| Groo |
Thought I'd share
The 07 will have as an option the same run flat tire technology as the Honda Odyssey.
Mirrors will have integrated turn signals (not sure if that will be standard or optional) |
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| anjan |
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Originally posted by Groo
Thought I'd share
The 07 will have as an option the same run flat tire technology as the Honda Odyssey.
Mirrors will have integrated turn signals (not sure if that will be standard or optional)
After seeing my friend having one in his Sienna and paying a fortune to get new ones, I'll stay away from run-flats :)
The two options I think will be most sought for are -
- SH-AWD
- HID Xenon headlights
And I'm hoping they don't change the headlight design too much so I can buy the parts from Tim and retrofit on mine :cool: |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by anjan
After seeing my friend having one in his Sienna and paying a fortune to get new ones, I'll stay away from run-flats :)
The two options I think will be most sought for are -
- SH-AWD
- HID Xenon headlights
And I'm hoping they don't change the headlight design too much so I can buy the parts from Tim and retrofit on mine :cool:
After owning a 2004 Toyota Sienna AWD with run-flats for about 8 months before lemoning it, I agree with the run-flat experience. We did have a flat and it was expensive and took 3 days to get a replacement. The service manager at Toyo also said that the tires were only lasting 20K and they are $200+ a pop. When a mfr uses run-flats they eliminate the spare. There is no good reason to do that on an MDX because there is space for it. |
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| carguy1234 |
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Originally posted by Groo
Thought I'd share
The 07 will have as an option the same run flat tire technology as the Honda Odyssey.
Mirrors will have integrated turn signals (not sure if that will be standard or optional)
Another common complaint with the run-flats is lack of winter traction. |
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| carguy1234 |
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Originally posted by JL_SS
After owning a 2004 Toyota Sienna AWD with run-flats for about 8 months before lemoning it, I agree with the run-flat experience. We did have a flat and it was expensive and took 3 days to get a replacement. The service manager at Toyo also said that the tires were only lasting 20K and they are $200+ a pop. When a mfr uses run-flats they eliminate the spare. There is no good reason to do that on an MDX because there is space for it.
My bet is that they are doing it to reduce weight any way they can, to try to compete with Toyota for gas milage. And if it's a hybrid, then the batteries may have taken up the room where the spare would be. |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by carguy1234
My bet is that they are doing it to reduce weight any way they can, to try to compete with Toyota for gas milage. And if it's a hybrid, then the batteries may have taken up the room where the spare would be.
It will be interesting to see what they do given the backlash of Ody touring owners who hate their michelin PAX run-flats. Run-Flats are not ready for everyday drivers yet (in price or availability). |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by carguy1234
Another common complaint with the run-flats is lack of winter traction.
They are essentially designed for sports cars at this time, although we didn't have all that much problem with traction through the NE winter we owned it. |
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| crazymjb |
Anyone know if they will offer PAX? Anyone have any experience with PAX?
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| anjan |
| Isn't that one of the channels on basic cable? I think the programming on it sucks :p |
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| crazymjb |
Yeah the channel sucks...
But...
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| Pierre |
quote:
Originally posted by Groo
Thought I'd share
The 07 will have as an option the same run flat tire technology as the Honda Odyssey.
Mirrors will have integrated turn signals (not sure if that will be standard or optional)
How do you know? |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by crazymjb
Anyone know if they will offer PAX? Anyone have any experience with PAX?
Mike
Search the Ody site for PAX experiences. Honda's PAX implementation uses a Metric tire size so it can not be easily replaced with another tire: Ody Site |
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| vicpai |
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Originally posted by Pierre
How do you know?
k
......I was thinking!! |
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| BLEXV6 |
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Originally posted by JL_SS
After owning a 2004 Toyota Sienna AWD with run-flats for about 8 months before lemoning it, I agree with the run-flat experience. We did have a flat and it was expensive and took 3 days to get a replacement. The service manager at Toyo also said that the tires were only lasting 20K and they are $200+ a pop. When a mfr uses run-flats they eliminate the spare. There is no good reason to do that on an MDX because there is space for it.
Using this logic, the same would go for an Odyssey and Sienna. |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by BLEXV6
Using this logic, the same would go for an Odyssey and Sienna.
There are a lot of people unhappy with both run-flat versions. |
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| Echo2625 |
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Originally posted by Pierre
How do you know?
