| chines867 |
I have been researching this issue concerning the transmissions. I have some informaiton on the recalls posted at WWW.NHTSA.DOT.GOV. Recalls Summary
Make / Models : Model/Build Years:
ACURA / 3.2CL 2001-2003
ACURA / 3.2TL 2000-2004
ACURA / MDX 2001-2002
HONDA / ACCORD 2003-2004
HONDA / ODYSSEY 2002-2004
HONDA / PILOT 2003-2004
Recall Number: 04V176000
Summary:
ON SOME MINI VANS, SPORT UTILITY AND PASSENGER VEHICLES, CERTAIN OPERATING CONDITIONS CAN RESULT IN HEAT BUILD-UP BETWEEN THE COUNTERSHAFT AND SECONDARY SHAFT SECOND GEARS IN THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION, EVENTUALLY LEADING TO GEAR TOOTH CHIPPING OR GEAR BREAKAGE.
Consequence:
GEAR FAILURE COULD RESULT IN TRANSMISSION LOCKUP, WHICH COULD RESULT IN A CRASH.
Remedy:
ON VEHICLES WITH 15,000 MILES OR LESS, THE DEALER WILL UPDATE THE TRANSMISSION WITH A SIMPLE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE TO INCREASE LUBRICATION TO THE SECOND GEAR. ON VEHICLES WITH MORE THAN 15,000 MILES, THE DEALER WILL INSPECT THE TRANSMISSION TO IDENTIFY GEARS THAT HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED DISCOLORATION DUE TO OVERHEATING. IF DISCOLORATION EXISTS, THE TRANSMISSION WILL BE REPLACED IF DISCOLORATION IS NOT PRESENT, THE DEALER WILL PERFORM THE REVISION TO THE OIL COOLER RETURN LINE. THE RECALL BEGAN ON APRIL 21, 2004, FOR PILOT, ODYSSEY, AND MDX OWNERS. OWNERS OF THE ACCORD VEHICLES WILL START RECEIVING LETTERS ON JUNE 28, 2004, AND ON JUNE 29, 2004, FOR OWNERS OF THE TL AND CL VEHICLES. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT HONDA AT 1-800-999-1009 OR ACURA AT 1-800-382-2238.
Notes:
HONDA RECALL NOS. P30 (ODYSSEY AND PILOT), P31 (MDX), P38 (ACCORD) AND P39 (ACURA). CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO CONTACT THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION’S AUTO SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-DASH-2-DOT (1-888-327-4236).
Not sure if your having this problem but if you are, The number is listed. |
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| JL_SS |
| 2001/2002 Tranny issues are a well documented issue here. Having the recall mods performed does not really improve your chances of tranny failure for these model years. If you search you will find numerous threads discussing the issues and recall. The MDX tranny was redesigned in 2003 reducing the number of tranny problems to well within industry norms for 2003 and well above industry norms for 2004 and up. |
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| chines867 |
| I take it that you work for Honda Motors Corporation. Your the same person that keep asking me questions like are you the second or third owner, Do you tow with this vehicle. You must work for honda. I know what this vehicle is doing and what the transmisson fluid looks like when I change it. I don't drive the X's far and I take care of my vehicle. |
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| chines867 |
| The only thing that I am pointing out by posting the theard is that 2001-2004 the honda/acura vehicles have been having problems with the transmissions. But 2003-2004 MDX problems have been solved right. Unless than one year they fixed the problem. |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by chines867
I take it that you work for Honda Motors Corporation. Your the same person that keep asking me questions like are you the second or third owner, Do you tow with this vehicle. You must work for honda. I know what this vehicle is doing and what the transmisson fluid looks like when I change it. I don't drive the X's far and I take care of my vehicle.
