| sh0wmetham0ney |
| I don't have any friends that have a dvdrom, but after putting the navigation dvd into my computer, and reading it as a dvd, the files were quite logical..I don't see why someone could not come up with a program that could be put on a dvd, along with a movie, and be able to play it on the navigation unit..anybody have experience with this?? |
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| -=Ice-T=- |
| You can't copy DVD movies with a dvd burner. They are copy protected. As for the Nav DVD's, I'm not sure... |
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| kevinhuan |
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Originally posted by -=Ice-T=-
You can't copy DVD movies with a dvd burner. They are copy protected. As for the Nav DVD's, I'm not sure...
YES you can...you can rip the whole dvd movie (mpeg format ) to the computer hard drive (you can turn off copy protection during this process) and then strip out all the unecessory stuff on the disc to bring it down to about 4.5GB and then use Nero burning rom to burn it...Voila, you got a "backup" of your movie. |
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| sh0wmetham0ney |
Yes,
you can burn and copy dvd movies of course, but the question is if you can burn movies on dvd that work with the navigation unit...is there any sort of way to do that? i'm sure that if you can install some special program with the movie, it would be able to play it normally, and like add some of the original files that might be needed to get it started
any ideas???
someone with dvd burner ever played around with that??? |
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| vancouverMDX |
| i was wondering the same thing i wanted to burn music videos since the ones for sale most of them suk and use it for a dvd player in my mdx is this possible? |
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| sh0wmetham0ney |
Hey,
No one has yet answered my question, and most people have misunderstood it..
First, I was referring to using a dvd-burner, not a cd-burner to try to burn any dvd(movie) that would work on the navigation system, using the dvd player that is already provided with the navigation system(and not an additional one that was bought seperately)...
And i know it has to be possible...I just don't know if anyone has tried enough, or been able to do it???
i'm sure all it would require is a program on the dvd(that you would burn) that would play whatever movie you have...and this program would need to be set on autorun, similar to the navigation dvd, where it automatically plays...a tweek to the dvd player might also be required.... |
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| cdawg |
| I have a DVD-R drive and there is a program that will burn an ISO image of a DVD (DVDDecryptor) and remove the piracy protection while doing it. You can then use a new version of Nero Burning ROM with DVD-R support and burn the clean ISO image to the DVD media (pretty cheap now online, 4.7GB for about $3 and 9.4GB for about $6). I have not tried the Navigation DVD but my feeling is that it would be less difficult to replicate than a movie. |
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| Loose Cannon |
| You guys are talking about criminal activity. With the recent FBI sting of kiddie porn, be more careful. |
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| sh0wmetham0ney |
Loose Cannon,
No, we weren't talking about criminal activity..I was talking about burning movies on dvds and using the navigation system dvd player to be able to view them, and that is not illegal..we would have to be selling them to be able to get even close to illegal... |
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| Loose Cannon |
| You don't have to sell to be doing something illegal. When you buy cable TV or a video tape or a DVD, the license you buy is to watch the program and NOTHING else. |
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| cardingtr |
| That's interesting because my satellite receiver has recorder on it. That is more than watching. I paid for it as a CONSUMER so I will use it on my own discretion as long as I don not resell it. |
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| raddray |
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Originally posted by Loose Cannon
You don't have to sell to be doing something illegal. When you buy cable TV or a video tape or a DVD, the license you buy is to watch the program and NOTHING else.
You mean I have 149 hours of movies on my Direct TV w/Tivo and it's illegal? And worse yet, I legally paid for the Tivo!!!!! Holy Crap....
You are allowed to copy movies off sat/cable. You are not allowed to rebroadcast, sell or charge people for watching it unless you pay a fee. As for DVD's, am I doing something illegal when my friends and family watch or borrow my dvd's or listen to my cd's? Cause they didn't pay for the license... I did.... Yikes.... There's gonna be alot of people in jail because of this illegal activity... :) Do you work for RIAA?
As for playing DVD's on the NAV... Anybody know??? I was wondering the same thing... Hasn't somebody hacked the Nav system yet? |
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| cdawg |
Almost all software and video copyright law allows the purchaser of said media the right to backup the media in any method they like and as long as it is not sold or licensed or exported they have the right to view/use it anyway they like.
