| jcmax |
In your opinion, what are the major competitors of MDX?
RX350? JEEP Grand Cherokee Limited? 4Runner Limited? Volvo XC90?...
Any comparison among those cars?
Thanks. |
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| dj-mdx2 |
Not to turn you off, but I believe the search function will help you find the opinions you seek.
If you're looking for side-by-side comparisons for just the features, you can use edmunds.com and similar sites.
Just to keep the comparison fair, you probably should include 3-row 7-passenger SUVs in the lineup. Here's mine: the MDX's major competitor is its Honda twin, the Pilot. Among the semi- and luxury SUVs, the Audi Q7, the GL4xx and the XC90 come to mind. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by jcmax
In your opinion, what are the major competitors of MDX?
RX350? JEEP Grand Cherokee Limited? 4Runner Limited? Volvo XC90?...
Any comparison among those cars?
Thanks.
I think the better question is what is your criteria ? Do you need AWD ? Do you need the 3rd row seats ? Will you do any serious off-roading ? Is utility more important or sportiness or luxury ? Since 2001 there have been many entries into the midsized SUV arena, so you should narrow your focus on what attributes you need to have, would like to have and could do w/out. Good luck . . .
PS - you should add the X5, ML & GX470 to your list . . . |
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| teton |
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Originally posted by jcmax
In your opinion, what are the major competitors of MDX?
RX350? JEEP Grand Cherokee Limited? 4Runner Limited? Volvo XC90?...
We've hit this topic before a few times I can remember:
RX350 - YES
JEEP Grand Cherokee Limited - NO
4Runner Limited -- NO
Volvo XC90 -- YES
MDX is a car based SUV with 7 seats, so I think valid competitors are:
1. Honda Pilot
2. Volvo XC 90
3. Mazda CX7
4. Subaru Tribeca
5. Toyota Highlander
6. Lexus RX350
7. BMW X5 3.0
8. MB ML320
-Teton
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| SilveradoMDX |
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Originally posted by teton
We've hit this topic before a few times I can remember:
RX350 - YES
JEEP Grand Cherokee Limited - NO
4Runner Limited -- NO
Volvo XC90 -- YES
MDX is a car based SUV with 7 seats, so I think valid competitors are:
1. Honda Pilot
2. Volvo XC 90
3. Mazda CX7
4. Subaru Tribeca
5. Toyota Highlander
6. Lexus RX350
7. BMW X5 3.0
8. MB ML320
-Teton
-Teton
Your valid competitiors is strongly agreeable. But-
The MDX is a crossover... A truck based, but not a true truck. It just drive like a full size sedan, which makes it a crossover SUV. |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by SilveradoMDX
Your valid competitiors is strongly agreeable. But-
The MDX is a crossover... A truck based, but not a true truck. It just drive like a full size sedan, which makes it a crossover SUV.
Not sure what your point is here.........most people cross shop all similiar sized SUV's and decide what features are important to them. Being a crossover is just another feature. Also a lot of the crossovers are based on manfacturers car platforms, not their truck platforms. The MDX was designed from the Odyssey platform - which originated from the Accord platform. I would disagree that they drive just like a full size sedan also - their center of gravity is much higher and they handle much differently. |
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| SilveradoMDX |
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Originally posted by JL_SS
Not sure what your point is here.........most people cross shop all SUV's and decide what features are important to them. Being a crossover is just another feature. Also a lot of the crossovers are based on manfacturers car platforms, not their truck platforms. The MDX was designed from the Odyssey platform - which originated from the Accord platform. I would disagree that they drive just like a full size sedan also - their center of gravity is much higher and they handle much differently.
Well taken, didn't know about its history. Now I know. Thanks. |
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| jvega |
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Originally posted by JL_SS
Not sure what your point is here.........most people cross shop all similiar sized SUV's and decide what features are important to them. Being a crossover is just another feature. Also a lot of the crossovers are based on manfacturers car platforms, not their truck platforms. The MDX was designed from the Odyssey platform - which originated from the Accord platform. I would disagree that they drive just like a full size sedan also - their center of gravity is much higher and they handle much differently.
I think what he meant was car or minivan base just cross reference as a "crossover" suv. I do agree the MDX feels like a "car/station wagon" base, though lets not forget, its an SUV platform. |
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| teton |
I think when people shop for SUV there are some basic questions that need to be answered. For example:
1. Need true off road capability?
2. Load capacity? Towing capacity?
3. Gas mileage?
4. Smooth ride?
5. Vehicle size.
6. On road performance, handling.
These basic questions and compromises will lead you to either the Truck based camp or the Crossover camp.
From there you can cross shop everything in the category.
Of course you can compare everything to everything else, but it's not a very good comparison since there are drastic trade-offs between the 2 camps. I suspect there will be more and more models in the Crossover camp since you get practical features, unless you are in the minority that will use your SUV to actually drive in Mud or tow 8000 lbs of stuff.
