| cycler15 |
Now that college football is in fall training camp it's time to start talking about the upcoming season.
How will USC do with the loss of 2 Heisman winners?
Is Notre Dame the most over-rated team in the country?
How will Oklahoma do since they booted their starting QB?
Which non-BCS conference team will make it do the BCS bowls since they added the +1 BCS game?
How will Northwestern handle the death of their coach?
And more important.... give us your prediction of who will be the national champs.
As a USC alumn... I have to go with my Trojans. They are stocked with amazing blue chip talent (#1 recruiting class the past 3 years).
USC over Ohio State. |
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| buckeye1 |
The Ohio State Buckeyes will
win the BCS championship
if they beat Texas 9/9/06
Go BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by buckeye1
The Ohio State Buckeyes will
win the BCS championship
if they beat Texas 9/9/06
Go BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:19: The Buckeyes couldn't beat Texas in Columbus last year so what makes you think they can win in Austin??? Actually they have a good chance. Texas without Vince will be so different. I wish he would have stuck around another year but after his performance in the Rose Bowl his stock couldn't get much higher.
I don't see any front runners so far this year. I think Texas, USC and Ohio State lost some good players and it will be hard to replace them. The loser of the Texas/Ohio State game has a very slim chance of making the championship game but if they win out will still make a BCS game.
It should be a fun and exciting year! |
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| robrecht |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
Is Notre Dame the most over-rated team in the country?
This is the year their rivalry with Penn State is revived. Wife had to sign a prenup! :7: |
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| carguy1234 |
quote:
Originally posted by buckeye1
The Ohio State Buckeyes will
win the BCS championship
if they beat Texas 9/9/06
Go BUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My prediction is that OSU will be undefeated until 9/23, and then they will be throttled by Penn State. |
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| R Stevens |
As a fan and alum I have to predict that Penn State will win it all. Why not? Then reality sets in....
It could be argued that PSU has better talent than last year, but we will be less experienced and likely take time to gel. Road games against ND and OSU in September will be a challenge. A win against ND would mean that ND is higly overrated. A win against OSU would be an upset, especially since the Buckeyes will be seeking revenge from last year, plus PSU doesn't do well in the Shoe.
Regarding last year...I think Ohio State was the best team at the end of the season. They were much stronger than when they lost to Texas and Penn State. USC would likely have lost to Ohio State, because most of USC's opponents had a weak defense. A playoff between Texas and OSU would have determined the real national champion.
It should be a great season for college football. Can't wait until Sept. 2!
BTW, what's the word in San Francisco about Michael Robinson? Is he expected to make the team and at what position? Any news would be appreciated. |
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| cycler15 |
USC has the overall talent and a very good schedule to win it all this year.
Yes we lost Matt Leinart, but we have two #1 rated QBs (John David Booty and Matt Sanchez) coming out of high school waiting to show their stuff.
We have depth at WR with Dwayne Jarrett, a consensus All-American, Steve Smith a 3rd year starter, and Patrick Turner and Vidal Hazelton (both the #1 rated WRs coming out of high school) as backups.
The offensive line has 2 potential All-Americans and is predicted to be better than last year.
The LBs go 3 deep and many say that the 2nd and 3rd string could start for almost every other school in the country.
The weaknesses are at RB and DB. Losing Bush and LenDale White hurts. There isn't depth at RB and one of the 3 top RB recruits will probably get extensive playing time as a freshman. Our DB were decimated by injuries last year, so lots of players got playing time and that can only help.
The schedule is very favorable. The non-conference games are Arkansas, Nebraska, and Notre Dame. Nebraska and Notre Dame are at home. The tough conference games against Cal, ASU and Oregon are also at home. |
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| buckeye1 |
Regarding USC,in all reality
they are the ONLY good team in the
PAC 10(say all you want about Cal,
Ore,etc)but they are not in the same
league as the other powerhouse teams.
So this gives USC an advantage(if
you have to count Arkansas as a tough game,
I rest my case).
At the end of last year OSU was the best team.
I cant remember who said it but someone
on Texas said OSU was the toughest team
they played all year.Im very disappointed that
Texas`starting RB transfered(I was hoping
he and his teammates would have smoked up all of
his pot before the OSU game.
ND is overrated every year,look what happened
last year,I believe OSU put up 617 total yards
and if they hadnt turned the ball over they would have beaten ND
even worse.
PSU does not play well in the `SHOE,as stated they have no chance againstTroy and the boys from Columbus |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by buckeye1
if you have to count Arkansas as a tough game, I rest my case.
I wasn't saying Arkansas was going to be a tough game. I was listing them as one of our non-conference games. We beat them 70-17 last year... why would I count them as a tough game? :D
quote:
Originally posted by buckeye1
say all you want about Cal,
Ore,etc)but they are not in the same
league as the other powerhouse teams.
Cal is gonna be better than you think. They play Tennessee on Sept 2nd so that will be a good barameter of how good they are. |
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| buckeye1 |
Every fall brings hope and optimism
to college football campuses all over
the country,but its different in Columbus!
People eat,drink and sleep OSU football!
