| laborlitigator |
Well, since football is over and I can't stand watching the hearless Knicks, let's get it started.
Looks like the other team in NY started off with a coup by signing Mr. Santana.
Minnesota got fleeced in this deal. I would have taken Phllips/Cabrera over the garbage they got from the Mets.
Then again, maybe it's better the Yanks stayed with youth. |
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| mullysalt |
| Go get 'em Tigers!:4: |
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| laborlitigator |
Odds to win the 2008 World Series Championship Odds
Arizona Diamondbacks 22/1
Atlanta Braves 30/1
Baltimore Orioles 150/1
Boston Red Sox 7/2
Chicago Cubs 12/1
Chicago White Sox 25/1
Cincinnati Reds 50/1
Cleveland Indians 10/1
Colorado Rockies 25/1
Detroit Tigers 5/1
Florida Marlins 150/1
Houston Astros 60/1
Kansas City Royals 200/1
Los Angeles Angels 10/1
Los Angeles Dodgers 25/1
Milwaukee Brewers 30/1
Minnesota Twins 40/1
New York Mets 4/1
New York Yankees 5/1
Oakland Athletics 65/1
Philadelphia Phillies 20/1
Pittsburgh Pirates 200/1
San Diego Padres 25/1
San Francisco Giants 100/1
Seattle Mariners 25/1
St Louis Cardinals 40/1
Tampa Bay Devil Rays 150/1
Texas Rangers 100/1
Toronto Blue Jays 30/1
Washington Nationals 200/1 |
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| gdot |
I'm excited to see how my Mariner's will do this year. With the trade for Bedard, our starting rotation is looking real good.
Bedard
Hernandez
Silva
Bautista
Washburn
But, with the Mariners luck all five players they traded will be All Stars. |
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| hammermdx |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM...U5Ydhpv58QzoxyA
Can't wait for Wednesday's drama.
I wonder if Andy's is going to give him up in any way.
Not yet, per the NY Times, http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/12/s...&hp&oref=slogin :
WASHINGTON — The chairman of the House Oversight Committee is supporting Andy Pettitte’s request not to have to testify publicly against his former teammate Roger Clemens at a public hearing on Wednesday, a congressional staff person said Monday.
The chairman, Democrat Henry A. Waxman of California, wants to take Pettitte off the witness list but he is consulting with Republican members of the panel first, said the person, who asked to remain anonymous because he was not authorized to speak publicly.
Two other people familiar with the case said it is also possible that Clemens and his accuser, the former trainer Brian McNamee, may be the only witnesses who will ultimately testify on Wednesday.
Pettitte asked out of public testimony because he did not want to say something to hurt his friend and former teammate while in the glare of national television coverage, according to a government official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
There has been no final decision on Pettitte’s request, the official said. A final witness list may be released shortly.
Pettitte, former major league infielder Chuck Knoblauch and Kirk Radomski, a former clubhouse attendant who sold drugs to McNamee and dozens of major league ballplayers, were on the original witness list and in a lineup published in a committee briefing memo on Friday
Pettitte, who gave a key deposition behind closed doors last week, is a longtime friend, former teammate and workout partner of Clemens. Like Clemens, he was also a client of McNamee, the trainer who stated in the Mitchell report that he injected Clemens at least 16 times with steroids and human-growth hormone in 1998, 2000 and 2001.
Pettitte has admitted McNamee was truthful in the Mitchell report about injecting him with H.G.H. in 2002.
McNamee’s lawyers say that Pettitte, in the past, talked with both McNamee and Clemens, separately, about Clemens’s use of human-growth hormone.
Clemens has denied taking any performance-enhancing drugs. His lawyers say Clemens will testify that he did not talk with Pettitte about drug use.
After Pettitte gave a two-and-a-half-hour deposition to committee lawyers on Feb. 4, he emerged looking shaken, and since then lawyers involved in the case say they think he gave testimony that could hurt Clemens.
Because Pettitte’s deposition is available to all of the 41 committee members, information he provided can still be used by them to question Clemens during Wednesday’s hearing and to evaluate his answers. Pettitte, presumably, does not want to be present when, and if, his words are used against Clemens.