That's like telling me that by ripping my 150+ CD library to MP3 so I could have the jukebox in my car that I am breaking the law. That's ridiculous.
I guess you better go after all those people who modified their Acura Navi systems to play a video feed too because technically it's illegal to provide a video system in a motor vehicle within sight of the driver (although there must be some loophole around this because all the DIN in-dash Navi units can play video).
PS. To even put media copyright violation in the same arena as kiddie porn is insane.
Now... to get back to the original post... There would be one problem, some sort of remote control would have to be hooked up so that you could control the DVD menu systems unless you truly stripped all the extra stuff out of the DVD rip and the movie just started up and had no bells or whistles like chapters, etc. Perhaps one of the Alpine remote units is compatible but I don't think there is an infrared receiver anywhere, that would have to be adapted as well.
The best bet is probably to get a Pioneer AVC-RGB1 or equivalent and then pipe another video source to it. Mobile DVD players are pretty cheap (under $150 for sure) and could be mounted under the drivers seat. The total cost would be probably around $400 or less if you did it yourself. |
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| jessenj |
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Originally posted by cdawg
The best bet is probably to get a Pioneer AVC-RGB1 or equivalent and then pipe another video source to it. Mobile DVD players are pretty cheap (under $150 for sure) and could be mounted under the drivers seat. The total cost would be probably around $400 or less if you did it yourself.
EXACTLY!!! However, finding an RGB1 and then modifying it yourself are feats in themselves.
Wanna know what I'd really like to see? I'd like to see someone who knows electronics figure out a way to use the touch screen of the NAV for dvd playback controls. That would be the sweetest thing around. I'd easily pay $1000 for someone to give me an add-on solution.
As for hacking the unit, how hard can it be. If the DVD's that are used for the NAV are in plain PC format, there must be a way that you could hack the software on the disc to make it play movies. Look at the facts - the NAV system itself without the DVD is just a dumb terminal. Its the software on the DVD that is actually the operating system and GPS info.
Anybody here good with software development? |
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| sh0wmetham0ney |
I know the navigation dvd's are in pc format, because you can view their files on the pc..
and I was thinking maybe you could copy one of the files off the navigation dvd that might be needed to get the movie to start, and paste it and the movie on a new dvd...
Anyhow, i'm going to a friend's house that has a dvd writer this weekend, and might try a few things... |
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| Loose Cannon |
Not true. While there is some authority (the infamous betamax case) on creating a single backup copy, to be used in case the original is damaged, you are absolutely wrong if you think that MP3s can be made from CDs. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has specifically stated that the digital manipulation of files is illegal, and that includes the conversion of .wav to .mp3. While you may not like the law, the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 does not apply to the digital world.
See attached link for someone who feels the way you do, but realizes what the law is.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden/20010219.html |
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| Loose Cannon |
| BTW, TIVO and Replay TV are time shifting devices that have been declared fair use. |
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| jessenj |
Talk about BEATING A DEAD HORSE!!!! Give it a rest with the legality of DVD copies. To put all you "Dudley DoRights" to rest, what if I just wanted to put my home videos on dvd. How bout that. Will that end you're silly tangent on this subject so we can bring this thread back to something productive. The real issue here is getting the NAV unit to recognize a format other than just the NAV software.
Look at the facts:
You OWN the NAV unit, which means you are entitled to take advantage of all of its possible capabilities. If that means watching movies, vcd's or MP3's, so be it.
You own the DVD you are looking to view on the unit, which even under the RIAA Copyright Laws, states that you are entitled to one free archiving of your original copy. As long as there aren't profits derived from the re-authoring, you are well within you're legal rights.
All of these tangents and wasted legal conversations are just delaying the progress of seeing something creative and productive come from the experimentation and development of new and feature-added software. The more you keep delaying the discussion of what can "REALLY BE DONE", the more you help slow the wheels of innovation.
So, I ask, one more time, lets drop the legal issue (since there isn't one) and get back to putting our heads together for something productive. Besides, what happens if someone here can develop software that enables the unit to play content other than NAV? Maybe Acura or Alpine will take notice and implement these changes and refine them into the next release of the software!
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| Rufus |
Enough of the legal mumbo jumbo.
