| MDX350 |
This should finally settle it right?
see the article at
http://hondanews.com/Forms/acura/MDX/index.html
Seems to be from Acura, seems authentic. No side curtain airbags, no HID lights, no change in wheel size, no full size spare, but other than that, pretty much everything else has come true, like 260HP (3.5L engine), VSA, enhanced Nav, etc.
Of course, no mention of price yet!! |
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| nanali1 |
| WOW!!! Anyone looking to buy a used 2002 Mahogany? Just kidding. Some interesting changes 'tho. |
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| msu79gt82 |
| Anyone else having problems opening the link:confused: |
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| BELOSH |
i for one am happy about standardizing rear mud gaurds. who doesnt add them? and they are around 80 bucks by the dealer, so this will offset some of the bump in the expected price. auto-on/off headlights and rain sensing wipers i dont need, but hey. how do auto off and on lights and rain sensing wipers work, anyway? and can you override them manually?
i could care less about all of the throttle stuff, the shortened transmission stuff...
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| TheWorm |
More Powerful V-6 Powertrain Delivers V-8-like Performance
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Torrance, Calif. 09/18/2002 -- The 2003 Acura MDX luxury sport utility vehicle receives a number of performance improvements and additional features designed to enhance its position as the benchmark in the luxury SUV category. Engine modifications including a new free-flowing exhaust system, boost horsepower from 240 to 260. An all-new, more compact 5-speed automatic transmission is quieter, and provides even smoother shifts. Suspension and chassis refinements, the addition of Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) and a drive-by-wire throttle system derived from the system on the NSX supercar combine for a smooth ride and ultra responsive handling. Inside, the available Acura Satellite-Linked Navigation System receives several important new features, including voice recognition and a rear view camera. A DVD Entertainment System is now available as a factory-installed option.
"The MDX continues to be the most sought after luxury SUV on the market and the changes we've made for 2003 make it even more desirable," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president, auto sales. "With performance better than most V-8s, retuned suspension and the addition of VSA, the MDX's power, handling and ride quality will be tough for any SUV to match."
The 2003 MDX's 3.5 liter, 24-valve, all-aluminum, VTEC V-6 engine benefits from a retooled exhaust system that includes two close-coupled primary catalytic converters, a secondary underfloor catalytic converter, and larger diameter exhaust pipes. These refinements increase exhaust flow by 40 percent and, when combined with new integrated cylinder heads and a shorter intake manifold port, boost horsepower from 240 to 260 and torque from 242 lb-ft to 250 lb-ft. Combined with new, orifice-type fuel injectors, the new exhaust system makes the MDX the first SUV to meet stringent ULEV-2 emissions standards. With estimated city/highway ratings of 17 mpg city/23 mpg highway, it delivers better combined fuel economy than any of its luxury competitors.
To handle the increased engine power, the 2003 MDX receives an all-new, compact 5-speed automatic transmission. This new 4-shaft gearbox is 60 millimeters shorter than the previous transmission and features increased torque capacity. A unique shaft center design not only reduces size, but also reduces gear noise, clutch drag and hydraulic friction.
The 2003 MDX also features a new drive-by-wire throttle system, evolved from the drive-by-wire system in the NSX supercar that has been custom tailored to meet the unique demands of a SUV. This innovative system eliminates the need for a mechanical connection between the accelerator pedal and the engine, and controls the throttle during transmission shifts for improved smoothness. It also allows for throttle control to be incorporated into the MDX's VSA logic and controls the vehicle's cruise control function.
The 2003 MDX's standard VTM-4 four-wheel drive system has been recalibrated to improve performance, especially on low friction surfaces. Torque distribution to the rear wheels has been increased by up to 30 percent, providing a significant improvement in the MDX's prowess in snow or other slippery road conditions.
In addition to ample power, the 2003 MDX delivers sport sedan-like handling and a smooth, compliant ride. The suspension has been retuned to deliver an even smoother ride while maintaining the vehicle's precise handling. To accomplish this, rear spring rates were increased while damping rates in both the front and the rear where reduced. New rear damper valves were adopted to enable more precise control of damping throughout the suspension movement. At the same time, dynamic torsional rigidity of the body was increased 35 percent by reinforcing the rear wheel house, tailgate and rear subframe.
Handling is further enhanced through the application of a new Vehicle Stability Assist system (VSA) that works in concert with the VTM-4 and drive-by-wire throttle systems to provide enhanced control during acceleration, braking and cornering. This 4-channel system orchestrates the throttle and each of the vehicle's four disc brakes to seamlessly integrate traction control, Anti-lock braking, and stability enhancement for increased driver control during acceleration, braking and cornering.
