| Nxtr06 |
:confused: Saw the new weeping mirror poll and was wonder if there was any info regarding a factory fix for this since it seems to have been lost amist the hoopla of the new 02's.
Waiting for a fix,:rolleyes:
Aloha & Mahalo,
Nick |
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| TheWorm |
Yea, who cares about the '02 anyway! :)
I haven't heard anything. Had an oil change a few weeks ago and asked the dealer. They said "uh huh, we know it leaks for days" but also said there wasn't yet a fix from Acura. At least they didn't claim it was "normal".
Tim & Roger -- if you're listening in, maybe your service guys know or have heard something. |
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| RGWomack |
| I wish I had an answer for you folks on the mirrors. I don't have any idea if a fix is on the way or not. My service department has only had a few complaints and most have been from my customers which has the service department looking all crazy at me when they do get one. I think service thinks I am telling them about this site or during the delivery process letting my customers know that after you wash your vehicle "all the water blowing out from the sides is not your radiator" If I hear something I'll let you know. I may be wrong but unless there are more complaints going to Acura from other dealerships I wouldn't expect much. I can go out on my used car lot and about every SUV or big truck with enclosed power windows do some weeping after they are washed, albeit not with the enthusiasm of our MDX. I know this has been discussed on org many times and it is a pet peeve to some. I just don't have an answer. |
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| GCK |
My dealer in the SF Bay area told me that the 02s have a hole under the mirror to drain the water away from the channel. He had this information confirmed from his Acura representative.
I am not sure why Acura did not issue a TSB for this yet. Maybe they are worried about drilling holes on the mirrors. |
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| Nxtr06 |
It seems that there may be some confusion here.
The following is from first hand account.
1. When washed the water builds up with no where to go in the
mirrors housing,
Result; is when the vehicle is driven there is a vacum is created, which to many's dismay causes the water to be extracted from the mirrors housing and spread out in a vee pattern (<) across each door.
2. When washed the water builds up between the black mirrors triangular mounting plate (where it mounts to the forward area of the window area).
Result; is a build up of water in the small gap between the black mirror housing mount plate and the top of the painted edge of the door, which will leak causing white water stains running from the above described area down the leading edge of the door.
If I am way off base here then some one help me out!!!!!!!!!!!
On a side note, am I the only one who heres a constant rattle from the rear (second row) seatbelt connectors, the orange button in black holder type thing. I know it is probably nitpicking, oh well whatever I just thought I would ask.
Aloha & Mahalo
Nick |
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| TheWorm |
quote:
Originally posted by GCK
My dealer in the SF Bay area told me that the 02s have a hole under the mirror to drain the water away from the channel. He had this information confirmed from his Acura representative.
I am not sure why Acura did not issue a TSB for this yet. Maybe they are worried about drilling holes on the mirrors.
Actually, the '01 also has the channel and hole in the mirror housing, but that's not the problem. The problem is that there is a foam grommet that is not waterproof/repellant in the mirror housing on the A-pillar -- it actually retains water like a sponge. The water enters through the mirror housing itself (through the "wire pipe") and also through the gaps around the mirror mount itself. It also may enter through the hinged portion of the mirror.
Rail dissected a mirror and did a self-fix, which shows all the parts and the only known solution at this time: http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/show...=weeping+mirror |
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| DMor |
I will post my Mirror Fix in the PROBLEMS thread later today.
It involves rimming the triangular piece (door side) with rope caulk which will repel most water. You can slide this under the trim, if you're careful. This will keep most water from entering from above, etc. Cleans up with paint thinner...IS easily removable.
The second stage of the FIX involves PIPE WRAP tape and lining the base of the mirror SHELF. This is the area the mirror pivots across. The mirror pivots both directions to reveal some slits on the base. It's my belief that the water runs around the mirror and drips through these slits. Use a biz card or something small and you'll see what I mean. I pipe wrapped this area, including the gasket against the door. You can't see the fix when done correctly.
Idea here is keep water from penetrating the water soaking gasket. We may not eliminate it completely because of design flaw. But we CAN slow it down. Mine stopped?
Inside of mirror has drain hole. You can't keep water from entering the mirror housing from the front...but it IS designed to pool and drain between the mirror housing and black ARM. This is a temporary WATER WHIP condition.
Other water drain area is pivot post inside. But...using tape near this post deflects some of the potential water. Basically, this whole housing acts as a drain IMO...soaks the gasket...and drip drip drip.
Will post pics of my fix and details later. :) |
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| wmquan |
| Wasn't there some general advance warning, a few months in advance, that a Thud TSB was in the offing? If so, if we haven't heard anything about a weeping mirror TSB, it may be out at least that much time and probably more. |
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| TheWorm |
quote:
Originally posted by wmquan
Wasn't there some general advance warning, a few months in advance, that a Thud TSB was in the offing? If so, if we haven't heard anything about a weeping mirror TSB, it may be out at least that much time and probably more.
