| kelli |
| Well I reached out far and wide to find out how to lower the MDX, and had to revert back to the old days of how to lower a car. I used spring compressors and lowered the MDX 2 inches all the way around..Here are some pics..Please excuse the truck being super dirty, it rained today, and didn't have time to wash it... |
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| SuperTech |
Spring compressors? Are these like links that squeze a section of the coils together?
I thought the "old school" way of doing was heating the springs with a torch until they sagged. |
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| kelli |
| Yeah their links, when I said Old school I meant old cars, heating springs is the ghetto way of lowering it because there is not a precise way to make sure each spring is exact IMO, or another ghetto way would be cutting the springs... |
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| SuperTech |
Not exactly the proper way. Now that section of spring that has been "locked" in place really can't do it's job anymore. Which will make it easier to overload the sections of spring that is left to allow travel for absorbing bumps. There are elastomer or rubber jounce bumpers that soften the hit to the body/frame when the suspension bottoms out. Since there is a section of spring that can no longer compress, these jounce bumpers may not be contacted and there will be a harsh jolt (like a hard clunk noise) when it does bottom out.
It looks nice, but as has been said in the past...this vehicle is not meant to be lowered. |
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| highcountrymdx |
kelli-
Great wheel/tires! Just an all 'round good look.
Any plans to replace those 'tiny' brake discs? Kinda looks incomplete with stock discs.
Also, are you going to keep the running boards, now that the X is so much lower? They look a little out of place. Sort of like whitewall tires, and alloy wheels.
Looks like the 'Rule of Unintended Consequences' is alive and well in your driveway. |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by SuperTech
Not exactly the proper way. Now that section of spring that has been "locked" in place really can't do it's job anymore. Which will make it easier to overload the sections of spring that is left to allow travel for absorbing bumps. There are elastomer or rubber jounce bumpers that soften the hit to the body/frame when the suspension bottoms out. Since there is a section of spring that can no longer compress, these jounce bumpers may not be contacted and there will be a harsh jolt (like a hard clunk noise) when it does bottom out.
It looks nice, but as has been said in the past...this vehicle is not meant to be lowered.
Well I didn't post the pics to be chastised, but what can you expect on a forum...lol. Well can you tell me what car is meant to be lowered for argument sake...I guess, EIBACH, TIEN, SPRINT, TOKICO, etc...would not be in business if cars were not meant to be lowered...Look "SUPERTECH" alot of people on here love the OEM look and I'm not knocking that. I like modifying my cars to my liking...I have been taking to Eibach and Sprint to make springs for this truck. so until they make them I will try and make due with what I got.
Just to clarify, The ride has not changed one bit, It still rides the same as it did when I bought it from Acura, even with 35 series tires on it. |
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| kelli |
| I am looking into brakes, but they would need to be willwood or brembo, I have had my fair share of big brakes and they are horrible as far as steering wheel shake because the warp so easy. |
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| HARDROCK |
quote:
Originally posted by kelli
Yeah their links, when I said Old school I meant old cars, heating springs is the ghetto way of lowering it because there is not a precise way to make sure each spring is exact IMO, or another ghetto way would be cutting the springs...
Just so I understand, if HOW a car is lowered can be considered "ghetto", does the fact that you lowered yours make YOU "ghetto"? :wtf: |
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| kelli |
I'm just gonna leave that alone..I'll let all of you MDX owners swap pictures of your OEM MDX's which is super WACK...If I wanted to look at that I can go to the Acura dealership, or better yet, the pictures of look I just waxed it...WHO CARES...I thought this was a car enthusiast site geared towards MDX's I guess I was wrong, this site is all about the oh oh oh look I got a brush guard...look look look I got a cargo net for the back...
SUPER LAME...Please this email is not intended for everyone on this site, there are some cool people on this site, and I have spoke with you before, but this is the ANTI MODIFICATION POST...
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I guess if I was a middle aged man I might understand, but I'm not so oh well..... |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by HARDROCK
Just so I understand, if HOW a car is lowered can be considered "ghetto", does the fact that you lowered yours make YOU "ghetto"? :wtf:
You obviously didn't get the point, the way you lower it is ghetto, thus the heating of the springs, or cutting them... |
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| DWF |
Kelli, I will agreed with your statement of "car enthusiast site geared towards MDX's"
To each his/her own...For the people that don't agreed with something, DON"T reply, it's that simple.