The MDX features 4-wheel disc brakes with 4-channel ABS, dual piston calipers in the front, standard 17-inch alloy wheels and specially designed P235/65R-17 all-season tires to provide stability and responsiveness. Front and rear stabilizer bars, a wide track and a low center of gravity give the MDX predictable cornering response and help maximize cornering capabilities.
The styling of the MDX strikes a balance between muscularity and elegance. Acura's signature family grille and bright, clean headlight treatment highlight the sharply chiseled front fascia while a wide stance communicates a message of strength and stability. For 2003, the MDX is available in three new colors: Midnight Blue Pearl, Sage Brush Pearl and Sandstone Metallic. In addition, it receives redesigned alloy wheels, standard rear mudguards, auto-on/off headlights and rain sensing windshield wipers (w/touring package).
The MDX's interior emphasizes the vehicle's versatile yet refined character with standard-setting levels of luxury and functionality. For 2003 a variety of enhancements have been made to ensure that all materials and accessories reflect the highest level of craftsmanship and refinement. Three uniquely transformable rows of seats allow the MDX to comfortably seat up to seven passengers. Second and third row seats split and fold flat into the floor providing 82 cubic feet of cargo room. Even with all three rows in use, the MDX still offers 14.8 cubic feet of cargo room behind the third row seats.
The comprehensively equipped MDX comes standard with a host of luxury features, including a seven-speaker AM/FM/Cassette stereo with in-dash CD player, a multi-function digital trip computer and a synchronized climate control system. Standard safety features include dual-stage, dual-threshold driver's and front passenger front airbags. The driver's side airbag adjusts deployment force to one of two rates according to input from sensors, which monitor the severity of the impact, seatbelt usage and, new for 2003, the position of the driver's seat. Front passenger's airbag deployment takes into account the severity of the crash and the passenger's weight. The MDX also offers driver's and front passenger's side airbags with exclusive occupant position sensors in the passenger's seat; and the LATCH (Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children) system on the second row of outboard seats to simplify child seat attachment.
While the MDX is already one of the most comprehensively equipped vehicles in its class, an optional Touring Package adds a variety of premium features. These features include a roof rack; exclusive alloy wheels; an upgraded 200-watt, eight speaker Acura/Bose Music System with 6-disc, in-dash CD changer; driver's and front passenger's 8-way power seats, and outside door mirror memory system.
For 2003, the optional Acura Navigation System gets a variety of new features and greatly enhanced capabilities including a newly developed voice recognition system, upgraded graphics and an expanded database with more than seven million points of interest. A rearview camera has been incorporated into the tailgate, which transmits a rearview picture to the navigation screen when the MDX is in reverse gear.
A new Acura DVD Entertainment System can now be ordered as a factory installed option. The DVD player mounts below the standard audio system and plays over the MDX's sound system or through a pair of cordless infrared headphones. The 7-inch LCD screen is mounted to the headliner, just behind the front seats for use by rear seat passengers. The system can be controlled either by using the MDX's audio controls or from the rear seats through the use of a remote control or the screen's control panel.
Like all Acura vehicles, the MDX comes equipped with a comprehensive 4-year/50,000-mile limited warranty that includes Acura's TLC (Total Luxury Care) customer service package.
For more information about Acura vehicles, please visit www.acura.com. For media inquiries, please go to www.acuranews.com. |
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| rnsangabriel |
I'm having a problem too on the link but just re-typed it and found the article news.
Indeed, the changes are very interesting and great improvements. I just have a question on the statement that " the 2003 MDX receives an all-new, compact 5-speed automatic transmission." pls. see article. Would this disperse the bad news on its transmission problems?
Other than that I'm happy to know about the changes. I'm still waiting for my dealer to call me about it and hopefully let me know the delivery date of my '03MDX.
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| Warzau |
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| socalJD |
| Yikes!!! May have to trade in my '02 Touring for an '03 Touring w/Navi & RES - the added ability to view the rear of the X while backing up is something the GPS III cannot do ! decisions, decisions . . . |
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| Gryphon |
Worth the wait !!! Pricing ????
Sounds like the navi will be >$2000 option though. My dealer had been guessing it was an option but the press release makes it sound as if its part of the navi. |
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| socalJD |
| These must be the new touring rims . . . |
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| Warzau |
| Darn you beat me to it. BTW they look strange. |
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| BaldEagle |
| A new transmission for the 2003. Sure glad I have a 2002. The new 2003 transmission is an unknown. We will have to wait a year or so the see if it is good, reliable, and trouble free. The 2001/2002 has been very smooth shifting and extremely reliable as anyone following this forum would know. |
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| socalJD |
| Let's try this again, another angle . . . |
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| nanali1 |
Different radio??
