| RGWomack |
After looking through the 2002 MDX brochure I could not find any difference for the 2002 except the colors.
The Redrock Pearl and Taffeta White are on my website. I need to resize the photos, little slow to load for me. The Havasu Blue will not be available until Spring 2002. Its a light blue with a little green hue in it best I could tell. That is all I have found so far. Nav system is the same also.
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| wmquan |
Does the 2002 brochure have all the option packages in it?
I'll bet most of the changes are probably to the first year bugs, and general improvements for NVH.
I'm surprised there wasn't a change in some packaging of options and accessories, however. Strange.
But this is all consistent with what we've been warned about the past few months -- "no significant changes." |
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| wmquan |
Roger, is your dealership back at MSRP?
I must say, the red and the white look very sharp!!! I wasn't sure how it'd look but the MDX carries the colors very, very well. |
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| RGWomack |
wmquan,
From what I read the packages are the same. We recieved one brochure with the ad cd's, I took the pics for my webpage from them. Between 15 salespeople I didn't have it in my hands to long so I'll try to read more tomorrow. I read through engine, drivetrain, chassis, exterior and Interior features, lights, nav., no differences there. Still don't have prices.
We are still at 2K over but I have 10 or so not claimed yet, mostly 188's so if they don't sell before they show up in September we will see what happens. I suspect they will be gone. |
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| texrb |
Roger,
Just to clarify - those pics you posted are from the 2002 cd sent to the dealership? So the Red pic posted is the true color? It looks very sharp as does the white!
Thank you for posting the 2002 info & pics. |
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| wmquan |
Don't want to start an unnecessary rumor, but I wonder if there's any chance the 2003 MDX will be introduced early? Obviously the 2002 doesn't receive much change, not too surprising for the second model year (bean counters at work again). Lots of rumors for the 2003, especially to better differentiate it from the Honda version of the MDX.
I doubt it, though, since mid-year refreshes of an existing model are usually limited to special versions of it, e.g. if I recall correctly wasn't the TL Type-S introduced in mid-year?
Thanks for posting the info, Roger. |
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| RGWomack |
That was taken directly from the cd that is sent to all the dealerships for their ads, came in today. Also has all the logos, banners etc.
The link below is the best I could do with my old Tamarack scanner, not a very good job as everything is several shades to dark. Use your imagination, I'll try to get this scanned somewhere else and redo this page.
www.acurapricing.com/colors.htm |
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| RGWomack |
| Your correct, if there is a early release it is usually because of major changes such as the TL-S. The 2001 CL came out in March of 2000, new body style. There was no 2000 in the CL. I wouldn't expect an early MDX for 2003. Acura generally will run 3-4 years before anything major. But who knows? I've learned to believe the rumors when they show up. |
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| SoCal MDX |
| Thanks for the photos, Roger. Just wanted to let people know that if you right click on the photo of the red or the white car and select "set as wallpaper" from the drop-down menu, the photo comes out much larger and clearer on your desktop. The red one looks especially beautiful. |
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| RGWomack |
www.acurapricing.com/taffetamdx.jpg
www.acurapricing.com/redrockmdx.jpg
These are better pics. The cd has High Resolution and Low Resolution for the downloads, I used the low resolution, boy they use some megabytes in their photos. They are huge.
I thought the white was going to look like a big refrigerator, after seeing it I think it looks pretty cool. |
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| GRASSHOPPER |
| Redrock pearl looks great. I order a 2002 and was going to change to MBM but will wait until I see a redrock pearl in person. Anyone else out there order redrock, what do you think. |
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| wexy99 |
Roger,
Thanks for the up to the minute info.... your honesty regarding your dealerships policies is also appreciated....
Do you know what the interior options are on both the red and white 2002's? I now have to consider whether I keep my 2002 order in for a nighthawk black or one of the two new colors coming out in Oct/Nov?
thanks again....
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| navybean |
| I have heard that there will be color changes for 2002 and slight changes for 2003, but some major changes if needed will come in 2003 |
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| daluth |
Roger-
It's been stated here before that some changes might be made to the A frame due to wind noise. I would assume that the brochure wouldn't depict this, but have you heard anything about it? |
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| davegood |
Roger -- thanks for the color post. I ordered a Redrock, and it is good to see a better representation of it - thanks a bunch!
