| 1badsterling |
:3: The recent price hike in gas bites. I rarely drive the X now, since the price of gas went up (Actually wife took hid the keys from me). She knows when I drive the X, I get tempted to floor the damn thing just to hear the vtec roar, and she gets mad because it ends up drinking gas like it's nothing. I tell her that it's good for the engine because I'm letting it breathe:D However, she does not buy my story.
How much is everyone else paying for gas? Over here in the SF Bay Area it's $4.47/gal last time I pumped. What are members here doing to help ease the pain at the pump? (besides downing a cold six pack of chelada's):2: |
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| 07aspenx |
| In San Diego I pay $3.65 for 91 unleaded. I rarely drive the X to work, it's mostly driven during the weekend with the wifey and my newborn. |
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| midnightMDX |
| Chicago - Last time I filled up it was $3.29 a gallon for 93 octane. Parts of the city can be 20-30 cents more. I try not to use it for short trips. I just been trying to drive slower on the highway and being easy on the throttle. Barely hitting Vtec these days. :( I jump into my subaru to get my need for speed fix. |
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| bimmerguy288 |
| $3.30 for #93 where I live in Maryland. |
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| frenchnew |
A good price for gas up here is $4.65 per US Gallon and it can be as expensive as $5.02 in some regions (Montreal)
Not to stir any bad mojo but if you are concerned about the price of gas why did you buy an SUV to start?
Best regards from somewhere north of Montreal, Canada
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| bimmerguy288 |
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Originally posted by frenchnew
Not to stir any bad mojo but if you are concerned about the price of gas why did you buy an SUV to start?
Yeah, especially a luxury one. Not that I like to pay more for gas. |
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| Fabvsix |
| Drink more Chelada! :1: :1: |
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| keremoner |
| $3.05 here in Northern Virginia. |
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| craniotes |
Damn, that's a lot of moolah for a gallon of the good stuff. Here in the NYC/CT area we're paying between $3.30-$3.70 per (depends on where you go). They're saying we'll be above $4/gal by spring.
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| 1badsterling |
quote:
Originally posted by frenchnew
A good price for gas up here is $4.65 per US Gallon and it can be as expensive as $5.02 in some regions (Montreal)
Not to stir any bad mojo but if you are concerned about the price of gas why did you buy an SUV to start?
Best regards from somewhere north of Montreal, Canada
Frenchnew
I just think it's not fair that other parts of the US, they are paying less for gas while Californians are paying higher than everyone one else. It's not that I can't afford it, if I was not able to then I wouldn't have bought it in the first placce and I would have also dumped my escalade esv a long time ago when gas prices started soaring.
I would like to use that extra money I'm paying for gas towards other things, that's all. |
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| keremoner |
Elect a democrat and we will all be paying as much as you Californians are paying. It is called taxes to pay for others' usually self imposed misfortunes, and it serves to create a dependency class who will vote only for the hand that freely dispenses the goodies they are unwilling (and sometimes unable) to provide for themselves. Ahh, good old socialism.
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Originally posted by 1badsterling
I just think it's not fair that other parts of the US, they are paying less for gas while Californians are paying higher than everyone one else. It's not that I can't afford it, if I was not able to then I wouldn't have bought it in the first placce and I would have also dumped my escalade esv a long time ago when gas prices started soaring.
I would like to use that extra money I'm paying for gas towards other things, that's all.
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| Fabvsix |
California pumps and refines its own gasoline. We are not on the Gulf of Mexico resource that vastly supplies the majority of the us......therefore we pay premium......Let's keep the politics out of this.....
they are all crooks no matter..... |
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| keremoner |
Agreed. Amen to that brother.
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Originally posted by Fabvsix
they are all crooks no matter.....
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| bimmerguy288 |
| We can complain all we want but remember in Europe they pay about $7/gallon, largely due to taxes. Not long ago someone running for president claimed when she becomes the president the oil price will drop half. Yeah right, the Chinese and the Indians are going back riding bikes and living in caves when she becomes the president so we can still have most of the oil. |
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| laborlitigator |
| $2.93 for regular in Jersey |
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| bimmerguy288 |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
That's not million
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7020100714.html
Yes, it's $40 billion alright, it's huge, BUT BUT BUT it's from $373 billion in revenue, the net profit margin is 10.9%. So what's the problem? Is 10% profit margin outragous? Exxon controls something like only 5% of the world's oil production but somehow it's always the target. Walmart made about $12 billion in profit last year from $378 billion revenue, profit margin 3.36%, yet it is also always the target because of the billions of $ in profit.