Now Im not saying that other places dont have pride,etc,but Columbus is the place.Ive lived in NY,Pa,SC
and now NC and have been to many college games
and have enjoyed the atmosphere but it does not
compare to Columbus.
Basically the entire state bleeds Scarlet and Gray!
I just wish that college football could come up
with a playoff system that would truley determine
a national champion.But if that happened
I guess people would not have anything to argue(oh
I mean debate intelligently).
COLLEGE FOOTBALL ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by buckeye1
COLLEGE FOOTBALL ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amen to that! :2:
IMO it's the best sport out there... historic stadiums, schools with history and tradition, marching bands, fight songs, cheerleaders (song girls for USC), students and alumns waving pom poms and going crazy... what more can you ask for? |
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| SirJOW |
quote:
Originally posted by buckeye1
Regarding USC,in all reality
they are the ONLY good team in the
PAC 10(say all you want about Cal,
Ore,etc)but they are not in the same
league as the other powerhouse teams.
So this gives USC an advantage(if
you have to count Arkansas as a tough game,
I rest my case).
I love college football but the above is the exact reason that it has been making me angry in the recent past! There is no doubt that teams like USC are good; however, it is very unfair when all the commentators/writers drool all over themselves over UNTESTED teams! Please, the PAC 10 and other conferences are VERY WEAK in comparison to many others! There are great teams throughout the country in much more difficult conferences who are written off because of their stiff competition. Although it is true that it is very difficult for these teams to come out unscathed; the strength of schedule has very little APPARENT WEIGHT to the decisionmakers! And is the exact reason that these teams ARE BETTER (or at worst equal) even if they do lose 1 or MAYBE 2 games. IMO, teams in low-powered conferences such as the PAC 10 should be required to go undefeated and be tested with additional games with great teams outside of their conference to prove that they are worthy to stand for a national championship. IT IS TOO EASY FOR GOOD (but not great teams) from OVERALL low-powered conferences in populous and POPULAR places (L.A.) to come out unscathed and compete for a national title.
An Example that angered me today:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ebar/index.html |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by SirJOW
I love college football but the above is the exact reason that it has been making me angry in the recent past! There is no doubt that teams like USC are good; however, it is very unfair when all the commentators/writers drool all over themselves over UNTESTED teams! Please, the PAC 10 and other conferences are VERY WEAK in comparison to many others! There are great teams throughout the country in much more difficult conferences who are written off because of their stiff competition. Although it is true that it is very difficult for these teams to come out unscathed; the strength of schedule has very little APPARENT WEIGHT to the decisionmakers! And is the exact reason that these teams ARE BETTER (or at worst equal) even if they do lose 1 or MAYBE 2 games. IMO, teams in low-powered conferences such as the PAC 10 should be required to go undefeated and be tested with additional games with great teams outside of their conference to prove that they are worthy to stand for a national championship. IT IS TOO EASY FOR GOOD (but not great teams) from OVERALL low-powered conferences in populous and POPULAR places (L.A.) to come out unscathed and compete for a national title.
An Example that angered me today:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...ebar/index.html
This debate happens every year. Look at USC's non-conference schedule. Arkansas, Nebraska, Notre Dame. 2 teams from BCS conferences and Notre Dame. Doesn't get much tougher than that. No cupcakes and no easy automatic wins.
Name another team from the SEC or Big 10 or Big 12 or wherever that plays 3 quality non conference games. Can you do it?
Why should teams from the SEC or Big 12 get to schedule cupcake directional schools and get automatic wins and boost their stats? The SEC has some weak teams... Kentucky, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt. Same with the Big 12... Baylor, Kansas. Being in a tough conference and scheduling easy non conference opponents does not automatically give you a good strength of schedule.
It's pretty simple... you have to schedule quality opponents and go undefeated. If you are going to lose, then you better lose early to a top team and go undefeated the rest of the way. |
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| SirJOW |
No offense but you sort-of hit the nail on the head; there is no doubt that the Southeastern Conference is the toughest in the nation! Most teams in the SEC play most of the toughest teams in the NATION; and WHO ARE THE TOUGHEST TEAMS IN THE NATION (with INCIDENTALLY TOUGHEST SCHEDULES?!)
- Alabama (FACES 66%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- Auburn (FACES 71%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- Florida (FACES 86% OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA)
- Georgia (FACES 66%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- LSU (FACES 66%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- South Carolina (FACES 66%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- Tennessee (FACES 71%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
* THE BEST IN THE USA CONFERENCE (SEC) IS LISTED ABOVE...I DARE YOU TO COMPARE YOUR CONFERENCE'S TEAMS TO THOSE ABOVE! INCLUDE JUSTIFICATION FOR STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE IF YOU PLAN ON DOING SO BTW!!
And these are ONLY the opponents IN THEIR CONFERENCE; MANY TEAMS FACE OTHER TEAMS FROM DIFFICULT CONFERENCES IN ADDITION! Are you telling me these opponents/conferences compare to the PAC - 10????? PLEASE! This is a dreamworld unfortunately facilitated by ignorant @$$ Kissers like the commentators/sportswriters who are apparently looking for the money. More PEOPLE (CALIFORNIA) = MORE MONEY!