By the way, my dealer said that they 'placed the order' for my 02 on 8/24 -- is this realistic, or are they just blowing smoke?
I would also be interest to hear what color(s) interior come with the red and white. |
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| A2MDXer |
| From the Redrock photo, it certainly appears to be a saddle interior. Again, this is consistent with everything we have heard. |
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| davegood |
| Hey A2MDXer -- any word on your upcoming delivery date? |
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| ColMo |
I have an order in for a 2002 Taffeta White/Saddle Touring/Nav - you photo help confirm my choice! Thanks Again.
Now I have to decide on options - Flares - paint white or leave gray or paint another color? Rear deflector - paint white or leave black? Black side steps or stainless? |
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| lester123 |
New redrock color looks sharp; will be strongly considering it. However, I had a red car back 12 yrs ago and I had a problem with slight fading due to oxidation; it periodically needed extra work to get the color back looking good. At the time, I was advised that red cars do have a fading problem.
Now 12 yrs later, should I still be cautioned about a red car and better possibility of color fading? |
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| RGWomack |
Redrock w/Saddle
Taffeta w/Saddle
Havasu w/ Ebony
Lester, if you like the red get it. They have come a long way with paints in the last 12 years. |
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| A2MDXer |
quote:
Originally posted by davegood
By the way, my dealer said that they 'placed the order' for my 02 on 8/24 -- is this realistic, or are they just blowing smoke?
Hey A2MDXer -- any word on your upcoming delivery date?
Just found out that my build date was 8/22 and I should get delivery around the end of next week. :cool: I did get a VIN and tried tracking it with BNSF but nothing showed up so I assume that it's being shipped in another manner. I did ask a dealer about the 2002s and he said they just "placed a few orders for the first ones within the last couple of days." So what you were told is consistent with that I guess. That RedRock sure looks nice. If it came with Ebony I might think about waiting a few months. I will be sure to let you know when I take delivery.
I just noticed that I have become a Senior Member (no jokes please) just before taking delivery in a week. I guess I only earn that title by actually being an owner so I will hold on celebrating until GiGi arrives.:D |
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| chris.soto |
This is my first post. I love the site.
The posted pics of the Tafetta White may be real pics from the 2002 dealer info, however, it is simply a retouched photo of the original SS photo from the ACURA website. Same trees, angle, etc.
The red is a new photo as far as I can tell, but I have a hard time believing it is a photo of an actual 2002 MDX since they haven't been built yet. I am not saying they could not have built one for the photo. I just don't know.
I am expecting my 2002 by Nov/Dec. I can't wait, and am going call my dealer right away to order a 2002 brochure. |
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| Yoda |
quote:
Originally posted by A2MDXer
I just noticed that I have become a Senior Member (no jokes please) just before taking delivery in a week. I guess I only earn that title by actually being an owner so I will hold on celebrating until GiGi arrives.:D
A2MDXer, you can actually change your title to whatever you want. |
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| A2MDXer |
Yes, I once had the title of "still waiting..." but once I received an estimated build date I went back to the default. My post was simply intended to reflect the fact the my "MDX knowledge" might not be equal to the level of a typical Senior Member. With any luck, I will remedy that within a week.:)
Yoda, thanks again for the avatar - I don't plan on changing that. |
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| RGWomack |
Received my updated on-order detail report today.
Most are 2001's being built in September, but five 2002's are on the allocation, no build dates for them but they are there. One is a White 188 tournav w/ saddle. The white was the only way I realized it was a 2002, then I looked at the order # and it was different. So for those of you with deposits on 2002, looks like a few are showing up on the allocations. |
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| davegood |
| Thanks so much Roger for the info -- it's a big help to those waiting..... |
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| jeff968 |
| It is great to hear of this information. Will you eventually get a list of all the changes to the 2002 MDX, no matter how small? I'm curious if they will change the wheel style or add those needed side moldings or an other small change. What does the 188 number refer to? Thanks again for the great info!!! |
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| RGWomack |
I've posted this on several threads.
182 = MDX
184 = MDX w/nav
186 = Touring Package
188 = Touring w/nav
These numbers are also in your vin # 2HNYD188.
This number is also what we use to order them.
