| keremoner |
I'll save you the suspense: It is the Pats
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Originally posted by gmc74
If good is 12th in total yards per game, and 17th in points per game, then yes... but too me, those are average numbers at best.
Once you figure in who they have played, the offensive juggernauts like Miami, Arizona, Det, etc, good is not exactly what I would characterize them as.
In reality, we can compare stats all we want, Sunday we will know who the best team in the NFL is. We know now that it is either NE or Indy, on Sunday we will know who it is for sure.
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by keremoner
I'll save you the suspense: It is the Pats
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So, sense you know they will win with out a doubt in the world, I assume you are going to be willing to wear a Colts avatar until the end of the season if they lose? |
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| keremoner |
i would, if you are willing to wear a Pats avatar if Colts lose.
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Originally posted by gmc74
So, sense you know they will win with out a doubt in the world, I assume you are going to be willing to wear a Colts avatar until the end of the season if they lose?
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by keremoner
i would, if you are willing to wear a Pats avatar if Colts lose.
I am already wearing the Sox avatar, and not being a Colts fan, I hardly see the effect.
I guess you aren't as sure as your posts lead everyone to believe... |
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| keremoner |
You will be wearing the Sox avatar until the end of the year. You can wear a Pats avatar for 3 months after that. How about it?
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Originally posted by gmc74
I am already wearing the Sox avatar, and not being a Colts fan, I hardly see the effect.
I guess you aren't as sure as your posts lead everyone to believe...
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by keremoner
You will be wearing the Sox avatar until the end of the year. You can wear a Pats avatar for 3 months after that. How about it?
So just to confirm, you don't believe so whole heartedly in your team that you have been bragging about for months to put up or shut up?
I kind of figured as much, but I was just looking for the confirmation because you seemed so sure of yourself a few hours ago with "I'll save you the suspense: It is the Pats" and "I can see the Pats steamrolling over the Colts 38-17 next week in my crystal ball."... I guess it is just the homer in you spewing cr@p that you won't back up. |
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| keremoner |
It is just that it is a sucker bet. Who ever makes a bet with no upside to it? I'll gladly make the bet if you agree to wearing a Pats avatar between Jan and March. You seem to be the one who thinks Colts can't win by not taking on the bet.
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Originally posted by gmc74
So just to confirm, you don't believe so whole heartedly in your team that you have been bragging about for months to put up or shut up?
I kind of figured as much, but I was just looking for the confirmation because you seemed so sure of yourself a few hours ago with "I'll save you the suspense: It is the Pats" and "I can see the Pats steamrolling over the Colts 38-17 next week in my crystal ball."... I guess it is just the homer in you spewing cr@p that you won't back up.
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| keremoner |
gmc74:
tell you what. Just to show you the strength of my conviction, I'll do it even if you don't accept wearing a Pats avatar. |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by keremoner
gmc74:
tell you what. Just to show you the strength of my conviction, I'll do it even if you don't accept wearing a Pats avatar.
That's the spirit! |
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| Maik |
I sure hope the game lives up to all the hype.
I still stand by my prediction of a 45-31 Pats win. |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by Maik
I sure hope the game lives up to all the hype.
I still stand by my prediction of a 45-31 Pats win.
I will be very dissappointed if it doesn't, I set my work travel plans so I wouldn't be in the air during this game. |
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| hammermdx |
| Pats are going to give Indy a spanking! |
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| keremoner |
And it will hurt so good.....
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Originally posted by hammermdx
Pats are going to give Indy a spanking!
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| hammermdx |
| Well, not exactly a spanking but still happy with the outcome. What the heck was Manning thinking on that last posession, he should have ate the ball and given it another shot on 4th down. |
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| keremoner |
| I wasn't happy about all the mental lapses and sloppy play but win is a win. Refereeing wasn't that great either. I expected an easier win for Pats. |
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| Maik |
If you consider that the Pats played their worst game of the year (I thought they actually came out flat) against the second best team with some horrible officiating and still won....
I was impressed with the Colts defense. They sure are fast.
The last two drives were vintage Brady. I also thought that one of the big keys to the game was special team play. Especially the last Drive when Welker got the Pats to mid field with a great runback. Colts seemed to start every drive inside the 20. |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by Maik
If you consider that the Pats played their worst game of the year
That will happen when you face a great defense, but are used to facing sub-par ones.