Is it possible to play your personal copy of a DVD in the Acura Nav? Maybe, but I assme not, unless you can fina a programmer friend to write come code.
The Acura Nav is like a computer. It boots up a DVD from a boot sector on the DVD ROM itself. Then it runs a program, the Acura NAV program. The Nav program is written to display a menu, the Acura NAV Menu. Or, if you press Display, the program is instructed to display a live map based on the DVD stored map data in sync with the actual satellite GPS location along with wheel rotation and internal gyro. The Acura NAV system is not all satellite based just in case you loose contact with the "bird". Then it relies in the actual wheel turn and gyro feedback and gets its information from the DVD data. All in all, the NAV system is running the Acura NAV program. That's it sole function.
Can it do anything else? Maybe. It's gonna take a computer geek to write code to instruct the Acura NAV system to do otherwise. (There might be some money here for all you computer geeks!! ) Anyway a User Interface (UI) would have to be written to display on the touch sensitive NAV screen to PLAY the Original or COPY of DVD you want to play and other DVD control functions.
Does any this make any sense?
Now . . . . If the question is: Can the Acura NAV do any other functions besides NAV? I have heard IES it can.
I've heard that somebody makes a "box" that allows it to display VIDEO. Now that opens it up to a bunch of possibilities. I'll see what info I can come up with and post replies here later.
NO LEGAL MUMBO JUMBO.
Rufus :) |
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| cdawg |
What would be really cool...
Would be to take the Navi DVD, replace all the voice files with ones of your own (ethnic ones, movie lines, your own voice, etc.) and then run it through the system. That would actually be pretty easy I think... |
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| Loose Cannon |
| I want to revive the lady from mi 300zx. She was so hot. |
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| Rufus |
Now if all you want to do is replace the NAV Voice, that's another matter.
I think that's more feisable. All you have to do is identify the all the voice files, record your own voice files and then do an image copy from say from the new iMac (they have a DVD burner) to your new NAV DVD except you would replace the old voice files with the new voice files (with the same names of course).
I don't know about your voices, but my own voice would sound TERRIBLE!! I'll stick with the robotic ethnic Acura voice for now. (It might help if you stick a small picture of some cute Japanese gal on your NAV screen representing the Acura NAV voice),
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| MDX-Hungry |
Has anyone actually had the guts to remove the unit from their car and open it up?!? Maybe, like a computer (because that's essentially what it is) there is a little jumper inside that needs to be set or removed, that will allow the playing of movie DVD's.
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| Rufus |
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Originally posted by MDX-Hungry
Has anyone actually had the guts to remove the unit from their car and open it up?!? Maybe, like a computer (because that's essentially what it is) there is a little jumper inside that needs to be set or removed, that will allow the playing of movie DVD's.
Any thoughts out there??
I have a 2002 3.2TL-S NAV and I'm sure the MDX uses the same system.
The NAV unit (in my TL) as far as I can see consists of the DVD deck/player unit in the trunk and wires up to the NAV head unit in the dash. I'm sure there's more electronics that I can't see though.
As far as a setting or a jumper, it could be in the DVD unit or somewhere in the electronics under the dash, I wouldn't know where to start. My hunch is that Acura/Alpine wouldn't make it that easy though.
When I get my DVD-R, I'm gonna play around with making a "back-up" copy of the NAV DVD as well as replacing some sound files. Oh, I'll play around with a DVD authoring program too to see if I can come up with menus that might display on the NAV screen. You don't know unless you try, right?
My 2002 Touring NAV MDX should be arriving in about a week. I can't wait!!
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| ghost |
An even more interestin question is - can you update the DVD with your own background images? For example, there is information on lakes and state parks, which presumably are georeferenced bitmap files. Could there be replaced with other more detailed bitmaps, say lake bathymetry or park roads? I haven't tried it, but I've heard that you can read thie NAV file structure on a PC - if you can do that, figure out the image format, you should be able to edit the files and rewrite this onto a DVD-RW.
Now that would be interesting, I'd love to put a digital raster graphic topo map underneath the road linework. :cool: |
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| mogur |
Ok folks:
1) The images are not bitmap files, they are vector graphics. You can't simply replace them per se.
2) All other considerations aside, the DVD unit has no MPEG decoder of any kind (hardware or software). Thus is can not play a DVD movie.