New Engine cover? |
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| stumpie |
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Originally posted by Gryphon
Worth the wait !!! Pricing ????
Sounds like the navi will be >$2000 option though. My dealer had been guessing it was an option but the press release makes it sound as if its part of the navi.
Well, the 2003 Tl/CL Navi is $2150, per the HondaNews website, so that may be a clue:
http://hondanews.com/Forms/acura/*w...dia***-***acura(directory)***.ws4d?acura/results(r)_text.html |
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| Gryphon |
sorry, left out ... rear-view camera as part of the navi package and not an extra option
so should be more than $2150 |
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| mdxpecting |
Other than the wheels - there doesn't appear to be any "skin" changes. At least those of us w/ '01s and '02s wont have cars that look like last years model.
The new Nav does sound teriffic though. Anyone know where screen pics are posted? |
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| mdxpecting |
| Do my eyes deceive me or is the faux wood less fake looking? Also, what happened to the sport-shift tranny? It seems Acura has retained the ridiculous (diagonal line with an etch-a-sketch) shift gate. |
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| DaleB |
The mechanical changes are most interesting, of course they make it read like it's more than it is. But still I like the freer exhaust. If there is no displacement change, I can see many would go for after-market exhaust systems as upgrades for their 01 and 02s. Of course you wont benefit from the engine recalibration.
Transmission is an unknown. It may have been designed in light of present problems to add reliability. If may be a new 'blueprint' for all models across the Acura line.
The rear view camera is must, for sure!
Imagine what the the 2006 will be like!
The touring wheels look more like the present premium wheels. I don't care for them myself...probably be a lot more after-market wheels sold... |
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| rvehock |
| I don't like those wheels:16: |
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| BaldEagle |
| No BSM's. Was hoping for a new designed BSM that would have better coverage and look better than the Add-ons available. |
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| socalJD |
Definitely different looking rims - but at least you can differentiate the '03 Touring from 01/02 . . .
Radio is also new, different LCD display with a big center knob - must be for Touring/Bose w/ 6 disc changer, not sure I like the way the DVD player is tacked on to the console below the radio panel . . .
Looks like the steering wheel is also different with an Acura emblem in the center . . .
very, very interesting . . . |
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| mymdxiscoming |
did someone request navi pics ...
see the first page ..! |
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| mymdxiscoming |
| ... and if look @ the pic the column shift still has that drunken pattern .... |
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| Warzau |
quote:
Originally posted by mymdxiscoming
did someone request navi pics ...
buawhahah I already posted that on first page :eek: |
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| mymdxiscoming |
| i just noticed that ... time to clean up the post ...! |
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| voltes |
| looks like the DVD player for navi is now under the radio instead of under the passenger seat. Or are my eyes deceiving me??? :eek: |
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| Warzau |
| yeah the player looks like its in that pocket in the center console. so no more center pocket. |
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| bareyb |
Looks like they made some very nice changes. I'm glad I waited for the 2003. I am going to think positive about the new Transmission and think that they probably improved it. I can imagine they are being pretty darn careful now. You sure don't want to get a reputation for "bad transmissions". That's gonna be a deal breaker for alot of folks. I would think they tested the heck out of this new model. At least I hope so...
Overall I like the changes. Still don't understand the gate shifter. Lexus is doing that now too. What is the DEAL? What is the advtange to the"Gate Shift"? It just seems more clumsy to me... There must be a reason they are using it... |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by bareyb
I am going to think positive about the new Transmission and think that they probably improved it. I can imagine they are being pretty darn careful now.
You would hope so. The only other concern in the back of my mind, and hopefully I won't get flamed for this, is that I don't know if I liked the sound of a more "compact" transmission. As the Acura mechanic here has said, compact can often mean less heft and less durability. Obviously there are ways to compensate for that, but I don't often hear about "compact" when it comes to mid-sized SUV transmissions. Though I hear that one reason the higher Volvo XC90 trim doesn't come with 5-speed is because there was no room to fit it.
As far as the gated shifter goes, it seems like Acura and now Lexus are intent on copying an old MB shift pattern. |
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| manus1980 |
| The 03 Armrest appears to be real leather as opposed to the rubber armrest in my 01 and 02. |
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| rghouz01 |
| Not crazy about the '03 rims:16: . Everything else is :29: |
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| renov8r |
William:
I like the sound of "compact". It means they had to REENGINEER the primary input and output shafts. A 'very good thing' as before they just added the fifth gear and lenghted the shafts -- longer shafts == more flex == more chance for unwanted wear. I would say this is analogous to REWRITTING some computer code, if you the new version is 20% less code, there is a 20% decrease in possible 'bugs'.