Micrsoft, Google, Apple, Intel, banks, and many other busisness routinely make 20% and up profit yet we don't hear the same people complaining.
I pay a guy $50 to cut my lawn and if he nets $5 profit, maybe I will call that gauging and demand congressional hearings. |
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| HAJ |
| We're paying $3.04 per galon for 89 octaine here in Missouri.... |
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| LionSpeed |
$3.79 oct91 here in Burbank.
OP asks, What are members here doing to help ease the pain at the pump?
I don't pay attention to these thing. Gas is a necessity therefore no need to sweat over few extra bucks for it. :rolleyes: |
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| bimmerguy288 |
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Originally posted by LionSpeed
$3.79 oct91 here in Burbank.
OP asks, What are members here doing to help ease the pain at the pump?
I don't pay attention to these thing. Gas is a necessity therefore no need to sweat over few extra bucks for it. :rolleyes:
For me, the best way to save gas is to combine/plan trips. Sometimes it's hard to do but I try my best. Like this morning I went to Home Depot with a list of things I was getting so I wouldn't have to go back for a while. In the meantime I stopped by the Staples next door to pick up some stuff and I won't need to take a separate trip to the Staples in the near future.
Little things like that save me time and gas. |
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| HAJ |
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Originally posted by bimmerguy288
For me, the best way to save gas is to combine/plan trips. Sometimes it's hard to do but I try my best. Like this morning I went to Home Depot with a list of things I was getting so I wouldn't have to go back for a while. In the meantime I stopped by the Staples next door to pick up some stuff and I won't need to take a separate trip to the Staples in the near future.
Little things like that save me time and gas.
Yup.... agreed. Running multiple errands on one trip out saves time and fuel. Also, I use the cruise control whenever possible. I've found it helps a lot... you know, steady speed versus gunning the engine.
Honestly tho, we knew the MDX was a thirsty beast when we bought her. No big deal.... it suits our needs perfectly and we love the ride. No complaints. |
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| jhue |
| Gas prices are insane. If this keeps up, I could be spending as much as $25 every two weeks on gas. |
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| HAJ |
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Originally posted by jhue
Gas prices are insane. If this keeps up, I could be spending as much as $25 every two weeks on gas.
Only $25 every 2 weeks for gas??? That's pretty good.... you must not do a lot of daily driving. It costs me close to $50 weekly to fill the tank.
Oh wait.... just saw that you own 2 Prius cars.... no wonder your fuel expenses are so low. |
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| BostonX |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Elect a democrat and we will all be paying as much as you Californians are paying. It is called taxes to pay for others' usually self imposed misfortunes, and it serves to create a dependency class who will vote only for the hand that freely dispenses the goodies they are unwilling (and sometimes unable) to provide for themselves. Ahh, good old socialism.
Yeah, let's vote in another republican so we can continue this fruitless and expensive war that threatens to bankrupt our entire nation.
Way to look at the big picture... |
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| Needsdecaf |
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Originally posted by jhue
Gas prices are insane. If this keeps up, I could be spending as much as $25 every two weeks on gas.
LOL, back in the day (and gas was around $3.25 for super then), I was spending around $75 every 2 days on gas. 40k plus miles a year will do that to you. :D |
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| Needsdecaf |
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Elect a democrat and we will all be paying as much as you Californians are paying. It is called taxes to pay for others' usually self imposed misfortunes, and it serves to create a dependency class who will vote only for the hand that freely dispenses the goodies they are unwilling (and sometimes unable) to provide for themselves. Ahh, good old socialism.
Erm, actually not.
Taxes in CA are part of the picture. However, the bigger problem is CARB, and the multitude of bizarre fuel requirements that they require. They're called "boutique" fuels.
The problem with boutique fuels is that they are expensive to refine, both in their complexity and their relatively low volume. Add that together and you get higher prices of fuel. |
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| Blackura |
Fact: At the end of the Clinton days, before Bush +Republican Congress +Republican Senate, gas here was 92.9 cents per gallon. Now after Republicans' unchecked and unbalanced rule, we have 3.69.9. And a percentage of that is made of corn, not even gas.
