case, yes the only difference is what's programmed in the PCM. For other vehicles...the transmission does actualy determine mechanical parts in the engine too. Right here at home, the Acura NSX came with a lower output 3.0L engine if the buyer opted for the automatic versus the 3.2L with the six speed. About ten years ago, the 300ZX twin turbo came with 300hp from its VG30TT engine in a manual equipped powertrain. Yet, with an automatic...you only got 280hp. The difference was in the camshafts put in the engine from what I understand. Other cars today have different hp numbers based on transmission. Whether the difference is "software" or "hardware" or a little of both depends on each individual vehicle. |
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| SuperTech |
quote:
Originally posted by Adam12
THe items I have commented on are not things I have made up, or heard from some guy whom is a tree short of a shade tree wrench.
Now to put this to a friendly rest. I'm a firm advocate that the CORRECT aftermarket parts can improve MOST vehicles. THis is not always true. My experience has been both. Sometimes a mod was made and I then understand why it wasn't done that way from the factory. THe factory must consider cost and what most people expect out of a vehicle.
My sources are field experience, printed information that most people can't get their hands on unless they're really in the business, and from people that actually know more than me who also work in the industry. I have talked to or heard from several engineers from GM Powertrain and even the Corvette engineering team in the past.
In respect to what you want to do to an MDX with your aftermarket lowering parts...anytime you remove ride height from a vehicle that's less the suspension can travel when it hits a bump. Meaning you either compensate by also putting in dampers with a higher rate so it doesn't bottom out or eventually let your jounce bumpers get smashed into oblivion. You want to do it right...so you install the higher rate shocks (something I don't think is availble for an MDX). Now it rides mush harsher...like a Corvette. And since you've lowered it, you've affected suspension geometery. Now you'll be wearing the insides of your tires out much faster. So by lowering it and making the vehicle do something is wasn't intended for...you've got something that will buck you and your passengers over every little bump now (making you all wonder just where is the "luxury" in your luxury SUV) and will cost you money by wearing tires out in half the time.
Not to say that all aftermarket parts and modifications are bad. Just the one in this case...not a good idea. The MDX was not meant to be lowered and doesn't have the provisions to adjust the suspension to handle it. As I said, you should've got something else. Like a Trailblazer SS. You don't need to be rich to buy one of those. It'll be on par with the price of an MDX. |
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| JL_SS |
quote:
Originally posted by eurohazard
Adam12, you are a sack.
Adam12,
Supertech at least established a reputation for knowing what he was talking about on this site (especially in relation to the MDX since he is an Acura Tech) before insulting people. As you can see by the responses, you're not gaining any respect by coming in with both guns blazing instead of just explaining why it makes sense for you to lower your MDX. |
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| Ceenit |
You guys are hilarious:2: :2: :2:
It's like watching two computer geeks debate over which is better, the Intel or and AMD processor. No one is every totally right or totally wrong, but the commentary between meaningful data points is always entertaining. Let's see if we can get back to some constructive commentary on MDX's.
And let's be a bit civil by not trying to pile on any one person or the other, it only perpetuates useless banter, and runs off potential contributors to future threads.
By the way, it doesn't sound like there are any good loweing options for the MDX yet, but stay tuned. Taste is purely personal, whether lowering, changing rims, flaming paint jobs, adding logo's to your car, or 'droping in a turbo :D' (all very interesting threads from the forum).
It's Friday, have a drink
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| gdot |
Couldn't you have said this
quote:
Originally posted by SuperTech
In respect to what you want to do to an MDX with your aftermarket lowering parts...anytime you remove ride height from a vehicle that's less the suspension can travel when it hits a bump. Meaning you either compensate by also putting in dampers with a higher rate so it doesn't bottom out or eventually let your jounce bumpers get smashed into oblivion. You want to do it right...so you install the higher rate shocks (something I don't think is availble for an MDX). Now it rides mush harsher...like a Corvette. And since you've lowered it, you've affected suspension geometery. Now you'll be wearing the insides of your tires out much faster. So by lowering it and making the vehicle do something is wasn't intended for...you've got something that will buck you and your passengers over every little bump now (making you all wonder just where is the "luxury" in your luxury SUV) and will cost you money by wearing tires out in half the time.
Not to say that all aftermarket parts and modifications are bad. Just the one in this case...not a good idea. The MDX was not meant to be lowered and doesn't have the provisions to adjust the suspension to handle it. As I said, you should've got something else. Like a Trailblazer SS. You don't need to be rich to buy one of those. It'll be on par with the price of an MDX.