A lawyer familiar with the matter also said that one of Pettitte’s lawyers has been contacted by Jeff Novitzky, the Internal Revenue Service agent who has led federal criminal investigations into steroid use by elite athletes and into allegations that such athletes lied in official statements.
Novitzky is expected to attend the hearing on Wednesday. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by gdot
I'm excited to see how my Mariner's will do this year. With the trade for Bedard, our starting rotation is looking real good.
Bedard
Hernandez
Silva
Bautista
Washburn
But, with the Mariners luck all five players they traded will be All Stars.
With 25-1, it might be worth laying down longshot money. |
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| keremoner |
| I like BoSox chances with or without Schilling. They have a great pitching staff. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
I like BoSox chances with or without Schilling. They have a great pitching staff.
You are the proverbial favorites. Just like your Pats were.
BTW, wonder if the Sox should have gone after Santana more. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
BTW, wonder if the Sox should have gone after Santana more.
I think not. Price was to steep. Buckholtz and Elsberry look to be stars of the future, and the future may well be now. |
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| laborlitigator |
Likewise, I'm glad the Yanks didn't give up Hughes.
It should be interesting to see how the Yanks pitchers will line up.
You've got Pettitte, Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and Mussina. |
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
You've got Pettitte, Wang, Hughes, Chamberlain, Kennedy and Mussina.
Nope. I don't have any of them. |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Odds to win the 2008 World Series Championship Odds
Arizona Diamondbacks 22/1
Atlanta Braves 30/1
Baltimore Orioles 150/1
Boston Red Sox 7/2
Chicago Cubs 12/1
Chicago White Sox 25/1
Cincinnati Reds 50/1
Cleveland Indians 10/1
Colorado Rockies 25/1
Detroit Tigers 5/1
Florida Marlins 150/1
Houston Astros 60/1
Kansas City Royals 200/1
Los Angeles Angels 10/1
Los Angeles Dodgers 25/1
Milwaukee Brewers 30/1
Minnesota Twins 40/1
New York Mets 4/1
New York Yankees 5/1
Oakland Athletics 65/1
Philadelphia Phillies 20/1
Pittsburgh Pirates 200/1
San Diego Padres 25/1
San Francisco Giants 100/1
Seattle Mariners 25/1
St Louis Cardinals 40/1
Tampa Bay Devil Rays 150/1
Texas Rangers 100/1
Toronto Blue Jays 30/1
Washington Nationals 200/1
Where did those come from? 22/1 seems a bit low for Arizona, 5/1 seems too high for the Yanks.
I am driving up to Vegas tomorrow morning, I may have to throw some cash on a few of these :) |
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| keremoner |
| Seems like Clemens may be seeing a slammer from the inside unless he is pardoned. |
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| hammermdx |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Seems like Clemens may be seeing a slammer from the inside unless he is pardoned.
One can only hope, what a dirtbag! |
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| gmc74 |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Seems like Clemens may be seeing a slammer from the inside unless he is pardoned.
I don't think it will happen, nothing can be proven at this point.
Since he admitted to getting shots of B12, there is no surprise that there would be a needle with his DNA on it. From there, the gauze and needle can easily have been tampered with.
Whether or not he did or did not do roids, I have no idea (nor do I care), but I do know proving it is going to be impossible.
BTW, his trainer is creepy, he saved that s**t for years just to be able to do this, that is crazy! |
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| keremoner |
I'd agree with that. What people will do to be infamous!!
quote:
Originally posted by gmc74
BTW, his trainer is creepy, he saved that s**t for years just to be able to do this, that is crazy!
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| Maik |
quote:
Originally posted by gmc74
I don't think it will happen, nothing can be proven at this point.
Since he admitted to getting shots of B12, there is no surprise that there would be a needle with his DNA on it. From there, the gauze and needle can easily have been tampered with.
Whether or not he did or did not do roids, I have no idea (nor do I care), but I do know proving it is going to be impossible.
BTW, his trainer is creepy, he saved that s**t for years just to be able to do this, that is crazy!
Clemens is a liar. Can't really believe that he took vB shots in the ass? For what? There is no benefit.
I think we should sue the Yankees for cheating...Clemens, Pettite, Nobloch, et al |
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| keremoner |
Hey, why not. If Pats are in hot water of sorts, so should the Yankees. Maybe we can strip them of their WS titles (oops, I forgot, they haven't been winning lately) Just kidding of course.