Just stirring the pot......he doesn't know for sure. |
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| msu79gt82 |
The PAX run flats ARE part of the Tech package for the '06 RL so I suppose they could be an option on the Sport MDX Tim told us about. This is mere speculation by the way.
BTW: The nearly $4000 for Laser Cruise, Collision Brake Mitigation, and PAX is an outrageouos price compared to similar option on Lexus and Infiniti. Acura has priced the RL out of the market :rolleyes: Hopefully they won't do the same with the MDX. |
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| anjan |
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Originally posted by Echo2625
Just stirring the pot......he doesn't know for sure.
Umm. Yeah right! :rolleyes: Just Google for it and you'll see numerous complaints. Consumer Reports mentions it as a downside to Sienna. Matter of fact, go to Yahoo Autos and look into reviews of Sienna. You'll see endless stream of complaints like this one
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What was Toyota thinking when they equipped this vehicle with Run Flat Tires??? I have 39,000 miles on my Sienna and today I purchased the vehicle's 3RD set of tires at a cost of $1,050.00.
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| Pierre |
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Originally posted by anjan
Umm. Yeah right! :rolleyes: Just Google for it and you'll see numerous complaints. Consumer Reports mentions it as a downside to Sienna. Matter of fact, go to Yahoo Autos and look into reviews of Sienna. You'll see endless stream of complaints like this one
anjan, you're quoting a response to another post (mine). I asked how the guy knew about the 2 changes, which the reply was for... |
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| anjan |
| Oops! My bad!! :2: A valid question then :4: |
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| BLEXV6 |
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Originally posted by msu79gt82
The PAX run flats ARE part of the Tech package for the '06 RL so I suppose they could be an option on the Sport MDX Tim told us about. This is mere speculation by the way.
BTW: The nearly $4000 for Laser Cruise, Collision Brake Mitigation, and PAX is an outrageouos price compared to similar option on Lexus and Infiniti. Acura has priced the RL out of the market :rolleyes: Hopefully they won't do the same with the MDX.
I fear the next MDX will be overpriced like the RL. Acura is definately trying to go upscale, like Lexus. The problem is that loyal Acura buyers buy same both because of the vehicle and the price point. I expect the RDX will take over as the less expensive SUV. All you have to look at is the price of the new RL and present price of the new CSX,(which you don't get in the USA). |
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| crazymjb |
I dissagree. The RDX, with ELS, RL nav, Turbo I4, Bi-xenons, and SH-AWD is supposed to be in the 28-32 range.
We would have paid 2K more if our TL had nicer leather, fewer rattles, and better gapped and color matched bumpers/body panels.
So even if it does go up 2-3K, as long as they are able to match the price in quality, I am good.
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| BLEXV6 |
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Originally posted by crazymjb
I dissagree. The RDX, with ELS, RL nav, Turbo I4, Bi-xenons, and SH-AWD is supposed to be in the 28-32 range.
We would have paid 2K more if our TL had nicer leather, fewer rattles, and better gapped and color matched bumpers/body panels.
So even if it does go up 2-3K, as long as they are able to match the price in quality, I am good.
Mike
If thats all we are talking, no big deal. However the RL in Canadian funds went from $55,000 to $70,000, and the CSX from $25,000 to $30,000. This is not a small price increase. If the price you quote for the RDX is right, thats not bad. However is this wishful thinking? |
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| crazymjb |
I am pretty sure that is the naborhood price of the RDX. In the good old USA the prices are going up, slowly, but they definatly are.
Though as someone mentioned, X sales havent been "super," for lack of a better turn, so it is unlikely Acura would release something even 5K more, where I get the idea they released such an expensive RL because they needed a flagship that could actually fight the growing competition.
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| timbrwolf9 |
I see no reason to put run-flats on the MDX. They belong on sports cars where the weight difference of no spare can make a difference, also, where there might not be room for a spare. My old C5 Vette had run-flats on it and that was fine since there was no room for a spare tire without cutting into the trunk space too much.
I like the normal tires the MDX has now and don't miss spending approx. $1400 to change out 4 run-flat tires. |
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| closetobuying05 |
How about "VCM", variable Cylinder Management ? Local Honda rep told me the next yr model Ridgeline '07 should have VCM.