Fact: Back then, the US had the biggest surplus in the history of the world. Now the biggest deficit in history.
Fact: This web site initiated a ban on political posts after it got rude, stupid, nasty and ugly here, a ban that has been repeatedly voilated by one particular poster.
quote:
Originally posted by keremoner
Elect a democrat and we will all be paying as much as you Californians are paying. It is called taxes to pay for others' usually self imposed misfortunes, and it serves to create a dependency class who will vote only for the hand that freely dispenses the goodies they are unwilling (and sometimes unable) to provide for themselves. Ahh, good old socialism.
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| BillHeart |
I have a 120 mile per day commute.. I work in NY and live in NJ.
Right now I try and buy very little gas in NY, only when I have to.. it's like $3.49 for 93 in NY and 3.15 in Jersey.
Of course, being the used car manager I often take trade-ins home with half a tank or better in them :D
Still, if I do the tround trip in an MDX it costs me about $25. |
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| Needsdecaf |
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Originally posted by BillHeart
I have a 120 mile per day commute.. I work in NY and live in NJ.
Right now I try and buy very little gas in NY, only when I have to.. it's like $3.49 for 93 in NY and 3.15 in Jersey.
Of course, being the used car manager I often take trade-ins home with half a tank or better in them :D
Still, if I do the tround trip in an MDX it costs me about $25.
LOL, guess you work at Heart. I use you guys for service. I used to do a similar drive...Morristown NJ to Fishkill NY. 108 miles each way. Filled up every morning in NJ, as I couldn't make it there and back twice on one tank.
Now that I live in the area, my commute is MUCH less. |
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| BillHeart |
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Originally posted by Needsdecaf
LOL, guess you work at Heart. I use you guys for service. I used to do a similar drive...Morristown NJ to Fishkill NY. 108 miles each way. Filled up every morning in NJ, as I couldn't make it there and back twice on one tank.
Now that I live in the area, my commute is MUCH less.
You got it! I'm not the only one with the drive.. I come in from Englewood, General Manager comes in from the Caldwells and General Sales Manager comes in from Mahwah. Been with the company a long time, we just all got transferred up here from NJ to, ahem, revitalize the store.
We should be sponsoring the site officially by the end of the week, next time you drive by us and see how many CPO MDXs we have, you'll know why :)
The drive isn't bad at all.. I go Palisades pkwy - Bear Mtn Bridge - 9D - Fishkill Rd - 9. It's only 10-15 mins longer than the traffic-from-hell trip down to Montclair for me. |
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| Needsdecaf |
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Originally posted by BillHeart
You got it! I'm not the only one with the drive.. I come in from Englewood, General Manager comes in from the Caldwells and General Sales Manager comes in from Mahwah. Been with the company a long time, we just all got transferred up here from NJ to, ahem, revitalize the store.
We should be sponsoring the site officially by the end of the week, next time you drive by us and see how many CPO MDXs we have, you'll know why :)
The drive isn't bad at all.. I go Palisades pkwy - Bear Mtn Bridge - 9D - Fishkill Rd - 9. It's only 10-15 mins longer than the traffic-from-hell trip down to Montclair for me.
Too bad you weren't around in November. You had a CPO 2007 with 8k miles and wanted too much for it (as much as DCH Montclair was offering an '08 for!). In the end I drove to Boston for my X!! |
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| G. COLTON |
I do not pay anywhere near $4.xx even for marine fuel for my gas guzzler of a boat. It is bad enough at $3.58 when that thing gives at best about 1 mile per gallon.
Here in the Panhandle of Florida the average is about $3.17 right now. I just came back from Atlanta where the price ranged from $3.01 to $3.09. In Alabama it was about $3.08 on average.
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| BillHeart |
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Originally posted by Needsdecaf
Too bad you weren't around in November. You had a CPO 2007 with 8k miles and wanted too much for it (as much as DCH Montclair was offering an '08 for!). In the end I drove to Boston for my X!!
Black one, right?
I saw it on our wholesale list.. what did we want for it out of curiosity? I know that it was sold at Manheim before I got to the store.
I avoid the 07s for inventory, awesome trucks but what they do wholesale is nuts, just saw an 07 Sport 2k miles without entertainment do $41,100 at Manheim last month. Plus $400 fee, plus $150 to get it back, gotta run it through the shop, $378 minimum, certification costs.. Hey, I own it for new car money!
