| Sullyman |
| Had dinner with my connection tonight. He indicated that the American Honda launch of new cars in Vegas is only 2 weeks away, so info is becoming readily available. He confirmed 260hp for 2002 MDX. Reason given was that the Honda version of MDX is bigger and will be introduced to dealers in Vegas. He indicated that the Honda version will be close to the size of a Tahoe:eek: I'll let you know more as I find out. |
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| lester123 |
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Originally posted by Sullyman
Had dinner with my connection tonight. He indicated that the American Honda launch of new cars in Vegas is only 2 weeks away, so info is becoming readily available. He confirmed 260hp for 2002 MDX. Reason given was that the Honda version of MDX is bigger and will be introduced to dealers in Vegas. He indicated that the Honda version will be close to the size of a Tahoe:eek: I'll let you know more as I find out.
Thanks for the early "heads-up", since I have a 2002 on order. Is this the one that takes regular gas? |
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| metmdx |
260 HP :confused:
Sorry to say, but I'm just a tad skeptical about this revelation. We have had no other confirmation of this rumor (which has been around a while now), and while I know Honda usually is very secretive about their intentions, I'd be surprised if they were able to keep this one off the radar screen this long....
just my .03 worth
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| RGWomack |
| Not what the new brochure said. I looked at it pretty closely as far as engine, drivetrain etc., and it was all the same. The MDX brochure was in the sample kit with the ad cd's so the dealers may not have brochures to give away yet, but it wont be long. |
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| genemish |
| 260HP would be AWESOMe.. those ML430 people with 268HP V8 gas guzzler engines will shut up for good.. Where can I order a 2002 brochure? |
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| msu79gt82 |
... of Acura's website. But I did not check to be certain.
As far as the 2002 engine goes I believe what Roger says, and even if/when they do go 260hp I'm certain it will still require Premium fuel!
Upscale/premium/luxury cars always do. |
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| genemish |
| the website still has 2001 brochures.. and i think i have 3 of those already!!! hahahah.. I am wondering how to get the 2002 brochure.. |
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| GCK |
I saw the 2002 Borchure, and there was no mention of any increase of HP. If my memory serves right, I remember seeing premium fuel required for the 2002s also.
Was Sullyman mentioning about 2003? |
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| mystMDX |
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Originally posted by genemish
the website still has 2001 brochures.. and i think i have 3 of those already!!! hahahah.. I am wondering how to get the 2002 brochure..
If you would like to download a pdf 2001 MDX brochure Online (albeit canadian) go here.
http://english.acuracanada.ca/model...AcuraMDXEng.pdf |
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| vicpai |
| I think Sullyman is referring to the 2003 model....because even the Motor Trend "future vehicle forecast" says the engine displacement for the 2003 model is likely to be increased to 3.8 Liters accompanied by a horsepower and torque increase as well!! :) |
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| mjhorwitz |
We have the 2002 brochure at our dealership, and it confirms the horsepower staying at 240. Premium fuel is still "recommended", not required.
Feel free to e-mail or call with any questions:
561-307-1097 |
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| zzdawg |
How about those loud mouth TrailBlazer people? Their V6 produces 270HP on regular gasoline! The point of this is be happy with what you purchase. If you are bothered by the ML people because you are purchasing the MDX, maybe you should look at something else.
Good Luck!
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Originally posted by genemish
260HP would be AWESOMe.. those ML430 people with 268HP V8 gas guzzler engines will shut up for good.. Where can I order a 2002 brochure?
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| wmquan |
Uh, let's play nice now.
I'm sure Sullyman meant the 2003 MDX, look at the phrasing of his message. As it is, 260hp for the 2003 MDX isn't that special given where the engines should be at that time. Plenty of good V6's out there with 260hp.
FWIW, ML430 has been discontinued and replaced with an ML500 with a larger, more powerful V8. Unfortunately its price comes into the neighborhood of an ML55 AMG! |
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| zzdawg |
HP ratings measured when the engine is running at high RPMs are not that intersting anyway since no one will run their engine at those RPMs for long. More important is the available torque at lower RPMs. Higher Torque@Lower RPM the better. This really affects the "fun factor" of the vehicle and is the difference between one which seems sluggish and one that seems very sporty.