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
I think we should sue the Yankees for cheating...Clemens, Pettite, Nobloch, et al
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Hey, why not. If Pats are in hot water of sorts, so should the Yankees. Maybe we can strip them of their WS titles (oops, I forgot, they haven't been winning lately) Just kidding of course.
Yeah, Joe Torre was sitting in the bleachers stealing signs. . . .
Remember, the Mitchell Report was drafted by an individual who sits on the Bosox Board of Directors. No wonder the focus was on New York teams. |
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| keremoner |
Between Clemens and Pettit, those should have been worth a few wins. And a few wins would be the difference between who won the division some of those years.
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Yeah, Joe Torre was sitting in the bleachers stealing signs. . . .
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Between Clemens and Pettit, those should have been worth a few wins. And a few wins would be the difference between who won the division some of those years.
I see, and your case study that shows HGH and/or steroids improves velocity/location/durability is where? |
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| keremoner |
I assume they are not recreational drugs....
There are plenty of studies to show they are performance enhancing agents. They help you heal faster and increase strength and stamina. Why do you think they are illegal??
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
I see, and your case study that shows HGH and/or steroids improves velocity/location/durability is where?
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
I assume they are not recreational drugs....
There are plenty of studies to show they are performance enhancing agents. They help you heal faster and increase strength and stamina. Why do you think they are illegal??
Plenty of them. . . where? Marijuana is illegal, does it make you play better?
Now I feel like I'm defending Clemens, which I'm not, but show me a legitimate study that proves HGH enhances the ability to pitch. Then, I'll concede the point. |
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| hammermdx |
| Who knows for sure if they enhance performance or help you heal faster, not sure if that is the point. The point is they are banned substances, and if you use them you are breaking the rules. |
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| laborlitigator |
| OK, then take Gaylord Perry out of the Hall of Fame also. |
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| hammermdx |
| You can take them all out if they admitted it or deny it but it can be 100% proven as far as I'm concerned. |
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| gmc74 |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
Clemens is a liar. Can't really believe that he took vB shots in the ass? For what? There is no benefit.
I think we should sue the Yankees for cheating...Clemens, Pettite, Nobloch, et al
There are actually a lot of benefits of B12 shots, and they are very common in sports |
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| gmc74 |
quote:
Originally posted by hammermdx
You can take them all out if they admitted it or deny it but it can be 100% proven as far as I'm concerned.
I don't think this can be proven. |
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| gmc74 |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
OK, then take Gaylord Perry out of the Hall of Fame also.
Hop out of lawyer mode for a moment would ya?
There are different levels of breaking the rules... if there wasn't, then throwing a spit ball, and throwing the world series would have the same lifetime ban from baseball, but they don't. |
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| hammermdx |
quote:
Originally posted by gmc74
I don't think this can be proven.
So true...... |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by gmc74
Hop out of lawyer mode for a moment would ya?
There are different levels of breaking the rules... if there wasn't, then throwing a spit ball, and throwing the world series would have the same lifetime ban from baseball, but they don't.
OK, so doctoring a baseball, which arguably has more of a direct effect on the flight of a ball, is ok but taken a substance that is assumed to assist in velocity, etc. is ok.
Great logic.
If you let Perry in, they should let Clemens in because he was dominant even before the HGH/steroids timeline. |
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| gmc74 |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
OK, so doctoring a baseball, which arguably has more of a direct effect on the flight of a ball, is ok but taken a substance that is assumed to assist in velocity, etc. is ok.
Great logic.
If you let Perry in, they should let Clemens in because he was dominant even before the HGH/steroids timeline.
so if I go 46 mph in a 45 mph zone, that is the same as doing 200 mph through a 15 mph school zone?
Should we treat petty theives the same as rapists and child molesters? Breaking the law is breaking the law afterall...
Maybe George Brett should be out because of the pine tar incident, which is now legal of course...
You asked if taking Steroids or HGH can be proven to make someone pitch faster, more accurate, etc? No, it obviously can not, but you knew that before you asked it.
What you didn't ask is if it can unnaturely increase muscle mass, which can make you throw the ball harder. Or, if it can unnaturly speed up the recovery period after an injury?