As far as any changes, I'll keep you posted, but I haven't found anything yet. |
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| AtlantaMDX |
RGW,
Thanks for those great pics. THat red sure does look good! |
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| marne |
quote:
Originally posted by RGWomack
Received my updated on-order detail report today.
Most are 2001's being built in September, but five 2002's are on the allocation, no build dates for them but they are there. One is a White 188 tournav w/ saddle. The white was the only way I realized it was a 2002, then I looked at the order # and it was different. So for those of you with deposits on 2002, looks like a few are showing up on the allocations.
RGWomack: I have a deposit on an '02 White/Saddle #188 at my dealership, a car which they were allocated last week. I believe the same allocation included one or two other '02 units as well as several '01s. But I got the impression that this gave the dealership only a general idea of when my car would arrive. The consensus on this site seems to be that the factory will switch over production to the '02 models on October 22, but I'd like to get a better idea about when my car might be delivered.
So I'd like to probe the concept of 'allocation'. While I have an intuitive understanding of what allocation might be, I'd like to know what precisely allocation means to a dealership. Does it mean that a specific car with a specific VIN will be delivered to the dealership on a date certain? Or that a car matching a precise description of trim/exterior color/interior color will be delivered in a general time frame? Or perhaps that a car with some but maybe not all of these criteria will be sent along at some unspecified time?
I also would like to know the theory behind the allocation of '02 vehicles. How does the factory's initial production get allocated to the scores (hundreds? thousands?) of dealers in North America? Do the geographically closest dealers get the '02s first? Or the dealers with the largest sales? Or the dealers who send the best bottles of wine to whomever at the factory cuts the delivery order? :D :D :D
Do individual dealers know where they sit in the allocation order? If yes, do they learn this when an allocation is made to the dealership, or sometime later? Is this allocation order a closely-held secret by the General Manager, or general knowledge among the sales staff?
Any info you can share with us civilians would be welcome! Thanks in advance.
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| metmdx |
Marne,
Great question ! I'm sure Roger will give us all an education here (right, Roger?).
Thanks in advance Roger. You honesty and candor go a long way on this site. If I lived in the Northwest, I might actually pay your price for an MDX.
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| wmquan |
Welcome to acuramdx.org!
Yep, it's so easy for even manufacturers to doctor photos of their vehicles. It's hard to tell the real thing.
Realistically, even photos on the web can be deceiving (as Roadrunner has pointed out) because of differences in people's displays. Nothing beats seeing the actual vehicle. Paint chips don't help much either; it's hard to imagine a small square or rectangle on an entire vehicle! |
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| RGWomack |
First I want to say Acura has no idea who you are. Allocation is based on several factors but vehicles sold makes a big difference. As does cars in inventory, all cars. The more we sell the more we get. So a big dealer will get more MDX's in their allocation, dealer location makes no difference. We have some choice but not much. Lets say Acura sends us a list of 40 MDX's to choose from, we can pick our 34 MDX's that we are getting from that list. I think there is 28 combinations of the MDX so that means I'm only going to get 1 or 2, possibly 3 of each model, if I'm a big store. On the allocation I received today we will get, 7 182's, 3 184's, 5 186's and the rest 188's. The colors are pretty much spread out. But I only have 1 white 188, if I have 3 customers who want a white 188, and I'm only getting 1, customer 2 gets his in 2 months and customer 3 in three months. Unless I can get more on my allocation, I can not order 6 whites even if I have 6 in-store orders for white, my allocation may allow me 1 or 2. If you are dealing with a small dealership that gets 12-15 MDX's then it could be months before you get your MDX because your dealer has to match you up with his allocation, so get your name on some big dealers lists or several dealers.
Some stores do keep the salespeople in the dark and don't let them know what is going on so they tell them to get a deposit and tell the customer a couple of months, what it does hopefully is take you off of the market, again, the dealer has to match your in-store order with their allocation. Sometimes that can take 1 month or 6 months depending on their allocation and in-store orders.
Some dealers have 2002's on their allocations now, no vins are assigned yet, in a few weeks our allocation list will be up-dated and we will receive the build dates for the 2002's, once we have the build dates within a few days after the build dates we will get the vin #, at that point your MDX has been shipped and should be at the dealership within 10-14 days.