Used 07s are going for nutso $$ wholesale right now, exporters are grabbing them up left right and center. I'm taking in an 07 Tech, Black/Black, 9k miles on it.
Canadian dealer has offered us $38k for it!:eek: |
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| Needsdecaf |
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Originally posted by BillHeart
Black one, right?
I saw it on our wholesale list.. what did we want for it out of curiosity? I know that it was sold at Manheim before I got to the store.
I avoid the 07s for inventory, awesome trucks but what they do wholesale is nuts, just saw an 07 Sport 2k miles without entertainment do $41,100 at Manheim last month. Plus $400 fee, plus $150 to get it back, gotta run it through the shop, $378 minimum, certification costs.. Hey, I own it for new car money!
Used 07s are going for nutso $$ wholesale right now, exporters are grabbing them up left right and center. I'm taking in an 07 Tech, Black/Black, 9k miles on it.
Canadian dealer has offered us $38k for it!:eek:
Yes, Black on Black Tech with 8,900 miles. And they wanted $39,900 CPO.
DCH Montclair was offering me an '08 Tech for $40,100. Two other dealers matched their offer. They wouldn't budge at all. |
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| Maverick2008 |
| About $3.29 a gallon for premium around the outskirts of Chicago, IL. Downtown can average upwards of $3.49-$3.79...more? |
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| HwyRogue |
I pay around $4.40/gallon (after conversion) for Supreme ( Enhanced 90 or 91 Octane).
What's my mileage? I dunno.. when it's empty, I fill it up... I didn't buy the MDX for its fuel economy, I bought it for safety / reliability :-) |
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| keremoner |
That person and her party are largely to blame if you consider that in the past 30+ years we have not developed a single new oil field, built a refinary, or built a nuclear power plant. All thanks to Dems. France is 95% reliant on nuclear with no problems. Here we love to give our dough to the OPEC nations. Thank you the environmentalists and the Dem. party.
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Originally posted by bimmerguy288
We can complain all we want but remember in Europe they pay about $7/gallon, largely due to taxes. Not long ago someone running for president claimed when she becomes the president the oil price will drop half. Yeah right, the Chinese and the Indians are going back riding bikes and living in caves when she becomes the president so we can still have most of the oil.
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| keremoner |
Those of us who are conservatives understand that. Just think the margin lawyers make at $400 per hour (a big Dem supporting liberal group)
quote:
Originally posted by bimmerguy288
Yes, it's $40 billion alright, it's huge, BUT BUT BUT it's from $373 billion in revenue, the net profit margin is 10.9%. So what's the problem? Is 10% profit margin outragous? Exxon controls something like only 5% of the world's oil production but somehow it's always the target. Walmart made about $12 billion in profit last year from $378 billion revenue, profit margin 3.36%, yet it is also always the target because of the billions of $ in profit.
Micrsoft, Google, Apple, Intel, banks, and many other busisness routinely make 20% and up profit yet we don't hear the same people complaining.
I pay a guy $50 to cut my lawn and if he nets $5 profit, maybe I will call that gauging and demand congressional hearings.
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| keremoner |
Ahh, restrict free speech like a good liberal.
quote:
Originally posted by Blackura
Fact: At the end of the Clinton days, before Bush +Republican Congress +Republican Senate, gas here was 92.9 cents per gallon. Now after Republicans' unchecked and unbalanced rule, we have 3.69.9. And a percentage of that is made of corn, not even gas.
Fact: Back then, the US had the biggest surplus in the history of the world. Now the biggest deficit in history.
Fact: This web site initiated a ban on political posts after it got rude, stupid, nasty and ugly here, a ban that has been repeatedly voilated by one particular poster.
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| jhue |
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Originally posted by keremoner
...if you consider that in the past 30+ years we have not developed a single new oil field, built a refinary
The reason no one has built a new "refinary" [sic] in years is because the oil companies are smart enough to know that with declining oil field production worldwide, there is no way the refinery would operate long enough make the capital investment worthwhile. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by bimmerguy288
Yes, it's $40 billion alright, it's huge, BUT BUT BUT it's from $373 billion in revenue, the net profit margin is 10.9%. So what's the problem? Is 10% profit margin outragous? Exxon controls something like only 5% of the world's oil production but somehow it's always the target. Walmart made about $12 billion in profit last year from $378 billion revenue, profit margin 3.36%, yet it is also always the target because of the billions of $ in profit.