Surely Acura is considering this *unless* they are releasing a true hybrid to compete against Lexus ? |
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| BigHersh |
Aside from run-flats, SH-AWD, etcetera... what they need is the reverse sensing system (standard), or have it all the way around like some models do.. (gs300, GS430, LS430, 745, almost all the Mercedes, etc...
Anyone added this to their MDX aftermarket? |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by closetobuying05
How about "VCM", variable Cylinder Management ? Local Honda rep told me the next yr model Ridgeline '07 should have VCM.
Surely Acura is considering this *unless* they are releasing a true hybrid to compete against Lexus ?
VCM isn't providing any significant mpg improvements in the real world according to many ody and Pilot owners. According to Tim (Hondacuraworld) there is a hybrid model for 2007 (not that a hybrid makes any economical sense). |
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| BigHersh |
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Originally posted by msu79gt82
The PAX run flats ARE part of the Tech package for the '06 RL so I suppose they could be an option on the Sport MDX Tim told us about. This is mere speculation by the way.
BTW: The nearly $4000 for Laser Cruise, Collision Brake Mitigation, and PAX is an outrageouos price compared to similar option on Lexus and Infiniti. Acura has priced the RL out of the market :rolleyes: Hopefully they won't do the same with the MDX.
Yeah, I don't know WTF Acura was thinking with the RL being a hamburger away from $50K. If it had been larger, and packing a V8, then yes- maybe it would have been able to command such a price. But, a techno-packaged V-6; that can't run with the big dogs (LS430, Q45)- or the medium dogs (M35, M45, GS430, GS300)- aside from the badge, what made them think $50 K was an attractive price- even with the content...
It's is that reason alone, why I passed on the RL, and got the MDX instead. |
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| vicpai |
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Originally posted by JL_SS
VCM isn't providing any significant mpg improvements in the real world according to many ody and Pilot owners. According to Tim (Hondacuraworld) there is a hybrid model for 2007 (not that a hybrid makes any economical sense).
.....many Odyssey owners are complaining that VCM is not providing any fuel economy benefits, these same people are to blame for that, not VCM :rolleyes: .
One has to understand that for VCM to provide any tangible benefits, the vehicle has to be able to shut off 3 of it's cylinders.....and it will only do this under "light load" conditions, which means changing habits, and driving in a very "economy minded way".... People are inherently stupid. They'll take off from a stoplight, like a bat out of hell, and race like there's no tomorrow, to get to the next stop light that is just 6 blocks away. I start out very slowly and COAST to the very same stoplight, where these idiots are still waiting there at the red light, just having wasted a ton of fuel for not one second of time gained over me :rolleyes:
The same applies for highway driving. If you're going 80-90mph VCM will not have any benefit most of the time, except maybe if you're going downhill!!....OTOH, cruising at a moderate 60 or 65mph will allow the vehicle to shut off 3 cylinders at least some of the time, thereby enhancing fuel economy!!
Another reason many don't see the benefits of VCM, in the Odyssey, is the fact that, by nature, Minivans are generally carrying a number of people (kids and cargo) a large part of the time, which also does not allow VCM to "kick in" as the vehicle will need all of it's 6 cylinders when fully loaded!!
Bottom line is: you will only realize the benefits of VCM if you drive "real easy". That, in effect, eliminates 99% of the population....and then they wonder why VCM does not "magically" increase their gas mileage :rolleyes:
....and on another note, now that Tim has told us that there will be a Hybrid model, the regular model will DEFINITELY not get VCM. The Hybrid model most likely will!! (just like in the Accord Hybrid)
....Besides that, the benefit of the MDX Hybrid will not be just better fuel economy. It will be a PERFORMANCE HYBRID like the Accord, Lexus RX 400H, GS450H etc. with it's primary purpose being, to offer significantly increased performance (especially TORQUE) over the regular model, while getting slightly better gas mileage, which will be the icing on the cake
I can see an MDX Hybrid doing ZERO TO 60 in about 6 secs!!!!! :2: |
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| BLACK-BLING-MDX |
I was reading this about the "2008" Acura MDX on Edmunds.com under Future Vehicles:
What Edmunds.com Says:With an all-new RDX entering the lineup, the MDX needs to move more upscale to attract Cadillac, Infiniti and Lexus buyers.