I like the look of your X...How's the ride tho? Too bad you couldn't come up with a after-market kit.
Didn't I read in another post that you were thinking about getting a BMW to replace the X?...Anyway...I like the lower look. |
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| phins2rt |
kelli,
Just a few things...
I'm not sure I see much of a difference between cutting the springs and compressing them as you did. You've still managed to compromise the suspension.
You will get some flack here as one of the benefits of an SUV is the higher seating position but I do like the look of it.
Just curious if you explored the Odyssey H&R springs route. |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by DWF
Kelli, I will agreed with your statement of "car enthusiast site geared towards MDX's"
To each his/her own...For the people that don't agreed with something, DON"T reply, it's that simple.
I like the look of your X...How's the ride tho? Too bad you couldn't come up with a after-market kit.
Didn't I read in another post that you were thinking about getting a BMW to replace the X?...Anyway...I like the lower look.
Thanks!
I decided against it. I am really upside down in the MDX right now, I am really bad about buying new cars every year, so the negative equity has caught up with me...Maybe next year though, I've been on the BMW forums...doing the research on the 5 and 7 series...
Yeah I wish they did make some type of simple kit, but they don't maike much for these Trucks, surprisely, since its a HONDA you would think parts would be falling out of the sky. |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by phins2rt
kelli,
Just a few things...
I'm not sure I see much of a difference between cutting the springs and compressing them as you did. You've still managed to compromise the suspension.
You will get some flack here as one of the benefits of an SUV is the higher seating position but I do like the look of it.
Just curious if you explored the Odyssey H&R springs route.
Yeah well I guess thats why everyone is different in what they want, We did buy the H& R springs and the front fits, but the back is too big. We have talked to Sprint and Eibach and we are trying to get some springs made...but that takes time. |
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| G. COLTON |
quote:
Originally posted by kelli
Well I didn't post the pics to be chastised, but what can you expect on a forum...lol. Well can you tell me what car is meant to be lowered for argument sake...I guess, EIBACH, TIEN, SPRINT, TOKICO, etc...would not be in business if cars were not meant to be lowered...Look "SUPERTECH" alot of people on here love the OEM look and I'm not knocking that. I like modifying my cars to my liking...I have been taking to Eibach and Sprint to make springs for this truck. so until they make them I will try and make due with what I got.
Just to clarify, The ride has not changed one bit, It still rides the same as it did when I bought it from Acura, even with 35 series tires on it.
I think that you are being a little thin skinned. SUPERTECH is not chastising you for doing the lowering, he is commenting on how it was accomplished. And he is correct. There is a proper way to do a job and then there is the incorrect method. You did not choose the best method.
If you are satisfied with the method that you chose, OK.
I would also like to have the seat height of the vehicle lowered by 2 inches because I have a son with Cerebral Palsey and it would be easier for him to enter the vehicle from his wheel chair. However, I have found no method that I would consider satisfactory.
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| mdxx3 |
| So.... kelli, do you have this habit of going over speed bumps and dips on the road at an angle instead of straight on?? Until today I still do the angle thing even my non-modified vehicles. One of my previous vehicle had HKS springs and another had H&R... and they all just don't make anything fun like this for an MDX. No secret here... I like your MDX which is lowered. |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by mdxx3
So.... kelli, do you have this habit of going over speed bumps and dips on the road at an angle instead of straight on?? Until today I still do the angle thing even my non-modified vehicles. One of my previous vehicle had HKS springs and another had H&R... and they all just don't make anything fun like this for an MDX. No secret here... I like your MDX which is lowered.
Thanks!
No I go straight on the speed bumps, I use to do it with my prelude..We do it with the CL, We have the EIBACH suspension kit on it... |
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| gdot |
I like the look! I always wanted to do it to mine, but never got around to it.
I caught the mod bug also and since there aren't any real mods available for the MDX, I got rid of it. So, it looks like you're the only one here on 22's. |
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| Fireblade6 |
So how many inches lower?
