| carguy1234 |
Anybody want to venture a pre-season pick for the AFC and NFC champs this year?
My AFC team: Pats
Watch out for Laurence Maroney.
NFC: Panthers.
Should be even better than last year. |
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| gdot |
NFC - Seahawks
AFC - Broncos |
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| buckeye1 |
NFC:Panthers
AFC:Patriots |
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| keremoner |
| I still haven't seen anything in the moves Bellichick has made to favor Pats this year. Hope I am wrong. |
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| m2pc |
AFC- Patriots
NFC-Cowboys
Will Be Bill versus Bill |
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| carguy1234 |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
I still haven't seen anything in the moves Bellichick has made to favor Pats this year. Hope I am wrong.
Did you catch Maroney last night? |
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| screbr |
Is this a Pats promotion thread? They keep letting their weapons go. Maroney's good; but what are the odds that a Rookie RB can last a full season AND have an all-pro season? Slim...
Broncos for sure in the AFC
Giants or Carolina in the NFC |
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| carguy1234 |
quote:
Originally posted by screbr
Is this a Pats promotion thread? They keep letting their weapons go. Maroney's good; but what are the odds that a Rookie RB can last a full season AND have an all-pro season? Slim...
Broncos for sure in the AFC
Giants or Carolina in the NFC
I think I was the only one promoting the Pats. I mainly just want to see Maroney do well.
But I don't take Denver seriously, since even if they go 14-2, you know they can't win a big game in the playoffs. |
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| laborlitigator |
Giants
Colts |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by m2pc
AFC- Patriots
NFC-Cowboys
Will Be Bill versus Bill
Living in Dallas and being a big Cowboy fan I don't think they are there yet. But they should be better than last season.
NFC:Panthers
AFC:Bengals |
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| screbr |
quote:
Originally posted by carguy1234
I think I was the only one promoting the Pats. I mainly just want to see Maroney do well.
But I don't take Denver seriously, since even if they go 14-2, you know they can't win a big game in the playoffs.
I know they beat the Pats in the playoffs last year, and that was a big game. And then they lost to the eventual champion Steelers.
If not the Broncos, then maybe the Phins in the AFC. They've got something good brewing down there... |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by screbr
I know they beat the Pats in the playoffs last year, and that was a big game. And then they lost to the eventual champion Steelers.
If not the Broncos, then maybe the Phins in the AFC. They've got something good brewing down there...
Miami is at least couple of years from being serious contenders. If the Pats resolve the WR issue, I think they have got a decent shot. If not I'd say Colts (finally...) |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Miami is at least couple of years from being serious contenders. If the Pats resolve the WR issue, I think they have got a decent shot. If not I'd say Colts (finally...)
Sorry, but I believe that the Colts will go nowhere without James or a reasonable replacement. I think the Colts window is closing. |
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| carguy1234 |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Sorry, but I believe that the Colts will go nowhere without James or a reasonable replacement. I think the Colts window is closing.
Fully agree with you on that one.
And Miami will not be contenders. They haven't figured out that they were duped into taking Culpepper yet. Look for lots of fumbles and interceptions once the games start meaning something. |
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| carguy1234 |
| Nice to see Culpepper giving the game away for a team other than the Vikings!!! |
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| m2pc |
I had picked Pittsburgh over Miami - Pitt wins
Carolina over Atlanta (@Atlanta)
Clevelnad over New Orleans (@ Cleveland)
TampaBay over Baltimore (@ TB)
Cincinnati over Kansas City (@ KC)
Denver over St. Louis ( at St. Louis)
Tennessee over New York Jets (@Tenn.)
Philadelphia over Houston (@ Houston)
Seattle over Detroit (@ Detroit)
Chicago over Green Bay ( @ Green Bay)
Dallas over Jacksonville (@ Jacksonville)
Arizona over San Fran (@ Arizona)
Indi over Giants (@ Giants)
Minnesota over Washington (@ Washington)
San Diego over Oakland (@ Oakland)
Patriots over Bills (@ Patriots) |
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| carguy1234 |
quote:
Originally posted by m2pc
I had picked Pittsburgh over Miami - Pitt wins
Carolina over Atlanta (@Atlanta)
Clevelnad over New Orleans (@ Cleveland)
TampaBay over Baltimore (@ TB)
Cincinnati over Kansas City (@ KC)
Denver over St. Louis ( at St. Louis)
Tennessee over New York Jets (@Tenn.)