I will say that I was disappointed with the game, not the outcome, I really couldn't care either way. I thought there was some poor decision making by the colts towards the end, and poor play calling by the pats at the beginning. The Colts should have won that, their defense collapsed in the end... |
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| mullysalt |
| Maik and kere, hope you guys are enjoying the ride. Pats have been amazing thus far this season. I thought I'd drop in and heap some praise on you guys and tout "my enjoying it while it lasts because they really stink" first place in the AFC West Kansas City Chiefs. |
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| Maik |
gmc74:
So now that the Colts don't have their regular wideouts and are playing guys off the waiver wire manning throws 6 pics. I guess he is not a good qb now?
Mully...good to hear from you. Awesome time to be a Boston sports fan these days...Sox, Pats even the Revs are in the championship game next week and the Celts look real good. I was at the game last week when they blew out the Nuggets. Simply amazing. |
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| SKIP2IT |
S T E E L E R S
A L L
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W A Y!!!!!!!!!!!!1
PUT THE MTG ON IT! |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by Maik
gmc74:
So now that the Colts don't have their regular wideouts and are playing guys off the waiver wire manning throws 6 pics. I guess he is not a good qb now?
I am not sure I follow your logic, or lack there of, on this one, you will have to explain a bit further. It sounds to me like you may think one performance makes a career? I really have no idea where you are going with that.
As for Manning, sure some will make excuses like the fact that he didn't have all his weapons or that they are on their 4th or 5th left guard. In reality, he made bad decisions and had an outcome that reflected it... piss poor. |
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| Maik |
Isn't it amazing how mortal Manning looks with second team receivers. Welcome to Brady's world of the past six years. Also doesn't it speak volumes the amount of press Dwight Freeney's injury has caused? Richard Seymour was out for the first 7 games...hardly mentioned.
As was stated by Madden last night, Brady is having perhaps the greatest season ever by a QB.
We may be watching history in the making. 2007 Pats may well be the best NFL team of all time.
Hooda thunk that 15 years ago as I sat in the stands watching the 2-14 Pats I would be watching this! |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by Maik
Hooda thunk that 15 years ago as I sat in the stands watching the 2-14 Pats I would be watching this!
LOL I was probably in the stands with you, I used to go to 2 or 3 games a year. Speaking of the colts and the Pats, I remember a game back in either 87 or 88, I think 88. Where the Colts were beating the pats, and the pats put Flutie in and he marched them down the field, and did his patented fake hand off bootleg run for a touchdown.
Back in the days of sitting on crappy bleachers, in a stadium that wasn't fit for Division III football.
The Pats, and Brady especially, are impressive. After my Jets beat the Steelers this weekend, watch out! :cool: |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by gmc74
LOL I was probably in the stands with you, I used to go to 2 or 3 games a year. Speaking of the colts and the Pats, I remember a game back in either 87 or 88, I think 88. Where the Colts were beating the pats, and the pats put Flutie in and he marched them down the field, and did his patented fake hand off bootleg run for a touchdown.
Back in the days of sitting on crappy bleachers, in a stadium that wasn't fit for Division III football.
The Pats, and Brady especially, are impressive. After my Jets beat the Steelers this weekend, watch out! :cool:
Your Jets....I understand that the facilities crew at Gillette Stadium are fixing the scoreboard for the Jets game. I will allow a third digit so it can handle the 100 points the Pats will score!
As for those crappy bleachers...the old stadium was one of the best places to watch a game...not one bad seat. I agree, no creature comforts but perhaps the best sightlines in any stadium holding 50,000 plus. Hard to believe I went to more than 200 games there. |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by Maik
Your Jets....I understand that the facilities crew at Gillette Stadium are fixing the scoreboard for the Jets game. I will allow a third digit so it can handle the 100 points the Pats will score!
As for those crappy bleachers...the old stadium was one of the best places to watch a game...not one bad seat. I agree, no creature comforts but perhaps the best sightlines in any stadium holding 50,000 plus. Hard to believe I went to more than 200 games there.
It wouldn't shock me if those cocky bastards were doing that, but remember last year when the lowly Jets came in to Foxboro and beat the Pats. I don't forsee it happening this year, but it wouldn't shock me.