I would guess some dealerships will have some 2002's in early November, but that is just a guess because no one has build dates yet.
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| texrb |
Roger,
Thank you very much for the very clear description of "allocation". I have received conflicting information from 2 dealers in DFW area this week re: '02 orders. David McDavid of Plano says no '02 orders are being accepted because no allocation is available. Goodson of Irving says they are taking '02 orders and have ordered 3 white 188s.
Is it possible that McDavid has a lower allocation and thus will not receive its '02 allocation yet? McDavid has always said they were the largest Acura Dealer in Texas and First Acura dealership in the US. Maybe they are counting their 2 stores (one in Austin & one in Plano) for total sales volume. They are one of the dealers used by Sams Club for club member sales.
Is there a listing of high volume dealers anywhere? I would hate to order an '02 and find out I have to wait a few extra months because they get a low allocation.
Thanks again for all your terrific info & the pics. |
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| marne |
MANY thanks for the allocation info, RGWomack!!! Tell me if I have absorbed the concept correctly:
An allocation is a defined number of cars.
The size of that dealer allocation number varies with several factors, but sales volume is key.
Dealerships use their alloted number to select vehicles from a larger list of cars showing a defined number of cars in various trim, exterior color and interior color combinations.
Each dealership's choose-from allocation list is specific to that dealer, and varies in size and selection based primarily on the dealership's sales volume.
Most trim/exterior/interior combinations have an available quantity number of '1' or maybe '2'. '3s' and above are rare. But '0s' --trim/color combinations which are completely absent from a given allocation list--are both possible and frequent.
And thus, the size of a dealer's allocation number and the size and variety of vehicles on the choose-from list restricts the order-able quantity of any defined color/trim combo for each ordering cycle.
2001 MDXs on current allocation lists show defined build dates.
2002s on current allocation lists do not show build dates.
Later revisions of the allocation list will show the build dates of '02s.
Some time after a vehicle's build date, the dealership will learn the specific VIN of the vehicle.
The presence of a VIN on the list indicates that the car has been shipped from the factory.
Delivery to the dealership takes about 10-14 days after that.
If you can stand it, I have one further allocation question: Beside a dealer's implied obligation to fill in-house orders, is there any Acura-enforced rule which requires this? For example, must the dealership report to Acura all deposits taken, and no vehicles not on that deposit-taken list may be ordered (unless the selection on the allocation list prevents this)?
One other request... When your allocation lists DO start showing build dates for 2002 MDXs, please let us know.
Thanks again for all of your inside info! :) :) :) :) |
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| RGWomack |
Marne,
Acura has nothing to do with deposits orders etc., and nothing is reported to them. All Acura does is supply the product. We get so many allocated vehicles. We can take orders or not take orders, orders make no difference on allocation. Your local dealership takes the deposit, hopefully puts your order on a in-store dated list to keep everyone in order. And when you are matched to their allocation, bingo!!! Lets say I have 4 orders for 186 Granite I just looked on my list and I have 1 coming in, next month I may be able to get 2 on my allocation the following month, maybe. I can not say to Acura I want six of that color because I have orders for them. It don't matter to Acura they build so many granites and they are spread out amongst the dealerships based on their allocation. Based off of my past allocations I can estimate when your MDX will arrive but its guesswork until it shows up on that dealership on order report and the build date is given. |
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| RGWomack |
texrb,
you wrote:
I have received conflicting information from 2 dealers in DFW area this week re: '02 orders. David McDavid of Plano says no '02 orders are being accepted because no allocation is available. Goodson of Irving says they are taking '02 orders and have ordered 3 white 188s.
Answer: I just received my on-order report yesterday, your salesperson/salesmanager from David MCDavid may not know or have their allocation yet. Goodson may have 3 on their allocation so they are taking in-store orders for those 3 MDX's. If you are the only one on their list, then you should be getting one of them.
