| Roxpert |
First time poster here on this forum. Trying to decide between these two vehicles.
I think I like MDX more, but it's 6" wider and much longer, bad for a tight parking space at my office garage. I own a '99 RX 300 that's smaller and narrower yet, with 110k miles on it, so I trust Lexus. My wife wants a smooth and quiet ride, and Lexus has the edge there.
So my biggest single concern is the bulk and maneuverability in tight spots. Pricing issues not important as they are similar.
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| wineman5 |
Seems like you've answered your own questions. You like MDX but all things RX are more appropriate for your needs.
Would you like me to justify the cooler, more fun ride of the MDX to make it easier for you?
Its OK to like the RX. Some people like that quiet, soft ride. :) |
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| Roxpert |
On the verge of buying the RX 350, but I can change my mind on a dime. I like taking long roadtrips, so comfy seating and quiet and smooth rides are important for me and my wife.
HOWEVER, we test drove an MDX, and my wife seemed fine with it in a short 10 miles ride. I happen to love gadgetry, and MDX comes with more tech. such as the active damper system in the sport model, and XM radio included with Nav Traffic.
This is why it's so hard to make a final decision, and why I started this thread. My only real worry is the bulkiness and fitting in tight spots, which is why I'm leaning toward the RX. How do you finding parking and driving around on tight roads and narrow lanes? Is it at all worrisome that you may hit the side against something? |
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| LionSpeed |
Like you, I was considering the RX at first. After the test drive, everything changes. The RX was sluggish, nose dives when brake, poor rear visibility, much crampier than the X, too plastic looking interior, low res NAV LCD ... the list goes on and on.
As far as maneuverability in tight spots, it may rely on the person behind the wheel. On the other hand, it sounds like the decision has been made by your office garage and the wify...
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| Roxpert |
| Really didn't know that the NAV res is better on the X. I'm near-sighted and use reading glasses while wearing contacts and reading. Obviously not wearing those glasses when driving. Would it be much easier to read the NAV info on the X than the RX? That's something I haven't considered. |
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| wineman5 |
| Nah, just a matter of getting used to it. If you want the space of the larger vehicle and like the toys go for it. If the size freaks you out, you can't go wrong with another RX. |
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| sharkfans |
| The X is quite nimble. Take a test drive and you'll see it doesn't drive as big as it looks. Plus, the MDX seats are more comfortable than the RX, IMO. And as far as gadgetry, I think the X's tech package is hard to beat. Good luck with your purchase... they're both great vehicles! |
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| JeffK |
Just received the July, 2007 Consumer Reports evaluation of both the RX and the MDX.
Both received identical scores of 80: But they were major differences.
Quoting from Consumer Reports:
"The RX 350 and MDX also have very different driving characters. Which one is better for you is a matter of personal preference.
The Rx is a luxurious and comfortable vehicle that has always done well in our tests. It new V6 engine delivers the quickest acceleration and the best fuel economy in this group, at 19 mpg overall. But the Rx isn't agile or particularly fun to drive. So drivers who prefer a cushy ride and who don't need seating for more than five might prefer the RX.
The MDX has better handling and a powertrain that feels sportier than the Lexus, but a firmer ride. Some of our staff preferred driving it to the RX. If responsive handling or a third-row seat is a high priority, the MDX might be a better choice for you."
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| MDX4now |
While this wouldn't bother me too much (I got my 2006 3 months before the new 2007's came out), the RX350 is due for a redesign very soon.
The new MDX has another 4-5 years left in the design. |
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| astrobooger |
| ive squeezed into some incredibly tight spaces with my X. once i got familiar with its size which didnt take very long i was able to austin powers my way in because of its maneuverability. since you've already owned an RX maybe you should try something different? |
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| dj-mdx2 |
You can take up 2 parking spaces in your garage. :D
Seriously, once you get used to the width of the X, it doesn't feel unwieldy at all. But then again I've been driving a 2001 X so I'm used to it by now. The 07 is technically wider but not by much.
As mentioned, the 07 is a redesign and will not feel dated for the next 5 years, whereas the RX is due for a redesign in 2009, if you care for that sort of thing. The new RX is also supposed to be bigger and might have a third row.
Luxury level and ride are subjective to some extent, so it really depends on how much handling and sportiness you expect out of an SUV. |
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| dj-mdx2 |
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Originally posted by astrobooger
ive squeezed into some incredibly tight spaces with my X. once i got familiar with its size which didnt take very long
This could be interpreted in a different way.:2: |
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| Blackura |
From CR:
Which is considerable faster?
Zero to 60:
RX350: 7.3 seconds MDX: 8.0 seconds
Will it fit in your garage?