As for the sight lines, yeah, they weren't bad, but the stadium was a $hit hole. It was built on a tiny budget in the 70s and it reflected it. I have no problem paying a premium for comfort at a game, but that wasn't available at the old stadium. I would take a game at the Meadowlands any day over that place. I am sure the new stadium is nice, I may try to get out there next year for a game.
I haven't even had a chance to see the inside of the new Cardinals stadium here in AZ, but it is supposed to be one of the nicest around. It has the roll out field so the grass is perfect in the dome on game day. If you are right, your Pats will be here in January, with Indy's injury bug, you are probably going to get your wish. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by gmc74
As for the sight lines, yeah, they weren't bad, but the stadium was a $hit hole. It was built on a tiny budget in the 70s and it reflected it. I have no problem paying a premium for comfort at a game, but that wasn't available at the old stadium. I would take a game at the Meadowlands any day over that place. I am sure the new stadium is nice, I may try to get out there next year for a game.
I haven't even had a chance to see the inside of the new Cardinals stadium here in AZ, but it is supposed to be one of the nicest around. It has the roll out field so the grass is perfect in the dome on game day. If you are right, your Pats will be here in January, with Indy's injury bug, you are probably going to get your wish.
Interestingly, when the old stadium was designed, it was intended to seat 40,000 people. Halfway through construction, when the merger talks were going on, it became apparant that the new league was going to have a 50,000 seat stadium minimum. Since the footprint was already constructed, they had no choice but to replace the seats with benches to accomodate the new rule. Thats why there was only about 8 inches per butt!
I think I only missed about 25 regular season games in that place, and I have only missed one regular season or playoff game in Gillette. When I first started going, game tix were only $9! Now they are $125.
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| gmc74 |
No matter what happens, I will say that 2007/2008 is a banner year for Mass sports.
The worst thing about the stadium, and I am guessing this hasn't changed, is the crappy road that you have to take to get there. We used to bring a camper up, cook, drink and eat before and after the game. |
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| gmc74 |
| Wow, the pats got a gift last night. Baltimore literally did everything they could to lose that game on the final drive, and then a little help from a very close catch/no catch for a touchdown, and the pats win a game they deserved to lose. Everyone gets lucky on these everyonce and a while, looks like the pats used up this years. |
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| keremoner |
This was second time in a row that they looked 'human' and vulnerable. Next week is the key to going 16-0. I still believe they will because they are playing the Steelers at home.
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Originally posted by gmc74
Wow, the pats got a gift last night. Baltimore literally did everything they could to lose that game on the final drive, and then a little help from a very close catch/no catch for a touchdown, and the pats win a game they deserved to lose. Everyone gets lucky on these everyonce and a while, looks like the pats used up this years.
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by gmc74
Wow, the pats got a gift last night. Baltimore literally did everything they could to lose that game on the final drive, and then a little help from a very close catch/no catch for a touchdown, and the pats win a game they deserved to lose. Everyone gets lucky on these everyonce and a while, looks like the pats used up this years.
How do you figure they deserved to loose? While I agree the game was not their finast moment, when the game was on the line, they made the plays while the Ravens did not. Pure and simple.
The last TD was not even really close. I have watched it many time in slow motion and reg speed. Gafney did not even bobble the ball at all, he simply had complete control with his fingertips. But even if that play was overturned, the Pats would have had a 1st and goal at the 3 as a result of the stupid penalties on that play. How about the non call of Samuel being tackled to the ground during the final play on the hail mary pass. Or the last Ravens TD, where the receiver did not have both feet inbounds with no challenge. |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by Maik
How do you figure they deserved to loose? While I agree the game was not their finast moment, when the game was on the line, they made the plays while the Ravens did not. Pure and simple.
The last TD was not even really close. I have watched it many time in slow motion and reg speed. Gafney did not even bobble the ball at all, he simply had complete control with his fingertips. But even if that play was overturned, the Pats would have had a 1st and goal at the 3 as a result of the stupid penalties on that play. How about the non call of Samuel being tackled to the ground during the final play on the hail mary pass. Or the last Ravens TD, where the receiver did not have both feet inbounds with no challenge.
Well, I think we saw that touchdown differently, he did not have it firmly in his hands until his foot landed out of bounds, after two feet in, he did not have full possesion. It was one of those plays that would not be overturned, if it was ruled a bobble, it would have stayed that way.