There is always a trade off between low RPM torque and high RPM HP, but the Honda engines with variable timing (such as the MDX) achieve a very good compromise between the two. |
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| saloveku |
| I agree with zzdawg. The Saab has low end torque on the 9-5 which makes it seem much more powerful in the hp departmetn than it really is. For me, pickup is much more important from 40 mph to 60 mph than it is from 60 mph to 80 mph! |
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| wmquan |
| I think everyone's right. It really depends on how you use the power. Lack of torque can be annoying if it's missing in the lower power band. But I was reminded today of the benefits of having good 60-80mph power too. We had to pass an RV on a mountain pass, while traveling uphill (or rather, up-mountain) on that pass, and where there's only one lane running in each direction. No problem! |
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| kenyee |
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Originally posted by genemish
those ML430 people with 268HP V8 gas guzzler engines will shut up for good..
zzdawg is right. In real life driving, a broad big torque band starting at low RPM is more important, and especially important on anything that tows. Take a look at the torque curve on the ML430/320; MB tuned these engines to have less HP and more torque than the same engine in their cars. This is also why diesel engines are great on trucks (lots of torque, low HP).
That being said, the MDX torque curve was well designed. The quarterly mag that Acura sends me had a description of the MDX's design process last year. They had to come up w/ a new engine w/ the right torque curve because current Acura engines did not (though they have great HP numbers)... |
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| genemish |
| What's the HP on the new ML500? |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by genemish
What's the HP on the new ML500?
288 hp. More significantly, 325 lb. torque @ 2,700 - 4,250 rpm.
That's up from the ML430's 268hp, 288 lb torque.
Unfortunately, the ML500, once configured, is quite expensive.
Say Ken, is it really true that the 2002 ML320 is 200 lbs heavier? Guess the side curtain airbag and other 2002 improvements cost some weight. |
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| kenyee |
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Originally posted by wmquan
Say Ken, is it really true that the 2002 ML320 is 200 lbs heavier? Guess the side curtain airbag and other 2002 improvements cost some weight.
I wouldn't be surprised. Someone compared brochures and came up w/ the difference. Gas mileage is also worse at 2mpg less than the MY2001. The new alloys and tires probably have something to do with it too.
I wish the diesel fuel is better here so they'd bring the new Euro diesels over. I still want to try out the ML270CDI. Small engine, but it supposedly moves the ML around like a toy car because of all its torque :-) |
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| C&J01MDX |
I cannot confirm HP ratings...all's I can say is that there was a develop schedule for the 02 MDX engine....basically meaning there must be new parts on the 02 engine and not just a carry over....what they are I have no idea.
Also...the honda version is abit larger than the MDX...although vary similar exterior styling!
The first pre production build of the 02 mdx is this week...and the first development build of the honda was maybe last week....so i suppose these could be unvailed very soon.
p.s. there maybe 2 engines for 03?
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| wmquan |
By the Honda version being "a bit" larger than the MDX, do you think it'll be as long as the Odyssey? Do you know if the extra room is going for the third-row passengers, or to add more cargo space behind the third row?
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| Foxbat |
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Originally posted by C&J01MDX
Also...the honda version is abit larger than the MDX...although vary similar exterior styling!
Does that mean most people will rush to buy Honda version and we will see lower/discounted price on Acura version? :D
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| Mikel |
| Interesting to hear that the Honda version will be the size of a Tahoe. Back when the MDX was just rumors it was supposed to be the size of...a Tahoe! |
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| wmquan |
A lot of folks were surprised the MDX was as larger as it is, and had expected the MDX to be smaller, while the Honda SUV to be the MDX's size. Looks like Honda is really going the bigger-is-better route.
They already took it with the Odyssey, which was substantially bigger than the Sienna and just big in general.
It may not be a bad move, with a decent amount of buyers with growing families, always craving more room. |
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| Rafter |
| THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING IT APPEARS THAT THE FUTURE SUVS WILL BE HYBRID OF A MINIVAN AND SUV.:rolleyes: |
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| JFK |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by zzdawg
[B]How about those loud mouth TrailBlazer people? Their V6 produces 270HP on regular gasoline.
I thought that the TrailBlazer was a straight 6???? |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by JFK
I thought that the TrailBlazer was a straight 6???? [/B]
Hi JFK. The Chevy has a big 4.2 liter I6 that punches out 270 hp and 275 lb/ft torque.
Dan Jedlicka has some interesting comments on the engine in his review of the Trailblaze. Good comparison of a high-revving 6 when a V8 might have been expected:
http://carpoint.msn.com/Vip/Jedlick...Blazer/2002.asp |
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| zzdawg |
Yes it is a shame there are not more diesels over here. The new ML-400 CDI is not available in the US because of our high sulfur diesel Mercedes has withdrawn all of its diesel vehicles in the market. I have heard this may be true for VW also.
Though expensive the ML-400 is rated at 250HP, 415lbs at 1700 rpm! and still manages to get around 35mpg hwy.
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Originally posted by kenyee
I wouldn't be surprised. Someone compared brochures and came up w/ the difference. Gas mileage is also worse at 2mpg less than the MY2001. The new alloys and tires probably have something to do with it too.