Length:
RX350: 186 MDX 191 (MDX 5 inches longer)
Width:
RX350: 73 in. MDX: 79 in. (MDX 6 inches wider)
Height:
Both: 66 in. (same height)
The new MDX is wider than the old one (I had an 03 and it *just barely fit* my garage with 3 inches on either side of the mirrors). The new one would probably involve getting out and folding in the mirrors before entering the garage, or driving while very sober. :-)
As for the NAV resolution mentioned above, the 08 Lexus screen is a new system, far better than the 07 and 06 Lexus. Not sure how it compares to the MDX, but I believe the MDX has XM traffic built in and the RX does not. I have XM Traffic in my 05 Acura RL and while technically it does work, I find it's pretty much worthless. By the time XM reports an accident, it's cleared up, and when an accident happens, they don't have the info yet.
One other thing to consider. I've sworn off buying any more cars that are in their first year cycle. Sick of recalls. I'll wait until version 2.0 or 3.0 when they perfect it (the second or third year).
Hope this helps with your decision. Both are excellent, but for totally different reasons. Good luck! |
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| JL_SS |
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Originally posted by Blackura
The new MDX is wider than the old one (I had an 03 and it *just barely fit* my garage with 3 inches on either side of the mirrors). The new one would probably involve getting out and folding in the mirrors before entering the garage, or driving while very sober. :-)
The MDX still doesn't have power folding mirrors? It's a must on wide vehicles. Our Crew Cab Chevy Silverado even has them. Our garage has 8 ft wide doors and I would have to get out and fold both mirrors on the Chevy to pull it in if it didn't have Power folding mirrors. Instead I just push a button and glide right in. |
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| Blackura |
I don't know about the new MDX's. My company had a 1990 Isuzu Trooper (which would later became the Acura SLX) that had them. Thought it was a great idea. Surprised they never became an industry wide standard.
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Originally posted by JL_SS
The MDX still doesn't have power folding mirrors? It's a must on wide vehicles. Our Crew Cab Chevy Silverado even has them. Our garage has 8 ft wide doors and I would have to get out and fold both mirrors on the Chevy to pull it in if it didn't have Power folding mirrors. Instead I just push a button and glide right in.
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| NewVMan |
| No folding mirrors on new MDX. A little annoying as the car is very wide, and our last car (volvo XC90 V8) had them. |
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| Roxpert |
I see some great feedback here, and appreciate it. I'll be sure to go pick up the July CR at a bookstore today, and read the article.
Still concerned about the width. Perhaps I should take one out on a test drive again, and try to park it in those tight spaces I am referring to, but then again I'd be concerned that I could graze a post with the demo, and wouldn't want to do that!
My biggest problem with the RX 350? I see SO MANY of them along with the 330's and older 300's on the roads here in Denver, there almost doesn't seem to be anything special about them. That's a testament to their popularity, but hardly to their "exclusivity". On the other hand, I have seen very few of the '07 MDX's, so they are head-turners when they are seen around town. But it also makes me wonder if the cars are selling well in the Denver area.
BTW, the Lexus sales guy I'm dealing with insists that this is NOT the final year for the RX 350's current design. He's saying the 2009 model will be the same design, and that the redesign is coming with the 2010 model year (which would be introduced in early 2009). When I told him I'm reading otherwise from multiple sources on the internet, he said those sources aren't reliable and we shouldn't believe them. Is he all wet? |
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| BaldEagle |
The width of the MDX is one of the reasons it does so well in the rollover tests. The wide track makes it less likely to roll, unlike most SUV's.
The width also means more room in the inside. Sat in an XC90 onetime and felt cramped.
The wife and I have had no issues parking the wider MDX. But then one of my other vehicles is 102" wide. (and 40 ft long):eek: |
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| JL_SS |
quote:
Originally posted by MDX4now
While this wouldn't bother me too much (I got my 2006 3 months before the new 2007's came out), the RX350 is due for a redesign very soon.
The new MDX has another 4-5 years left in the design.
But also keep in mind that the the 2007 is the first model year into the redesign, there are a number of people posting fitment problems. |
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| stoke2 |
i have poor depth perception and have rubbed my driver's side mirror against the side of my garage entry about five times. it IS a wide car, but honestly, i wouldn't have gone any other way. i test drove the RX400h (basically the same thing) and i preferred the MDX. i really do like the lexus, it's a great car and i really wanted a hybrid, but the comfort and outdated look made me go for the MDX.
it's a personal choice, but i think you're on the right track by going back to test drive them and see which one works best.
for me, it came down to deciding between the ml350, the rx400h and the MDX. i drove them back to back to back one day and my decision was clear. |
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| drjay |
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Originally posted by stoke2
... it's a personal choice, but i think you're on the right track by going back to test drive them and see which one works best.