All in all, that was just the final gift, the mistakes by the Ravens prior to that, like calling time out when they had the right defense in on a fourth down, a penalty away from the action on a fourth down where they had stopped them again. Those were the gifts, from the Ravens to the Pats.
The reason there was no penalty at the end of the game was because the game was over, why throw the flag again?
The penalties after the pats TD were because of the bad call, so the Pats would not have had the ball anymore.
All in all, the pats got lucky, you can call it what you will, but like the Cardinals this weekend, they were the benefactor of a bad call that caused them to win. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by gmc74
Well, I think we saw that touchdown differently, he did not have it firmly in his hands until his foot landed out of bounds, after two feet in, he did not have full possesion. It was one of those plays that would not be overturned, if it was ruled a bobble, it would have stayed that way.
All in all, that was just the final gift, the mistakes by the Ravens prior to that, like calling time out when they had the right defense in on a fourth down, a penalty away from the action on a fourth down where they had stopped them again. Those were the gifts, from the Ravens to the Pats.
The reason there was no penalty at the end of the game was because the game was over, why throw the flag again?
The penalties after the pats TD were because of the bad call, so the Pats would not have had the ball anymore.
All in all, the pats got lucky, you can call it what you will, but like the Cardinals this weekend, they were the benefactor of a bad call that caused them to win.
I guess we must have been watching two different games...there was no bobble at all, he have firm fingertip control all the way and the replay proved it. I have seen many such calls overturned whenthey should have been. The refs got it right. There was simply no angle at all that showed a bobble. As for the holding on fourth down, the call was against the defender who virtually tackled Watson in the endzone. Since Watson was the intended receiver, hardly a call away from the ball. So if the Ravens receiver who caught the hail mary had spun around and made it into the endzone, THEN the flag would have been thrown? Not the way it works. A blatant foul should be called when it happens.
My concern is the Pats run defense, or lack thereof. It had not shown itself until the close games because the first 10 teams were passing so much. Seymour has been nonexistant. |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by Maik
I guess we must have been watching two different games...there was no bobble at all, he have firm fingertip control all the way and the replay proved it.
Maybe you should have the job of Head of NFL officials, because the guy who holds that position must have been watching another game too. He was just on Inside the NFL on HBO saying that there wasn't evidence to over rule the call, if it was ruled an incomplete pass, it would have stayed that way because it was way too close to call. He said it was one of those plays where half the people see it one way, the other half sees it another, and when that happens, we don't want to overturn the play.
That seems very different from what you saw.
How about the fact that the defensive coordinator for Baltimore called time out, when the officials are only allowed to grant time outs to the head coach? I am sure I saw that wrong too... |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by gmc74
Maybe you should have the job of Head of NFL officials, because the guy who holds that position must have been watching another game too. He was just on Inside the NFL on HBO saying that there wasn't evidence to over rule the call, if it was ruled an incomplete pass, it would have stayed that way because it was way too close to call. He said it was one of those plays where half the people see it one way, the other half sees it another, and when that happens, we don't want to overturn the play.
That seems very different from what you saw.
How about the fact that the defensive coordinator for Baltimore called time out, when the officials are only allowed to grant time outs to the head coach? I am sure I saw that wrong too...
I also saw that interview. His explanation of the time out was very reasonable and not a gaff on the part of the refs. It was a bonehead move on the part of Rex Ryan. Interesting side note on that play is in an interview this week Tom Brady said that he absolutely would have made the first down, but stopped his effort when he heard the whistle.
As for the fingertip grab...I think I have played that back in both slow motion and regular speed 2 dozen times, and have yet to see any sort of bobble at all. |
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| keremoner |
| Ahhh, finally the Pats that we (Pats fans) all love are back. I am still counting on 19-0 while breaking all or most significant records in books (points, TDs, receptions by Moss, completion %, etc.) |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Ahhh, finally the Pats that we (Pats fans) all love are back. I am still counting on 19-0 while breaking all or most significant records in books (points, TDs, receptions by Moss, completion %, etc.)
Yup...yesterday's game was most enjoyable. Pats came out in the 2nd half and simply took control of the game. Play calling by Steelers was amazing...3rd and goal from the Pats 1 and a pass play???? Followed up with an end around??? All this after they got to the 1 by smashmouthing up the middle.
I understand that the Pats have asked to borrow the Celtics scoreboard for the Jets game so as to be able to handle the score when that Pats exceed 100!