Micrsoft, Google, Apple, Intel, banks, and many other busisness routinely make 20% and up profit yet we don't hear the same people complaining.
I pay a guy $50 to cut my lawn and if he nets $5 profit, maybe I will call that gauging and demand congressional hearings.
Spoken like a true stockholder. . . if Exxon made the profits that Walmart made, that would be $30B back to the American people. But then again, who the p**** cares about the American people just as long as the stockholders are making money. |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by jhue
The reason no one has built a new "refinary" [sic] in years is because the oil companies are smart enough to know that with declining oil field production worldwide, there is no way the refinery would operate long enough make the capital investment worthwhile.
I got no problem with Exxon making profits. But when they make $11 Billion in the 4th quarter alone, in profit, it kinda makes you wonder about how they say they "cant afford" to build any new refineries in the USA, as they cost A BILLION DOLLARS APIECE!!!
I cant imagine where they could get that kinda money.
They arent building refineries here because max capacity of existing refineries keeps profits higher.
And anytime a company, or a country, doesn't invest in infrastructure for the future, its false economy.
When our refineries wear out, dont be surprised if the oil we buy from the Venezuelan, Saudi, Chinese, and Indian refineries is even more expensive. |
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| keremoner |
| Anyone here heard of environmentalist movement in the US, the same one that has prevented us from building nuclear power plants during the past 3+ decades? Anyone read the papers last time there was a fight to build a plant? Make no mistakes, the oil production is there to justify building refineries -- that is if you can get the necessary approvals !! |
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| G. COLTON |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
I got no problem with Exxon making profits. But when they make $11 Billion in the 4th quarter alone, in profit, it kinda makes you wonder about how they say they "cant afford" to build any new refineries in the USA, as they cost A BILLION DOLLARS APIECE!!!
I cant imagine where they could get that kinda money.
They arent building refineries here because max capacity of existing refineries keeps profits higher.
And anytime a company, or a country, doesn't invest in infrastructure for the future, its false economy.
When our refineries wear out, dont be surprised if the oil we buy from the Venezuelan, Saudi, Chinese, and Indian refineries is even more expensive.
Labor you need to get up to date. The lack of refineries being built has nothing to do with profits nor with the consumer or oil companies desires. It is purely and simple politics. The "greenies" have the democrat votes in the house and senate to keep refineries out of this country. The same goes for drilling in Alaska and the Gulf....
This same attitude and group of people has also kept us from building the nuclear reactors that are required.
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| bimmerguy288 |
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Originally posted by laborlitigator
Spoken like a true stockholder. . . if Exxon made the profits that Walmart made, that would be $30B back to the American people. But then again, who the p**** cares about the American people just as long as the stockholders are making money.
I have never been a shareholder of Walmart. I was a shareholder of Exxon five or six years ago. Sold too soon. Exxon stock has done well in the last few years but not great.
You keep saying you have no problem with Exxon making the big $$$ yet you implied Exxon should be making a 3% profit margin like Walmart instead of 10%. BTW, a big chunk of Exxon's profit isn't even made in the U.S.
I am asking the question again, is 10% profit outragous? Is 10% profit a windfall? What Exxon does with the money it earns is its business, not anyone else', certainly not the government's. How would you like if the government told you you could only use your money you make to buy a Ford Explorer instead of the MDX, or you could only buy a bike?
Let's look at some of the companies that made more than 10% in profit margin in their last fiscal year:
Microsoft: 29%
Intel: 18%
Apple: 15%
Goggle: 25%
Disney: 12%
GE: 13%
Berkshire Hathaway: 12%
Goldman Sack: 25%
MacDonalds: 11%
P&G: 14%
J&J: 17%
American Express: 13%
Coka Cola: 20%
Pepsi: 14%
Dupond: 10%
The list goes on and one. Now, should we tell those companies to make 3% like Walmart?
For disclosure, I grew up in a country where the government used to tell you what you could eat, what you could wear, where you could live, what work youcould get, what you could do with your money (if you had any), what factories could produce, what farmers could grow, how many chickens they could grow. They tried all that and it DID NOT work! Now that country's economy is rapidly becoming market-oriented(aka "capitalistic"), for the most part.