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Originally posted by ghost
An even more interestin question is - can you update the DVD with your own background images? For example, there is information on lakes and state parks, which presumably are georeferenced bitmap files. Could there be replaced with other more detailed bitmaps, say lake bathymetry or park roads?
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| zafer |
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Originally posted by ghost
An even more interestin question is - can you update the DVD with your own background images? For example, there is information on lakes and state parks, which presumably are georeferenced bitmap files. Could there be replaced with other more detailed bitmaps, say lake bathymetry or park roads? I haven't tried it, but I've heard that you can read thie NAV file structure on a PC - if you can do that, figure out the image format, you should be able to edit the files and rewrite this onto a DVD-RW.
Now that would be interesting, I'd love to put a digital raster graphic topo map underneath the road linework. :cool:
The 2003 Navigation DVD-ROM is 6 gigs. Mainstream DVD RW drives for consumers support only 4.7 gig discs.
With regards to getting the DVD drive to play movies, I've heard that there is a hack to get the one in Volvos to play off-the-shelf DVDs. ....just what I've heard. |
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| RipRocK |
Just check out vcdhelp.com. There, you'll find all the info you'll need to rip DVD's, yes, the whole DVD's with the submenus and options and all and which DVD players are the best at playing burnt DVD's.
As well, you can find out which players are the best when it comes to playing VCD's and SVCD's and how to make or burn those too. There are players out there now that support DivX too. I've yet to rip a DVD of my own to make a VCD or SVCD. I just use the newsgroups to download the movies in those formats and burn them on a blank CD. Can't remember the last time I actually rented a DVD. |
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| Maik |
There is a program called DVDXCopy by 321 Studios that allows you to make back up copies of any DVD. I bought the program several months ago, and I have burnt many back up copies with it. The back up copies play in most dvd players, and are exact copies. The program is available at CompUSA as well as online and runs $99.
With blank DVD's as low as $1 each now, it has been very inexpensive to back up my complete library of DVD movies. |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by Maik
There is a program called DVDXCopy by 321 Studios that allows you to make back up copies of any DVD. I bought the program several months ago, and I have burnt many back up copies with it. The back up copies play in most dvd players, and are exact copies. The program is available at CompUSA as well as online and runs $99.
With blank DVD's as low as $1 each now, it has been very inexpensive to back up my complete library of DVD movies.
I'm curious. When you use DVDXcopy to back-up your DVD movies, are you creating true DVD videos or to Super-VCD or VCD? If you're creating true DVD videos, do you have to write them to two DVD's (for the double-layered discs)? Thanks.
DVDXcopy has been praised by many. While you could piece together some of the freeware/shareware packages, it's pretty straightforward and has some nice features of its own. It of course writes a little sequence on the copy so it won't copy a copy. They're hoping that feature keeps them from being sued. |
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| Maik |
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Originally posted by wmquan
I'm curious. When you use DVDXcopy to back-up your DVD movies, are you creating true DVD videos or to Super-VCD or VCD? If you're creating true DVD videos, do you have to write them to two DVD's (for the double-layered discs)? Thanks.
DVDXcopy has been praised by many. While you could piece together some of the freeware/shareware packages, it's pretty straightforward and has some nice features of its own. It of course writes a little sequence on the copy so it won't copy a copy. They're hoping that feature keeps them from being sued.
There are two versions of the software. The full blown version require two blank DVD's to fully recreate the original, while the Express version allows for the entire movie to be put on a single blank DVD. Playback on DVd's copied on the full version is superb, with little or no difference from the original DVD. The express version also creates a good quality copy but not as good as the full version. In either case, both are far superior to what you would get with a vcd or super-vcd. |
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| neide |
| I've got DVDXcopy as well, and think quite highly of it. But the other nasty little thing they do is put a unique watermark on every copied DVD - so it can be traced back to you. :) |
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| zafer |
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Originally posted by neide
I've got DVDXcopy as well, and think quite highly of it. But the other nasty little thing they do is put a unique watermark on every copied DVD - so it can be traced back to you. :)
What does the watermark consist of? |
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| neide |
| I assume its just a digital file on the DVD, but I've not tried to figure it out yet. I'll take a look when I get a little free time. I don't think its actually imbedded in the image itself. |
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