My brother and I used to do the ghetto way when we had Integras and Civics and we cut the springs. :O
LOL
It works really well with the camber kit though. |
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| cleanbrain |
| Sweet Rims Kelli. What kind of rims are they? I might have to get some. Do they come in 20's? |
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| SuperTech |
quote:
Originally posted by kelli
Well can you tell me what car is meant to be lowered for argument sake...
A vehicle that has a fully adjustable suspension perhaps?
When lowered, the suspension geometry is designed to increase negative camber when loaded down to maintain a proper tire contact patch under high lateral loads. Just driving all the time like this with exfess negative camber will cause the tires to wear at a drastically higher rate on the inside.
All that can be adjusted on an MDX, as is the case with most Hondas, is the toe in/out. Camber can't be changed unless an aftermarket kit is installed. And last I checked, there is no camber kit for the MDX/Pilot/Ridgeline/Odyssey. Have a nice day. |
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| Henson |
| Wow that is nice man! What size are your wheels and tires? Also what offset? I'm looking into getting some wheels and lower the X a little too. |
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| kelli |
We lowered it 2 inches. The wheels are MB Motoring through Discount Tire, I beleive they do make 20's as well...
The tire size is 265/35/22. NITTO 420's
Believe it or not everyone, it rides the same as it did sitting at factory height, with factory wheels.
My husband is in the industry, and like I have said in many posts we have been talking to Eibach, and Sprint to possibly produce something for the MDX. I will keep everyone posted if they do produce any products for the MDX... |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by SuperTech
A vehicle that has a fully adjustable suspension perhaps?
When lowered, the suspension geometry is designed to increase negative camber when loaded down to maintain a proper tire contact patch under high lateral loads. Just driving all the time like this with exfess negative camber will cause the tires to wear at a drastically higher rate on the inside.
All that can be adjusted on an MDX, as is the case with most Hondas, is the toe in/out. Camber can't be changed unless an aftermarket kit is installed. And last I checked, there is no camber kit for the MDX/Pilot/Ridgeline/Odyssey. Have a nice day.
I understand that you may know alot about vehicles, but just to add my 2 cents,
I have owned Hondas/Acuras for 10 years, Everyone of the have been modified to some extent. All of them have been lowered and I have never installed a camber kit on any of them. I have had coilovers, full suspension kits, etc, and the camber kit was never installed nor did I have excessive tire wear on the tires neither, although you have a good argument with a novice, unfortunately I have been doing this too long... Just remember it is still a Honda...
Oh and and to make matters worse we have a 2001 CL with a full suspension kit, with 20's and no camber kit, and no wear on the 225/35/20's. Can you explain the science on why we do not have any excessive wear.
we can go round and round about this, but I think I have proved my point.
And like someone else said in this post everyone may have their own opinion, I have mine and you have yours...
You have a great day! |
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| Henson |
| Hey i know your wheels are 22's but what's the width and offsets? |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by Henson
Hey i know your wheels are 22's but what's the width and offsets?
http://www.discounttire.com/dtcs/fi...6642&bp=5-114.3
Here is the link to the actual wheel to give you all the specifics on offset, they are 9 inches wide. There is a red MDX on this site that also has the MB Motoring wheels on it.. I believe his are 22's as well.
I bought the chrome finish, and had the center painted the same color as the truck with the blue pearl. So my wheels have a chrome lip... |
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| kelli |
Hey Henson,
How do you like your IS300? Just curious we have been looking at the new IS350 for a 3rd car. |
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| Henson |
| i absolutely loved my is300. especially with the setup i had. A supra 6 spd tranny, built block, custom turbo setup, etc. Those are great cars. I really like the way the new is350 looks. Its also pretty quick stock. |
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| eurohazard |
quote:
Originally posted by kelli
I understand that you may know alot about vehicles, but just to add my 2 cents,
I have owned Hondas/Acuras for 10 years, Everyone of the have been modified to some extent. All of them have been lowered and I have never installed a camber kit on any of them. I have had coilovers, full suspension kits, etc, and the camber kit was never installed nor did I have excessive tire wear on the tires neither, although you have a good argument with a novice, unfortunately I have been doing this too long... Just remember it is still a Honda...
Oh and and to make matters worse we have a 2001 CL with a full suspension kit, with 20's and no camber kit, and no wear on the 225/35/20's. Can you explain the science on why we do not have any excessive wear.
we can go round and round about this, but I think I have proved my point.