Two years ago when the gas price was going up their government tried price control. The oil companies didn't want to lose money so they cut production. The lines at gas stations were looooooooong. My brother-in-law, who had a Honda Fit, was taking his son to another city to catch a flight to Sweden in the evening. Knowing the line would be long, he had to get in line around 8:00 am to get gas, the line was so bad he had to call my sister to bring him lunch, because he was still in line four hours later. Enough said. |
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| bimmerguy288 |
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Originally posted by G. COLTON
The same goes for drilling in Alaska and the Gulf....
This same attitude and group of people has also kept us from building the nuclear reactors that are required.
G
For those who don't know, while U.S. oil companies are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida (forgot how many miles off the coast), the Chinese are coming to drill near Cuba.
People who say you can't drill here, you can't drill there are often the same ones that complain the loudest when the oil price goes up.
I want to pay $1.00/gallon like everyone else too. Guess what, the 2.5 billion Chinese and Indians want to live like us too and they are not going to stop buying cars, using more electricity, taking hot showers.
Oil price will go up and down but the days of really cheap oil are gone forever, we may as well learn how to deal with it, look for alternatives, instead of whining and pointing fingers. |
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| laborlitigator |
quote:
Originally posted by bimmerguy288
I have never been a shareholder of Walmart. I was a shareholder of Exxon five or six years ago. Sold too soon. Exxon stock has done well in the last few years but not great.
You keep saying you have no problem with Exxon making the big $$$ yet you implied Exxon should be making a 3% profit margin like Walmart instead of 10%. BTW, a big chunk of Exxon's profit isn't even made in the U.S.
I am asking the question again, is 10% profit outragous? Is 10% profit a windfall? What Exxon does with the money it earns is its business, not anyone else', cetain not the government's. How would you like if the government told you you could only use your money you make to buy a Ford Explorer instead of the MDX, or you could only buy a bike?
Let's look at some of the companies that made more than 10% in profit margin in their last fiscal year:
Microsoft: 29%
Intel: 18%
Apple: 15%
Goggle: 25%
Disney: 12%
GE: 13%
Berkshire Hathaway: 12%
Goldman Sack: 25%
MacDonalds: 11%
P&G: 14%
J&J: 17%
American Express: 13%
Coka Cola: 20%
Pepsi: 14%
Dupond: 10%
The list goes on and one. Now, should we tell those companies to make 3% like Walmart?
For disclosure, I grew up in a country where the government used to tell you what you could eat, what you could wear, where you could live, what work youcould get, what you could do with your money (if you had any), what factories could produce, what farmers could grow, how many chickens they could grow. They tried all that and it DID NOT work! Now that country's economy is rapidly becoming market-oriented(aka "capitalistic").
Unlike the companies you've quoted, Exxon product is an every day necessity. If I don't purchase Windows Vista or a Big Mac, I'm fine. If I don't purchase gas, I'm can't drive my 8 cylinder beast down the Garden State parkway to get to work.
Do I want the best of everything? Of course I do. That's my gosh darn right as an American.
And if 3B people over in Asia are competing with me, for the same resources, I as an American have an inherent "dibs" over those people. . . |
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| laborlitigator |
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Originally posted by bimmerguy288
Oil price will go up and down but the days of really cheap oil are gone forever, we may as well learn how to deal with it, look for alternatives, instead of whining and pointing fingers.
There we actually agree. I think we are on the way with these hybrids. It would be nice if Acura would follow suit. |
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| jhue |
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Originally posted by bimmerguy288
Guess what, the 2.5 billion Chinese and Indians want to live like us too and they are not going to stop buying cars, using more electricity, taking hot showers.
Say goodbye to clean air (and the polar ice caps) too, as the cheapest way for those countries to power their economies is with coal-fired powerplants. |
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| bimmerguy288 |
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Originally posted by jhue
Say goodbye to clean air (and the polar ice caps) too, as the cheapest way for those countries to power their economies is with coal-fired powerplants.
No kiding. The air quality in China is a nightmare. The pollution from manufactoring is horrible. They have paid a heavy price for being " the world's factory". But they are not signing Kyoto. |
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| Blackura |
Um. Actually, that would be Fox news and talk radio. One side only. No room for facts to get in the way of opinions. Excellence in broadcasting indeed.