THE NATIONAL TITLE HAS BECOME A JOKE! ...Unfortunately...Do you truly think USC or Texas (who I have a tad bit more respect for thanks to their conference) could have beat ALL the above teams+ last year??? I certainly would have no reservations betting the opposite of these teams beating USC or Texas. |
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| MDteX |
quote:
Originally posted by SirJOW
No offense but you sort-of hit the nail on the head; there is no doubt that the Southeastern Conference is the toughest in the nation! Most teams in the SEC play most of the toughest teams in the NATION; and WHO ARE THE TOUGHEST TEAMS IN THE NATION (with INCIDENTALLY TOUGHEST SCHEDULES?!)
- Alabama (FACES 66%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- Auburn (FACES 71%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- Florida (FACES 86% OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA)
- Georgia (FACES 66%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- LSU (FACES 66%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- South Carolina (FACES 66%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
- Tennessee (FACES 71%+ OF THE BEST IN THEIR CONFERENCE (SEC) WHICH IS THE BEST IN THE USA!)
* THE BEST IN THE USA CONFERENCE (SEC) IS LISTED ABOVE...I DARE YOU TO COMPARE YOUR CONFERENCE'S TEAMS TO THOSE ABOVE! INCLUDE JUSTIFICATION FOR STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE IF YOU PLAN ON DOING SO BTW!!
And these are ONLY the opponents IN THEIR CONFERENCE; MANY TEAMS FACE OTHER TEAMS FROM DIFFICULT CONFERENCES IN ADDITION! Are you telling me these opponents/conferences compare to the PAC - 10????? PLEASE! This is a dreamworld unfortunately facilitated by ignorant @$$ Kissers like the commentators/sportswriters who are apparently looking for the money. More PEOPLE (CALIFORNIA) = MORE MONEY!
THE NATIONAL TITLE HAS BECOME A JOKE! ...Unfortunately...Do you truly think USC or Texas (who I have a tad bit more respect for thanks to their conference) could have beat ALL the above teams+ last year??? I certainly would have no reservations betting the opposite of these teams beating USC or Texas.
If you bet that all of the SEC teams would have beaten Texas or USC last year you would be a poor man. Granted the SEC is normally a strong conference but to say all of them would beat the top 2 teams in the nation is crazy. BTW how did Tennessee do last season?
This is not just a problem with college football. It happens in pro sports too. A stronger team misses the playoffs because it is in a strong division and a weaker team wins a weak division.
I dare any of you to come up with a totally fair way and keep rivalries around. |
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| SirJOW |
quote:
Originally posted by MDteX
If you bet that all of the SEC teams would have beaten Texas or USC last year you would be a poor man. Granted the SEC is normally a strong conference but to say all of them would beat the top 2 teams in the nation is crazy. BTW how did Tennessee do last season?
This is not just a problem with college football. It happens in pro sports too. A stronger team misses the playoffs because it is in a strong division and a weaker team wins a weak division.
I dare any of you to come up with a totally fair way and keep rivalries around.
I agree that other teams; in the SEC if you'd like may not have beaten USC or Texas; it MAY be true that they WERE the two best teams in the country. However, the fact that cannot be denied is that they are in very weak conferences and the reality is not as black and white as the sportswriters want it to be.
Why is it that other teams in equally weak conferences who have gone undefeated; Utah as an example, have gone un-included in polls almost completely in the past? Obviously because Utah does not have the clout that teams in RICH (more than just monetary) California has.
The solution is one that will never come and that is a play off system. Of course, I understand WHY it will never come and agree. However, what I would hope (again, something that will not happen apparently) is that sports writers/commentators put a lot more stock AND FAIRNESS when considering different teams polling position based on strength of schedule, quality of win (taking into account the opponents SOS), etc. There are many "great" teams that eek out wins against cruddy opponents yet it still counts as a win...and maybe rightfully so; but this should also affect their rating in the eyes of the powers that be...it seemingly has had little/no effect in the past particularly when talking about "media darlings."
As for Tennessee; everyone has their off season...their traditional position as a top team cannot be denied (over one season's performance) and will be an immediate force to be reckoned with. Something that cannot be said about a team like Illinois for example who still has a long way to go no matter how you cut it. |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by SirJOW
However, what I would hope (again, something that will not happen apparently) is that sports writers/commentators put a lot more stock AND FAIRNESS when considering different teams polling position based on strength of schedule, quality of win (taking into account the opponents SOS), etc.
That's why there are computer polls that count towards the BCS rankings. The computer polls are based strictly on a formula and shouldn't have any bias. |
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| cycler15 |
Paragraph from a CBSSportsline article on college football. This paragraph talks about upsets of the year.
"Cal over Tennessee, Sept. 2. The Vols will be favored because they're at home. But Cal is a better overall team and somewhere deep inside the Tennessee psyche is buried the belief that these soft West Coast boys can't hang. Think again." |
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| SirJOW |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
Paragraph from a CBSSportsline article on college football. This paragraph talks about upsets of the year.
"Cal over Tennessee, Sept. 2. The Vols will be favored because they're at home. But Cal is a better overall team and somewhere deep inside the Tennessee psyche is buried the belief that these soft West Coast boys can't hang. Think again."