In many 'engineered' things less complicated == more reliable.
Don't confuse "length" with durability. The diameter of the shafts/ bearings ought to same and THAT is the critical 'toughness' factor!
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Originally posted by wmquan
You would hope so. The only other concern in the back of my mind, and hopefully I won't get flamed for this, is that I don't know if I liked the sound of a more "compact" transmission. As the Acura mechanic here has said, compact can often mean less heft and less durability. Obviously there are ways to compensate for that, but I don't often hear about "compact" when it comes to mid-sized SUV transmissions. Though I hear that one reason the higher Volvo XC90 trim doesn't come with 5-speed is because there was no room to fit it.
As far as the gated shifter goes, it seems like Acura and now Lexus are intent on copying an old MB shift pattern.
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Originally posted by renov8r
William:
I like the sound of "compact". It means they had to REENGINEER the primary input and output shafts. A 'very good thing' as before they just added the fifth gear and lenghted the shafts -- longer shafts == more flex == more chance for unwanted wear. I would say this is analogous to REWRITTING some computer code, if you the new version is 20% less code, there is a 20% decrease in possible 'bugs'.
In many 'engineered' things less complicated == more reliable.
Don't confuse "length" with durability. The diameter of the shafts/ bearings ought to same and THAT is the critical 'toughness' factor!
It will be interesting to see even if the mechanism is more comapct and efficient, if they keep the fluid volume the same or even increase it which will add to reliability through better cooling. |
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| wmquan |
quote:
Originally posted by renov8r
William:
I like the sound of "compact". It means they had to REENGINEER the primary input and output shafts. A 'very good thing' as before they just added the fifth gear and lenghted the shafts -- longer shafts == more flex == more chance for unwanted wear. I would say this is analogous to REWRITTING some computer code, if you the new version is 20% less code, there is a 20% decrease in possible 'bugs'.
In many 'engineered' things less complicated == more reliable.
Don't confuse "length" with durability. The diameter of the shafts/ bearings ought to same and THAT is the critical 'toughness' factor!
As with the current MDX, only time will tell.
BTW, just to be nit-picky since you brought up computer code, rewriting to a new code version with 20% less code doesn't usually result in 20% less bugs. It often invites many new bugs. Old code has usually been tested with time and the bugs ironed out, though the code is less maintainable.
But anyway, I understand your point about the transmission. Again, only time will tell. |
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| mgmdx |
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The 03 Armrest appears to be real leather as opposed to the rubber armrest in my 01 and 02.
How can you tell this from the picture? :confused: |
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| gokings55 |
| The dvd player under the nav screen is probably for the RES, they probably still have the Nav DVD component under the passenger seat. I really the new steering wheel and the new rims. I bet the rims will look cool chromed. |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by mgmdx
How can you tell this from the picture? :confused:
One of the spec pages for the 2003 MDX says the armrest is leather.
I still don't consider that a big upgrade in interior materials quality. :D |
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| xcel |
Hi All:
___This is to answer Belosh’s questions in regards to how the auto off/on lights may work on the 03 X. My 03 Corolla LE has auto on/off lights but the X’s may be programmed slightly different. When you first start the Corolla, the day time driving lights come on. If the optical sensor in the front left corner of the dash senses that it is dusk or dark (night), it kicks on the std. night driving lights. This takes ~ 7 or 8 seconds after you start the car. For brights, you still have to pull back on the light stalk but other than that, you never touch the light stalk for std. lighting as it is all automatic. I do have to say that I love this feature and now wish all my vehicles had it. The only negative to the Corolla’s setup is that some military bases require that you shut off your lights when you approach the entry gates in the night time hours. No one has quite figured out how to shut off their lights with their new Corolla’s just yet unfortunately. As for the rain sensing wipers, I had read that it was Toyota/Lexus who properly engineered this feature first but I could be wrong? How they work is unknown to me but I am sure many can’t wait to find out ;) That is if you are ordering the Touring trim.
___As for the new Touring Rims … I also think Acura made a big mistake. I hope the Premium’s look better?
___I see the engine uses the same 10.0:1 compression ratio and still only recommends Premium unleaded even with the higher output. With that pet peeve out of the way, there is only one more to go … price! Higher RPM to achieve the higher HP and torque is not in anyone’s best interest IMHO but it does give Acura some bragging rights :( The new leather seats appear to be un-perforated which I think is a nice touch. The interior leather appearance follows along the lines of the 03 Accord EX and both my wife and I are very grateful for this. The arm rest does appear to be actual leather? The smoother ride will also be a welcome addition. Looking at the 02 and 03 in a side by side, it appears as if the mirrors have been downsized/shrunk on the 03? This may be great for reducing wind noise but I don’t think that it was a smart move for the actual rear view from the smaller rear view mirrors? Did anyone notice the Acura pic’s posted at the Honda media newsroom site of the cutaway interior and the opened up rear end are the same pic’s for both the 02 and 03’s? The cutaway is actually the 02’s since the steering wheel doesn’t have the Acura logo.