And like someone else said in this post everyone may have their own opinion, I have mine and you have yours...
You have a great day!
How long do your tires last? Certainly not 45,000 miles.
I have had 3 lowered Hondas before. 1996 Civic hatch w/ Jamex struts and springs......only lowered about 1.75 inches. I later decided to buy a camber correction kit for it just for piece of mind..........but my tires were wearing a little bit more on the inside part of the tire (due to excessive negative camber). When I installed an Ingalls camber correction kit, I eye balled the camber to 0 degrees. But after I did so, the Toe was out by a lot! So I had to drive it directly to an alignment shop. And once the toe was fixed...........the car felt PEREFCT. It had none of the dartiness it had before.
I also had a 1997 CR-V. I lowered it with 4" sleeve coilovers, plus I cut the bumpstops. The front camber went to maybe negative 1.......so I wasn't too concerned. But the rears went crazy! It had to have like negative 4 degrees! I never did get the rear camber done, but the previous owner did do it.......because the tires wer wearing on the insides.
So I obviously think SuperTech's approach is quite conservative.................but yours (kelli) is not entirely correct. I know lots of people also who claim Hondas don't need camber correction..............but 9 times out of 10, these are the folks that get new wheels/tires ever year or 2. So they never have to worry about long term tire wear. |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by Henson
i absolutely loved my is300. especially with the setup i had. A supra 6 spd tranny, built block, custom turbo setup, etc. Those are great cars. I really like the way the new is350 looks. Its also pretty quick stock.
yeah we test drove one...I was very impressed. I want to get a white one, and but white wheels on it...I haven't looked too much into it as far as adding a turbo or anything, not sure if they are bullet proof or not... |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by eurohazard
How long do your tires last? Certainly not 45,000 miles.
I have had 3 lowered Hondas before. 1996 Civic hatch w/ Jamex struts and springs......only lowered about 1.75 inches. I later decided to buy a camber correction kit for it just for piece of mind..........but my tires were wearing a little bit more on the inside part of the tire (due to excessive negative camber). When I installed an Ingalls camber correction kit, I eye balled the camber to 0 degrees. But after I did so, the Toe was out by a lot! So I had to drive it directly to an alignment shop. And once the toe was fixed...........the car felt PEREFCT. It had none of the dartiness it had before.
I also had a 1997 CR-V. I lowered it with 4" sleeve coilovers, plus I cut the bumpstops. The front camber went to maybe negative 1.......so I wasn't too concerned. But the rears went crazy! It had to have like negative 4 degrees! I never did get the rear camber done, but the previous owner did do it.......because the tires wer wearing on the insides.
So I obviously think SuperTech's approach is quite conservative.................but yours (kelli) is not entirely correct. I know lots of people also who claim Hondas don't need camber correction..............but 9 times out of 10, these are the folks that get new wheels/tires ever year or 2. So they never have to worry about long term tire wear.
I bought the wheels and tires in July of last year, I drive 100 miles each day to and from work. That is 2000 month, plus trips and weekend around ATL, and if you live or have been to ATl, nothing is a mile down the road...ugh! lol I am going on 25,000 miles right now with the initial set of tires. As you can see from the pic the tread is pretty thick right now...I lowered it Monday, and had it aligned Tuesday, but like I said before I have never had a problem...The CL goes 140 miles round trip each day, My husband has a good 30,000 miles on the 20's. I understand your point, but don't totally agree. |
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| Fireblade6 |
quote:
Originally posted by kelli
Hey Henson,
How do you like your IS300? Just curious we have been looking at the new IS350 for a 3rd car.
Kelli-
the IS350 is a completely different car. At 300 HP with a wider wheelbase and much upgraded platform and technologies...The IS350 is you can say...a "sleeper."
Another words...I wouldn't take a BMW 330 and race it. The beemer will lose!
I just bought one for my girlfriend's daughter. I regret it now....I worry everytime my girlfriend's daughter drive it to school and back to the house or go out with her friends...I'm afraid she may kill herself in it...And the thought of prying that IS350 sports sedan away from her is like telling her she needs to dump her boyfriend. LOL
It is everything that its crack up to be...the only thing I caution though is: It is not a car for tall people, it is not a car for people seeking super luxury, it is not a car for the faint of heart either.... |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by Fireblade6
Kelli-
the IS350 is a completely different car. At 300 HP with a wider wheelbase and much upgraded platform and technologies...The IS350 is you can say...a "sleeper."