You didn't ask those questions, because you know the answers to those questions and they don't support your argument. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by gmc74
so if I go 46 mph in a 45 mph zone, that is the same as doing 200 mph through a 15 mph school zone?
Should we treat petty theives the same as rapists and child molesters? Breaking the law is breaking the law afterall...
Maybe George Brett should be out because of the pine tar incident, which is now legal of course...
You asked if taking Steroids or HGH can be proven to make someone pitch faster, more accurate, etc? No, it obviously can not, but you knew that before you asked it.
What you didn't ask is if it can unnaturely increase muscle mass, which can make you throw the ball harder. Or, if it can unnaturly speed up the recovery period after an injury?
You didn't ask those questions, because you know the answers to those questions and they don't support your argument.
I guess it is the lawyer in me. . . |
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| hammermdx |
While we're on the subject of dishonesty and cheating, LL did you ever get your undergraduate degree?
http://www.cjnj.org/html/documents/14041242.pdf
Office of Attorney Ethics
P.O. Box 963
Trenton, NJ 08625
(609) 530-4008
Trial Counsel: Nitza I. Blasini, Esq.
OFFICE OF ATTORNEY ETHICS,
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DOCKET NO: XIV-04-142E
Complainant,
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DISCIPLINARY ACTION
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COMPLAINT
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Complex Misconduct
Respondent,
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[R.1:20-4(b)]
Complainant, Office of Attorney Ethics of the Supreme Court of
New Jersey, P.O. Box 963, Trenton, New Jersey 08625, by way of
complaint against respondent, , Esq., says that:
GENERAL ALLEGATIONS
1. Respondent was admitted to the New Jersey Bar in 1998. He
maintains an office for the practice of law located at .
2. This matter came to light when, in correspondence dated
February 27, 2004 directed to both Jack J. Wind (Wind), Secretary of District VI Ethics Committee and James A. Scarpone (Scarpone),
Secretary of District VA Ethics Committee, Judy Ann A. Licad
(grievant) advised that respondent may not have completed his
undergraduate degree. Exhibit 1.
3. In her letter, grievant stated that she is employed as a
legal assistant at the law firm of Llorens & Meneses, LLC (Firm)
located in Jersey City, New Jersey, where respondent was “Of Counsel” from April 2000 until July 2003. Id.
4. Grievant further stated that she “stumbled” upon a letter
dated July 5, 2000 archived on the Firm’s network computer hard-drive authored by respondent and addressed to New York University Associate Dean Richard J. Kaib (Kaib) wherein respondent disclosed that he lacked four credits to complete his bachelor’s degree, and, therefore, did not graduate. Id. See also Exhibit 2.
5. Grievant’s letter (Exhibit 1) and attachment (Exhibit 2)
were forwarded to the OAE by Wind. Thereafter, an investigation
ensued. Exhibit 3.
COUNT ONE
Conduct Involving Dishonesty, Deceit, Fraud or isrepresentation, in Violation of RPC 8.4(c) and In Connection with Admission to the Bar, Knowingly Making a False Statement of Material Fact, in Violation of RPC 8.1(a)
1. The OAE’s investigation disclosed that, although respondent
attended New York University’s College of Arts and Science from the fall 1998 term through the spring 1992, no degree was conferred.
Exhibit 4.
2. Despite not earning his bachelor’s degree, respondent
attended Pace University Law School, and ultimately graduated. Prior to his graduation, he never informed Pace of his degree deficiency.
Exhibit 5 and 6.
3. Notwithstanding respondent’s failure to satisfy his
undergraduate requirements, he falsely represented to the Board of Bar Examiners of New Jersey that he had earned his bachelor’s degree.
4. Specifically, in the Certified Statement of Candidate 1
Section 111 EDUCATION, respondent indicated he had earned a bachelor’s degree in history from New York University. In doing so, respondent knowingly made a false statement of material fact to the Board of Bar Examiners. Exhibit 7, pg. 3.
5. Respondent’s conduct as described above violates RPC 8.4(c)
and RPC 8.1(a). WHEREFORE, respondent should be disciplined.
OFFICE OF ATTORNEY ETHICS
DATE: January 23, 2005
BY: /s/ David E. Johnson, Jr.
