| MDXFAN2003 |
Here were some lies told to me by a Jeep salesman:
"TV screens and Video screens are going to be banned in all cars next year.
All those navigation systems are going to be ripped out of existing cars and
trucks so I would not bother getting one"
My Reply: According to your Mopar catalog they offer an after-market navigation
system that Jeep approves.
Salesperson: .................
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Salesguy: "You don't want to buy an MDX because Acura has only been designing trucks
for 4 years we've been doing it for sixty who are you guys gonna rely on for a nice
truck?"
My Reply: Acura is a division of honda and they've been designing trucks for alot longer
than 4 years. Did you know this is not Acura's first truck?
Salesguy: ......................
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We somehow got on the discussion of the new M3 somehow:
Salesguy: Yeah, I used to have one it was nice I crashed it. I had the 01 M3 with the V8 in it I
loved that car.
My Reply: :rolleyes:
My thoughts on the Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland Edition:
SUCKED.
Ride quality was terrible.
Seats were spongy to say the least.
The V8 was very strong but the MPG was ridiculous and the throttle was too sensative.
When he popped the rear gate up a piece of plastic off the back pillar fell off.
The nail in the coffin is when he told me only one dealer in NJ (North Jersey) gives out loaners
at that point I told him no thanks. I could of had that truck at $34K because I could of bought it
through a friends and family program which is 1% below invoice. Although I would have saved alot, no
thanks the headaches and service problems would make up for the money saved. |
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| GABulldawg |
| ask him where I can get one!! Not to mention the fact that a Jeep Salesman doesn't make enough to buy an M3 in the first place. I get so sick of salesman giving me the old "I've got one of these very models in my own home" when you are looking at something that costs half their annual salary. And then when a salesman at a clothing store has the nerve to tell you $250 isn't really a lot to spend on a pair of slacks when they are making $10 an hour. It's always the same BS with those folks. |
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| DaleB |
My problem is when the sales staff does not match the quality of the vehicle they are selling.
With the Jeep, I just don't see a problem.
(and just think of the other prospective buyers that probably eat up everything he tells them....) |
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| Fireblade6 |
Actually the statement made by the Jeep guy, "My Reply: Acura is a division of honda and they've been designing trucks for alot longer
than 4 years. Did you know this is not Acura's first truck?:"
Salesguy: ......................
Is Actually not that far off....The Honda CRV has been in production for more than four years but as for the other vehicle such as the Honda Passport and the Acura SLX are actually rebadged Isuzus...Acura's first REAL SUV is the MDX which the project started in 1995 and launched in 2001. The Honda Pilot's recently this year.
Nevertheless....Jeeps suck over MDX or Pilots...:2: |
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| MDXFAN2003 |
quote:
Originally posted by DaleB
My problem is when the sales staff does not match the quality of the vehicle they are selling.
With the Jeep, I just don't see a problem.
(and just think of the other prospective buyers that probably eat up everything he tells them....)
Jeep vehicles have a TON of service issues beyond the pale of anything an MDX would have. When I told my friends I was going to go look at one they all were like.... buy an MDX LOL. |
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| Maik |
I have always refused to deal with salespeople that attempt to sell their product simply by badmouthing the competition. Its ok to compare features, but to simply badmouth a competitor is the fastest way to get me out. I have walked away from many a salesperson as a result.
Sell me YOUR product.
I wonder if auto dealerships have pension plans...no way any sales people could ever get vested. With no hard evidence to back up my next comment other than my experience...seems like the average length of employment for auto sales people is awfully short. An industry with a very high moron ratio.
I will never forget when my wife an I were looking at SUV's, we went to a Trailblazer dealer. Salesperson asked me if we were going to buy a car that night. I said no, we are in the early stage of our search. At that point, he was unwilling to spend any time with us! Gave us the keys to a car we could test drive and did not even come with us. Upon our return, he did not even talk to us. I gave the receptionist the keys and we left. Never to return. I guess he was relying on his chrystal ball and knew we would not like the car.
Awesome sales technique. |
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| DaleB |
quote:
Originally posted by MDXFAN2003
Jeep vehicles have a TON of service issues beyond the pale of anything an MDX would have. When I told my friends I was going to go look at one they all were like.... buy an MDX LOL.
Maybe you missed my point. The 'quality' of the sales person was equal to what he is selling. |
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| msu79gt82 |
quote:
Originally posted by Maik
I have always refused to deal with salespeople that attempt to sell their product simply by badmouthing the competition. Its ok to compare features, but to simply badmouth a competitor is the fastest way to get me out. I have walked away from many a salesperson as a result.
Sell me YOUR product.
This has always been my philosophy and practice. |
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| dbehrens |
quote:
Originally posted by Fireblade6
Actually the statement made by the Jeep guy, "My Reply: Acura is a division of honda and they've been designing trucks for alot longer
than 4 years. Did you know this is not Acura's first truck?:"
Salesguy: ......................
Is Actually not that far off....The Honda CRV has been in production for more than four years but as for the other vehicle such as the Honda Passport and the Acura SLX are actually rebadged Isuzus...Acura's first REAL SUV is the MDX which the project started in 1995 and launched in 2001. The Honda Pilot's recently this year.