Philadelphia over Houston (@ Houston)
Seattle over Detroit (@ Detroit)
Chicago over Green Bay ( @ Green Bay)
Dallas over Jacksonville (@ Jacksonville)
Arizona over San Fran (@ Arizona)
Indi over Giants (@ Giants)
Minnesota over Washington (@ Washington)
San Diego over Oakland (@ Oakland)
Patriots over Bills (@ Patriots)
I'm pretty much in agreement with your picks...... not so sure about Indy over the Giants or Dallas over Jacksonville though.
All - who will be the worst team this year? I'd put a lot of money on Green Bay. |
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| m2pc |
As much as I would like the Gints to beat Indy, I think Big Brother has an edge.
I think if TO decides he wants to be part of the TEAM and not BE the center of attention, look out for Dallas.... |
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| carguy1234 |
| Laurence Maroney and the Pats losing to daaaaaaa Bears. |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by carguy1234
Laurence Maroney and the Pats losing to daaaaaaa Bears.
As a Pats fan, I can say this much: You either are NOT going to see the Pats in the SB this season OR IF they make it there, they'll win it. I don't expect a Bellichick team to fail miserably two years in a row. That said, I still am not convinced that Pats will make it to the SB. I don't yet see the same team cohesiveness that took them to SB in 2001, 2004 and 2005 |
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| m2pc |
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Originally posted by keremoner
As a Pats fan, I can say this much: You either are NOT going to see the Pats in the SB this season OR IF they make it there, they'll win it. I don't expect a Bellichick team to fail miserably two years in a row. That said, I still am not convinced that Pats will make it to the SB. I don't yet see the same team cohesiveness that took them to SB in 2001, 2004 and 2005
I agree, very inconsistant play by Pats. The Bears however are very scary :eek:
Hopefully it will be a good game in November between the 2 teams. |
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| screbr |
The Pats have looked better each week, but Denver made them look pretty poor a few weeks ago.
As bad as Denver's offense has been this year, their defense has been spectacular. No touchdowns allowed this year minus one garbage 4 qtr TD that Brady threw when the game was already decided.
If Jake can get back to 75% of what he did last year, I like Denver's chances. |
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| Warzau |
| DA BEARS all the way! |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by Warzau
DA BEARS all the way!
Right now, it looks like there year. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Right now, it looks like there year.
Playing in the only division that may well be even weaker than the AFC East, the Bears really won't be tested until they travel to Foxboro to face the Pats. Other than that game, they have what may be the easiest schedule (their AFC games are against the AFC East).
In the AFC, looks like the Colts will go nowwhere again. Unless they figure a way to stop the run. Ditto Cinci, and looks like maybe a tough year for the Steelers. Bolts will continue to do well during the regular season, but as usual Schottenheimer will get outcoached by anyone in the playoffs. Hate to say it, but Denver looks to be the AFC team to beat right now. They looked impressive against the Pats, but they will need the offense to show up sometime. |
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| keremoner |
| Patriots have that Super Bowl look to them again. Next week against Indy will be a good indicator. Go Pats. |
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| Mocking-DX |
| the Bears for me too |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by Mocking-DX
the Bears for me too
Bears may well be the best in NFC. But even then, I would only rate them as 4th or 5th best in NFL. Problem is that they may have the easiest schedule in the entire NFL. The only tough game for them will be the Pats. I would rate the Colts, Pats, Donkeys and perhaps the Bolts ahead of the Bears. Single biggest issue for da Bears is whether Grossman will be able to get it done against a real defense and in the playoffs. |
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| carguy1234 |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Bears may well be the best in NFC. But even then, I would only rate them as 4th or 5th best in NFL. Problem is that they may have the easiest schedule in the entire NFL. The only tough game for them will be the Pats. I would rate the Colts, Pats, Donkeys and perhaps the Bolts ahead of the Bears. Single biggest issue for da Bears is whether Grossman will be able to get it done against a real defense and in the playoffs.
I mostly agree except for Denver - I just don't think they can get it done with their QB.
NE is the team to beat. They made the Vikings look sick...and the Vikes had been playing good D all year. The Vikes even had the Bears beat at home a few weeks ago but fumbled late in the 4th, and the Bears scored on the next play. The Bears really could have 2 losses now, but they find a way to win at the end. |
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| keremoner |
Bears look good in a conference where there are almost no great teams. For god sake, their only real competition on the way to SB is Giants. Mark my words, if they get there, they will be blown out in SB. NFC hasn't provided a decent team in recent history and I am not sure why.