Director
1 The Certified Statement of Candidate Instructions reads as follows: THE CERTIFIED STATEMENT OF CANDIDATE is to provide the Committee on Character with information relevant to your character and fitness to practice law. PROPER COMPLETION OF THE ATTACHED STATEMENT IS A PREREQUISITE TO YOUR ADMISSION TO THE BAR. Candor and truthfulness are significant elements of fitness. You must, therefore, provide the
Committee with all available information, however, unfavorable, even if you doubt its relevance. Disclosure must be as detailed as possible. Supporting documentation must be included. FAILURE TO DISCLOSE REQUESTED INFORMATION MAY RESULT IN CERTIFICATION BEING WITHHELD. |
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| gmc74 |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
I guess it is the lawyer in me. . .
I would say so... |
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| laborlitigator |
| Just glad the Yanks aren't trying to sign him. . . |
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| laborlitigator |
I'll take my chances with the Yanks. . . they've made the playoffs 13 years straight. I wish they would add another reliever so that they can make Joba a starter.
I want Pettitte, Hughes, Joba and Wang as my four in the playoffs (knock on wood of course). |
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| laborlitigator |
| As for your Mets, adding Santana was a steal. I still think Hughes was a better package but I can understand why they moved him to the NL. |
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I hope they lock him up and throw away the key.......what a mess he has created for himself. This all could have been avoided if he came clean.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3267163
WASHINGTON -- Roger Clemens' denial of steroid use warrants further investigation, Congress said Wednesday in asking the Justice Department to determine whether the star pitcher lied under oath in testimony to a House committee.
House Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman Henry Waxman and ranking Republican Tom Davis sent a letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, urging more scrutiny of Clemens' statements in a Feb. 5 sworn deposition and at a Feb. 13 public hearing where he said he "never used anabolic steroids or human growth hormone."
"That testimony is directly contradicted by the sworn testimony of Brian McNamee, who testified that he personally injected Mr. Clemens with anabolic steroids and human growth hormone," the congressmen wrote.
"Mr. Clemens's testimony is also contradicted by the sworn deposition testimony and affidavit submitted to the committee by Andrew Pettitte, a former teammate of Mr. Clemens, whose testimony and affidavit reported that Mr. Clemens had admitted to him in 1999 or 2000 that he had taken human growth hormone," the letter said.
A Justice Department spokesman told ABC News in response to receiving the letter, "We are reviewing the letter."
McNamee, Clemens' former personal trainer, told federal prosecutors, baseball investigator George Mitchell and Congress that he injected the seven-time Cy Young Award winner at least 16 times with human growth hormone and steroids from 1998 to 2001. Clemens repeatedly and vigorously denied the allegations.
Congress turned its attention to the matter because Clemens' denials of McNamee's allegations questioned the legitimacy of the Mitchell report, prepared by the former Senate majority leader.
After both men stuck to their stories under oath, it was expected that one or the other -- or perhaps both -- would be referred to the Justice Department for a criminal inquiry. Instead, only Clemens faces additional scrutiny, after the committee decided not to refer McNamee.
His prominent place in the Mitchell report tainted the legacy of Clemens, who ranks eighth in major league history with 354 wins. Now his legal fate could rest with the Justice Department, which must decide whether to follow the recommendation and open a probe.
"It's what we expected, but Brian is not joyful about this. No one is celebrating," said McNamee's lead lawyer, Earl Ward. "We think it's a sad and unfortunate situation that one of baseball's greatest pitchers now has the potential of being a defendant in a criminal case. Although we think it's the right decision, no one here is celebrating."
The Feb. 13 hearing generally divided along party lines, with Democrats giving Clemens a rougher time, and Republicans reserving their toughest questions for McNamee.
"Given the letter that the committee has sent out, the Republicans who attacked him owe him an apology because of the manner in which they went after him, calling him a 'drug dealer,' a `liar," Ward said. "The decision to send out a referral letter says quite clearly that Brian McNamee told the truth."
Waxman and Davis jointly appealed to the Justice Department.
"For the good of the investigation and integrity of the committee, we've asked the Department of Justice to get to the bottom of this," Davis said.
Davis was the chairman of the committee when it held its 2005 hearing with Mark McGwire and Rafael Palmeiro.