If you are 4 on their list, then you go to the next allocation. We don't have to have the allocation to take a deposit. We just put you on a in-store list and when we get a match on our allocation you get your MDX. |
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| RGWomack |
Marne,
Other than not having all my build dates for the 2001's. You have it. I still have 9 - 2001's that don't have build dates. The latest build date on my allocation is for 9/24. On the next update there should be build dates for the rest of September into October. Then the following update may have the build dates for the 2002's. |
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| nwaring |
Don’t count out the small dealer. Their volume is low because they don’t have the customer base. When we jumped on the MDX bandwagon in January I had 3 choices, a big dealer 50 miles to the west, a medium to large dealer 50 miles to south and a very small dealer 50 miles to the east. At the time the big dealer had over 60 people on the list. I didn’t check the dealer to the south. The small dealer had 11 on their list. Not knowing what I know now (Tks Roger) I did the obvious and went with the little number. We test drove the car and chose GG. At that point the salesman came right out and stated 12 weeks for delivery. As Roger stated he probably knew from past allocations they got 1 GG a month and we would be the 3rd person on the list wanting GG. By the time we made the final decsion (3 days) they had added one more to the list and we became number 13. The car was delevered within a few days of the 12-week prediction. So…. The larger the allocation the larger the list and maybe a greater number of people wanting your color. Get a feel for what the smaller dealer is telling you and go with your instinct.
Good luck.
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| RGWomack |
nwaring,
I agree, your dealership should be able to show you their allocation and number of orders for your particular model. If you are on top of the list, good job. If they are not willing to do so, you are probably way down the list, check somewhere else. |
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| AtlantaMDX |
RGWomack,
Thanks for a very informative post on allocation. Is this typical with all Acura Vehicles, or just the MDX because of the high demand?
Also, do you know if this is typical of other car manufacturers? For example, do Lexus dealerships work the same way, etc.... |
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| texrb |
Roger,
Once again, thank you for your prompt reply and info. :) |
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| RGWomack |
AtlantaMDX,
It is that way for all our Acura/Honda vehicles. The dealership on-order detail report list everything on our allocation, for all makes and models. Many do it the same way, some manufacturers do it differently, I just know the specifics on ours. |
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| wexy99 |
Roger,
Thank you.. thank you.... thank you... I am on my hands and knees (hope this doesn't get me in trouble :() bowing to my computer screen....
I need to pay a visit to the dealership to see where I am on the 2002 list for my nighthawk black beauty... with all this great inside information....
thanks again :) |
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| GCK |
Roger,
I do not doubt your statements about the Acura allocations, however, the story from my dealer is somewhat different. He told me that they get allocated a number of cars, and they could order anything they like ... Any Color. Do you think the rules differ for dealers in different states? |
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| RGWomack |
GCK,
I'm sure we all have to do it the same way. We had months where we had a dozens of people wanting Mesa, we were able to get 1 or 2 maybe 3 per month. It took a while to catch up. We have some choices but we can not do what we want as far as colors and models. |
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| metmdx |
quote:
Originally posted by GCK
Roger,
I do not doubt your statements about the Acura allocations, however, the story from my dealer is somewhat different. He told me that they get allocated a number of cars, and they could order anything they like ... Any Color. Do you think the rules differ for dealers in different states?
GCK - I think this is probably the proverbial "slimy Acura dealer" ploy being played on you by your dealer. Roger (Thanks again Roger) is telling it like it is. They get allocated specific vehicles/trim levels/colors and that's it. After that, the dealer has to make the "three card monty" trick work so he doesn't get caught with his drawers down. The only way he can do it is to tell you one thing and do another. After all, are you sitting at the dealers' door counting how many "nighthawk" or "mesa beiges" are coming thru? How would you know if he got 1 or 10 and sold them ahead of you?
I'll bet if you walked in the door with a copy of Roger's explaination, your dealer would change his tune in a hurry !
Just my .03 worth
The dealers will tell the customer anything until they realize the customer knows more than they think. :p
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| RGWomack |
For those of you interested, the link below is a copy of our dealer report so you know what it looks like. I've edited out our dealer number and the names we pencil in beside the sold ones. If you have any questions let me know?
The dates to the right are the target production dates, those that are missing we don't have yet. The next report will have more dates.
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| marne |
Roger: I truly appreciate seeing your sample Dealer Allocation Report. It clears up a lot of mysteries.
MANY thanks!!!! :p :p :p
--Marne |
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| metmdx |
Thanks ! Your information is invaluable in the consumer's struggle against the cloak and dagger of the rest of the dealers out there !
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