___Wmquan, with your post into the 03 Changes thread, that third gear clutch pack redesign/relocation has to be for a reason. I wonder if the 01/02 transmissions do have a problem after all?
___Finally, did I already mention that the new Touring rims … well … they kind of … $uck? As DaleB mentioned already, there are going to be some happy custom wheel shop owners as their 17, 18, and 19” 03 MDX wheel sales are about to skyrocket IMHO.
___Good Luck to you all and thanks for all of the links and pic’s this morning.
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
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| vicpai |
.....looks like I won't be asking for a refund on my deposit after all :D .....the GM of the dealership I had a deposit with, turned out to be right on the dot, as far as the VOICE-ACTIVATED NAVI goes!!....Just awesome, .....music to my ears!!
I'm EXTREMELY PLEASED about the info on the new revised transmission, which I firmly believe was done MAINLY to address the reliability/durability/design issue. This is especially significant and indicative because this new unit is not the "sport-shift version" as previously thought by some. This begs asking the question, as to why they would redesign the transmission if it were not to change or add new features (such as the sport-shift)?? ......get it!! :27: Besides, as William pointed out specifics in another post "transmission" - see link below - it all adds up.
http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/show...5&pagenumber=25
Simply LOVE the new design of the alloy wheels!!
Like the interior design too.....looks more "plush"......and is it just me??, or are the actual instruments more akin to the Type-S design??....I mean the "reverse-black-on-white-glow-at-night" type.
Drive-by-wire - YES!! :29: - In addition to all the usual inherent pluses, I'm sure the benefits it provides (such as smoother shifting and throttle control) will add EVEN MORE reliability to all the components including the Transmission
However, as far as improved performance goes, I think it will be marginal, at best. (notice that the all-important TORQUE has gone up ONLY 5 lb.ft. and is available only at higher RPMs - 3500 vs. 3000).....low end torque is probably virtually the same. However, the combination of "electronic-throttle-control" and better spaced gear ratios will possibly give the "perception" of increased performance (Acura claims an improvement of 0.4 secs in acceleration - down from the "generally accepted" 0-60 figure of 8.1 secs to 7.7 secs) - This whole thing does not really concern me, as I think the current model has good performance as it is!
VSA - very very important - MDX really needed it and kudos to Honda for stepping up to the plate - VERY PLEASED!! :4:
All the other little subtle improvements including rain sensing wipers, one touch-up down window, auto on/off headlamp, backup camera in Navi, rear DVD system etc. make owning the vehicle that much more a pleasure!!
Yes, all of this is just what the doctor odered .......looks like they read our minds to the T
....makes waiting for my '03 Midnight Blue/Saddle Touring/NAV/RES that much more fun and exciting!! :5:
P.S. I noticed in the "specifications" section, the turning circle has gotten even better to 37.2 ft (I wondering if this is a typo or for real) If it's true it should be FANTASTIC NEWS!! ......also noted that a FULLY LOADED MDX, now tips the scales at a hair over 4500lbs. |
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| vicpai |
.........from Hondanews.com (under "powertrain-2" of the "TECHNICAL" section for the 2003 MDX) that specifically mentions that the 2003 MDX transmission is redesigned to prevent clogging of oil passages .......it's just short of admitting the issue, right from the horses mouth!
If I remember correctly, this was one of the "problems with Acura 5-speeds" mentioned in the L.A. times article
However, it does make me happy that Honda has stepped up to the plate and addressed this issue without much further ado
Here's the excerpt:
5-SPEED AUTOMATIC TRANSAXLE
The 2003 MDX features an all-new compact 5-speed automatic transmission that utilizes a new 4-shaft design layout. This new layout relocates the third gear clutch from the countershaft to a new transmission shaft. The combination of the new layout and the adoption of a super flat torque converter allowed engineers to reduce the overall transmission length by 60 mm while increasing torque capacity to match the more powerful engine. The shape of the differential gear and the shape of the oil sump have been changed to reduce the collection of oil in the pan and separate the oil from the gears. This reduction in friction improves efficiency, thereby boosting performance.