Another words...I wouldn't take a BMW 330 and race it. The beemer will lose!
I just bought one for my girlfriend's daughter. I regret it now....I worry everytime my girlfriend's daughter drive it to school and back to the house or go out with her friends...I'm afraid she may kill herself in it...And the thought of prying that IS350 sports sedan away from her is like telling her she needs to dump her boyfriend. LOL
It is everything that its crack up to be...the only thing I caution though is: It is not a car for tall people, it is not a car for people seeking super luxury, it is not a car for the faint of heart either....
Yeah we looked at the TSX first, then went to the IS350...Um yeah no comparison whatsoever...not to knock Acura of course, but for the price Lexus has outdone themselves..Its pretty roomy though.... I LOVE IT:2: :2: :2: :2: |
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| Henson |
| Kelli you can get a lot of info about the IS on the is300.net forum. I'm a memeber of that forum too. My user name on there is goldaltezza808. Anyways I can't stop looking at the pics of your X |
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| Henson |
| Ever tried looking at springs from a nissan? Maybe an older altima? I know their springs are big too but there could be a chance of them being the same size as the rear of the mdx springs. I dunno though. |
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| SuperTech |
quote:
Originally posted by kelli
Oh and and to make matters worse we have a 2001 CL with a full suspension kit, with 20's and no camber kit, and no wear on the 225/35/20's. Can you explain the science on why we do not have any excessive wear.
And like someone else said in this post everyone may have their own opinion, I have mine and you have yours...
There's opinions, and then there's facts. This is an example of a fact...
quote:
Originally posted by SuperTech
When lowered, the suspension geometry is designed to increase negative camber when loaded down to maintain a proper tire contact patch under high lateral loads. Just driving all the time like this with exfess negative camber will cause the tires to wear at a drastically higher rate on the inside.
All that can be adjusted on an MDX, as is the case with most Hondas, is the toe in/out. Camber can't be changed unless an aftermarket kit is installed. And last I checked, there is no camber kit for the MDX/Pilot/Ridgeline/Odyssey.
This is an example of an opinion...
It looks nice, but I don't think it's worth the side effects.
I can explain your tires not having inner wear. Some shops will add some toe in when the re-align the vehicle after lowering to compensate. On a car with normal ride height, excess toe in will wear the outside of the tires. So by toeing in a lowered car, they're offsetting the inner/outer wear. But. And there is a but. Because the tires aren't as parallel as they should be, they are scrubbing. Which shortens the life of the tire. A totally stock tire might last 50k miles for a certain driver...take the same driver and car, lower and toe in...and it may only last 25k miles.
There's always a compromise to be made when lowering. You may have seen a handful of your own cars, by pool of knowledge comes from over a decade of seeing thousands of cars. I have heard the same things I just told you from engineers and instructors at none other than American Honda. So needless to say, I think I can do just a little more than just make a good argument with novices. |
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| Fireblade6 |
quote:
Originally posted by SuperTech
There's opinions, and then there's facts. This is an example of a fact...
This is an example of an opinion...
It looks nice, but I don't think it's worth the side effects.
I can explain your tires not having inner wear. Some shops will add some toe in when the re-align the vehicle after lowering to compensate. On a car with normal ride height, excess toe in will wear the outside of the tires. So by toeing in a lowered car, they're offsetting the inner/outer wear. But. And there is a but. Because the tires aren't as parallel as they should be, they are scrubbing. Which shortens the life of the tire. A totally stock tire might last 50k miles for a certain driver...take the same driver and car, lower and toe in...and it may only last 25k miles.
There's always a compromise to be made when lowering. You may have seen a handful of your own cars, by pool of knowledge comes from over a decade of seeing thousands of cars. I have heard the same things I just told you from engineers and instructors at none other than American Honda. So needless to say, I think I can do just a little more than just make a good argument with novices.