Nevertheless....Jeeps suck over MDX or Pilots...:2:
True the MDX is Acura's first real SUV, However HONDA has been making light trucks for a long time.
FOR EXAMPLE
The T360 was built from about 63' to 67'
The t500 and P700 built also about 64' to 67'
Although these trucks were never imported to the USA, they were developed and sold exclusively by Honda.
By the way, If Chrysler has been making trucks for so long, how come they still suck vs the MDX? |
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| dbehrens |
t360
"The first Honda automotive product to actually go into production was the T360 truck in June of 1963. With a slightly detuned version of the S360 engine, it produced 30 horsepower at 8,500 rpm. Between June 1963 and August 1967, Honda produced 108,920 of these "sports trucks" in four different versions; a T360 with a conventional pick up truck bed (pictured); a T360F flat bed with wooden slats; a T360H with a flat pick up truck bed and sides that fold in addition to the tailgate; and a T360V "panel van" with an enclosed, hard cap over the bed." From honda history at hondabeat.com
So that means honda is really a truck company rather than cars. :rolleyes: |
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| dbehrens |
t500
"The T360's big brother, the T500, was produced from September1964 to November1967. It was available in two body styles; a conventional pick up bed, and the T500F, shown here, with the flatbed and sides that fold down in addition to the tailgate. Engine displacement was increased to 531cc, increasing the horsepower to 38 at 7,500 rpm. Total production over the four year span was 10,226." Also from Hondabeat.com |
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| dbehrens |
p700
The L700 station wagon (Honda referred to it as a "light van") was available in two trim levels; the basic LA700, and the better appointed LM700. The P700 light truck was slightly more conventional in body style than the cab-over-engine T series, with both models using coil springs and shocks for their front suspension while keeping with leaf springs and a solid axle in the rear. From honda history at hondabeat.com
WoW, Light van, but it doesn't look like an Odyssey!:eek: |
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| ByeByeChrysler |
www.hondabeat.com is a pretty cool site.
:cool:
I noticed as of August sales data, over 35000 MDX's sold YTD. |
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| hockeyplayer |
| My wife has an 01 Jeep Wrangler Sport. I have to admit I wasn't a fan of Jeeps but they really aren't that bad. Once you come to accept the Jeep for what is and not to think it is a luxury vehicle, they are fun. She loves the thing and that is all that matters. You could buy 2 for the price of an MDX. One of the weirdest things I quickley learned about driving a Jeep is that every other Jeep owner that passes is instantly your friend. Have you all heard of the "JEEP WAVE"? It is crazy! Is there an MDX wave? Anyways she has hers and I will have my MDX hoggin the garage. |
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| dbehrens |
quote:
Originally posted by ByeByeChrysler
www.hondabeat.com is a pretty cool site.
:cool:
I noticed as of August sales data, over 35000 MDX's sold YTD.
Yes, I really like thier sales data which is broken down by Honda, Acura and individual models. It will be interesting to see how may Pilots and MDX's are sold this year!!!:4:
In Sept they sold 3,753 X's for a YTD total of 38,857. This is up significantly from the 30,047 they sold YTD Sept last year.:cool: |
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| Fireblade6 |
quote:
Originally posted by dbehrens
t500
"The T360's big brother, the T500, was produced from September1964 to November1967. It was available in two body styles; a conventional pick up bed, and the T500F, shown here, with the flatbed and sides that fold down in addition to the tailgate. Engine displacement was increased to 531cc, increasing the horsepower to 38 at 7,500 rpm. Total production over the four year span was 10,226." Also from Hondabeat.com
HAHAHAH:19: :21: that is no truck...it is a scooter.. Well there is the reason why it was not imported from Japan or in this case exported to the US of A. These "trucks" are built for narrow and slow moving traffice Japan. But seriously though..I did not reallize that they made these little twuks! Cool though...Good to know. |
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| GABulldawg |
| Mercedes Salesman never badmouth each others cars becasue they know most of their customers love both kinds and see straight through it. That plus the fact they often end up working for the other company at some point in their career. They realize that in the end- more than one company out there makes good cars, the customer knows this to be true, and in the end will pick the one they prefer based on their own needs. |
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| mymdxiscoming |
lmao ... i was playing basketball this morning and some construction worker passed by me in one of the "mini me" pick ups ...