I never asked you those questions so you must have me confused with someone else. I do not work for Honda, I can, however, read consumer reports and their complaint rates. It looks like you have a 2003 from previous posts. If that is the case, then the 2003 has a transmission problem rate of less than 2% and you are in that 2%. And that figure comes from surveys from real owners not from Honda/Acura. To put it in perspective, that rate is much better than say a Mercedes M Class or VW Touareg which have a much higher transmission problem rates. The 2005 Toyota Sequoia has a less than 2% tranny problem rating also - the same as the 2003 MDX. |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by chines867
The only thing that I am pointing out by posting the theard is that 2001-2004 the honda/acura vehicles have been having problems with the transmissions. But 2003-2004 MDX problems have been solved right. Unless than one year they fixed the problem.
The 2001/2002 model years have a much higher than normal failure rate. The transmission was significantly redesigned in 2003, resulting in the less than 2% problem rate. I am guessing that further minor changes resulted in the less than 1% problem rating for the 2004/up model years. |
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| chines867 |
If you’re not the same person that has asked me questions in the past concerning my MDX then I due apologize for accusing you of doing so. I would also like to point out that I’m also a member of Consumer Reports. The information that is being provided there is biased of people that respond to the Consumer Reports survey that is done on an annual basis, not everyone responds and not everyone is a member of Consumer Reports. The following information is also provided on the top page of that report, it’s a report of the reliability rating and how Consumer Reports calculates the ratings. Details are provided in the Reliability History Section. It’s also why sites like Acuramdx.org are so important to all of us. December 2006
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Engine cooling: Radiator, cooling fan, water pump, thermostat, coolant leaks, overheating.
Transmission (and clutch): Transmission rebuild or replacement, gear selector and linkage, coolers and lines, transmission computer, clutch adjustment or replacement.
Drive system: Driveshaft, joints, axle(s), differential, wheel bearings, four-wheel-drive components, traction control, stability-control system, driveline vibration, electrical failure.
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Brakes: Antilock system (ABS), parking brake, pulsation or vibration, squeaking, premature wear, failure.
Exhaust: Exhaust manifold, muffler, catalytic converter, pipes.
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Audio system: Radio, CD player or changer, cassette player, satellite radio, navigation or entertainment system.
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From "better to worse"
AVERAGE PROBLEM RATES
TROUBLE SPOTS 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04 05 06
Engine major 4% 4% 3% 3% 2% 1% 1% 1% <1% <1%
Engine minor 12 10 10 9 8 5 3 2 2 1
Engine cooling 9 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1 <1
Transmission 7 6 6 5 5 4 3 2 2 1
Drive system 5 5 6 5 5 4 3 3 2 1
Fuel system 7 7 7 7 6 4 3 2 2 1
Electrical 12 12 11 10 9 8 7 5 4 2
Climate system 12 10 8 6 6 5 3 2 2 1
Suspension 8 7 7 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Brakes 10 10 10 10 9 8 7 5 3 1
Exhaust system 5 4 4 3 2 2 1 1 <1 <1
Paint/trim 8 6 5 5 4 3 3 2 2 1
Body Integrity 8 8 7 7 7 6 6 5 4 2
Body Hardware 8 8 7 7 6 5 5 4 3 1
Power equip. 9 9 10 9 8 6 5 4 3 1
Audio system 6 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 3 2
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| JL_SS |
quote:
Originally posted by chines867
If you’re not the same person that has asked me questions in the past concerning my MDX then I due apologize for accusing you of doing so. I would also like to point out that I’m also a member of Consumer Reports. The information that is being provided there is biased of people that respond to the Consumer Reports survey that is done on an annual basis, not everyone responds and not everyone is a member of Consumer Reports. The following information is also provided on the top page of that report, it’s a report of the reliability rating and how Consumer Reports calculates the ratings. Details are provided in the Reliability History Section. It’s also why sites like Acuramdx.org are so important to all of us.
So far Consumer Reports reliabilty results have reflected my own/friends/coworkers/relatives/etc experiences very well. In any survey or medium, those who have problems are more likely to respond than those having no problems. That would lead to problems being over represented in the reliability summaries. This forum is the same way - people with problems seek out an internet forum to discuss their problems. So a few people discussing a problem can result in a thread that looks like it is a huge problem. And this forum represents less than 2% of owners.
In regards to transmission failures reported on this site, you will find plenty of 2001/2002s and very few 2003s which is reflected in the CR results. |
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