OH LORD, there is no doubt that Tennessee sucked last year; and rightfully so. I am by no means a Fat Fulmer fan. However I would like to see last years USC beat Tennesee in a "typical UT year." Maybe they could have, but my bets are 50/50 at best for USC. Unfortunately we will never know thanks to the "media darlings." BTW, computers MIGHT be fair...I don't know as none of us on this board knows the formula. SADLY, the FICKLE commentators/writers MAKE-UP (in just about every way) most of the "pie" in the end however. |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by SirJOW
However I would like to see last years USC beat Tennesee in a "typical UT year." Maybe they could have, but my bets are 50/50 at best for USC.
LOL. Are you serious? Last year's USC team had one of the greatest collections of offensive talent ever assembled on a college team. And you would bet that they only have a 50% chance of beating Tennessee if UT had a typical year (which would maybe be a 9 win season)?
Lemme ask again... are you serious? |
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| SirJOW |
Yes! Take a look at your USC's schedule vs. that of Tennesse or any other team in the SEC for example?! Can you SERIOUSLY tell me who exactly on your schedule compares?
Let me let you compare last years UT's schedule with USC's:
UT:
Alabama-Birmingham (5-6)
Florida (9-3)
LSU (11-2)
Mississippi (3-8)
Georgia (10-3)
Alabama (10-2)
South Carolina (7-5)
Notre Dame (9-3)
Memphis (7-5)
Vanderbilt (5-6)
Kentucky (3-8)
DAMN! There are a lot of TOUGH TOP teams up there FACING OTHER TOP TEAMS IN THEIR OWN CONFERENCE!
USC:
Hawaii (5-7)
Arkansas (4-7)
Oregon (10-2)
Arizona State (7-5)
Arizona (3-8)
Notre Dame (9-3)
Washington (2-9)
Washington State (4-7)
Stanford (5-6)
California (8-4)
Fresno State (8-5)
UCLA (10-2)
Although there are a couple of top teams no where near as tough as Tennessee's schedule! Most of the teams above face other teams in inferior conferences to come up with their mediocre standings. |
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| screbr |
The SEC is usually pretty good at being so strong that it's teams either play themselves out of the NC picture, or they are too exhausted after the SEC championship to show up again. It actually works to SC's advantage to play in a weaker conference without a title game - they are fresher at the end of the year. Until there's a playoff, there will be no way around this.
Even so, I like LSU this year, and Auburn is pretty good (luck for them they don't play GT this year :D ). I'd say ND has a great shot, except they have to open their season in Atlanta at GT - just ask any Auburn fan how that meeting might work out. |
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| gdot |
| The SEC is over-rated!!! SC would have beat all of them. |
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| cycler15 |
| USC went into SEC territory and hung 50 points on Arkansas. Looks like they'll challenge for another national championship this year. There next game is against Nebraska at home in 2 weeks. |
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| one4gatr |
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Cal is gonna be better than you think. They play Tennessee on Sept 2nd so that will be a good barameter of how good they are.
I think we now know... Cal was NEVER in that game. |
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| one4gatr |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
USC went into SEC territory and hung 50 points on Arkansas. Looks like they'll challenge for another national championship this year. There next game is against Nebraska at home in 2 weeks.
I wouldnt really call Arkansas a measuring stick in the SEC. That being said I think USC has a hell of a chance at the title this year. They are a great team that looks like they are on a totally different level. But thats why they play the games. Also FYI.. one of your greatest alums and ex Jaguar player Tony Boselli has a morning talk show in Jax (I will link you if interested) but he contends that the SEC is probably one of the strongest conferences top to bottom.
I think from year to year you can make a case for any conference. But I refuse to acknowledge a conference being the "strongest" until they add in a conference championship. Just ask the ACC folks who around here used to poo poo the Gators for saying the conference championship was more important then beating an out of conference opponent. |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by one4gatr
But I refuse to acknowledge a conference being the "strongest" until they add in a conference championship.
That arguement makes absolutely no sense. The only reason other conferences have a championship game is because they have too many teams and each team cannot play one another so they have to split into 2 divisions. How does having a conference championship game make the conference stronger?
The Pac 10 has 10 teams and starting this season each team will play every other team. With the round robin format, you play everyone and whoever has the best record wins. With splitting into divisions, teams miss playing every team and some teams get an unfair advantage.
The conference championship game is all about the $$$$$$$ and nothing else. |
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| one4gatr |
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That arguement makes absolutely no sense. The only reason other conferences have a championship game is because they have too many teams and each team cannot play one another so they have to split into 2 divisions. How does having a conference championship game make the conference stronger?
Oh I see... The ACC & Big 12 went out and brought in a bunch of patsies so they could split into two divisions and rake in all that extra cash.
Being an SEC homer I heard the same thing for years from the ACC and Big 12 fans. It used to pi$$ off Seminole fans and for that matter Bobby Bowden when Spurrier used to say that winning the conference championship meant more than winning the FSU/UF game.