-Teton |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by teton
I think when people shop for SUV there are some basic questions that need to be answered. For example:
1. Need true off road capability?
2. Load capacity? Towing capacity?
3. Gas mileage?
4. Smooth ride?
5. Vehicle size.
6. On road performance, handling.
These basic questions and compromises will lead you to either the Truck based camp or the Crossover camp.
From there you can cross shop everything in the category.
Of course you can compare everything to everything else, but it's not a very good comparison since there are drastic trade-offs between the 2 camps. I suspect there will be more and more models in the Crossover camp since you get practical features, unless you are in the minority that will use your SUV to actually drive in Mud or tow 8000 lbs of stuff.
-Teton
That is the absolutely right way to buy an SUV and I agree with you 100%. However, there is a very large subset of people who simply will not approach it analytically. Some will buy an SUV just because it has a BMW, Lexus, or Merc badge - and they will buy the truck based LX or GX over the RX simply because it cost more and is considered more prestigous - not because they need to tow or go off-road. How many Escalades do you see blinged out that will never be used to tow or go anywhere near off road? Most of the people I see in Escalades would be better off in an MDX because the ride is more car like. So when you say competition, there are two aspects to that. The first is similiar vehicles. The second is vehicles that potential customers buy instead of the MDX when the MDX would better fit their needs. |
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| SRSEN1999 |
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Originally posted by jcmax
In your opinion, what are the major competitors of MDX?
RX350? JEEP Grand Cherokee Limited? 4Runner Limited? Volvo XC90?...
Any comparison among those cars?
Thanks.
]I don't think Jeep Grand Cherokee is part of the competition. |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by BaldEagle
It not only has a name very similar to MDX it even looks like an MDX.
http://www.lincoln.com/mkx/home.asp...d=lincoln%20mkx|630192314
A while ago we wondered if Lincoln was ripping off "MDX" with the "MKX" name. Or was Lincoln just taking their "Mk. IV" philosophy to a new alpha series.
Since then, Lincoln has announced an "MKS" sedan (S=Sedan, X=crossover, supposedly). And now a more random letter, with an "MKZ".
I figure that the American-brand vehicles are getting better, but I'd rather someone else experience and verify it before I put my money down. |
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| crmsnidol |
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Originally posted by wmquan
I figure that the American-brand vehicles are getting better, but I'd rather someone else experience and verify it before I put my money down.
Exactly how I feel but I doubt I'll get to that comfort level with domestic brands in my lifetime. For example, I really like the look of Dodge vehicles and they are more affordable than Acura but ultimately I'm not gambling with my money that Dodge has gotten to the same level of reliability and resale value that the Honda brand(s) have. |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by crmsnidol
Exactly how I feel but I doubt I'll get to that comfort level with domestic brands in my lifetime. For example, I really like the look of Dodge vehicles and they are more affordable than Acura but ultimately I'm not gambling with my money that Dodge has gotten to the same level of reliability and resale value that the Honda brand(s) have.
It's sad, too, because I think the domestic brands can achieve this level if they make enough changes. I also was hoping that since reliability is becoming "diminishing returns," that the domestic brands will eventually be fine. Likewise, there's still a ways to go in safety engineering and results measured from crash test observations.
I can probably accept lower resale because I hang on to vehicles for about 7 years and thus resale is not as significant as selling in, say, 3-4 years.
I know that some folks here are urging consideration now, and I think it comes down to your level of trust and optimism. I've heard the story before about how much better a domestic model was, only to see a few years of reliability stats, crash tests, and ownership experiences prove that the optimism was unfounded.
A good example of "proving it" is Hyundai. They've come from being somewhat of a joke to being a legitimate up-and-comer. They may only be a vehicle generation or two from seriously hurting Toyota and Honda. E.g. the current Sonata is quite competitive with the Camry, though it still falls short in a number of areas.
I like it when companies prove it and don't just talk about it. I don't think it's about bias against the domestic brands. I think they screwed up so badly that they dug themselves a huge hole, that they not only have to crawl out of, but they have to try even harder to get import buyers back.
It's ironic because I have a 2001 MDX with a time bomb of a transmission. But, I still feel that the domestics aren't proven enough to me to commit money for another 7 years. |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by jcmax
In your opinion, what are the major competitors of MDX?
RX350? JEEP Grand Cherokee Limited? 4Runner Limited? Volvo XC90?...
Any comparison among those cars?
Thanks.
People cross-shop everything under the sun. So morally, a major competitor is whatever else you're considering.
However, I think that Acura originally pitted the MDX against the RX, M-class (previous generation), and the X5. IIRC, a lot of Acura sales training videos and literature were to go against those vehicles. The XC90 came much later and they probably consider it a competitor.
Since then, the M-class has gone significantly upmarket and, barring a possible huge price increase of the 2007 MDX, isn't a direct competitor anymore. The RX still is for folks who don't require a third row, and still leads the sales segment so it has to be a competitor. |
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