Before you said this:
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Originally posted by SuperTech
I can't believe I'm reading this...
I've got a lowering, high performance kit for you. You've got several options too. It's called a Porsche Cayenne or a Range Rover Sport or a Trailblazer SS.
You bought the wrong vehicle.
I've been reading your past posts and respect the insight you've given this forum, but even I was offended by the way you came across in this post. It's my money and my vehicle. I can do anything I want to do with it. And why do you care anyway? It just means that I'll be bringing some work in for you or some other "master tech" in the future. |
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| Mr. Mom |
Originally posted by SuperTech
I can't believe I'm reading this...
I've got a lowering, high performance kit for you. You've got several options too. It's called a Porsche Cayenne or a Range Rover Sport or a Trailblazer SS.
You bought the wrong vehicle
Funny, I thought the same thing as Super Tech. It reminded me of heating the springs on a 63 Chevy.
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by gdot
It's my money and my vehicle. I can do anything I want to do with it. And why do you care anyway? It just means that I'll be bringing some work in for you or some other "master tech" in the future.
And the beauty of the U.S. is that we can comment (good or bad within forum guidelines) about what you want to do with your money and your vehicle. |
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| Adam12 |
| It sounds like Supertech and I are the only ones not angry anymore. Intense. Mr Mom that was some nice investigative work. However wrong person. |
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| Adam12 |
| I do agree with one thing though. There is not a good way to lower a mdx. Imagine it took all of that. |
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| EXCALIBUR |
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Originally posted by Adam12
I do agree with one thing though. There is not a good way to lower a mdx. Imagine it took all of that.
That being said by the OP, anyone up for a group hug?;) |
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| SuperTech |
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Originally posted by gdot
It's my money and my vehicle. I can do anything I want to do with it. And why do you care anyway? It just means that I'll be bringing some work in for you or some other "master tech" in the future.
Actually you won't. Based on what I've seen from most members here on the board, they avoid going to the "stealer" at all costs...unless of course there is no cost (warranty work). But in a case like this, any problems that can even be remotely caused by a lowering kit, like say a power steering pump going out) will void any warranty claim. And most dealers wouldn't even think of putting an aftermarket lowering kit on a car because they know it will cause problems down the road. |
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| Adam12 |
Question, I swear I'm not "pretending" to know, It has just never been really clear about warranty repair on a vehicle with Aftermarket.
I know SEMA say the dealer has to prove the failure came from the aftermarket part in order to not warranty. However they have good reason to say this for obvious reasons. WHats the real story? If there is a lowering kit on a vehicle and there is a failure with say a suspension componet it's obvious the dealer would give you some flack. What if the lowered vehicle has a problem with the A/C. Does the kit void all the warranty? |
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| Adam12 |
| Another point is GM dealers are famous for the new lifted Chevy Truck or lowered truck. DO they warranty the suspension if it's dealer installed. If so that would be a major good reason to purchase one already modified by the dealer. If not that would suck. I may like a modified vehicle but all my cars "so far" I've waited till they were out of warranty for these reasons mentioned above. |
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| SuperTech |
Dealers usually don't install those lift kits on their trucks. They sublet it out to a 4x4 shop. If there's a problem with the suspension, they sublet it right back to where the suspension came from. And if they say it's a factory part that failed and the dealer should pay...it becomes a game of two shops ponting fingers at eachother saying it isn't their fault all the while niether of them will pick up the tab for the repair.
Warranties can be voided if whatever part(s) failed is in anyway related to whatever parts were put on outside the factory. Like when I said power steering pump could be loosely related to a lowering kit, it also applies to a lifted truck with big knobby tires. You've changed the effort required to steer the wheels, therefore you've added more stress to the pump. Warranty void. If an A/C compressor were to fail, that'd be a reach to prove they're related. But, if you put any engine modifications on...that can damn near void out anything on the entire powertrain. Compressor failed? I can hear it already. "Well, you've got that cold air intake (that everyone secretly really knows doesn't add any real hp...just noise) and that has increased the power and makes the engine revs accelerate quicker...something that the A/C compressor wasn't designed to handle." Very very loose association, and a weak one at that. But it's all a dealer would need to see to be within their grounds to not cover that compressor under warranty. Politics, goodwill, yada yada, would all play a role in whether they actually went through with denying the claim though. |
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| Adam12 |
So on items that are most likely not associated (the a/c thing) this would ultimately depend on the dealer/service manager. I guess every delaer is different why not the shop.