A lock-up torque converter is provided to maximize fuel efficiency. Torque-converter lock-up and shift timing are both managed by a 32-bit, 40-MHzf PGM-F I CPU that maintains a communications link with the engine's CPU. Gear and clutch materials and the transaxle case itself are all engineered to support towing, off-road driving, and 4-wheel-drive use.
This unit's design utilizes extra-wide gear ratios, which enhance low-speed pulling capability, fuel economy and the ability to cruise quietly on the highway. Creative use of clutched idler gears permits the transaxle to provide five forward speeds with little more weight or bulk than a typical four-speed automatic. A one-way clutch is provided for first gear to smooth upshift quality. An ext'ra-capacity transmission fluid cooler is offered with the MDX's optional tow package to maintain acceptable lubricant temperatures during heavy-load conditions. |
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| tigmd99 |
Hey all,
Just a warning: "This unit's design utilizes extra-wide gear ratios, which enhance low-speed pulling capability, fuel economy and the ability to cruise quietly on the highway."
This is not exactly a good thing. EXTRA-wide gear ratios means that the 1st gear is low (numerically high) and the 2nd gear is high (numerically low). In addition, this probably means that the 5th gear is very high (numerically low) to save fuel. This does NOT translate to good performance, but it does do good for fuel economy. The current 5-speed auto is good at this. The new 5-speed auto may be more fuel efficient but LESS in terms of performance. Of course, this is offset by a bit more engine power. Remember, a sports car transmission usually has CLOSE-ratio gearing.
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| mdxpecting |
| Another problem I thought was to be addressed in the 03 is the roof rack (appears to be no changes) from the write-ups and photos. Many have noted the current design (01, 02) is thoroughly useless. |
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| wmquan |
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Another problem I thought was to be addressed in the 03 is the roof rack (appears to be no changes) from the write-ups and photos. Many have noted the current design (01, 02) is thoroughly useless.
Yep, it'd have been nice if they'd at least put the Pilot's rack on it. Oh well. |
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| sandman1 |
| Where are the 03" interior pics everyone is referring to? |
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| Harry |
I wonder, is the 03 Pilot getting the new trasmission? That will tell a lot.
I love my 02 but this transmission issue is making me look at the 03. Not what I want to do.
Although I have had zero problems with my transmission, my confidence in long term dependability just isn't there any more.
I have been using Honda products since 1982 and all but 1 has been bullet proof.
Who said "give a new vehical 3 years" to iron out the problems.:rolleyes: |
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| xcel |
Hi tigmd99:
___Not that this means absolutely anything to anyone but the 03 X has .4 seconds faster 0 – 60 and ¼ mile times vs. the 01/02 as posted at the 2003 Acura MDX -- Introduction - Part 1 page:
This performance is especially apparent in the 2003 MDX as the additional 20 horsepower has dropped its 0-60 and quarter times 0.4 seconds.
___In my own uses, this 03 X improvement will mean absolutely nothing but than again, Honda did add it without any loss of gas mileage …
___Sandman1, you can click on the many image or information based links offered at the Acura News site as MDX350 so graciously linked for us last night. Thanks MDX350!
___Harry, at least keep your X through the warranty period … unless you can sell it for what you paid which some have somehow actually achieved???
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| torchny |
2003 model does seem to be great with all the improvements. :)
For interior, I do hope Acura/Honda will "upgrade" the material they use for the 2 stalks and buttons for radio and cruise control on the steering column/wheel. Honestly, I don't even mind that much about the fake wood but these "polished" plastic looking material just... And they still look exactly the same like the ones on my old '89 accord!
Pretty much the only "complaint" about our MDX now!! :D
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yeah..
I think they did a pretty good job on new Accord's wood trim
Light color looks much better.
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| msu79gt82 |
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Originally posted by sandman1
Where are the 03" interior pics everyone is referring to?
We are on p.4 now of this thread; interior pics are on p.1 (as well as the hondanews website). |
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| nm2 |
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Originally posted by 2003MDX
yeah..
I think they did a pretty good job on new Accord's wood trim
Light color looks much better.
2003MDX,
You previously wrote that you have an order with Precision Acura. Can you tell me whether they gave you a good deal on accessories? i.e match Tim's prices? |
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| papawoolf |
| I'm surprised that the 03 doesn't include HID lights and Onstar. :( |
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| ssMDX01 |
| I wonder if the 2003 X is getting the same fuel tank. |
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| FamilyMDX |
It looks that the MDX 2003 has a different Side mirror. Comparing the 2002 with 2003, the 2003's mirror is more rectangular, whereas the 2002 has a slight angled mirror, where it connects to the doors.