Pats have now beaten each of the probable division winners in the AFC and the best that the NFC has to offer.
I remember a couple of years ago discussing on this board, maybe even this thread, whether the Pats were a "dynasty".
Not much of a descussion as the Pats put the finishing touches on one of the greatest seasons ever by a team. |
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| Maik |
Parcells looking at Dolphins?
Back in the AFC East. Already lookingforward to TunaBowl.
He can spend a couple of seasons with the Fish and then finish up his tour of the AFC East with a couple of years in Buffalo.
Sunday looks to be upper 40's in Foxboro. Even with possible drizzle, look for Brady to throw to Moss a few times. I would not be surprised to see 4 td passes, all to Moss. Perhaps they will activate Troy Brown for the game and let him catch Brady's 50th.
19-0 here we come. |
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| keremoner |
| 1 more to go to 16-0 and 4 more to SB ring. |
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| keremoner |
| That was one entertaining game. I am kind of amused that the 72 Dolpins seem to think they were the best team ever. Maybe defensively so but no way near the Pats offensively or overall. pats opponents has vastly better record than 72 Dolpins and they accomplished their records in the post free agency period when it is much harder to build dynasties. Saturday night's game was one of the most entertaining games in NFL history. |
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| laborlitigator |
16-0 is all for nothing unless they go 19-0.
You're probably going to have to go through Jacksonville, Indy and Dallas. |
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| keremoner |
Since they wil be visiting the Pats, I am not too worried except for Indy which I believe is the only team out there that has any realistic chances of beating the Pats.l
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
16-0 is all for nothing unless they go 19-0.
You're probably going to have to go through Jacksonville, Indy and Dallas.
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| keremoner |
Sore loser
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CHEATERS!
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| MDteX |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
16-0 is all for nothing unless they go 19-0.
You're probably going to have to go through Jacksonville, Indy and Dallas.
I can only hope that the Cowboys will get to play an AFC team. The Cowboys better step it up a little or they will be sitting on the sofa watching the game like everyone else.
I wonder if NFL players watch the Super Bowl??? :confused: |
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| Maik |
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I wonder if NFL players watch the Super Bowl??? :confused:
I would bet that most do. A very large number of players actually go to the game. |
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| keremoner |
My wild-card predictions:
Skins over the Seahawks (50-50)
Giants over TB (pretty sure)
Jags over Pitt (50-50)
SD over Tenn. (lock of the week) |
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| Maik |
Seahawks over Redskins,
TB over Giants,
SD over Tenn, and
Pitt over Jacksonville
Yup, all home teams win. That would send SD to Indy and Pitts to Foxboro. |
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| keremoner |
I disagree because:
Skins are currently playing significantly better than Seahawks
Giants, if they play anywhere near how they played the Pats, should come out with a win easily.
Finally, Steelers don't have their best RB and their offense is not potent enough to overcome that, plus jags are playing pretty well.
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Originally posted by Maik
Seahawks over Redskins,
TB over Giants,
SD over Tenn, and
Pitt over Jacksonville
Yup, all home teams win. That would send SD to Indy and Pitts to Foxboro.
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by keremoner
I disagree because:
Skins are currently playing significantly better than Seahawks
Giants, if they play anywhere near how they played the Pats, should come out with a win easily.
Finally, Steelers don't have their best RB and their offense is not potent enough to overcome that, plus jags are playing pretty well.
Seahawks are a better team and they have a better coach;
Giants used up their steam against the Pats and Manning will screw up (he is a clone of Bledsoe) in the clutch; and
Jags beat Steelers in Pitt a couple of weeks ago....I dont think that they are so far superior as to be able to do it twice in a month. |
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| keremoner |
Seahawks may be the better team but it is not how good you are, it is how well you are playing currently
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Originally posted by Maik
Seahawks are a better team and they have a better coach;
Giants used up their steam against the Pats and Manning will screw up (he is a clone of Bledsoe) in the clutch; and
Jags beat Steelers in Pitt a couple of weeks ago....I dont think that they are so far superior as to be able to do it twice in a month.
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Originally posted by Maik
Seahawks are a better team and they have a better coach;
Giants used up their steam against the Pats and Manning will screw up (he is a clone of Bledsoe) in the clutch; and
Jags beat Steelers in Pitt a couple of weeks ago....I dont think that they are so far superior as to be able to do it twice in a month.
