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Just watched Car And Driver Television. And i have to say that although I love my MDX, i was quite impressed with three new offerings from GM.
Thats right GM!!!
Everyone's been talking about ML320-X5-QX4-RX300. But watch out for these guys Trailblazer, Olds Bravado, Envoy. They will now have the class leading V6--270 HP!!!!!!
looks like they will also have as much goodies as the MDX.
Seems the General is really taking things seriously.
also can't wait for the Hummer 2??
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... as far as reliability and safety goes.
A lot of "new GM" models haven't been that reliable. And I believe the upcoming Buick Rendevous and related GM SUV's are based on GM's minivan platform (Chevy Venture, Ponatic Montana/TransSport, Oldsmobile Silhouette). Like how the MDX is based on the Odyssey.
But the Odyssey is a relatively safe platform, with excellent crash-test scores. The MDX will probably do well in crash tests. The GM minivans have horrible crash test scores. See:
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/96026.htm
GM minivans scores: Poor overall, and then four poor scores out of six sub-categories, the other two being marginal and good (good is the highest score in the IIHS test, with acceptable, marginal, and poor as the others).
Look at the verbiage: "major collapse of the occupant compartment left little survival space for the driver" ... "extreme steering wheel movement violently snapped the dummy's head backward" ... "forces on the left lower leg were so high that the dummy's metal foot broke off from its leg at the ankle." Yikes!
Odyssey results:
http://www.iihs.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/98024.htm
For what it's worth, the Sienna earned "good" scores across the board. |
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Word has it that with the "shutdown" of Olds looming the brass & DEALERS of GM's traditional luxury division -- CADILLAC -- are campaigning HARD to win the Bravade BEFORE it ever goes on sale!!!
The thinking is: "Olds will have to load this sucker with so many rebates to overcome the stigma of it being an orphan that the Honchos ought to just let Caddy sell it at list against the MDX, RX300, X5, ML320..."
Could be interesting. The Stabilitrak, OnStar, and 'luxury ride' would certainly make it right at home in Caddy showrooms. Sticking point would be the "Olds Only" dealers, people that have no other franchise with GM. These guys NEED the 2002 Bravada as a reason to "keep the lights on"...
Big unknown on the new GM trio is safety. Still have one of the highest "roll potentials" of any midsized SUV, though crash results have not been horrible.
It would shame if the have to resort to rebating the thing into peoples arms, as GM has poured alot of good technology into the inline 6 and even the suspension and noise reduction... |
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| Isaac |
Yes...I'll believe it when I see it...preferably after 3-4 years. GM still has the most suspect quality and reliability (in my mind) of any of the big makers out there.
Who cares if it has 270HP? Is it heavier? Does it suck more gas? Are they still running leaf springs on those pieces of crap? Are they still going to use that cheap looking plastic and stupid looking chunk of a stereo in there?
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I completly agree, GM is no competition for the MDX. Let point out a few things -
1. no rear third seat offering
2. No independent rear suspension
3. Solid rear axle
4. Suspect build quality
All of the above are inexusable in the mid-size SUV class today. And the topping on the cake is "resale Value" they will be equal or worse to the Jeep GC. Which is not a good thing.
The MDX will have the same or better ride quality, reliability, and resale value that GM SUV's at 100,000 miles that GM has at 25,000
End of story. MDX rules!!!! |
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two words: IT'S AMERICAN
two more words: NEVER AGAIN
Oh yeah........
I finally saw a picture of the "so called" SUV by BUICK....it's worse LOOKING than the ML320. Ugly as all hell !!! The interior is disgusting !!!!
Nothing can even COME close to MDX, especially American built SUVs.
MDX4Life ! |
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| KevinAdams1 |
Hey, i completely agree with most of the sentiment.