I also believe that Indy will choke when it counts the most (as usual). They havent had a tough schedule yet struggled to win most of their games. Hence my gut feeling that this is Pats year barring major surprises. |
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| Maik |
| Glad to see Huard doing well. When he was with Miami, he had a monster game against the Pats coming off the bench and as the number #3 with Pats, he was a class act all the way. |
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| keremoner |
hey maik:
what was up with the Pats yesterday? Didnt see the game but apparently they werent very good. Should we start worrying a bit or what? |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
hey maik:
what was up with the Pats yesterday? Didnt see the game but apparently they werent very good. Should we start worrying a bit or what?
Basically, they suck.
Brady is having his worst season as a Pat and the defense has been unable to make plays when they need to. Even the game plans have been questionable the past two weeks. They should have pounded the ball straight up the middle both weeks, but decided to throw the ball. Kick coverage teams cant get it done either.
There is still plenty of time left, but the way I see it, their two best games were against the Bengals and Vikes. Both teams are proving to be poor teams, so the Pats have no quality wins this season, while squeeking by Buffalo, Miami and the Jets the first time. |
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| nightguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Basically, they suck.
I'm leaving for Lambeau on Saturday. This ought to be a confidence-building game for the Pats. Pack has a bunch of people out and they're terrible again this year. At least there will be 2 legendary QB's to watch...and plenty of beer. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by nightguy
I'm leaving for Lambeau on Saturday. This ought to be a confidence-building game for the Pats. Pack has a bunch of people out and they're terrible again this year. At least there will be 2 legendary QB's to watch...and plenty of beer.
If Favre did not miss so many wide open receivers, I believe this would have been a close game. |
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| nightguy |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
If Favre did not miss so many wide open receivers, I believe this would have been a close game.
NE is a far superior team. GB never established a running game. Favre did miss some...like the first play when he threw the bouncer to driver, then went 3 and out on the first series. I guess Rodgers likes throwing to double coverage.
I was surprised how many Patriots fans were there. Boy was it ever a gorgeous day. My new phone sucks at taking pictures but you get the idea. |
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| keremoner |
| Pats won but they need that secondary healthy or else they will go nowhere. |
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| keremoner |
What a weird season this has turned out to be. The teams that looked good in the first half such as Indy, Denver, NE, Chicago arre not playing well now. Who would have guessed that Baltimore and N.O. would be looking pretty good now? If you ask me San Diego is destined to win the SB this year unless someone else gets hot in a hurry. N.E. may be done if they do not get healthy.
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Originally posted by keremoner
Pats won but they need that secondary healthy or else they will go nowhere.
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
What a weird season this has turned out to be. The teams that looked good in the first half such as Indy, Denver, NE, Chicago arre not playing well now. Who would have guessed that Baltimore and N.O. would be looking pretty good now? If you ask me San Diego is destined to win the SB this year unless someone else gets hot in a hurry. N.E. may be done if they do not get healthy.
Healthy or not, the Pats are simply not a good team this year. It has been painful to watch. As for Indy, it was a matter of time. Their inability to stop the running game was exposed several weeks ago and it will do them in. Chicago is a fair team with a decent defense playing ina very weak NFC. The Bolts look real strong right now, but lets remember that Marty tends to get out coached every time in the playoffs. |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Healthy or not, the Pats are simply not a good team this year. It has been painful to watch. As for Indy, it was a matter of time. Their inability to stop the running game was exposed several weeks ago and it will do them in. Chicago is a fair team with a decent defense playing ina very weak NFC. The Bolts look real strong right now, but lets remember that Marty tends to get out coached every time in the playoffs.