What We Know: When it first came out in 2001, the Acura MDX had far fewer competitors to deal with in the light-duty sport-ute market. Now there are half a dozen SUVs with similar traits and Acura doesn't intend to give up easily. In order to keep the MDX competitive, it will introduce a concept version of the all-new MDX at the New York auto show in April. It will retain V6 power and three rows of seats, but the interior will be much more upscale to help it compete with the Lexus RX and Cadillac SRX sport-utes. A production version will go on sale in the spring of 2007.
What happened to the 2007 that was releasing in October/September(ish)? Does Edmunds know something we don't, or do we know something Edmund's doesn't and they are not on the same page as us? |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by vicpai
.....many Odyssey owners are complaining that VCM is not providing any fuel economy benefits, these same people are to blame for that, not VCM :rolleyes: .
One has to understand that for VCM to provide any tangible benefits, the vehicle has to be able to shut off 3 of it's cylinders.....and it will only do this under "light load" conditions, which means changing habits, and driving in a very "economy minded way".... People are inherently stupid. They'll take off from a stoplight, like a bat out of hell, and race like there's no tomorrow, to get to the next stop light that is just 6 blocks away. I start out very slowly and COAST to the very same stoplight, where these idiots are still waiting there at the red light, just having wasted a ton of fuel for not one second of time gained over me :rolleyes:
The same applies for highway driving. If you're going 80-90mph VCM will not have any benefit most of the time, except maybe if you're going downhill!!....OTOH, cruising at a moderate 60 or 65mph will allow the vehicle to shut off 3 cylinders at least some of the time, thereby enhancing fuel economy!!
Another reason many don't see the benefits of VCM, in the Odyssey, is the fact that, by nature, Minivans are generally carrying a number of people (kids and cargo) a large part of the time, which also does not allow VCM to "kick in" as the vehicle will need all of it's 6 cylinders when fully loaded!!
Bottom line is: you will only realize the benefits of VCM if you drive "real easy". That, in effect, eliminates 99% of the population....and then they wonder why VCM does not "magically" increase their gas mileage :rolleyes:
....and on another note, now that Tim has told us that there will be a Hybrid model, the regular model will DEFINITELY not get VCM. The Hybrid model most likely will!! (just like in the Accord Hybrid)
....Besides that, the benefit of the MDX Hybrid will not be just better fuel economy. It will be a PERFORMANCE HYBRID like the Accord, Lexus RX 400H, GS450H etc. with it's primary purpose being, to offer significantly increased performance (especially TORQUE) over the regular model, while getting slightly better gas mileage, which will be the icing on the cake
I can see an MDX Hybrid doing ZERO TO 60 in about 6 secs!!!!! :2:
Pilot mpg: 17/22 - 18/24 (VCM) Ody mpg: 19/25 - 20/28 (VCM)
Yes, I agree that not many people are changing their driving habits. I don't think I would either to get that 1 extra mpg that the VCM provides in city mpg. Around here, cruising at 60-65 mph on the highway is not really option (speed limits are 65) because traffic is going at least 70-75 and you become a rolling roadblock with people tailgating you closely. Then again VCM only provides 2 more mpg at those speeds. I agree that you will get better mileage in general following the guidelines that you list, but VCM does appear to significantly improve the the mpg you will achieve following those same guidelines.
I think the success of the Hybrid will really depend on the price differential. Now that there will be more options for hybrids, people will not be lining up to pay a significant premium like they did with the RX400. |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by ductrinh
Edmunds is not the only one who "knows" this. MotorTrend future vehicle forecast also predicts the redesign to be MY2008:
http://www.motortrend.com/future/sp...es/112_2008fvf/
More time to save those pennies...
Who knows more - speculating magazines or an Acura parts manager who has parts on order for the redesigned 2007 model?
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| crazymjb |
Can anyone verify whether or not the 07 will be at the NYIAS in April?
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| hondacuraworld |
quote:
Originally posted by JL_SS
Who knows more - speculating magazines or an Acura parts manager who has parts on order for the redesigned 2007 model?
Link
I really don't know where these guys are pulling info from. Every model release is the same as it has been for us at the dealership ever since I've been there the past 11 years........the Acura memo clearly says 2007, and I ordered like a bazillion dollars worth of parts :p that are due to show up in September. Beyond that, draw your own conclusions........ |
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| BLACK-BLING-MDX |
So Tim, are you saying that there's no 2007 MDX?
hahaha just kidding!
Any more info would be appreciated!!! |
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| hondacuraworld |
| Time to make a few phone calls....... |
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