I love my Emerald Green
I just think it's great that all the manufacturers, domestic and imports are constantly improving their products. It will ensure that Acura will continue to build class leading vehicles for the future
Oh, yeah watch out for the Audi Steppenwolf (if it makes production), BMW X5 4.6 (something like 450hp!!!!!!, and perhaps even a new Pathfinder/QX4 from Nissan now that their sales are probably getting ravaged by the MDX. |
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Saw the new Buick SUV at the Buffalo Auto Show on Wednesday..Have to agree with A4L, it's been beaten with quite an ugly stick. I think what GM is forgetting is brand identity, here. The traditional Buick buyer certainly won't buy it, GM has invested a great deal to portray the Buick as "an all-American car", and all that the new SUV is demonstrating is the "me too" philosophy of the American luxury makes...I can hear it now....
"Hey, let's take a Blazer, and see how much more market share we can get by throwing a Buick badge at it and some really cool fake chrome, maybe even a Dynaride emblem on the dash! We can even soften up the suspension and give it a nice marshmallowwy ride!"
Perhaps I'm ignorant of the true design characteristics of the vehicle....but that's OK, because I represent the best! |
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| Folks, I am not sure I share your views of the General. I currently lease a 1999 Yukon and had a 1993 GMC Jimmy Typhoon for 6 months. Neither vehicle had any build quality problems. I haven't had a Ford product for a number of years but did test drive both the Expedition and Navigator but liked how the Yukon drove better and it was cheaper and had more room. As for Chrysler, I had two Jeep GC Ltds and both had major problems. The 1993 had the catalytic converter go out before 50,000 miles and the 1996 had the rear differential go out at 30,000 miles. This is why I did not seriously consider a Chrysler product. The new 2002 offerings from GM I believe have independent rear suspensions but the information is confusing. The Buick has a 185 HP 6 which definitely has not cajones. I believe the others have the 270 HP 6 but only have a 6% or so better HP/Weight ratio compared with the MDX. The new Explorer and Mountaineer probably compare the closest to the MDX on horsepower with the optional V8 and have independent rear suspensions to allow for the third seat. Even with all this said, when you load these American SUVs up and put in some type of Navigation system you come out with about the same money as the MDX with the touring package and Navigation system but not as good a vehicle. The reason being they are still based, I believe, on a truck chassis. Kind of like putting whipped cream on a prairie pie. So I am still not going to cancel my order for the MDX after reading about what domestic folks are offering! |
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Originally posted by remery
As for Chrysler, I had two Jeep GC Ltds and both had major problems. The 1993 had the catalytic converter go out before 50,000 miles and the 1996 had the rear differential go out at 30,000 miles. This is why I did not seriously consider a Chrysler product.
I also had a 93 Jeep GC Ltd. It was fine for about six months then had multiple problems which rapidly escalated as soon as the 3 yr warranty ran out. Had to have the radiator replaced twice before 40K miles. I tried to quickly sell it before a cross-crountry move and couldn't find any Jeep dealers willing to take it! I ended up selling to one of those huge used car superstores, Carmax, and I thought they were suckers to take it. I agree with A4L, never an american car again.
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Originally posted by remery
As for Chrysler, I had two Jeep GC Ltds and both had major problems. The 1993 had the catalytic converter go out before 50,000 miles and the 1996 had the rear differential go out at 30,000 miles. This is why I did not seriously consider a Chrysler product.
I also had a 93 Jeep GC Ltd. It was fine for about six months then had multiple problems which rapidly escalated as soon as the 3 yr warranty ran out. Had to have the radiator replaced twice before 40K miles. I tried to quickly sell it before a cross-crountry move and couldn't find any Jeep dealers willing to take it! I ended up selling to one of those huge used car superstores, Carmax, and I thought they were suckers to take it. I agree with A4L, never an american car again.
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I had a 1923 Ford that had a lot of problems. No more Fords for me! j/k .
Get the current issue of Car & Driver. Look for the test of on new Olds Bravada. Of interest is 270 hp at 6000 RPM and 270 pound feet of tourque. Too bad those numbers are so high in the curve. Still pretty quick. Only the Jeep is faster.