Now you may be biased because you dont have a conference championship but if you look at it "objectively" the Big 12, ACC, SEC all have one extra game a year against generally a top 10 opponent.
Imagine if USC ran the table during the regular season and then in the first week of December you had a rematch against whoever in your conference that is now ranked in the top 10. And that team if they beat you automatically goes to a BSC bowl. You dont think that makes your road a bit tougher?
I am not arguing that USC isnt one of the top teams in the country (probably deserve to be #1 or #2 right now) I was just saying that your conference schedule is a bit suspect without having the extra championship game. |
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| cycler15 |
Yes, the only reason the ACC added more teams was to split into 2 divisions and have a conference championship. Why? To make more money. The conference championship game is in a sold out stadium, the local city gets tons of revenue from alumns travelling to the game and staying in hotels and eating at restaurants and buying souveniers, and the TV rights generate millions and millions of dollars for the conference and each team.
Why else would they add more teams?
Yes it makes the road to the BCS a bit tougher, but it doesn't make the conference stronger. |
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| one4gatr |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
Yes, the only reason the ACC added more teams was to split into 2 divisions and have a conference championship. Why? To make more money. The conference championship game is in a sold out stadium, the local city gets tons of revenue from alumns travelling to the game and staying in hotels and eating at restaurants and buying souveniers, and the TV rights generate millions and millions of dollars for the conference and each team.
I am not arguing that the conference championships dont generate revenue. I am saying they add an additional degree of difficulty to your schedule. You also need to understand that the revenue that is generated is split among the entire conference not just the participants. So it allows your "smaller" schools to generate additional income hence build better football programs and facilities in the process. |
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| one4gatr |
| Additionally.. If the only object is to "make money" how come we dont have a playoff in college football yet? It would generate signicantly more income then the current system. |
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| BLACK-BLING-MDX |
| and take away all the bowl games? i dont think it would make more money... |
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| one4gatr |
quote:
Originally posted by BLACK-BLING-MDX
and take away all the bowl games? i dont think it would make more money...
You think that the bowl games make more money than a "playoff" would?
There are only a few bowl games as it stands that mean anything with relation to the national title. Most of the current bowl games are FAR from total sellouts. How many bowl games did you watch last Dec/Jan?
With a playoff system in place you still have "bowl games" but ones that actually mean something. This would draw much larger crowds and most importantly BIGGER television contracts which is really where the money is made. I will give you an example. The Gator Bowl is played in my fair city. Its a 2nd tier bowl and usually attracts a decent match up. It has not been a sellout in years. But one of the highest paying games they have had was the 1/1/03 Notre Dame vs NC State Game. The "reported" attendance was 73,491 this stadium has the "capacity" to seat near 90,000. I was at that game and can tell you that there was no way there were 73k people there. But this game had the highest revenue EVER in Gator Bowl history because of the television deal they got because of ND.
So if you had lets say a 24 team playoff starting in late December you would have almost certainly sellouts at each venue but beyond that the network TV people will be clamoring to have broadcast rights to the games. |
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| cycler15 |
2 big games this weekend:
#1 Ohio State at #2 Texas
#19 Penn State at #4 Notre Dame
I'm thinking Ohio State will win. Texas plays a true freshman at QB and although he played well last week, that was against a divisional school.
I hope Penn State wins. I think Notre Dame is over-rated, they barely edged unranked Georgia Tech and their offense didn't look that great. |
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| socalJD |
| One4gatr, simple question for you, ever play organized tackle football (high school, college, semi pro) ? If you have, then you know it's virtually impossible for student athletes to compete in a 24 team (or more) playoff format. This is not like basketball or baseball where you can play several games in one week. The NCAA football playoff format has been voted down by just about every division I college AD, and there's good reason for it. The current bowl system, altho somewhat diluted, allows over 100 teams to participate, which gives every team in every conference an incentive to have a winning season. The bowl games, whether BCS or 3rd tier, provides revenue to the teams that play in them and to their respective conferences - and make no mistake about it, football is the #1 revenue source for many colleges. It only adds 1 add'l game to the already busy & complicated schedule for student atheletes. A playoff system of any sort will take revenue away from the lesser programs in lesser conferences - what next revenue sharing ? Try to get ND to agree to that, remember they negotiated their own TV contract and BCS agreement - they will never share their revenue. Bottom line, the Bowl system works, and a playoff format will not for NCAA division I football. |
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| socalJD |
quote:
Originally posted by cycler15
2 big games this weekend:
#1 Ohio State at #2 Texas
#19 Penn State at #4 Notre Dame
I'm thinking Ohio State will win. Texas plays a true freshman at QB and although he played well last week, that was against a divisional school.
I hope Penn State wins. I think Notre Dame is over-rated, they barely edged unranked Georgia Tech and their offense didn't look that great.