Roxpert, it sounds like you've gathered all the information you need to make an informed choice (including the CR comparison). Like stoke2, I also think it's a good idea to do another test drive. For what it's worth, I test-drove the RX 350 and MDX back to back, in addition to the BMW X5. Given my needs and preferences, the MDX was the clear choice, hands-down.
Good luck. Let us know what you decide to do. |
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| Roxpert |
OK, I have completed my study of this, the test drives, and my deliberation. Like any good juror in a trial, I have looked at the evidence on both sides. Here is what I believe are the most salient points and their importance (major or minor) to me...
Lexus 2008 AWD RX 350 advantages over MDX -
1. Smaller size easier to park - major
2. Ride is smoother and quieter - major
3. Looks are more sleek - major
4. Proven design in 5th year with kinks worked out - minor
5. Power liftgate comes standard - minor
6. Gas mileage probably 2 MPG better - minor
7. May be slightly more reliable and I trust Lexus - minor
8. Comes with auto-dimming defogging side view mirrors, unlike MDX - minor
9. Comes with auto-dimming rearview mirror, extra on MDX - minor
10.Rear camera probably a little better and quicker - minor
11.Extra thick windshield laminated for soundproofing - minor
12.Better materials like real wood, thicker sheet metal, thicker clear coat - minor
Acura 2007 MDX advantages over RX -
1. Size/safety features makes it slightly safer - major
2. The latest technology: handling with SH-AWD and gadgets - major
3. Slightly more comfortable front seat - minor
4. XM factory installed - minor
5. MP3 jack factory installed - minor
6. Sport package active damper suspension w/ perforated seats available - minor
7. Navigation system and voice command system probably better - minor
8. Stereo system with Tech or Sport package is superior - minor
9.More controls on the steering wheel - minor
10.Equivalent "Technology" package about $2k less - minor
11.Newer design will keep this model looking fresher longer - minor
12.Fewer of these on the road, so they turn heads - minor
The best offer I have for an MDX here in Colorado is $800 over invoice of $42,004, or $42,804. I can also get the Tech package for $800 over invoice, or $40,903. That's about $2,000 below a similarly equipped RX 350 (after factoring in XM installation, etc.).
Having said that, my deliberation has concluded that the RX 350 better suits my needs than the MDX, though I really like the latter's technology. I can get the RX locally for $1,000 over invoice or maybe slightly better, so that's what I believe I'll end up doing. Lexus by a whisker! |
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| drjay |
| Thanks for the analysis. Enjoy your Lexus! |
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| acuramdx300 |
| I think if you really don't want that size of the MDX, the Lexus is a good car. Enjoy it! |
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| oracion |
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Originally posted by NewVMan
No folding mirrors on new MDX. A little annoying as the car is very wide, and our last car (volvo XC90 V8) had them.
Maybe it's one of those things that Acura will include as new features in the '09 or '10 model. There seems to be additional features added starting from the 3rd year model of each generation. |
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| BaldEagle |
| 01 thru 06 had them (folding mirrors) I think, at least I know for sure the 02 does. I fold mine back when towing so they do not get hit by rocks. |
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| dj-mdx2 |
quote:
Originally posted by BaldEagle
01 thru 06 had them (folding mirrors) I think, at least I know for sure the 02 does. I fold mine back when towing so they do not get hit by rocks.
I think they're talking about power folding mirrors. |
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| G. COLTON |
It only took for me to have one ride in the Lexus to decide that it was far too small and cramped. I do not like to feel shut in when I am in a vehicle. (Yeah, I know I used to drive small sport cars, but there I could put the top down. Even drove the little Fiat Osca from Lubbock Texas to Palm Beach and back.)
I have never found a situation with the MDX where I felt like I was having a problem getting into a parking space. Yes, it is wide, but its short length is what enables it to make the sharp turn to get into the parking space.
Regardless of what others may think, the final decision must be made by you based upon what you are comfortable with.
Good driving.
G |
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| wessew |
| Very interesting analysis. Good luck with your decision. My take on the perspective is that the MDX has a major advantage in terms of handling. I found the RX 350 to be too softly sprung and with far too much lean in turns. Also, there is a very substantial difference in terms of the quality of the audio system. The RX 350 ML audio system does not have a subwoofer and it makes no provision for handling an MP3 player with an aux input. Power output is only 210 watts. |
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| gmc74 |
quote:
Originally posted by JL_SS
The MDX still doesn't have power folding mirrors? It's a must on wide vehicles. Our Crew Cab Chevy Silverado even has them. Our garage has 8 ft wide doors and I would have to get out and fold both mirrors on the Chevy to pull it in if it didn't have Power folding mirrors. Instead I just push a button and glide right in.