I wish the diesel fuel is better here so they'd bring the new Euro diesels over. I still want to try out the ML270CDI. Small engine, but it supposedly moves the ML around like a toy car because of all its torque :-)
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| zzdawg |
| My guess is that Honda is eyeballing the large number of Ford Explorers and Cherokees that are sold each year. If so, the new SUV will be sized and outfitted to compete squarely in this market. I would not be surprised if they even produced a 2WD model to get the price down enough to compete in the lower end. |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by zzdawg
I would not be surprised if they even produced a 2WD model to get the price down enough to compete in the lower end.
Agreed; Toyota sells FWD Highlanders (and Lexus still sells FWD RX's), so it'd be logical for Honda to put out a FWD SUV. The only reason I could think of them not doing it, and it's a legitimate one, is if it ended up too similar to the Odyssey (especially since the platform is shared and rumors have the Honda SUV approaching the Odyssey in size). Then again, Toyota doesn't seem to think that Siennas compete with FWD Highlanders. |
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| Flashcrunch |
I suppose it is possible that they could increase the horsepower for the 2002 as they did with the Type S TL's etc, but most information indicates otherwise. If anyone gets the magazine "Automotive News" it seems apparent that there will be an engine hp increase in 2003. The article says mostly what was written by Motortrend......"Acura's sport wagon arrived last fall and has been a hot seller since day one. A more powerful 3.8-liter V-6 will replace the 3.5-liter V-6 for the 2003 model year."
...and as for the new Honda version of the MDX..."Passport/sport wagon: A sport wagon based off the Acura MDX will bow for the 2003 model year as a replacement for the Isuzu-sourced Passport. But the unnamed vehicle will not be an MDX clone; it will have a longer wheelbase and it's own styling."
Take care,
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| s2ktaxi |
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Originally posted by zzdawg
HP ratings measured when the engine is running at high RPMs are not that intersting anyway since no one will run their engine at those RPMs for long. More important is the available torque at lower RPMs. Higher Torque@Lower RPM the better. This really affects the "fun factor" of the vehicle and is the difference between one which seems sluggish and one that seems very sporty.
There is always a trade off between low RPM torque and high RPM HP, but the Honda engines with variable timing (such as the MDX) achieve a very good compromise between the two.
I'd rather have the higher hp at higher revs - makes the vehicle more sporty. The MDX sounds better up to redline than most other SUV's out there. |
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| metmdx |
Interesting how Sullyman started this thread and disappeared after his inital post....wonder if he went after his "deep throat" ?
:D metmdx |
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| Sullyman |
I didn't dissapear. Rather than go back and forth about who's right and wrong I figured we were close enough (1 week) to finding out for sure. My Contact is very high up in the company. That doesn't mean he/she is always right; however, I can tell you that GG was on it's way out and after I discussed the popularity of that color in Socal with them, they went back and discovered that GG accounted for 18% of sales in Socal. Low and behold GG is back for 2002:p If my post about the horsepower is incorrect I'll be the first to stand up and say, "I'm a believe the hype dip5hit". But if I'm right there are a number of senior members on this forum that should eat some crow.
ps, I'm still trying to figure out the "deep throat" comment????? |
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| marne |
It's probably a reference to the still unrevealed Watergate source alias for Woodward and Bernstein at the Washington Post. See the book or movie titled "'All the President's Men."
Of course, it could reference another movie...
--Marne |
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| DarkAcura |
| I just got my copy of Road and Track and the cover story is new for 2002. They said absolutely nothing about the MDX, but then again they didn't mention any SUV's. May be if there are changes to it, they will write about it next month. |
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| AtlantaMDX |
quote:
Originally posted by marne
It's probably a reference to the still unrevealed Watergate source alias for Woodward and Bernstein at the Washington Post. See the book or movie titled "'All the President's Men."
Of course, it could reference another movie...
--Marne
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| metmdx |
quote:
Originally posted by marne
It's probably a reference to the still unrevealed Watergate source alias for Woodward and Bernstein at the Washington Post. See the book or movie titled "'All the President's Men."
Of course, it could reference another movie...
--Marne
Thanks, Marne.....I didn't think I'd have to give a history lesson on that point. Anyway, sorry I've been away...with this whole WTC thing going on, these discussions have taken a back seat (or even 3rd seat:p )....If anything recent events reinforce my original premise....don't believe anything you hear....there have been bazillions of false/inaccurate/bizarre reports generated by tihis whole thing, no one knows what the hell the truth is anymore!
Sully....didn't mean to offend, was just curious about you're absence..(as I'm hoping you did mine :o )...
Cheers
God Bless America !
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