I disagree. Ohio State is overrated. Texas has better team speed and athletes up & down the roster. Playing at home is a huge advantage for UT. It'll be close, but I like Texas at home - Austin is a college town and everyone will show up in their burnt orange. :rolleyes:
As for ND, I want them to win. In fact I want them ranked #1 and undefeated when we play them in November. Nothing sweeter than taking down an unbeaten, #1 ranked ND team at home in the Coliseum . . . :cool: |
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| cycler15 |
quote:
Originally posted by socalJD
As for ND, I want them to win. In fact I want them ranked #1 and undefeated when we play them in November. Nothing sweeter than taking down an unbeaten, #1 ranked ND team at home in the Coliseum . . . :cool:
I'd rather have Notre Dame be 8-4 at the end of the season and not get invited to a BCS bowl. I hate how they have their own BCS contract where they get all the money and don't have to share. |
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| one4gatr |
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One4gatr, simple question for you, ever play organized tackle football (high school, college, semi pro) ?
Uh... Yeah I have. Played up until college. Played in local and state championships too.
So you say it cant be reasonably done huh? Then how come Division I-AA can do it? They have FAR less resources and facilities the I-A. Heres a link for you: http://www.i-aa.org/article.asp?articleid=37174
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which gives every team in every conference an incentive to have a winning season
The bowl games are SO diluted they have been recently inviting teams with LOSING records.
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to the already busy & complicated schedule for student athletes
You are kidding right? As you are probably well aware most MAJOR schools athletes are well provided for such as "private tutors" etc...
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what next revenue sharing ?
Already happening. See my previous post.
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Try to get ND to agree to that
Lol... I dont know what pictures they had of the exec when they signed that TV contract. It reminds me of the Herschel Walker deal. You wont see that happen again.
The smaller tier bowls are already going away. They just dont generate enough revenue anymore. The days are gone where the fans travel en mass (except a few schools anymore) when all you have to do is to turn on the dish and watch it on TV. Most of the revenue for bowl games is generated by TV contracts. |
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| one4gatr |
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Originally posted by socalJD
I disagree. Ohio State is overrated. Texas has better team speed and athletes up & down the roster. Playing at home is a huge advantage for UT. It'll be close, but I like Texas at home - Austin is a college town and everyone will show up in their burnt orange. :rolleyes:
As for ND, I want them to win. In fact I want them ranked #1 and undefeated when we play them in November. Nothing sweeter than taking down an unbeaten, #1 ranked ND team at home in the Coliseum . . . :cool:
You have the right idea... alot Florida and FSU fans root for the rival to lose all year long. This is stupid because for strength of schedule you would much rather beat a highly ranked undefeated team. It also makes it a sweeter win when you crush their national title aspirations in the process. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by one4gatr
Uh... Yeah I have. Played up until college. Played in local and state championships too.
You played in college, right ? How did you feel on sunday & monday after a game (assuming you were not a 3rd string punter) ? The bowl (or playoffs) season occurs for most schools during their midterms or finals, how do you think you would fare if you had to practice and prepare for playoff games (potential 5 gms under a 32 team format) in addition to studies, holidays, etc. I'm not talking just about the football factories, but all div I schools, including those more known for their academics like Stanford, Northwestern, etc, etc. Remember, it's the university presidents & ADs that are voting down the playoffs format, not you & me or the casual football fan . . . |
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| one4gatr |
Until college not in. I understand your point about the physical impact and toll it takes on your body. I was just reminded of how mortal I am after some major surgery at 35 years old. Did you look at the Div I-AA format I linked to? You end up shortening the regular season so its not like you are adding a bunch of "extra" games. Play your conference schedule, no patsies, do your conference championships, do your playoffs, finish in mid January.
As to midterms and finals... they are already cutting into that. What about other sports like basketball where they are playing 3 to 4 games a week and sometimes 3 games over a weekend span? I dont know about you but my body recovered a hell of alot better at 20 then it does now.
My point is I-AA can do it so can I-A. Its all about the revenue sharing. Right now the conferences only share within the members of said conference with the championship game and with the auto bid to the BCS your winner cleans up.
With a playoff system it would actually generate more total revenue but be distributed to a much smaller group (i.e. 16,24,32, etc...) which is why it will never be adopted across the board. But I have maintained forever that Div I-A has way too many teams. They need to form a "super alliance" with like the top 40 schools and duke it out. Lets face it the Akron Zips aren't going to be in the Fiesta bowl anytime soon. Split them off and let the semi pro (major colleges) do their thing. |
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| BLACK-BLING-MDX |
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Originally posted by socalJD
I disagree. Ohio State is overrated. Texas has better team speed and athletes up & down the roster. Playing at home is a huge advantage for UT. It'll be close, but I like Texas at home - Austin is a college town and everyone will show up in their burnt orange. :rolleyes:
As for ND, I want them to win. In fact I want them ranked #1 and undefeated when we play them in November. Nothing sweeter than taking down an unbeaten, #1 ranked ND team at home in the Coliseum . . . :cool:
Eat it socal. USC is overrated, Texas is overrated, ND is overrated, PSU is overrated. But the Buckeyes are not. If it wasn't for the loss to Texas last year (which shouldn't have been a loss if Smith was in the whole game), we would have contended for the national championship and thrashed USC in the Rose Bowl.
Personally, I don't feel that Leinart was that great of a quarterback, USC had a VERY WEAK schedule, and the Pac-10 sucks. Don't bother arguing otherwise, you won't convince me. I think the SEC and the Big-10 have the best teams in the nation. Although I do hear that your two new quarterbacks are supposed to be pretty good... we'll see what comes of that when USC plays a good team.