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Originally posted by keremoner
Ahh, restrict free speech like a good liberal.
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quote:
Originally posted by laborlitigator
I got no problem with Exxon making profits. But when they make $11 Billion in the 4th quarter alone, in profit, it kinda makes you wonder about how they say they "cant afford" to build any new refineries in the USA, as they cost A BILLION DOLLARS APIECE!!!
I cant imagine where they could get that kinda money.
They arent building refineries here because max capacity of existing refineries keeps profits higher.
And anytime a company, or a country, doesn't invest in infrastructure for the future, its false economy.
When our refineries wear out, dont be surprised if the oil we buy from the Venezuelan, Saudi, Chinese, and Indian refineries is even more expensive.
Please come back when you have some actual information about why refineries don't get built in this country instead of touting the party line / popular opinion.
By the way, if you've ever looked at an ExxonMobil portfolio, you would realize that ExxonMobil makes far more of their money on exploration and raw oil supply than they do refining and supplying downstream products.
As far as US refining, there are 143 refineries in the US. ExxonMobil has 10% of the capacity of those refineries. They are hardly in control of the supply of gasoline in this country. |
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| dory |
| I'm paying $1.21 per litre (for 91) here in the prairies of Canada. I think that converts to about $4.58 per gallon. |
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| bimmerguy288 |
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Originally posted by Blackura
Um. Actually, that would be Fox news and talk radio. One side only. No room for facts to get in the way of opinions. Excellence in broadcasting indeed.
??? Did you actually bother to read them? Which of those links is "right wing"? For Christ sake, one of them is your favorite paper New York Times!! Another was written by the Associated Press. |
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| Blackura |
Not sure why you're flying off the handle at me. My original post was referring to the post by 'moner where he called me a liberal which I most definitely am not. My post was merely a statement of pure facts. I posted no opinon, nor did I say anything about any of your posts being right wing.
You are accusing me of something, but I did not accuse you of anything. Calm down.
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??? Did you actually bother to read them? Which of those links is "right wing"? For Christ sake, one of them is your favorite paper New York Times!! Another was written by the Associated Press.
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| bimmerguy288 |
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Originally posted by Blackura
Not sure why you're flying off the handle at me. My original post was referring to the post by 'moner where he called me a liberal which I most definitely am not. My post was merely a statement of pure facts. I posted no opinon, nor did I say anything about any of your posts being right wing.
You are accusing me of something, but I did not accuse you of anything. Calm down.
Sorry I misunderstood your post. I thought it was meant to respond to my post in which I provided the news links about gas price control in China. My bad. BTW, where did I accuse you of anything? |
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| Blackura |
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Originally posted by bimmerguy288
Sorry I misunderstood your post. I thought it was meant to respond to my post in which I provided the news links about gas price control in China. My bad. BTW, where did I accuse you of anything?
Apology accepted. No problem. You did accuse me of haivng a favorite very liberal paper though. :-) |
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| bimmerguy288 |
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Originally posted by Blackura
Apology accepted. No problem. You did accuse me of haivng a favorite very liberal paper though. :-)
Hehe. Was I wrong to assume the New York Times (I didn't say it was liberal) was your favorite paper knowing how you felt about Fox News and talk radio?
Now we can all try the chelada. |
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| keremoner |
You live in a dream world. Open your eyes and see which media is selective and biased in its reporting - the answer is left. NY Times, the three big networks, and the like. There are plenty of studies done but you probably think those are all biased. Just as a current example, see the tratment of Obama as the liberal darling compared to Hillary who is not nearly as liberal. Does anyone ask him about his relations to Rezko? How did this indicted crook get state legislature assistance to swindle millions of dollars? Why was he so close to Obama, to the point that they bought million dollar condos next to each other? Noooo. God forbid, he is the chosen one by the unbiased media.
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Originally posted by Blackura
Um. Actually, that would be Fox news and talk radio. One side only. No room for facts to get in the way of opinions. Excellence in broadcasting indeed.
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| LionSpeed |
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| Fabvsix |
| Can someone please pass out some CHELADA ? :1: |
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| keremoner |
Now Bernake says current attempts to soften the blow from sub-prime crisis is not enough. We should look into reducing the outstanding principal for the troubled loans, he says. Wonderful....