For an auto technician....you sure write well. This is a compliment.;) |
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| kelli |
| Just an update for those of you worrying about the wear on the tires. I have had it lowered for approx 3 weeks, and there has not been any abnormal wear on the tires. |
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| SuperTech |
| Just an update for those who know better and would rather worry about other things...the new Dr. Pepper Berries & Cream is actually pretty decent. |
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| crmsnidol |
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Originally posted by SuperTech
Just an update for those who know better and would rather worry about other things...the new Dr. Pepper Berries & Cream is actually pretty decent.
Yeah! I tried some at work last week. The taste is subtle but very good. |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by SuperTech
Just an update for those who know better and would rather worry about other things...the new Dr. Pepper Berries & Cream is actually pretty decent.
Wow you are incredible...Do you not get enough sex in your life to make you so confrontational? or did you just get your ASE certification cape and your trying to show it off...hey SuperTech...did you get the memo, you are Superlame...
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| gdot |
quote:
Originally posted by SuperTech
Just an update for those who know better and would rather worry about other things...the new Dr. Pepper Berries & Cream is actually pretty decent.
This is exactly why I don't come to this board very often anymore. It used to be informative for people who cared about their MDX, but people like this just ruin it.
Who really knows if you're a real tech anyway? You seem to post quite often to be somebody who's supposedly working on cars all day. |
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| dj-mdx2 |
quote:
Originally posted by kelli
Do you not get enough sex in your life to make you so confrontational?
I don't know...there's so many hoses and gadgets and all kinds of fluids in them service areas, plus some sweaty tough guy types. Who knows what really goes on back there? :D :D :D |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by gdot
This is exactly why I don't come to this board very often anymore. It used to be informative for people who cared about their MDX, but people like this just ruin it.
Who really knows if you're a real tech anyway? You seem to post quite often to be somebody who's supposedly working on cars all day.
Amen... |
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| SuperTech |
You giving us all an "update" on the condition of your tires after only three weeks is going to prove nothing other than you're felings are hurt that I don't like what you did to your car. Unless you've been taking a whole bunch of reeaaallly long trips recently, three weeks of tire wear isn't something you'd see. Try running your mouth again after you put about 10k miles on.
And yeah...you all caught me. I'm not a real technician. I just love coming to a site that's dedicated to a SUV that I don't own because it's just such a fascinating vehicle. :rolleyes: |
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| Warzau |
Enough with the personal attacks next one and this thread gets shut down, damn it enough whining.
Now onto Kelli if you don't like criticism understand anywhere you post anything you will get criticism on the internet. It just the nature of the beast. |
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| kelli |
I have dismissed the critics, and this is not an attack on anyone.
My mileage in the past 3 weeks
300 miles each week for the commute to and from work. ( 3 weeks)
trip to FL 600 miles round trip
Weekend around town, if you have ever lived in Atlanta, nothing is just a mile away. so 75-100 miles per weekend...( approx 300 miles)
So to sum it up, I have traveled around 1800 miles in the past 3 weeks.
I don't feel that there will be an issue with excessive wear, but I will continue to monitor it, and for the enthusiast that are interested I will post on this site for those that are interested in modifying their MDX, like I said in the past I am working with Eibach and other suspension companies to try to talk them into making something for the MDX, I will keep everyone posted.
Thanks for the positive comments!
k |
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| shootist |
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Originally posted by kelli
Thanks for the positive comments!
k
How about the negative ones, too? That would make you a stronger person. |
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| kelli |
| Well no one will ever know how the tires will wear any longer..I traded it in on a 06 TL last night...I've wanted a new car for a while and just drove by and picked it up....The MDX was a good car, but the TL is soooooo nice.. |
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| HARDROCK |
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Originally posted by kelli
Well no one will ever know how the tires will wear any longer..I traded it in on a 06 TL last night...
Except the poor sucker who buys it... |
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| kelli |
quote:
Originally posted by HARDROCK
Except the poor sucker who buys it...
No love on this site whatsoever, oh well what can you do...No I took everything off and returned the truck to stock trim...The wheels are in the garage...:rolleyes: :banghead: :banghead: |
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| gdot |
quote:
Originally posted by kelli
Well no one will ever know how the tires will wear any longer..I traded it in on a 06 TL last night...I've wanted a new car for a while and just drove by and picked it up....The MDX was a good car, but the TL is soooooo nice..
Well, that's another way to lower it :) Congrats on the TL.