Auburn is 4th and no one is talking about them. No one ever talks about them. Can they contend with the big guys? Oklahoma seems to be moving up and up with Adrian Peterson and his Heisman run, although, he will not win it. It will be Troy Smith who will win the Heisman, especially after a performance like this.
Hands down, Buckeyes have one of the toughest schedules in the nation, and will be placed #1 at the end of the season bar any loss to Michigan.
All in all I think there is too much Notre Dame hype with their storied legacy/tradition/ crap they throw at you. Yeah, tradition is great, but that doesn't win national championships. I think the Buckeyes are a better all around team and will take it all the way this year. The defense is shaky, and our run-defense needs lots of work, but after watching tonight's game, our secondary is solid. We only let up 7 points to the Longhorns when many were expecting a shootout between these two teams. I think the scoreboard speaks volumes for our defensive effort. Yeah, we gave up some big runs, but Texas had an innumberable amount of three and outs and they could never capitalize on any of their big plays and finish out drives.
The score should have actually been 24-3 because that helmet-helmet call was bull****.
Buckeyes trounced #2 Longhorns.
#2 at the end of the season? Auburn? ND? Oklahoma? WVU?
I don't think it'll be USC. If the analysts predicted Arkansas to be a tough game, what do you think they'll say when you guys actually play a ranked team next week?
See you at the BCS National Championship game.
#1 OSU vs. #2 ND
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by BLACK-BLING-MDX
Don't bother arguing otherwise, you won't convince me.
LOL.... good one.
Notre Dame won't be in the national championship game because USC will beat them.
I say USC over Ohio State for the National Championship.
Don't bother arguing otherwise, you won't convince me. :D |
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| buckeye1 |
I hope all of the Texas supporters were
watching last night.As I said in my post earlier in the year
the BUCKEYES will make it to the National
Championship after disposing of the Longhorns.
GO BUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| carguy1234 |
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Originally posted by buckeye1
I hope all of the Texas supporters were
watching last night.As I said in my post earlier in the year
the BUCKEYES will make it to the National
Championship after disposing of the Longhorns.
GO BUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, that game pretty much writes off Texas this year, but I wonder if OSU can run the table in conference play? Those games aren't easy, especially on the road.
The game yesterday that surprised me was ND VS Penn State. I though PSU would have more this year. Don't know if they are really that bad, or if ND can play that good when they want too.......but they were mediocre last week against GT. Go figure. |
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| screbr |
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Originally posted by carguy1234
The game yesterday that surprised me was ND VS Penn State. I though PSU would have more this year. Don't know if they are really that bad, or if ND can play that good when they want too.......but they were mediocre last week against GT. Go figure.
So much talk about who's overrated.....GT is way underrated, especially their D. They've proven for the past several years that they can show up and play with (and beat) the big boys.
They just have <I>slight</I> problem with consistency......
OSU looked <B>strong</B> Saturday night. |
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| one4gatr |
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Originally posted by carguy1234
Yeah, that game pretty much writes off Texas this year, but I wonder if OSU can run the table in conference play? Those games aren't easy, especially on the road.
The game yesterday that surprised me was ND VS Penn State. I though PSU would have more this year. Don't know if they are really that bad, or if ND can play that good when they want too.......but they were mediocre last week against GT. Go figure.
I wouldnt count Texas out just yet... They do have the extra conference championship game that could boost them back in there depending on what happens to everyone else.
The biggest problem is you have to keep your fingers crossed and hope people in front of you fall out... |
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| cycler15 |
Today is a HUGE day for college football. 7 games between teams in the top 25.
#11 Michigan at #2 Notre Dame
#6 LSU at #3 Auburn
#19 Nebraska at #4 USC
#7 Florida at #13 Tennessee
#17 Miami at #12 Louisville
#15 Oklahoma at #18 Oregon
#24 Texas Tech at #20 TCU |
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| one4gatr |
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Originally posted by cycler15
Today is a HUGE day for college football. 7 games between teams in the top 25.
#11 Michigan at #2 Notre Dame
#6 LSU at #3 Auburn
#19 Nebraska at #4 USC
#7 Florida at #13 Tennessee
#17 Miami at #12 Louisville
#15 Oklahoma at #18 Oregon
#24 Texas Tech at #20 TCU
....and there was alot of seperation yesterday...WOW! |
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| BLACK-BLING-MDX |
| I TOLD YOU ND WAS OVERRATED. |
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| buckeye1 |
Could not agree more about ND.Nothing
has changed since OSU blew them
out.Thet cant play defense when they have NO SPEED
of there own.Say all you want but until
ND can recruit players that can RUN their defense
is a piece of cake for the REAL college football
teams that they play.GO BUCKS!!!!!!l |
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| cycler15 |
| Auburn and USC are ranked #2 or #3 in both polls. Will be interesting to see if both win out who will make the BCS Title game. |
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| one4gatr |
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Originally posted by cycler15
Auburn and USC are ranked #2 or #3 in both polls. Will be interesting to see if both win out who will make the BCS Title game.
