| jjnv |
I got a slow leak on my rear passenger side tire. While I try to figure out where to go get it fixed. I found that Good year requires you to rotate tires every 6k miles to honor the warranty.
I used to buy all my tires from Costco where I can get free flat fix, rotation and balance. They mess up very often though. I live in Northern Virginia where there is no discount tires.
Where and how often do you get your tires roated/balanced? I have free oil change at my dealer. But they want $29.99 for rotate tires and $24 for fix flat. Should I get it done there? I guess it is the easiest. |
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| G. COLTON |
Rotating the wheels is a necessity. If you do not rotate you suffer the consequence of any slight uneven wear pattern becoming a major uneven wear problem. Rotating keeps these minor problems from becoming major. It is rare for a vehicle to have such a perfect suspension that there is no uneven wear.
Balancing is only required if there is a problem.
As far as where to get the job accomplished, only you can determine that. Just shop around until you find the best price.
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| Echo2625 |
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Originally posted by jjnv
I got a slow leak on my rear passenger side tire. While I try to figure out where to go get it fixed. I found that Good year requires you to rotate tires every 6k miles to honor the warranty.
I used to buy all my tires from Costco where I can get free flat fix, rotation and balance. They mess up very often though. I live in Northern Virginia where there is no discount tires.
Where and how often do you get your tires roated/balanced? I have free oil change at my dealer. But they want $29.99 for rotate tires and $24 for fix flat. Should I get it done there? I guess it is the easiest.
Goodyear company owned stores will rotate your Goodyear tires for free. You can also buy a package for around $30 to $40 that includes balancing for the life of the tires. |
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| JeffK |
There are many posts on the subject of rotating tires.
Here is my $.02:
I have a tire gauge and periodically, every other month, monitor tread wear. If everything is OK, even wear on all four tires, no uneven wear on inside vs. outside, center vs. outside, I do nothing.
That is right, I do not bother to rotate the tires!
If there is more wear on the front than the rear, or vice versa, I make the following decision: How long do I expect to keep the car?
If for a long time, then all four tires will have to be replaced, so I rotate - this will give the longest life for all four tires. But, if for a short time, then I will not rotate, but just change the worn set.
So you have to decide: If you plan to change all four tires, then rotate. If just a set, do not.
I know this is contrary to what most will do, but before everyone jumps on me, think about what I am saying: It is cheaper to replace two tires than to replace 4 tires!
So if you have 30,000 miles left on the rear and only 15,000 on the front, but only plan to keep the car two years and you average 12,000 miles per year, if you rotate, within two years you will have to replace all 4 tires, but if you do not, then you will have to place only the front two tires!
But not rotating you save the cost of two tires!
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| G. COLTON |
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Originally posted by JeffK
There are many posts on the subject of rotating tires.
Here is my $.02:
I have a tire gauge and periodically, every other month, monitor tread wear. If everything is OK, even wear on all four tires, no uneven wear on inside vs. outside, center vs. outside, I do nothing.
That is right, I do not bother to rotate the tires!
If there is more wear on the front than the rear, or vice versa, I make the following decision: How long do I expect to keep the car?
If for a long time, then all four tires will have to be replaced, so I rotate - this will give the longest life for all four tires. But, if for a short time, then I will not rotate, but just change the worn set.
So you have to decide: If you plan to change all four tires, then rotate. If just a set, do not.
I know this is contrary to what most will do, but before everyone jumps on me, think about what I am saying: It is cheaper to replace two tires than to replace 4 tires!
So if you have 30,000 miles left on the rear and only 15,000 on the front, but only plan to keep the car two years and you average 12,000 miles per year, if you rotate, within two years you will have to replace all 4 tires, but if you do not, then you will have to place only the front two tires!
But not rotating you save the cost of two tires!
JeffK
Actually what you are doing is replacing two tires twice as often. Therefore in the long range the cost is the same. It also assumes that you also have the extra wear problem on only two tires.
Wear patterns are not necessarily even between axels and between wheels. A tire mounted in one location may have a different wear pattern that a tire mounted in a different location. By rotating you even out the wear.
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| JeffK |
Dear G Colton:
You posted:
"Actually what you are doing is replacing two tires twice as often. Therefore in the long range the cost is the same. It also assumes that you also have the extra wear problem on only two tires."
Actually the cost is one half - not the same!
Perhaps you did not understand my post. Normally on a front wheel drive the front tires wear faster than the rear - vice versa for RWD.
I am not speaking of uneven wear, but normal wear.
Now, for example, the front tires may last 30,000 while the rear tires may last 60,000 miles. If you plan to keep the car for less than 60,000 miles, then only the front tires will need to be replaced.