Did any one notice that? |
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| FamilyMDX |
Harry
About the problems with MDX transmission, I believe that very small percentage of these trannys had problems. I read it was 16% or so, but I think it is less.
A friend had an Odyssey, and in its third year (last year) he was in his way to L.A. (40 miles away) and while making about 80-90 mph, he filt as if he hit a wall when the gear shifted down to second or first gear.
The tranny was working perfectly for 3 years without any symptoms, noise or any signs of problems.
But Honda took care of them, gave them a rental minivan and the Odyssey was fixed and shipped back to them in San Jose from L.A.
I think these problems happen with no warnings. |
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| 2003MDX |
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Originally posted by nm2
2003MDX,
You previously wrote that you have an order with Precision Acura. Can you tell me whether they gave you a good deal on accessories? i.e match Tim's prices?
nm2:
Jim Stwek(I forgot how to spell his last name), was my salesguy.
He is very good to deal with. He gave me 03 Base at MSRP. I did not ask for any accessorires. I am thinking to order from Tim. |
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| RKGlenn |
Considering the attention given to the grainy photo of the new rims I'm amazed that nobody has commented one of the most important changes - the addition of a Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA) (stability control) system.
My '03 red MDX has been on order since 7/1, probably because we wanted a color other than grey (or a variation). I am still driving a 97 Explorer and the lean at 70mph is increasingly worrysome.
The Mdx already has the highest roll-over rating. However Consumer Reports still published reservations on the lack of a stability control. The X5 has it and apparently so does the Lexus.
Is the VSA related to the drive by wire & brake improvements?
Waiting for a delivery date. |
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| MDX350 |
Yes, VSA is the most significant improvement in my opinion. Everyone else has it, I have seen it at play on mercedes cars, and it makes a hell of a difference. Even on snow, I couldn't get a C240 to spin out of control.
did anyone notice the shorter turning radius at 37.2ft, instead of 37.8ft for the 02?
Seems like the 03 will be a winner too!! |
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| damormino |
| My Dealer just told me that Satellite Radio will be available as a factory installed option in the 2003 MDX. He said this is a rumor, but very likely. I have a deposit for a 2003 with Touring, Navigation and DVD Entertainment (but no Satellite Radio). I understood that this was everything that could be installed at the factory. Now I am not so sure. Can anyone confirm this? |
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| renov8r |
If you search on XM radio you'd find this link;
http://www.hondanews.com/Forms/corp...ts(r)_text.html
As your dealer does not seem to be able to read info from Honda, I might worry about my deposit... ;)
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Originally posted by damormino
My Dealer just told me that Satellite Radio will be available as a factory installed option in the 2003 MDX. He said this is a rumor, but very likely. I have a deposit for a 2003 with Touring, Navigation and DVD Entertainment (but no Satellite Radio). I understood that this was everything that could be installed at the factory. Now I am not so sure. Can anyone confirm this?
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| khaug |
The '03 MDX specs indicate the engine oil capacity has been reduced by 25%, from a not-so-robust 5.6 quarts in '01-'02 to only 4.2 quarts for '03!
To put this in perspective, our '98 4Runner V6 (3.4L, 183 hp) holds six quarts, our 2000 BMW 528i (2.8L, 193 hp) holds seven and my '88 Porsche 911 (3.2 L, 217 hp) holds 12. The "Iron Duke" 2.5 4-cylinder engines in the 1980s Fieros, infamous for consuming their oil supply, blowing up and burning to the ground as a result, held three.
This is particularly worrisome to me, as I've been considering buying an MDX to tow a 4,000 lb trailer. It's hard to imagine the engine will be durable under trailer-towing loads with so little oil to cool and lubricate 260 hp, and this change will probably rule out the MDX for me. I hope this is a typo, like the weight distribution figures appear to be.
On another note, I ran the new "extra-wide-ratio" tranny's gearing through my tire size/gearing spreadsheet to look at the bottom line. The ratio spread and mph/1000 rpm in each gear are virtually identical to the '01-'02 tranny.
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| xcel |
Hi Khaug:
___That almost has to be a mistake given the block and or passages would have had to have been changed. This is a good engine by all I have read so there shouldn’t have been any reason to change it? The extra 20 HP appears to have come from intake and exhaust tuning so that would not have anything to do with a lower capacity oil in the engine either. Maybe they reduced the oil filter size but no way would that have made a 1.4 Qt. difference. It has just got to be a typo as I cannot think of an engine I have owned recently with that small a capacity. Well the mowers anyway ;)
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| renov8r |
I think the whines of "too much stuff hanging down" won out.