I am getting tired of all this crap of bailing out irresponsible people (which is always on the backs of the responsible ones of course!) I say "Let the recession begin and chips fall where they may" Nothing short of this whole mess flushing out of the system all on its own will be healthy to our long term well being. |
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| Blackura |
Did your media must have reported that California's gov became a Democrat? I confess, I must have missed that one.
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Elect a democrat and we will all be paying as much as you Californians are paying.
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| Blackura |
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Originally posted by LionSpeed
:lurk: this is better than CNN.
CNN? Don't you mean Fox? :-)
heh heh. Yeah. You weren't around when this site banned all political posts four years ago. Not that you could tell form all the political posts here. Back then, we had people posting nothing but wingnut posts and links (as opposed to more mainline conservative), and as soon as the election was over, they suddenly "sold their MDXs" and never posted here again. Funny how many people never caught on to that charade.
It'll probably happen again this year, since that's one of the typical tactics. It happens on both sides of the spectrum, but the neocons target certain sites like this. Libs target different sites and do the same thing on the other end of the spectrum.
Have you been listening to conservative talk radio lately? The "Stop Hillary Express" is now urging us to cross over and vote FOR her in the Dem primary. I just like to watch these guys pull the strings and see how long it takes for people to realize they're being treated like brainless puppets. Most folks will never realize it of course. |
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| LionSpeed |
:D Thanks for the heads up. I've had that same feeling regards "political issues" not being a good sign for peeps in here. Not that it wouldn't bring harmony to all the members... yea right. LOL. So, yes I will avoid putting statements, feelings, expressions & even any confrontations to any remarks fr any party.
You've mentioned some peeps are being treated like brainless puppets. I have a slidely off-course POV. IMO, they're remarkable "comedians". Every once in a while, if I need a good laugh, I'd turn them on. ;) |
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| keremoner |
He might as well be one. He is a RINO.
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Did your media must have reported that California's gov became a Democrat? I confess, I must have missed that one.
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| brydon |
Prices just started climbing up again in the South Bay here. We're paying $3.71 for 91.
The basic problem in California is that we are quite forward thinking and environmentally conscious comparatively. Not that it's a bad thing really, but CARB regulation is probably the single biggest contributing factor to the price differential between Cali and other states. We can't have less smog and low gas prices at the same time unfortunately. |
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| keremoner |
Unfortunately you have neither (relatively low gas prices nor smog free environment in So.Cal)
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We can't have less smog and low gas prices at the same time unfortunately.
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| brydon |
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Originally posted by jhue
The reason no one has built a new "refinary" [sic] in years is because the oil companies are smart enough to know that with declining oil field production worldwide, there is no way the refinery would operate long enough make the capital investment worthwhile.
Actually mate there is ALWAYS going to be enough oil for the US. The issue is price. As soon as the price goes up a fair bit, technologies like heating oily mud become cost effective. When price goes up more, big oil will be able to make money refining oil shale, which the US has a basically limitless supply of. Read this super informative article in Wired Magazine last year about all this. I can't find that article online but here's a good one about Oil Shale
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.12/oilshale.html
edit: link to oil sand article
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.07/oil.html
We'll always have oil, it might just cost us a fortune to protect the environment when we retrieve it! |
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| brydon |
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Originally posted by keremoner
Unfortunately you have neither (relatively low gas prices nor smog free environment in So.Cal)
Sorry you're not from Northern California - South Bay means South San Francisco Bay Area. I live about 45 minutes drive south of San Francisco which mostly has just good 'ol natural fog, not too much smog.
I went to high school in Southern California, some days we had to stay inside because exercising in the smog is bad for your health. The smog is still bad, but it used to be a lot worse before the state govornment stepped in and instituted a lot of reforms, one of which was CARB.
So it's still smoggy, still nasty, but not as bad as it used to be! |
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| Fabvsix |
| AKA: South PUKE next to San Yuckie, NothingView, across from HAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYWIERD South of CokeLand across from Farm Land near the COW PALACE ! STunning area ! :rolleyes: Which TOWN did you go to school in the Tropical Junk Yard ? La La land or San Bordeago or was it Pissy Springs in that burnt out desert dump? Ever been to Bakerfield? Oh now that's a STUNNING place huh? ;) |
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| Randy B |
While this thread started decent, it has been hijacked beyond repair.
Now closed. |
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