True to all of the above but I'd like to think that Bellichick will somehow whip this team into shape just in time (I know it is wishful thinking only probably). Maybe losing the offensive and defensive coordinators did have some impact. Of course not having Harrison and Seau, among other talent, isn't helping either. |
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| keremoner |
| In the first round, my crystal ball says Dallas over Seattle (an upset), Indy over KC (just barely but will not survive Baltimore), Philly over the Giants, and NE over NY |
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| keremoner |
If I were the Chargers, I'd be getting nervous just about now. Sitting out a week, especially when you will face a team like the Pats, can be deadly. As a Pats fan, I prematurely feel a warm, tingly feeling already.
in any case, the winner of that game will in all likelihood become the SB champions.:4: |
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| eurohazard |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
If I were the Chargers, I'd be getting nervous just about now. Sitting out a week, especially when you will face a team like the Pats, can be deadly. As a Pats fan, I prematurely feel a warm, tingly feeling already.
in any case, the winner of that game will in all likelihood become the SB champions.:4:
I hear you. I never count out the Pats. They could have been 9-7 in the regualer season, and it'd be hard to pick against them in the playoffs.
p.s. your crystal ball has a hairline crack! Seattle beat Dallas........NICE! |
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| andreseng |
quote:
Originally posted by eurohazard
p.s. your crystal ball has a hairline crack! Seattle beat Dallas........NICE!
No, Dallas beat Dallas! ;) |
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| eurohazard |
quote:
Originally posted by andreseng
No, Dallas beat Dallas! ;)
LOL point taken........But Seattle still had over a minute to get within Josh Brown's field goal range (if Dallas made their field goal). They had done it like 4 times already this season! |
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| keremoner |
First of all, I agree that Dallas beat Dallas - not Seattle who played a mediocre game and will not go past next week.
Secondly, Pats will make their game a very exciting one but, even as a die-hard fan, Chargers looked incredibly good this season. If the NE defense plays with fire in their eyes and Harrison is back, they stand a good chance, but only if they do not make mistakes like the ridiculous amount of penalties they took last weekend. |
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| keremoner |
| Maik, you are too quiet. Are you afraid to jinx the Pats by weighing in?;) |
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| keremoner |
| Harrison is out for the Pats on this Saturday's game as well. Adversity is not a new thing for the Pats, but nevertheless it will be a little harder now to beat NFL's best team this year. |
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| eurohazard |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
First of all, I agree that Dallas beat Dallas - not Seattle who played a mediocre game and will not go past next week.
Secondly, Pats will make their game a very exciting one but, even as a die-hard fan, Chargers looked incredibly good this season. If the NE defense plays with fire in their eyes and Harrison is back, they stand a good chance, but only if they do not make mistakes like the ridiculous amount of penalties they took last weekend.
You do realize that Seattle damn near beat the Chargers in week 16 don't you? And yes all the starters were playing. It took a TD pass in the last 29 secong to win it for San Diego. The Seahawks even kept L.T. in check (at least better than anyone can this year). He had zero touchdowns, and 123 yrds, but 1/2 of that total came on one play.
Oh how I do hope the Bears go down! I wouldn't bet money on it, but as a Seattle fan, I can always hope! |
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| keremoner |
what a game. Chargers were definitely the better team on paper but did not execute a good game plan. Goes to show that experience and coaching goes a long way in the playoffs.
Next wek will be very interesting. I like Pats chances despite what I saw today. Indy's off and def lines aren't as good as SD's so I like Pats chances to go all the way once again. |
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| eurohazard |
Both Sunday games were good. My Seahawks didn't come through.............but they didn't get their asses handed to them like SO many people thought. The Bears will get whooped by New Orleans.
And you know what kills me? All-pro Walter Jones quit on a play that led to a Hasselbeck sack. Did anyone see it? I was pissed. I din't understand how those guys can kill themselves for 9 months, only to quit for a play when it MOST matters (playoffs, 4th quarter, tie game) GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Sorry for the rant. |
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| keremoner |
I was pulling for Seatle and thought they had a decent shot at winning the game. Too bad. I like N.O. as well in the NFC finals. I am still going out on a limb and calling for Pats to win it all due to their experience. If they don't screw it up major time, they should be able to beat the remaining teams since they already beat the best team in NFL this year.
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Originally posted by eurohazard
Both Sunday games were good. My Seahawks didn't come through.............but they didn't get their asses handed to them like SO many people thought. The Bears will get whooped by New Orleans.
And you know what kills me? All-pro Walter Jones quit on a play that led to a Hasselbeck sack. Did anyone see it? I was pissed. I din't understand how those guys can kill themselves for 9 months, only to quit for a play when it MOST matters (playoffs, 4th quarter, tie game) GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Sorry for the rant.
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| Warzau |
quote:
Originally posted by Warzau
DA BEARS all the way!