Of note to MDX owners, check the charts at the bottom that compare a MDX, Olds, ML and a Jeep. Spank! |
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Originally posted by Acura4Life
two words........
I finally saw a picture of the "so called" SUV by BUICK....it's worse LOOKING than the ML320. Ugly as all hell !!! The interior is disgusting !!!!
LOL! Well, it IS a kissing cousin to that Pontiac what-WERE-they-thinking Aztec thing. (Really - isn't that the most Godawful thing you've ever seen? Heck. It makes most of the 70's AMC car styling look GOOD by comparison) ;)
Liberty
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Soon to be the proud owner of a Sassy Silver MDX (ETA 2 weeks and counting) and a babied 91 BRG Miata w/ Hardtop
and a 95 P.O.S. TBird that I can't wait to tell ba-bye! |
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| with Liberty! The first time I saw the Aztek I couldn't help think "what the heck were they thinking and who in the world would want that ugly thing?!!!!" We almost bought the GCL. The day we went to test drive the MDX a guy pulled up right beside the dealers demo with a GCL. He said that he's had tons of probs with it and wanted to check out the MDX. We all compared both vehicles inside and out and we all agreed that the MDX totally blew the GCL away. I'm happy with my decision..I'll be happier when May comes! |
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| I've seen more Azteks in Katy, TX than I've seen MDXs. |
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| When I heard about the new Buick SUV went to autosite.com to get the info and noticed it's low HP - 185 compared with the 2002 Olds, GMC and Chevy SUVs. Then I saw the beast at the Chicago Auto Show. No doubt about it - it was an Aztec in goat's clothing. What a shock. Buick is supposed to be a high end line for GM. Another interesting thing to note. If any of you watch the show "Dark Angel" what vehicle do they drive around in futuristic but devastated LA - a beat up Aztec. Enough said. |
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Buick's enrty into the SUV market seemed pretty good to me. I agree the HP may be a bit low, but I think one's looking at 30-33 for the price.
It's pretty roomy- in fact bigger than the MDX, from what I read. Middle row Captains seat and fold down rear seat is sweet. Also a few other bells and whistles are available.
I was looking at it but decided on MDX due to timing and concern of a new product from GM ( more conf in one from Acura/Honda)
I don't think we'll have any regrets |
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Originally posted by VaBchMDX
...The day we went to test drive the MDX a guy pulled up right beside the dealers demo with a GCL. He said that he's had tons of probs with it and wanted to check out the MDX. We all compared both vehicles inside and out and we all agreed that the MDX totally blew the GCL away...
Until I met my first MDX, I was seriously considering the GCL too. Nice looking exterior in comparison to the everything else which just seemed too trucklike or just too big. One of the things that held ne back on the GCL was the low mpg on the 2wd V8 though.... then I started reading about the reliability problems. YIKES!
The MDX is worth the wait!
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| Thanks Liberty I feel so much better about my decision now....but I still have to wait until May :( Oh well I guess it'll be worth it. I read on another thread where people were starting to rethink about ordering their MDX's until the fall so they can get a 2002...it's starting to make me think about waiting..but then again I don't want to wait! I've read several problems people were having (leaking mirrors, the "thud", and probs with their steros) and perhaps they would have these probs fixed by 2002 models but then again that might be too soon. They might not have any of that fixed until the 2003 models and I'm not waiting that long! |
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| With the VTM 4 can you put a MDX on a dyno? I have made some changes wonder what reall affect they have made. |
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Every time I see one of those Azteks I think to myself:
What the heck did they back into?!?!?!? Is it related to the Gremlin? |
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Originally posted by KevinAdams1
But watch out for these guys Trailblazer, Olds Bravado, Envoy.