Time to get the credit cards out, if you're like me, you'll be modding it in no time. |
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| kelli |
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Originally posted by gdot
Well, that's another way to lower it :) Congrats on the TL.
Time to get the credit cards out, if you're like me, you'll be modding it in no time.
Yeah the wheels are already on order 20x8.5 in the front, 20x10 in the rear, tein suspension or eibach not sure yet...system will be installed this weekend, just the box and amp from the MDX nothing special...I want the lip kit too...I'm so excited, so much you can do to these cars |
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| gdot |
Nice. What wheels did you order? Be sure to post some pics.
I'm doing the same thing with my GS. I should have my Tein CS coilovers by the end of the month and some staggered 20's in the summer. |
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| kelli |
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Originally posted by gdot
Nice. What wheels did you order? Be sure to post some pics.
I'm doing the same thing with my GS. I should have my Tein CS coilovers by the end of the month and some staggered 20's in the summer.
I went with some RonJon wheels...chrome... |
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| eurohazard |
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Originally posted by kelli
Yeah the wheels are already on order 20x8.5 in the front, 20x10 in the rear, tein suspension or eibach not sure yet...system will be installed this weekend, just the box and amp from the MDX nothing special...I want the lip kit too...I'm so excited, so much you can do to these cars
Are you seriously going to put 1.5" wider-than-the-front wheels on the rear of your TL?
10" is massive. Good luck with that! |
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| Henson |
| Yea the TL is a very nice car. I'm thinkin about getting another car soon too. The X has too little power for me (still keeping it though). Haha. Maybe get me another is300 and turbo again. ;) |
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| DWF |
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Originally posted by kelli
No love on this site whatsoever, oh well what can you do...No I took everything off and returned the truck to stock trim...The wheels are in the garage...:rolleyes: :banghead: :banghead:
Congratulations on the TL...You may or may not be posting here on the X forum in the future but please post a picture of you new ride once to get it fixed up the way you want. I for one have come to appreciate your post on what you were doing to your X. not everyone need to agree with what and how you are doing it. I loved that someone was willing to invest their hard earned $$ into it. It gave me a chance to see what can and cannot be done without spending the first dime. Opinions are just like assh@#$'s...everyone has one! have fun with the new ride.:2: |
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| kelli |
Thanks!
Staggered offset is the way to go on the TL to look aggressive, IMO Yall can check them out on acurazine.com, not to promote another forum, but lots of pics over there..lots of enthusiasts...
I love it so far, 2 days into owning it haha...alot of power for a sedan...I'll keep yall posted on the TL mods, and also the CL mods, we should be turbo charging it in the near future as well... |
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| SuperTech |
| I would seriously love to see how a turbo kit goes on that engine. Since it has pre-cats bolted directly to the heads, and little room underneath, I really wonder where a turbo or two will go. |
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| eurohazard |
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Originally posted by kelli
Thanks!
Staggered offset is the way to go on the TL to look aggressive, IMO Yall can check them out on acurazine.com, not to promote another forum, but lots of pics over there..lots of enthusiasts...
I love it so far, 2 days into owning it haha...alot of power for a sedan...I'll keep yall posted on the TL mods, and also the CL mods, we should be turbo charging it in the near future as well...
Speaking of acurazine......i very quickly came across this thread http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136666
It involves a wheels rubbing with only 7.5" wheels. Like I said, good luck with 10 inch wide steam rollers.
There are few people claiming to have 9.5" rears though, and say they don't rub. They are running a +38 offset. |
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| SuperTech |
The stock '04-up TL wheel is 8" wide already. So 7.5" would be no problem I think. There does have to be a pretty good offset though and that's just to clear the big Brembo caliper on the 6-speed cars.
A lowered '06 TL with 10" rims...that is going to rub somewhere. Not to mention the poor power steering pump is going to get overworked. The pump has been somewhat of problem in a few new TLs I've seen so far. And guess what...one of them was lowered with aftermarket wheels and tires on it. |
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| kelli |
There is a Black TL on Acurazine.com with 10's in the back...and to answer your question Supertech with the Turbo on the CL, you can also check out Acurazine, there is a silver 2003, with a turbo 480 to the wheels I have seen this one in person. very nice set up and car...and there is also a blue one that is turbo charged. not sure of the numbers it is producing...