I really think the oil capacity is plenty. I doubt that you will ever see the oil temperature rise, even when towing/offroading, The MDX and Pilot both have EXCELLENT air flow to the radiator (where there is a small oil cooler) compared to other Honda/Acura products.
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Originally posted by xcel
Hi Khaug:
___That almost has to be a mistake given the block and or passages would have had to have been changed. This is a good engine by all I have read so there shouldn’t have been any reason to change it? The extra 20 HP appears to have come from intake and exhaust tuning so that would not have anything to do with a lower capacity oil in the engine either. Maybe they reduced the oil filter size but no way would that have made a 1.4 Qt. difference. It has just got to be a typo as I cannot think of an engine I have owned recently with that small a capacity. Well the mowers anyway ;)
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
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| xcel |
Hi renov8r:
___Thanks for the reply and an excellent point! I never even thought of that. I hope they didn’t decrease oil capacity in this fashion but if they did, they must have had temperature probes all over the inside of that block while testing in the heat of the American Southwest with fully loaded down X’s … I sure hope so anyway as 4.2 Qt.’s is a very small amount of fluid to be circulating through an engine of this size IMO.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| wmquan |
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Originally posted by MDX350
Yes, VSA is the most significant improvement in my opinion.
Agreed. While things like voice-activated Navi are nice, VSA is highly useful and makes the MDX a lot more competitive in an area that more buyers are demanding nowadays.
The VSA should really address the tail-happiness in the Consumer Reports emergency handling test
What we don't know is whether or not Acura is supplying a "VSA off" button -- I didn't see anything about it in the specs. Some folks like having it because there are some situations (offroading ones, for example) where it's more desirable to turn it off. Though it should be on the rest of the time.
Unfortunately, I do have to mention that Acura's VSA and Toyota/Lexus's VSC (Vehicle Stability Assist) are not as good as MB's ESP, BMW's system, and VW/Audi's (which are licensed from MB). That's because VSA and VSC disengage when ABS is active. So VSA and VSC helps in an emergency maneuver, when you're swerving to avoid an obstacle and then swerving to get back into lane. It keeps your tail tucked in, and is a big positive.
But the scenario where VSA and VSC doesn't work in is when you're taking a slippery curve, realize you're too fast, and then start braking, and the tail starts swinging out, and ABS steps in. VSA and VSC disengage in favor of ABS. With the MB, BMW, VW, Audi, etc. systems (I think Volvo's as well), stability control remains active and still works to counteract the skid. E.g. with MB's ESP, it can even "invert" ABS braking effort in an attempt to stop the skid.
And, of course, no stability control system (BMW's, MB's, Acura's, etc.) can defy the laws of physics.
Overall, I am happy that Acura added it in. |
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| BZ'sX |
I recently signed 4-year lease on a 2002 MDX HB Touring w/o navi from Ryan's Open Road Acura in East Brunswick, NJ. No forced options. I added side steps, fender flares and rear spash guards. Lease price was based on MSRP (what a surprise), but dealer gave me check for $1,006 to cover last two lease payments on my 2000 4Runner, and delivered car to my house.
My local Acura dealer, Precision Acura in Princeton, NJ, who I've leased from since 1991 ('91 Legend, '98 TL, '01 TL) told me if this deal was real, to run to it because he couldn't match it.
Should I be reasonably pleased? How does this stack up with your experiences? |
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| srpbep |
03 X sounds awesome:
** Mechanical stuff [ride, VSC, HP, etc.]
** Features [auto up win, auto on/off HL, auto wipers, etc.]
** Navi includes backup vision
** Trans redesign
Well, we have a low mileage [just turned 7,000] 02 X. If someone must have one and is willing to pay good price, I just might have to "change gears".
Anyone desperate for an 02 MDX Touring w Nav? |
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| DaleB |
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Originally posted by srpbep
Anyone desperate for an 02 MDX Touring w Nav?
You got to be kidding? Sure, someone is going to buy an X that is ready to have the tranny drop out, the rear view mirror fall off, struts full of bad welds, clattering brake shoes, nicked pillars, a Bose that blows, and probably a seat that squeaks.
No, thanks, I already have one.. and love it!! :2: |
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| 2002 Acura MDX! |
| WOW!!!!!! this topic is sooooooooo long!!!! I couldn't even finish them all. :eek: |
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| srpbep |
DaleB,
You really should consider a 2nd X. Don't you know, 2 is better than 1. This was proven by Honda 'cause we all know the 02 was better than the 01 !!
As to your list, thanks for keeping it short and only listing the little problems, don't want to discourage potential buyers.
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PS -- Our seats don't squeek. Is this indicative of a manufacturing problem?
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| 2002 Acura MDX! |
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