See:
http://biz.yahoo.com/rf/010405/n05636003.html
Some salient excerpts:
"General Motors ... recalling its new mid-size sport utility vehicles and ordered the 6,000 owners of the SUVs to stop driving the vehicles immediately until it fixes a faulty suspension part.
"``If that component were to fail, it could cause a loss of vehicle control,'' Morrissey said. ``We've captured a couple of incidents at the dealerships before the vehicles were delivered where the assemblies had failed.''
"Dealers will contact owners and arrange for the vehicles to be towed for repair, he said."
True, the MDX had the passenger seat belt harness recall, but it's nowhere near as serious as this one. If I was a new GM SUV owner, I'd be thinking ...
"What else is wrong with the vehicle?
"I could have lost control at any time since I took delivery?
"They're so worried about it they have to tow the thing back to the dealership? I had my kids in the vehicle just this morning!
"When's the next recall?
"I think my resale value just took a major hit!
"I'll never buy another GM product again!" |
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Hi all. Great forum. Lots of info. Thanks.
Was considering a 2002 GM SUV as we were researching the market. The write-ups sounded good. Decided against them because I didn't want to become a GM guinea pig. Settled on the MDX figuring Honda/Acura would do it right.
Just heard on the news GM is recalling all 30,000+ 2002's sold so far, calling them unsafe at any speed. It's a front suspension problem. Owners are told not to drive them and to arrange to have them picked up. GM is figuring out how to remedy it. No accidents reported. Production is shut down until 4/16.
Sorry for those owners. Sorry for the workers. GM is sorry. Wonder if they'll ever figure out how to get it right.
On a + note... just picked up our MDX afte a one month wait! Had a chance to move up on the dealer list when someone else decided on a color change. The more we drive... the happier we get! We know the MDX was the right choice for us. |
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stylin, welcome to AcuraMDX.org!
Here's another story on the GM recall:
http://www.autonews.com/html/main/stories/gm405.htm
Allegedly it affects 30,000 manufactured GM SUV's, of which only 6,000 have been placed into owners' hands. The remaining 24,000 were still "in transit" to dealerships and will obviously not be sold right away.
One disturbing item in the article is that GM isn't sure what the problem is yet.
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I must admit that as a bit of a Nationalist, I wanted to buy American. I need 7 seats. I love the Yukon, but it cost alot, and GM offers no "deals". It's a gas hog. It takes up alot of garage space and my husband already has a Suburban. I like the Expedition, but it is also too big and feels like it is floating all over its chassis. The new Explorer and Mountaineer were possible, but not out in time for my expiring lease. The Rendevous seemed pretty in pictures, but it seems underpowered, and people who have seen them think it is ugly. And my husband looked at me askance when I suggested it and said, "It's a BUUU-ick! (I guess that means he doesn't like it.) My old legend was an awesome car and never had a day in the shop over nearly 90,000 miles. The MDX is so all round nice, how can you beat it for 7 people...not for that money. And yes, I'm sure you have all read about the GM midsize vehicles. Ouch.
I hate to hear that. In the town where my husband practices, an awful lot of people depend on the General for their livelihoods. |
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I'd like to buy American if possible, but only if there was a truly competitive vehicle out there. I just don't think there's a domestic SUV in the MDX's class.
No doubt that GM is responsible for a lot of jobs. My complaint has always been the general failure of GM's management to make decisions through their huge bureaucracies and make real, concrete improvements. A good vehicle CAN be built in America -- look at all the domestically produced "imports" from Marysville, Ohio and other Honda/Toyota plants that are really terrific and rock-solid reliable.
But GM has now had many years to answer the competitive threat and still hasn't truly succeeded. They've been through recessions and economic booms, and they still don't produce a competitive product in as many segments as they should.