ONE MORE GAME!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! |
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| eurohazard |
Those Bears played a hell of a game against the Saints (especially D). And New Orleans looked like poop.
I am happy for the Colts. Go Colts! ;) |
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| laborlitigator |
Peyton finally got one huge monkey off his back.
It was probably one of the most exciting games I've seen in years.
Pats fans shouldn't be too down, you've had a great run. But you did have them down 18 points.
Also, what's with the timeouts in the last Colts drive? He should have given Brady more time. |
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| Warzau |
| It's gonna be interesting seeing Urlacher vs Manning. Audibles all day long. |
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| keremoner |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Peyton finally got one huge monkey off his back.
It was probably one of the most exciting games I've seen in years.
Pats fans shouldn't be too down, you've had a great run. But you did have them down 18 points.
Also, what's with the timeouts in the last Colts drive? He should have given Brady more time.
Pats had Colts' number in the first 25 or so minutes of the game. Blitz was working and the corners and safety were covering their men like a glove. Then Indy regrouped and changed their game plan. I will always wonder why Pats refused to adapt to the change (as if they were up by 40 points or so) and slow down their blitzing. They kept on giving Indy the short yardage pass plays and Indy obliged them. I thought that Pats' game plan was ingenious during the first half but they stunk in that they did not adapt to Indy's changes during the second half. Of course, the lengthy IR list did not help either, or not having the likes of Givens in the WR slot and having to play with likes of Caldwell who choked.
Oh well, there is always next year. |
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| JimH |
The Colts/Patriots game was fun to watch. The Patriots lost that game due to 2 major miscues in my opinion. 1. The DB who never turned around for the Pats and let the Colts have the interference call in the 4th quarter--if he had turned around, he could have intercepted easily and one less score for the Colts., 2. The WR for the Pats who cannot catch a ball when he is not covered--standing alone---waiting for the ball--- an easy run to the goalline if he knew how to catch a football?
However, it did appear as if the Patriots may have gotten more lucky breaks during the whole game, and the game is won/lost over the entire 60 minutes. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Of course, the lengthy IR list did not help either, or not having the likes of Givens in the WR slot and having to play with likes of Caldwell who choked.
Oh well, there is always next year.
Are you making excuses?! Every team has injuries, I don't want to hear that one.
If the shoe were on the other foot and Dungy had made those same decisions regarding the timeouts, they would have villified him.
Face it, Bellichek's decision making was atrocious, it forced Brady to a pass he may not have had to make had he more time and the Pats finally didn't get the breaks. ie. the fumble recovery and the ball that shot up in the air.
Kudos to Payton. |
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| keremoner |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Are you making excuses?! Every team has injuries, I don't want to hear that one.
If the shoe were on the other foot and Dungy had made those same decisions regarding the timeouts, they would have villified him.
Face it, Bellichek's decision making was atrocious, it forced Brady to a pass he may not have had to make had he more time and the Pats finally didn't get the breaks. ie. the fumble recovery and the ball that shot up in the air.
Kudos to Payton.
No excuses. I said their failiure to adapt to changes in Colts' game plan was their biggest fault. However, even with that, if they had, say Marvin Harrison or David Givens type recievers instead of Caldwell, they would have scored even more points. Pats are too cheap to pay for tried and tested recievers I guess (as they were with keeping likes of Ty Law, etc. etc.) |
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| keremoner |
What a draft. Just about everyone is expecting Pats to win the SB in 2007-2008 season. They plugged all holes (WR, Safety/CB, and LB) They will be formiddable next year.
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Are you making excuses?! Every team has injuries, I don't want to hear that one.
If the shoe were on the other foot and Dungy had made those same decisions regarding the timeouts, they would have villified him.
Face it, Bellichek's decision making was atrocious, it forced Brady to a pass he may not have had to make had he more time and the Pats finally didn't get the breaks. ie. the fumble recovery and the ball that shot up in the air.
Kudos to Payton.
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| mullysalt |
| With all those moves and the talent already on the team how can they not win? They were less than a half of a game away from the SB with Gaffney and pie-eyed Caldwell at WR. |
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| keremoner |
Still makes me wonder why in earth did they not pay for Branch to stay on the team? With him, they would have won the SB last year, I have no questions in my mind.
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Originally posted by mullysalt
With all those moves and the talent already on the team how can they not win? They were less than a half of a game away from the SB with Gaffney and pie-eyed Caldwell at WR.
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