I think you know my opinion on this one. One extra game versus a likely top 10 to 15 (UF, GA, Tenn) opponent in December I think Auburn would have the edge although USC could make it based upon its recent history. |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by cycler15
Auburn and USC are ranked #2 or #3 in both polls. Will be interesting to see if both win out who will make the BCS Title game.
If Ohio St loses a game, it won't matter - they can face each other in the BCS title game . . . :D |
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| A2MDXer |
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Originally posted by cycler15
Notre Dame won't be in the national championship game because USC will beat them.
Sorry, another team beat you to it. Go Blue! |
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by A2MDXer
Sorry, another team beat you to it. Go Blue!
I'm glad another team did. Notre Dame will always be the most over-rated team in the country because the media loves them. They love the tradition, they love the tv ratings, they love the hype, they love touchdown Jesus.
Charlie Weis is a great coach, give him another 2 years to recruit and they will probably be in the national title hunt every year. But right now he doesn't have the athletes to compete with the top teams. |
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| cycler15 |
Notre Dame is so damn lucky to beat Michigan State. Down by 16 in the 4th qtr and they go on to win. Michigan State totally choked.
USC's defense looks dominating. They held Arizona to around 150 total yards and negative rushing yards. |
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| A2MDXer |
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Originally posted by cycler15
I'm glad another team did. Notre Dame will always be the most over-rated team in the country because the media loves them. They love the tradition, they love the tv ratings, they love the hype, they love touchdown Jesus.
Charlie Weis is a great coach, give him another 2 years to recruit and they will probably be in the national title hunt every year. But right now he doesn't have the athletes to compete with the top teams.
I think you are right about that but I have noticed a few things about ND this year that seem peculiar for a team with a "coaching genius." The inability for the defense to adjust (see Michigan and Mich. State), the high number of penalties (ND is one of the most penalized teams) and the inability to develop a running game (granted the O line is not great but Walker is a pretty good back). It just seems that ND is making as many mental mistakes as physical (and that might go to coaching more than talent). I guess time will tell - he is not going anywhere with the 10 year contract. |
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Originally posted by A2MDXer
I guess time will tell - he is not going anywhere with the 10 year contract.
Plus there is no way in hell he deserved a new 10 year contract in the middle of his first year. He gets the contract and loses to USC and Ohio State.
Tyronne Willingham also went 10-2 his first year at ND. Did he even get a whiff of a new contract? Nope. |
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| A2MDXer |
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Originally posted by cycler15
Plus there is no way in hell he deserved a new 10 year contract in the middle of his first year. He gets the contract and loses to USC and Ohio State.
Tyronne Willingham also went 10-2 his first year at ND. Did he even get a whiff of a new contract? Nope.
Agreed but I guess that's the going rate for a "coaching genius." :p
I say that because the media apparently believes he is a genius.
BTW, Willingham went 10-3 with the bowl game, a stat I notice because since 1993:
1. ND has not won a bowl game and
2. ND has not had a season with less than 3 losses.
These stats came up during the Michigan pre-game week.:D |
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| A2MDXer |
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Originally posted by cycler15
Notre Dame is so damn lucky to beat Michigan State. Down by 16 in the 4th qtr and they go on to win. Michigan State totally choked.
USC's defense looks dominating. They held Arizona to around 150 total yards and negative rushing yards.
Hey, Michigan would love to get another shot at USC after losing to them in the Rose Bowl. How about we see you in the national title game, OK? Both defenses are playing great.
I think USC has a great shot getting there. Michigan would need quite a run to get there (Iowa, Mich State, Penn State and of course, at Ohio State) still on the schedule:eek: |
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by A2MDXer
How about we see you in the national title game, OK?
We'll do our best to win out... :D |
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by A2MDXer
. . . Michigan would love to get another shot at USC after losing to them in the Rose Bowl. How about we see you in the national Title game . . .
Be careful what you wish for - just ask Bo about facing USC in bowl games . . . ;) |
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| A2MDXer |
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Originally posted by socalJD
Be careful what you wish for - just ask Bo about facing USC in bowl games . . . ;)
Hey I know USC looks tough but honestly I will take my chances in the title game every year. USC could be really tough by the end of the year as the offense continues to develop (although Michigan's defense looks rock solid this year as well). |
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| cycler15 |
| What if Ohio State/Michigan, USC, Auburn/Florida, and West Virginia win out. Who goes to the BCS title game? |
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| buckeye1 |
I'm not sure what you are asking,
because OSU plays Michigan and Florida plays Auburn,so not all
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| cycler15 |
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Originally posted by buckeye1
I'm not sure what you are asking,
because OSU plays Michigan and Florida plays Auburn,so not all
of these teams can go undefeated.
That's why I put "Ohio Sate/Michigan" instead of Ohio State, Michigan, etc. Either one will will out, not both. |
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Since the top 2 teams in the final BCS poll are determined by a formula using two other polls plus a composite computer ranking, there is no way to discern the top two other than ones guess as to which two teams will be undefeated and also play the toughest schedule amongst these teams.
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_explained.html
It would just be easier to let Notre Dame play the t | | | |