I live where Boeing still employs 80,000 people in the region (despite them announcing the move-out of their corporate headquarters). Boeing is sort of the GM of the aviation industry. They're buried under their own weight, and, deep down, still rely on archaic practices. They're quick to point the finger at subsidized foreign competition (Airbus). While they have a point there, Boeing and its subsidiaries also enjoy heavy subsidiaries in this country. It's their own inability to heal themselves that has led to many problems. |
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| wmquan...just curious about something since you live in the Pacific Northwest...I've never been there. Our church just planted a new church out there. They told us that there are very few practicing Christians there. Is that true? I wonder why that would be. Just interesting. Not MDX related. |
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Originally posted by wmquan
I'd like to buy American if possible, but only if there was a truly competitive vehicle out there. I just don't think there's a domestic SUV in the MDX's class.
Bill,
I agree with you in general but not necessarily about the "General". This recent recall is truly pathetic but I have been the past owner of 4 American SUVs, 2 Jeeps and 2 GMCs. The latter were far superior to the former. Some may disagree, but in my experience, I have found GM products to be better than either Ford or Chrysler. I have found GM engines to have more horsepower, and in the case of full sized SUVs are cheaper. Again my opinion. However, with this being said, I do not think the new Yukon is a good as mine that was just up on lease. My wife and I both considered it cheapened from our 1999 despite having more horsepower and 4 wheel disc brakes. That is why I ordered the MDX instead of buying a Denali. The 2002 mid-size SUVs were not even out when I placed my order but I did see them at the Chicago Auto show in February. Had they been around, my wife and I might have bought one since they have more room than their predecessors and would get better mileage than a new Yukon.
In hindsight, I am extremely grateful I did not have to make that choice because I would have definitely made the wrong one. The bottom line, the "Generals" past success has been overshadowed by its current folly. Ford is not doing any better with its recent Firestone debacle or Chrysler with its recycled lemon law vehicles. A somewhat sad state of the Amercian auto industry. Why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot? |
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| as far as I understand, the MDX was designed in America, in CA, all parts are made in Japan and assembly takes place in Canada... I see MDX as an American car backed up by the Japanese quality (oh, well, had to keep Canada in the picture as well) B:) |
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| Sgtglok - Thanks for giving me encouragement to think of my Acura as American! |
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I haven't had the time to compare the reliability ratings between the American makes, so I'll definitely take your word for it. I'm glad you have had good experiences with your GM's. Heck, our Integra suffered two major failures in the six years we had it. The transmission went out and had to be replaced, and the HVAC system failed. This despite really careful and frequent dealer maintenance. Of course, everyone's mileage will vary.
Some of my criticism of GM stems from their recent minivan series, meant to compete with Chrysler and foreign makes. Their crash test results are abysmal, especially for fairly modern designs.
Moving to a slightly different tangent, there's no doubt that balancing Consumer Reports ratings plus experiences on forums is a good way to get a feel of the reliability of a vehicle. Also can add JD Power in there, to a certain degree.
CR isn't perfect, and they've taken lots of heat for some of their scoring. However, I think overall that statistics do tend to even out and that Japanese brands, overall, still do it better as far as reliability/build quality goes. I don't think the stellar scores that Honda/Acura has earned for all vehicles except for the Odyssey and Passport are by accident.
Usually those complaining about CR reliability scores resort to the knee-jerk opinion that CR is anti-American-vehicle, and pro-Japanese. I've read complaints from MB M-class owners about CR being biased against German vehicles.
But the anti-German, pro-Japanese arguments conveniently neglects a number of facts. E.g. CR has rated the VW Passat the top family sedan for two years running now. This despite the fact that the Passat has moved from better than average to average in their reliability score (and unfortunately, other VW's aren't faring well). Similarly, CR has consistently rated the MB E-class to be the best vehicle it's ever tested. And in its sport sedan roundup, the BMW 3-series wins consistently, as it should by most opinions. |
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I would freakin' walk before I would buy ANY GM product. In fact, I don't even know anyone who owns one. Take the Suburban for example. That heap looks the same as it did in 1975. I'm not talking all American Vehicles. My last vehicle was an Expedition and it was honestly an excellent vehicle. AT 60k miles when I turned it in, it was solid as a rock. I just no longer need that kind of vehicle.