I think it was either bilmat or jdford, about 2 months ago, stated their dealer said a mirror TSB was in the works. We bumped the thread for awhile, but it hasn't reappeared in weeks (all the replies said "bump" and "bump again"). That was the last we heard. |
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| Crem de la SUV |
Since there are a few open threads on the same topic, perhaps we could consolidate into Dmor’s thread.
Alas, it is the most recent, but I have put my $0.02 there, and Dmor has presented a nice low-effort fix. |
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| jford62 |
| It was my dealer who told me that several months ago. No word since then and my window still gets wet on the INSIDE after a good rain or car wash. This is related to the weeping mirror - I do not believe there is a simple fix for this. |
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| DMor |
I have noticed some moisture on the inside, first 1/3 of my window if I roll it down after a rain or wash. My theory is that each side of the the window seals actually touch and transfer water when the window is down. If you stick your fingers in there, you'll notice that the seal forms a "V" on each side. The inside of the "V" (seal) has a water absorbing material on the glass side. AND because it's a "V" shape, I believe it naturally catches water (as designed) and could transfer water if the sides touch.
I don't notice as much water along the top inside of the window, but I sometimes DO notice it along the inside 1/3 as mentioned. I believe this is because the top portion of the glass itself does a better job of separating the seal because it's closer to the top. The further the glass recesses into the door (as in first 1/3 of the window curve) the better the opportunity for the seals to KISS and transfer water because the glass is not present to separate the seal.
I haven't checked, but suspect there's little or no problem with this in the back windows, since the windows don't go all the way down in the first place (unfortunately).
I doubt much water is actually getting into the door itself. I hope this makes sense. :) |
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| Nxtr06 |
| Five hours after washing, waiting for a fix!!! |
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| tdnone |
| Just washed the MDX last night and had the exact same problem this morning: drips (both sides), whip (driver side) and moisture (actually wet streaks) in driver window both inside and outside all the way top to bottom for the forward third of the window. I did not lower the passenger side or the rear windows to know. |
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| DMor |
I guess you guys know that the mirror weep and window weep are different animals, right? You can't do much about the window weep since the little "V" shaped molded channels are prone to HOLD water. They're probably made to hold it rather than have it run down the inside of the door. So...if the car is wet...or recently washed and you roll the window down while those channels are still wet inside...it WILL streak your window glass on BOTH sides.
The Mirror Weep is a different malady and I attempted a FIX in this thread.
I'd like to add that it might NOT work right away! Depending on the current moisture in your gasket...it might need to dry out a little. Some water may still enter, depending on how well you use the pipe wrap tape...but the drip should decrease as the gasket dries from previous washings and absorbs LESS water because of the fix.
Mine does not drip anymore on the one side that I fixed. It drips like crazy on the other.
Pipe Wrap tape and Rope Caulk is a cheap fix...really. All we can hope to do is improve a crappy design. :) Unless you want to remove your mirrors, wrap the gasket and caulk per Rail's Fix. |
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| Nxtr06 |
I understand it is a design flaw and probably easily fixed with an improved gasket or something easier.
I am sure (hoping) that they are aware of this problem and have remedied it on the 02's, making a fix available for the 01 as well.
I just cannot justify the ripping apart of my $38K MDX and wrapping the mirror gasket in saran wrap or filling in the housing with gorilla snot (RTV).
It is an inconvience as well as an annoyance but I still LUV the MDX.
Aloha & Mahalo
Nick |
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| metmdx |
"I just cannot justify the ripping apart of my $38K MDX and wrapping the mirror gasket in saran wrap or filling in the housing with gorilla snot (RTV)."
Well said nxtr06. Acura are you listening ??????????????
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| VA Tech Hokie |
| Being a "MDX wannabe" ('02' ordered), I called the Acura customer service number(1-800-382-2238) to see if I could get any information as to how they are handling some of MDX related problems, which have been discussed on this site. We talked quite a bit about dealers and customer treatment and I was told Acura gets several complaints about dealers and they discuss the problems with the dealers and at this time that is about all they can do. (IMO, I think they should do more than just talk with them - limit their quotas - hit them in the billfold.) The CSR said most of the complaints related to the dealers selling someone elses ordered car to someone who was willing to pay more for the car. I asked about the "weeping mirror" problem and was told Acura is aware of the problem and the engineers are working on a fix. I asked if this meant the fix would not show on the "02" and the CSR said he did not have any information about the "02"s. I will be very disappointed to find the weeping mirror problem has existed for many months and the problem is not corrected on the new model. I asked if there were someone I could talk with who could give me any information related to the "weeping mirror" fix and again his answer was "no"..... So, for what it is worth, this is what I learned when I called Acura customer service.... |
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