Eli finally gets a huge gorilla off his back. Giant's got a shot against the Cowboys if they can somehow slow down Romo. |
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| laborlitigator |
Giants over the Cowboys
Packers over the Seahawks
Indy destroys San Diego
Pats easily over the Jags |
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| keremoner |
Completely agreed. Maik's predictions weren't too good.
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Giants over the Cowboys
Packers over the Seahawks
Indy destroys San Diego
Pats easily over the Jags
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Originally posted by keremoner
Completely agreed. Maik's predictions weren't too good.
Gints won't beat the Cowboys.
Forecast for saturday night is clear and calm, with temps falling through the 30's. Perfect weather for Brady to Moss combo. |
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| one4gatr |
Good luck to the Pats... I know this thread has and has been pretty well dominated by the Pats fans on this board. I shot my mouth off in '05 but they brought Lefty in and screwed our chances.
I think this Pats is and will go down as the greatest of all times. I give the Jags a 1 and 4 shot. A long shot albeit but a shot none the less...
Heres to toasting a JAGS victory tomorrow (though not likely). It will be an interesting game...
See ya boys... |
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| trixie |
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Originally posted by one4gatr
[B]Heres to toasting a JAGS victory tomorrow
I'll share a toast to the unlikely Jags victory. I went to elementary and junior high school with Jack Delrio back in Hayward, CA. I've routed for his teams going all the way back to the days of the Bret Hart Junior High Indians of '75. |
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| keremoner |
Ahhhh..., only two more to 19-0. Maik, told you that Giants would win. I expect them to make it to the SB if weather in GB next week is at least fair. I couldn't say I was too surprised about the Chargers winning although I predicted Indy to win. I am sad that we will not get a chance to beat them twice in a year.
On the subject of 07 Pats being the best team ever in NFL history, I don't see how anyone who is a football fan can disagree. No team ever, not even the 72 Dolphins, were such a complete team with so many weapons. You can take any 1, 2, 3 or more key players out, and Pats will still find a way to beat you. They are great on the field as well as coaching, ownership, and in other key areas. I couldn't say that about the Dolphins, 49 ers, Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, etc. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Ahhhh..., only two more to 19-0. Maik, told you that Giants would win. I expect them to make it to the SB if weather in GB next week is at least fair. I couldn't say I was too surprised about the Chargers winning although I predicted Indy to win. I am sad that we will not get a chance to beat them twice in a year.
On the subject of 07 Pats being the best team ever in NFL history, I don't see how anyone who is a football fan can disagree. No team ever, not even the 72 Dolphins, were such a complete team with so many weapons. You can take any 1, 2, 3 or more key players out, and Pats will still find a way to beat you. They are great on the field as well as coaching, ownership, and in other key areas. I couldn't say that about the Dolphins, 49 ers, Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, etc.
Ker, you forgot about the fans....best fans ever as well!
Saturday's game was a good one. Gerrard is a good QB, but he made a few bad decisions. Pats defense was less than steelar, but the game plan worked. Stop the Jags running game and let the QB beat them. Maroney looked very good. Finally fully healed. |
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| laborlitigator |
Who woulda thunk that Eli would be playing and Peyton wouldn't.
That 2nd quarter less than a minute drive saved the game and the defense held.
Even though the Giants lost to the Pats two weeks ago, something clicked in Eli during that game.
Now, off to the Frozen Tundra. . . |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by Maik
Gints won't beat the Cowboys.
Forecast for saturday night is clear and calm, with temps falling through the 30's. Perfect weather for Brady to Moss combo.
Maik,
Please keep pickin against the Gints. |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Maik,
Please keep pickin against the Gints.
OK...their little run ends Sunday at Green Bay.
Pats will beat the Bolts setting up a Favre vs Brady Superbowl.
I must admit I am a little dissapointed the the Colts lost. I was looking forward to seeing Payton loose in Foxboro.
Did anyone see the ear to ear smile on Norv Turner after the game? I coud have sworn he was saying "I'm going to Hawaii!!!!"
(Loosing coach in Championship games coach the Pro Bowl) |
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| keremoner |
| Wrong again Maik. I said watch out for Giants. Now that they are in the SB, they are through winning. Forget about Brady's cold weather mistakes. They will win relatively easily in Arizona. Hello 19-0 and immortality in NFL history!!! |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by Maik
OK...their little run ends Sunday at Green Bay.