Acura is not perfect but I love my MDX and wouldn't have anything else! |
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Danny,
I have to disagree with you about the Suburban. My husband has a 92 with 140,000 miles, still going strong and he refuses to part with it. It is a fabulous dirtbike hauler, and since it's so old, we don't care if the guys we're hauling get a little dirty. I would have considered a new Yukon except we're running a little short on garage space with a Suburban, a Honda 2000, 8 motorcycles, a lawn tractor a snow blower, 5 bicycles, 4 scooters, numerous balls, bats, ladders, etc. I am also concerned for GM that somehow they think with the gas crunch that they are going to be able to put all their balls in the Yukon/Suburban basket. It is overpriced, guzzles gas, they offer no deals on financing, etc. I think that the G.M. product needs to be more price competitive... but that all said...a G.M. truck will run forever. I have a feeling that G.M. will find itself in the same position with the Suburban that Lincoln is finding itself in with the Navigator....overstocked and slow to move. |
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Well Deb, at least they made ONE good vehicle in all their years :D
I was more refering to how the Suburban still looks the same as it did 20 years ago.It's extremely Boxy and ugly..20 year old technology throughout. When I was looking for a big vehicle there was no comparison between the Expedition and Suburban. Although, we all know that's MY perspective and not everyone's. GM definately makes the ugliest vehicles on the planet.
As for overpriced..?? Your stumpin' me on that one. Maybe they're "expensive" in Nascar Country, but in New England they're givin' 'em away (Fords and GM's). Unless of course you're speaking relatively; Suburban's definately aren't worth 40k...who would pay that much for 20 year old technlogy? :D |
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Dan,
Out here in Nascar country,as you describe it,all of the doctors are still driving Suburbans because they will go through any snow that you give them. My husband will never give his up. You may call it 20 year old technology, but Chevy truck engines do not quit. I happen to think that the Yukon/Suburban/GMC interior is as comfortable as it gets. It is also the only car that can put my husband, me, three kids a week of luggage a Honda 50 dirtbike inside, and then tow three dirtbikes behind. What's more, with the pewter exterior, I am hard pressed to find a prettier truck.
That all said, I ordered my MDX because it was smaller for me for day to day driving, had far better gas mileage, and only needs to haul gymnasts, basketball players and groceries. They serve two different markets. P.S. You realy need to reframe your perspective of Hoosiers. In many ways, in affluent suburban areas of mid-America, our quality of life is far better than that of the coasts. I know. I've lived many places. |
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Just so you know, I'm from the Heart of Nascar country, Tennessee.. and I've lived all over the country. My sister's husbands family owns the biggest Chevy / GM dealership in the South and I still wouldn't have one. I've heard others try to say Chevy engines last forever and I just chuckle. The point of this thread was someone talking about looking seriosuly at the new GM. I still laugh. Anyone that puts any GM car in comparison with an MDX is just plain old kidding themselves. I'm certainly glad you are happy with your Suburban and I admit if things were different I would have kept my Expedition as well.
As for snow..Indianapolis? Huh? I had somewhere between 4-5 feet on the ground over the past few weeks. It's not all gone yet. Never had a problem in the MDX.
By the way not sure what quality of life and Doctors driving Suburpans have to do with quality of a vehicle???
There's women in New England with their little "scrunchies" driving around in their Subrbans too. Does that mean anything? If you take stock in what "Doctors" drive then you are buying a vehicle for the wrong reason. . You will never ever convince me that Chevy and GMC make anything but junk (I'm mostly a Ford guy and have never had any problems but I do not plan on wasting any more bandwidth discussing junk (including Fords) on this forum).