Oddly enough, my 04 Maxima had them, I thought it was a stupid feature, but maybe my garage is a bit bigger than others |
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| alsea |
| Decision choices are very unique. I did a very similar comparison & agree with most of the poster’s comments/ratings. Prior to my final decision, I asked a good friend, who is also an accomplished SCCA racer, if he had any first hand knowledge of the Lexus. He quickly said “…yes, my wife drives one”. The next day I purchased my MDX. |
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| hipcheck |
quote:
Originally posted by gmc74
Oddly enough, my 04 Maxima had them, I thought it was a stupid feature, but maybe my garage is a bit bigger than others
My BMW X5s had them. They also automatically looked down when backing up.
Problem was the dang things didn't always work right, sometimes they got stuck and other times got loose. I do not miss them at all. |
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| Heat00 |
quote:
Originally posted by acuramdx300
I think if you really don't want that size of the MDX, the Lexus is a good car. Enjoy it!
I'm on the verge of trading in my 07 G35S (w/Navi) for a new MDX. Caught your signature and it got my attention, do you still have the G35? It's a great ride but I need more room, it's a little tight on long drives :) |
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| machz990 |
quote:
Originally posted by Blackura
From CR:
The new MDX is wider than the old one (I had an 03 and it *just barely fit* my garage with 3 inches on either side of the mirrors). The new one would probably involve getting out and folding in the mirrors before entering the garage, or driving while very sober. :-)
You must have a narrow non-standard width garage door. My garage has two standard single doors on the front and my new MDX sails in with slightly less clearance than my Honda Pilot did. I'm sure there is 6 or more inches on each side. |
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| machz990 |
quote:
Originally posted by Roxpert
OK, I have completed my study of this, the test drives, and my deliberation. Like any good juror in a trial, I have looked at the evidence on both sides. Here is what I believe are the most salient points and their importance (major or minor) to me...
Lexus 2008 AWD RX 350 advantages over MDX -
1. Smaller size easier to park - major
2. Ride is smoother and quieter - major
3. Looks are more sleek - major
4. Proven design in 5th year with kinks worked out - minor
5. Power liftgate comes standard - minor
6. Gas mileage probably 2 MPG better - minor
7. May be slightly more reliable and I trust Lexus - minor
8. Comes with auto-dimming defogging side view mirrors, unlike MDX - minor
9. Comes with auto-dimming rearview mirror, extra on MDX - minor
10.Rear camera probably a little better and quicker - minor
11.Extra thick windshield laminated for soundproofing - minor
12.Better materials like real wood, thicker sheet metal, thicker clear coat - minor
Acura 2007 MDX advantages over RX -
1. Size/safety features makes it slightly safer - major
2. The latest technology: handling with SH-AWD and gadgets - major
3. Slightly more comfortable front seat - minor
4. XM factory installed - minor
5. MP3 jack factory installed - minor
6. Sport package active damper suspension w/ perforated seats available - minor
7. Navigation system and voice command system probably better - minor
8. Stereo system with Tech or Sport package is superior - minor
9.More controls on the steering wheel - minor
10.Equivalent "Technology" package about $2k less - minor
11.Newer design will keep this model looking fresher longer - minor
12.Fewer of these on the road, so they turn heads - minor
The best offer I have for an MDX here in Colorado is $800 over invoice of $42,004, or $42,804. I can also get the Tech package for $800 over invoice, or $40,903. That's about $2,000 below a similarly equipped RX 350 (after factoring in XM installation, etc.).
Having said that, my deliberation has concluded that the RX 350 better suits my needs than the MDX, though I really like the latter's technology. I can get the RX locally for $1,000 over invoice or maybe slightly better, so that's what I believe I'll end up doing. Lexus by a whisker!
I'm surprised 3rd row seating isn't a factor or even listed. The Lexus doesn't offer 3rd row seating so is basically a car with higher ride level.
A friend of mine has an 07 Black Lexus and I have the black MDX. This weekend at a function we parked side-by-side by accident but it started the conversations immediately amongst our friends. The majority felt the Lexus had much softer body lines and looked feminine while the MDX appeared more modern with aggressive lines. Some called it aggressive, some more sporty, some even called it faceted like the stealth fighter. I was surprised myself at the difference when parked together. Seen separately on the road I don't really notice or think about it but seeing the two together made me very glad I was the MDX owner. |
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