Pats will beat the Bolts setting up a Favre vs Brady Superbowl.
I must admit I am a little dissapointed the the Colts lost. I was looking forward to seeing Payton loose in Foxboro.
Did anyone see the ear to ear smile on Norv Turner after the game? I coud have sworn he was saying "I'm going to Hawaii!!!!"
(Loosing coach in Championship games coach the Pro Bowl)
Maik,
Please, oh please pick against the Gints again! |
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| laborlitigator |
More than I could have ever expected.
This doesn't look like the Eli from the last two years in the playoffs. New Yorkers seem to forget it took his brother a lot longer to get to this point.
It's all house money now. . .
Honestly, Pats should be at least 14 to 17 point favorites on a neutral field. |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Maik,
Please, oh please pick against the Gints again!
OK...Pats will win Super Bowl.
I got home from Pats game in time to see most of the second qtr and all the second half of Giants game. Manning was easily the best QB on Sunday. Favre sucked, Brady sucked and Rivers was marginal.
Difference in the Pats game was bad calls by Turner (what was he thinking with 9 min left down by 9 and punting from the Pats 35???? All three 3rd down playcalls in the redzone were also terrible). With a healthy Tomlinson, not sure the game would have played out as it did. Brady was awful. Consistantly missed open receivers and his throws were generally way off target. I believe he will revert back to form in Super Bowl.
As for Giants, Manning was terrific, but Favre lost the game for the Pack. Bad decisions and some terrible throws. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by Maik
OK...Pats will win Super Bowl.
I got home from Pats game in time to see most of the second qtr and all the second half of Giants game. Manning was easily the best QB on Sunday. Favre sucked, Brady sucked and Rivers was marginal.
Difference in the Pats game was bad calls by Turner (what was he thinking with 9 min left down by 9 and punting from the Pats 35???? All three 3rd down playcalls in the redzone were also terrible). With a healthy Tomlinson, not sure the game would have played out as it did. Brady was awful. Consistantly missed open receivers and his throws were generally way off target. I believe he will revert back to form in Super Bowl.
As for Giants, Manning was terrific, but Favre lost the game for the Pack. Bad decisions and some terrible throws.
That's all I wanted. . .
Giants D exerted itself again. They are very underrated. |
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| keremoner |
Two observations:
Giants are playing inspired football at the moment and will not roll over and play dead.
That being said, I think that their chances are slim to none. Reasons:
Pats diversity of weapons and strategies is overwhelming for any team. It is the only team that you can neutralize their top 4-5-6 weapons and they still can successfully find a way to beat you. They are savy, extremely well prepared, and driven by a purpose like no one else. They can even have Brady and the defense (anywhere else on the field other than the red zone) be performing poorly like on Sunday and still win by 9 points. This is exactly why they are undisputedly the best team ever in NFL history. 72 Dolpins (or anyone else for that matter) could never claim that. Can you imagine the great 49er teams of the 80's being so dominant if Rice was virtually not playing and Montana sucking air? Or the Bears, Steelers, etc?? These other teams were great but none was so versatile and had so many ways to beat you till now. All this at the post free agency period on top of it (when dynasties were supposed to be dead for good). This is why I laugh when I read experts debating the greatness issue. 19-0 is not the issue. It is how you win the games. '72 Dolpins went 14-0 but if you study history of the game, they were very single faceted (defense oriented). Pats are the only team in NFL history who could claim "pick any 4-5 of our stars and we will still beat you without them"
Hats off to the Pats.:) |
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| keremoner |
| It is amazing the amount of glee I hear because of the walking cast on Brady's leg. I guess that is how you know you've attained near immortality. Just ask the Yankees. They are so hated because historically they have been the greatest team. Pats will have Brady in the game. And even if they had to play Cassell, he is very capable and can utilize Pats weaponry almost as well as Brady. May seem cocky but yes I am claiming that Pats could still win the SB without Brady if they had to. |
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| keremoner |
proof of my genius. No 'expert' picked them over GB.
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Originally posted by keremoner
Ahhhh..., only two more to 19-0. Maik, told you that Giants would win. I expect them to make it to the SB .