I also do not wish to create "issues" with you Either, Deb. So enjoy your MDX, but please don't try to compare GM's with Acura's..it just doesn't work. |
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| Dancall, I don't buy what doctors buy, my husband IS a doctor and he believes the best way to drive 40 miles to the hospital regardless the weather - especially here in the heartland, where the municipalities have never heard of a snow plow is his trusty old Suburban. Not to mention, you cannot do serious hauling in an MDX - at least not as much as in a Suburban. You made a snide comment about how somehow folks in Nascarland live in some sort of backward GM hicksville, which is apparently what many New Englanders think of the Midwest. After the last election I heard numerous political pundits indicate that those areas that went for Bush were somehow intellectually bankrupt. I am simply telling you if you hold that viewpoint, you are as vapid as the pundits. I am looking forward to my MDX, but it is not even in the same category as a Suburban. I personally have a lifestyle better suited to the MDX. Our family needs both....plus a convertible and numerous motorcycles! Funny you should like Fords. I feel like Ford has the truly ugliest interiors in the industry. Obviously you do not. It's an opinion. |
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| Ford has the ugliest interiors? I guess it's a matter of opinion, but nothing much has changed in the past 20 years with the interiors of the Tahoe/Yukon compared to the old Suburban. Instead of an 8-track buried in the floor console, it's a changer. And the interior can STILL be taken apart by a two year old... Not to mention you could loose your wallet in the panel gaps. Not much of a Big three fan myself, but GM has been the worst IMO. I guess I've been burned one to many times, I've learned from my mistakes. |
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Hey Deb you ever call me a "Democrat" or a "New Englander" ever again and I'll have to challenge you to a mud wrasslin' match in Indy. :D
I'm gonna have to go play elsewhere because you're getting way to serious for me. I hate to have to explain myself but I will: "Nascarland" refers to the South and Midwest where generally speaking SUV's have a stronger percentage of sale.
Since I was born and raised in this area, I not only understand the way things are there I have lived them. Unlike you, I am not in anyway sensitive about being a Southerner (or Midwesterner).. I am quite proud of my upbrangin'.
You brought up the point quite well about the Suburban being able to haul, etc. If I still needed that particular type of utility, I would have kept my Expedition. These vehicles (nor any American vehicles) belong as a comparison to the MDX. Plenty of people HATE Fords and I really don't give a rats booty if they say it to my face. I have no problems with peoples "opinions".
So, I'm off to find another playground as this has become a waste of time and bandwidth. I apologize to the rest of the forum for wasting valued space on this one..
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| Sorry ya'll for my irritation. I have a serious problem with people denigrating the heartland. Dancall says that was not his intention. I will accept him at his word. As I said earlier, Yukon buyers are not MDX buyers. The Yukon is a brute truck and people hauler. The MDX is a more refined car-like drive that you happen to be able to tow behind. They are different and serve different markets. The Yukon is not behind the times if you are looking for a comfortable serious truck. In fact, I can't think of a more sophisticated truck, except perhaps the LX470 which doesn't have the cargo room. The Navigator is too gussied up, the Expedition seems like it has more pitch and roll. The one Ford interior that is pretty nice is the Expedition. It is more sporty than the Yukon. The Yukon is more "couchy". |
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Originally posted by Acura4Life
two words: IT'S AMERICAN
that's three words... ;) |
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| Out in Oregon the Suburban is the vehicle to have for hauling or for vacations. I had a Expedition and there is no question that the Suburban was the better vehicle hands down. the expedition has horrible gas milage and is too heavy for the size of vehicle. The Suburban is the best long hauler for family vacations that there is. We have just outgrown our need for driving vacations and have passed on to air travel (which is another subject altogether) the MDX is the best alternative for us right now and I love it! |
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pdx,
Interesting comment about passing on to air travel. We got out of the play pen stage and are now into the easier air travel phase, but now that the airlines are so horrible, I'm thinking we may now be in the leisurely drive to the destination vacation stage since the kids travel so well. I don't think we've had a flight that went well in the last 3 years! Maybe I'll have an aftermarket DVD installed in the MDX! |
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