Clemens' lead lawyer, Rusty Hardin, could not immediately be reached for comment after Waxman and Davis released their letter. But about 20 minutes earlier, when informed by The Associated Press that the criminal referral would be announced Wednesday, Hardin said: "It doesn't surprise me. We've always assumed there would be a referral if Roger testified differently from the Mitchell report."
"We are not in a position to reach a definitive judgment as to whether Mr. Clemens lied to the committee," Waxman and Davis wrote to Mukasey. "Our only conclusion is that significant questions have been raised about Mr. Clemens's truthfulness and that further investigation by the Department of Justice is warranted. We ask that you initiate such an investigation."
Just last month, the same two congressmen asked for an investigation into whether 2002 American League MVP Miguel Tejada lied when he told committee investigators in 2005 that he never took performance enhancers and had no knowledge of other players using or talking about steroids. The FBI did open a preliminary inquiry into that case.
The committee pointed to evidence in the Mitchell report -- which was released in December -- that it said contradicted statements given by Tejada, now with the Houston Astros.
Clemens was at the Astros' spring training camp in Kissimmee, Fla., on Wednesday, pitching in an indoor batting cage when the committee announced its decision. Clemens emerged to sign autographs and ignored several questions from reporters about what happened in Washington.
Clemens did not respond, then ducked into the minor league clubhouse.
The Associated Press contributed to this report. |
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| laborlitigator |
Giambi came clean - and was welcomed back with open arms. . .
Roger should have simply said I did it but judge me on my entire career, not the last 1/4 or so.
Generally, we do forgive as long as its done with a mea culpa. |
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| hammermdx |
quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
Giambi came clean - and was welcomed back with open arms. . .
Roger should have simply said I did it but judge me on my entire career, not the last 1/4 or so.
Generally, we do forgive as long as its done with a mea culpa.
Exactly, no one is perfect and we all make mistakes, it's how you handle yourself once it becomes known that shows your true character. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by hammermdx
Exactly, no one is perfect and we all make mistakes, it's how you handle yourself once it becomes known that shows your true character.
Even though I'm a Yankee fan, he was never really embraced. He should just shut his mouth and retire. |
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| gmc74 |
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Originally posted by hammermdx
One step closer to a new set of pin stripes for him: http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/23342772/site/21683474/
They will never be able to prove that Clemens did it, unless he admits it or someone has audio/video of him asking for it or being given it, all of which seem unlikely. |
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| hammermdx |
quote:
Originally posted by gmc74
They will never be able to prove that Clemens did it, unless he admits it or someone has audio/video of him asking for it or being given it, all of which seem unlikely.
True, but now all they have to prove is that he lied under oath.......and I doubt any of these guys will see jail time. |
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| laborlitigator |
Marion Jones is serving 6 months and Barry is being prosecuted. I think the DOJ has to attempt to prosecute just to show evenhandedness.
Rusty Harden was probably looking at dragging this process out as long as possible. I think he did his client a disservice. |
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| gmc74 |
quote:
Originally posted by hammermdx
True, but now all they have to prove is that he lied under oath.......and I doubt any of these guys will see jail time.
yeah, the word of a storied athlete loved by many vs that of a drug dealer and snitch... I am not sure it will be that easy to prove he lied under oath, unless he admits it. |
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| hammermdx |
quote:
Originally posted by gmc74
yeah, the word of a storied athlete loved by many vs that of a drug dealer and snitch... I am not sure it will be that easy to prove he lied under oath, unless he admits it.
Time will tell, don't foget about Andy Petite, he is very credible if forced to testify. |
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| gmc74 |
quote:
Originally posted by hammermdx
Time will tell, don't foget about Andy Petite, he is very credible if forced to testify.
He has already said that he doesn't know if Clemens did or didn't take anything, if says anything else it would be a contradiction to his previous statement, and he will be a useless witness. In other words, he can't hurt Clemens at this point |
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| hammermdx |
I think they will try to nail Clemens on the perjury charge by proving if they can:
1. He was at the Canseco Party,
2. What he did or did not say to Andy Petite,
In my opinion the supposedly syringes and gauze pads are useless since there was no custody of evidence chain. I agree with you that this will be tough and they will never be able to prove if he actually was ever injected with a banned substance. |
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| mullysalt |
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TIGERS
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