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Originally posted by keremoner
It is amazing the amount of glee I hear because of the walking cast on Brady's leg. I guess that is how you know you've attained near immortality. Just ask the Yankees. They are so hated because historically they have been the greatest team. Pats will have Brady in the game. And even if they had to play Cassell, he is very capable and can utilize Pats weaponry almost as well as Brady. May seem cocky but yes I am claiming that Pats could still win the SB without Brady if they had to.
Now I KNOW you are nuts. Brady is the one cog that the Pats can simply not lose. They really don't even have a backup QB. Cassell will very likely not be a Patriot next season. His only value is as a PAT/FG holder.
"proof of my genius. No 'expert' picked them over GB."
You gotta be kiddin! Genius? I supose you knew that Favre would blow the game? Or that Manning would play better than he had all season? You were lucky with a guess that really had little or no basis.
And as for the 1972 Phins, they had a great defense and one of the best, if not the best running game of all time. Additionally, they played an extremely weak schedule. Only one regular season game against a team that ended up with a winning record.
Best part about the Gints being in the Bowl is that it once again revives the Boston/NY rivalry. Its gonna be a fun couple of weeks. |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Two observations:
Pats are the only team in NFL history who could claim "pick any 4-5 of our stars and we will still beat you without them"
Another rediculious statement. With no double team on Moss, Welker is not open so much, with both Welker, Moss and Watson in game, no one left to cover Faulk. Take any ONE of the stars out and the Pats would have a far tougher time. Take several out, and they would be just an average team.
Oh, and by the way, you say that the Pats defense played poorly on Sunday? Limiting the Bolts to ZERO TD's would seem to qualify as a fairly good game by my standards. |
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| keremoner |
You are forgetting that there are more than three or four players on the Pats that can catch the ball. Heck, even line backers are asked to do so time to time. I said they played poor defense except in the red zone. SD recievers were wide open anywhere else on the field.
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Originally posted by Maik
Another rediculious statement. With no double team on Moss, Welker is not open so much, with both Welker, Moss and Watson in game, no one left to cover Faulk. Take any ONE of the stars out and the Pats would have a far tougher time. Take several out, and they would be just an average team.
Oh, and by the way, you say that the Pats defense played poorly on Sunday? Limiting the Bolts to ZERO TD's would seem to qualify as a fairly good game by my standards.
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| keremoner |
Cassell can pass the ball. I have seen it. He is no Brady but he does not have to be with the team around him.
I picked the Giants because they matched very well with GB position to position, plus had momentum and reason to go to SB (to avenge the 38-35 loss)
At least I was right with my predictions. Here is the next prediction:
Pats
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Originally posted by Maik
Now I KNOW you are nuts. Brady is the one cog that the Pats can simply not lose. They really don't even have a backup QB. Cassell will very likely not be a Patriot next season. His only value is as a PAT/FG holder.
"proof of my genius. No 'expert' picked them over GB."
You gotta be kiddin! Genius? I supose you knew that Favre would blow the game? Or that Manning would play better than he had all season? You were lucky with a guess that really had little or no basis.
And as for the 1972 Phins, they had a great defense and one of the best, if not the best running game of all time. Additionally, they played an extremely weak schedule. Only one regular season game against a team that ended up with a winning record.
Best part about the Gints being in the Bowl is that it once again revives the Boston/NY rivalry. Its gonna be a fun couple of weeks.
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Cassell can pass the ball. I have seen it. He is no Brady but he does not have to be with the team around him.
I picked the Giants because they matched very well with GB position to position, plus had momentum and reason to go to SB (to avenge the 38-35 loss)
At least I was right with my predictions. Here is the next prediction:
Pats 38
Giants 24
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Originally posted by Maik
Now I KNOW you are nuts. Brady is the one cog that the Pats can simply not lose. They really don't even have a backup QB. Cassell will very likely not be a Patriot next season. His only value is as a PAT/FG holder.
"proof of my genius. No 'expert' picked them over GB."
You gotta be kiddin! Genius? I supose you knew that Favre would blow the game? Or that Manning would play better than he had all season? You were lucky with a guess that really had little or no basis.
And as for the 1972 Phins, they had a great defense and one of the best, if not the best running game of all time. Additionally, they played an extremely weak schedule. Only one regular season game against a team that ended up with a winning record.
Best part about the Gints being in the Bowl is that it once again revives the Boston/NY rivalry. Its gonna be | | | |