I am holding off on the wheels for now, we cancelled the order, I want to do somemore investigating on what would look best maybe 8.5 or 9...still researching it... |
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| SuperTech |
| The '03 CL uses the older J32 engine. An engine that you can actually put headers or turbo manifolds on since it has real exhaust manifolds to begin with. The new TL has cats bolted directly to the heads. Unless it's a single turbo that will pretty much have to go in place of the main cat, there's no rom for a turbo kit. |
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| kelli |
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Originally posted by SuperTech
The '03 CL uses the older J32 engine. An engine that you can actually put headers or turbo manifolds on since it has real exhaust manifolds to begin with. The new TL has cats bolted directly to the heads. Unless it's a single turbo that will pretty much have to go in place of the main cat, there's no rom for a turbo kit.
I just read my post from friday and did not clarify which car we are turbo charging...ooppss! We are turbo charging the CL, not the TL...sorry for the confusion, thats why I kept referring to the CL being turbo charged... |
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| kelli |
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Originally posted by eurohazard
Speaking of acurazine......i very quickly came across this thread http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136666
It involves a wheels rubbing with only 7.5" wheels. Like I said, good luck with 10 inch wide steam rollers.
There are few people claiming to have 9.5" rears though, and say they don't rub. They are running a +38 offset.
That is a 2nd gen TL, not the new body style, like Supertech said they come with 8's stock... |
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| eurohazard |
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Originally posted by kelli
That is a 2nd gen TL, not the new body style, like Supertech said they come with 8's stock...
Gotcha! I usually catch stuff like that, but missed it. :rolleyes:
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| Henson |
| Hmmm who needs cats when you turbo anyways? Cats melt down from turbos. I'm sure turbocharging a TL wouldn't be hard at all. Can't wait to see it turboed. What type of management you gonna run? You're probably gonna have to do the sprark plug fouler mod to the o2's cause if its like the multiplex ecu the rsx has, the ecu will probably go into limp mode. |
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| Henson |
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Originally posted by SuperTech
I would seriously love to see how a turbo kit goes on that engine. Since it has pre-cats bolted directly to the heads, and little room underneath, I really wonder where a turbo or two will go.
Hmm I don't understand what you mean by "pre-cats bolted directly to the head". Never seen any cats bolted to the "head" before. Or do you mean pre cats on the exhaust manifold? If you mean on the manifold, then like I said, who needs cats when you go turbo? With the is300 and the n/a supra vvti, the turbo manifolds completely eliminate the pre cats. Just bolt the turbo to the manifold the out of the turbo is the downpipe with no cats (which robs you of horespower anyways). Anyways what I'm sayin is just cause there are pre cats on the oem exhaust manifold, it doesn't make turbocharging the car any different than doing it to one without precats. Haha but I could be wrong cause I've never looked at that motor before. I usually build, do custom turbo setups, and tune the 2jz supra/is300 motors ;) |
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| Henson |
| Oh and for the 10 inch wheels. Just make sure you have the right offset and I'm sure you're gonna have to do the stretch tire look and run some 255 or even 245 on those 10's to clear. Also camber has something to do with it too. |
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| SuperTech |
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Originally posted by Henson
Hmm I don't understand what you mean by "pre-cats bolted directly to the head". Never seen any cats bolted to the "head" before.
Haha but I could be wrong cause I've never looked at that motor before.
It sounds exactly as it reads. Go have a look at a new TL, RL, or newer MDX. |
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| Henson |
| Ah gotcha. I gotta take a look at that |
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| zeke |
Kelli,
99.9% of the X's you see rollin' on the streets are completely stock with the exception of some bike racks, wooden beaded seat covers or some window tint. Yours is the first X I've seen lowered. What you have done takes cojones and some experimentation. To help us XerS improve on your great idea I've begun to experiment with 2-stage aftermarket Camero spings with 2 inch rear and 1. 5 inch front drops. I'll let you know what happens.
Z |
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| YRAGAT |
| Did lowering it affect the caster or camber?You might want to consider getting it checked,if it's out it will waer tires out real fast,and 22's dont come cheap! |
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| dj-mdx2 |
| Isn't this part of the reason kelli is selling them? |
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| kelli |
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Originally posted by YRAGAT
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