If you rotate, then before you reach 60,000 miles you will have to replace all four tires.
Again, 2 tires are cheaper than 4.
Of course, if you plan to keep the car beyond 60,000, then better to rotate and have four new tires!
As you all know I lease, and keep the car less than 48,000 miles. So I do not rotate. In fact my GY Integrity, at 44,000 miles, have plenty of tread left - and I have not rotated and they are wearing evenly!
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| G. COLTON |
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Originally posted by JeffK
Dear G Colton:
You posted:
"Actually what you are doing is replacing two tires twice as often. Therefore in the long range the cost is the same. It also assumes that you also have the extra wear problem on only two tires."
Actually the cost is one half - not the same!
Perhaps you did not understand my post. Normally on a front wheel drive the front tires wear faster than the rear - vice versa for RWD.
I am not speaking of uneven wear, but normal wear.
Now, for example, the front tires may last 30,000 while the rear tires may last 60,000 miles. If you plan to keep the car for less than 60,000 miles, then only the front tires will need to be replaced.
If you rotate, then before you reach 60,000 miles you will have to replace all four tires.
Again, 2 tires are cheaper than 4.
Of course, if you plan to keep the car beyond 60,000, then better to rotate and have four new tires!
As you all know I lease, and keep the car less than 48,000 miles. So I do not rotate. In fact my GY Integrity, at 44,000 miles, have plenty of tread left - and I have not rotated and they are wearing evenly!
JeffK
I guess I did not understand your post. However, you have now brought out even more questions/lack of understanding.
I have very limited experience of front wheel drive vehicles. The MDX is my first.
On rear wheel drive vehicles the rear tires DO NOT wear faster than the front tires unless you are a very heavy footed driver driver and tend to spin the the wheels. As a matter of fact you will find out that if there is any difference that it is the front tires on a rear drive vehicle that tend to get the most wear.
Wheels are rotated to equalize the wear patterns of all tires regardless of whether the wear pattern is from normal usage or from a suspension problem.
Regardless, it is best to rotate all four wheel and have essentially equal wear. This will also enable you to keep four tires on the road that have equal driving characteristics.
I suggest that you go to an experienced tire man at one of the stores in your town and have him show you actual tires and explain to you the mechanics of whatis happening.
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| jjnv |
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Originally posted by Echo2625
Goodyear company owned stores will rotate your Goodyear tires for free. You can also buy a package for around $30 to $40 that includes balancing for the life of the tires.
Thanks a lot for this information! I called the closest goodyear shop. They do sell a program that covers life time roation and balance for $11.95 per tire. But they charge over $30 for fixing a flat. |
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| JeffK |
Dear G. Colton:
I suspect we are of the same vintage - I started driving in the '50s.
My experience is totally different from yours: All my rear wheel drive cars showed much greater wear in the rear than the front - whether they were bias or radial ply tires.
Similarly, starting with my 1974 (or about that year) Oldsmobile Tornado, front wheel drive, all my front wheel drive cars have shown greater wear on the front as compared to the rear.
In those ancient days, you were extremely lucky to get even 20,000 miles out of a bias ply tire.
The extreme wear on the rear compared to the front was the primary reason for rotation!
I remember going through a set of summer rear tires, winter rear tires, before the front tires wore out!
Again, whether tire rotation is economically reasonable, aside from the time inconvenience, I submit, depends on how many miles you plan to drive.
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| G. COLTON |
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Originally posted by JeffK
Dear G. Colton:
I suspect we are of the same vintage - I started driving in the '50s.
My experience is totally different from yours: All my rear wheel drive cars showed much greater wear in the rear than the front - whether they were bias or radial ply tires.
Similarly, starting with my 1974 (or about that year) Oldsmobile Tornado, front wheel drive, all my front wheel drive cars have shown greater wear on the front as compared to the rear.
In those ancient days, you were extremely lucky to get even 20,000 miles out of a bias ply tire.
The extreme wear on the rear compared to the front was the primary reason for rotation!
I remember going through a set of summer rear tires, winter rear tires, before the front tires wore out!
Again, whether tire rotation is economically reasonable, aside from the time inconvenience, I submit, depends on how many miles you plan to drive.
JefK
Hi Jeff. Yes we did start driving in same era. I got my liscense in 1952.
On the rear wheel drive vehicles what I am saying is not based on experience: it is based on the actual wear on rear wheel drive vehicles. Just ask any tire expert. The front tires are always (with your exception and some others because of rear wheel geometry problems) the ones that get the greatest wear.
Here http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret...3¤tpage=4 is a good article to explain the benefits or four (or 5 is available) tire rotation.
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