There is actually a couple of dealers around here that are not bad to deal with when it comes to this subject matter. Unfortunately there both Ford dealers and I don't own a Ford at this time. (no hate mail, I like Ford trucks, Mustangs and of course the Gt 40 I just don't happen to own one at this time) So for people around here unless you own a Ford, your kinda out of luck. |
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| MesaBeige |
| I am looking forward to the day that this wll join my lowering kit club |
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| G. COLTON |
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Originally posted by MesaBeige
I am looking forward to the day that this wll join my lowering kit club
You really would not do that toa classic would you. It would ruin the value.
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| SuperTech |
Original factory knock offs have got to be worth $7500 alone.
I wouldn't lower one of those, but a modern C5/C6 Corvette does have provisions to lower ride height built in from the factory if the owner wishes to race it. |
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| Pierre |
Adam 12,
Why the successive posts? Suggest you put your thoughts together first, then post. If you're merely trying to up your post count, forget it -- DaleB has you beat. He's in another galaxy.
SuperTech -- way to go! |
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| hammermdx |
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Originally posted by MesaBeige
I am looking forward to the day that this wll join my lowering kit club
Wow, that's a beauty and perfect just as it is!!!:4: :4: :4: |
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| Adam12 |
| I just don't get it. The minute things get mild, somone has to start in. Whatever |
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| MesaBeige |
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Originally posted by G. COLTON
You really would not do that toa classic would you. It would ruin the value.
G
My point was that when I need to get lower, I just would get into a vehicle already much lower to the road. The MDX is a utility vehicle and why anyone is interested in lowering a utility vehicle is beyond my comprehension.
Here is my other car that is much lower to the ground, just like it came from the factory
Keep on truckin
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| G. COLTON |
OK Mesa. I understand and agree.
G |
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| whittlebeast |
Here is a slightly different way to look at this project. With engineering and logic.
In the front we have a McPherson Strut From what I can see there is not a ton of extra wheel travel in the compression direction. The other issue it that the springs are a closed end design making just cutting off a coil somewhat more difficult. As far as the roll centers in the front, a 1" or 2" prop would have little effect on the handling.
The rear is some what more complicated. The biggest issue is the miserable angle of the shocks with respect to the suspension travel. This would only get worse with lowering. Honda may have designs some sort of rising rate shock to help deal with this, but I doubt it. More than likely this was a huge engineering compromise between the suspension guys and the interior guys.
Bottom line is this is not a good vehicle to slam. Honda went out of there way to to get the MDX as low as possible. I have not had mine long enough to notice a lack of suspension compression travel but based on what I see we are going to mess things up fairly fast. Take it from a guy that can and will modify anything.
AW
PS my resume is at www.ncs-stl.com/racecar and www.ncs-stl.com/xp for my fuel injected (megasquirt) jetski |
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| lennyhype |
| have anyone tried using the honda h&r springs to lower the mdx |
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| Warzau |
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Originally posted by SuperTech
I can't believe I'm reading this...
I've got a lowering, high performance kit for you. You've got several options too. It's called a Porsche Cayenne or a Range Rover Sport or a Trailblazer SS.
You bought the wrong vehicle.
What he said:4: |
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| SuperTech |
| I was just behind an '04+ MDX yesterday on the freeway. It had a "lowering kit" on it. There were three full size adults in the back. From behind it, I noticed that there was a lot of negative camber on the rear tires. I thought, "wow, they're going to need tires soon." Then when I got next to it I saw that the back end was sagging a bit because of the weight they were hauling. |
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| lennyhype |
| i tried using the H&r kit for the honda odyssey on my 2001 acura mdx the front springs worked but thr rear srpings where too big |
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| perk |
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Originally posted by SuperTech
I was just behind an '04+ MDX yesterday on the freeway. It had a "lowering kit" on it. There were three full size adults in the back. From behind it, I noticed that there was a lot of negative camber on the rear tires. I thought, "wow, they're going to need tires soon." Then when I got next to it I saw that the back end was sagging a bit because of the weight they were hauling.
I'm surprised more folks don't have a problem with tire wear from towing or carrying large family in the X. I take lots of trips and always have the rear end loaded with stuff. The rear sags badly when loaded and that always causes the rear tires to wear on the inside. I finally had to install an airbag kit in the springs to raise the rear for towing and hauling. |
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| Henson |
| So what year odyssey springs work on the MDX??? |
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