hockeyplayer:
any major problems with the jeep so far ...? there are many people on here quick to down the JEEP brand and say you have tons of trouble but they are speeking from "hear say" ... i would like to hear what a owner has to say ... and considering that the offer a way better standard warrant than a MDX ... @ least they will be fixing you problems for a very long time(lmao) ... but whats the 411 on the JEEP ... |
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| mymdxiscoming |
| even though im not really into the wrangler style jeep ... it looks nice and very promising ... also is there any competition ... i think jeep is the only make of that style ...? |
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| hockeyplayer |
| Our Jeep is going on 16000 miles now. Not a problem at all. In fact I think it is running better now. I am not a fan of domestics but this thing is really fun to drive. I think they build em alot better now. Its got dual airbags, cd player, ac.....what???? cd player in a Jeep?? Factory unit too. I still think the greatest thing is you could actually remove the floor plug and hose the inside???? Easy to park but scary as heck drivin down interstate at 80 mph bumper to bumper. Good ole Atlanta:) Funny story about the purchase. My wife insisted on takin it off road on test drive. I wasn't going to say no but said "its a test drive???" .She found an old logging road and proceeded down the road slowly dodging puddles. It came time to turn around on this narrow road she tried a u turn and couldn't do it in one turn so she put it in reverse only to get the back wheels in a muddy rut. Soooo...What does she do??? gives it gas...I am sitting in the passenger seat watching red georgia clay flying past my window. oh geeez. I stop her immediately, put it in 4 wheel low and tell her to ease the gas. Sure enough out it comes. So we make it down to the nearest car wash. Spray it off. Drive back to the dealer and cause she had soooo much fun we bought it right there. Man I always laugh when I tell that story. |
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| rroof |
I also love the Wrangler Rubicon! My MDX (OK, wife's) goes "OK" off-road, but I have been stuck once already and nervous many times. I also have an old Isuzu Trooper ('89 LS) with 32 inch tires that I have not been able to get stuck no matter how hard I try :cool:
OH - here is my "V-8" M3 (for those that don't know, the E46 M3 has an inline 3.2L "straight" 6). |
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| rroof |
| And here is an '03 Wrangler Rubicon complete with Dana 44 rear, lockers, 31" Wrangler M/Ts, etc. |
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| rroof |
| And I can't forget the Trooper ..... |
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| mymdxiscoming |
| the M3 is really nice ... now thats more my style ... |
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| Lance Crowley |
Toss in my two cents worth on Jeep's. I've owned two Grand Cherokee Limited's now, a '97 and currently have a '99. Let's start by saying that off-road there's nothing better. We've done a fair amount of off-roading in Death Valley and in the Palm Springs area and we've seen a lot of other 4X's in trouble. In fact, last winter we had to tow a Land Rover through a spot that we'd had just gone through. Had a very good time with that owner.
That said, the build quality and quality of the components of the Jeep just isn't there. Before the Jeeps I owned a Lexus LS400, tough act to follow for Jeep, the LS is simple the best quality car I've ever owned. I never took it back for unscheduled service and the dealer was so professional; my ownership experience was just great!
On my current '99 they still can't get the seat/mirror memory working after 6 tries. The HVAC is never worked correctly; I think they've had 5 shots at getting that right. The V8 performs great, but the mileage really sucks. A lot of transfer case and gear noise. The seals in the transfer case have been replaced twice. Car has less than 45,000 miles on it today. Numerous other minor issues. In 3 years I've had the car back 9 times for unscheduled maintenance.
Primary reason I purchased a Jeep was that after retiring, I needed a vehicle that I could tow "four down" behind my motor coach. Plus, I wanted something that we could to some off-roading in. Tried to purchase a LX470 twice now, but they will not warranty it for "four down" towing.
I’ve got my fingers crossed that the MDX will approach the quality of the Lexus and something approaching the off-road capabilities of the Jeep. It appears to be the best choice of all the vehicles that can be towed "four down". Checked out the Jeep OverLand just after driving a '02 MDX, simply no comparison on the road. |
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| rroof |
Thanks for your "inside" and candid Jeep information. You will certainly like the lack of nickle-n-dime things that the MDX will not do. You will not, however, be too enamored by its off-road capability. This is actually made worse by the lovely lines and lack of body protection - Just looks too good to be off road! :p
As Jeep owners (and most serious off-road enthusiasts) always say "Jeeps are not bought, they are built." Same with my off-road rig. Things always need fixing, but I like the tinkering aspect of it. I would hate to try to fix anything (even wiper blades) on my M3! |
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| mymdxiscoming |
Lance Crowley
i hope you havent all ready answered this but what made you go with the MDX vs the Overland ...? |
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| schenoy |
| My Y2K Jeep Grand Cherokee lease is up Oct 15th. Good bye and good riddance. It looks nice, but the service problems are piling up. Can't wait for my MDX ... |
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| mymdxiscoming |
schenoy:
what type of service problems did you have ...?
and did Jeep give you any hassle as far as warranting it as warranty work ...? |
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| Lance Crowley |
My Lexus really spoiled me as far as expectations on build quality. The only reason I bought both Jeeps was because I could "flat tow" them. To me it doesn't make any difference if the problems are under warranty, having to go back 9 times (just with my '99) for unscheduled maintainance is just a huge waste of my time. Bottom line is the quality just isn't there.
I drove the Overland and the MDX for about 4 hours each on the same day. Significant difference in ride and sound level with the MDX + Acura's frequency of report record is orders of magnitude better than Jeep. By the time you get through with the Overland it's 40k+, so not a big difference between it and the MDX, + the mileage on the Overland is terrible, 6 or so mpg lower than the MDX. Also the depreciation on the Jeep make you want to cry. My '99 sticker was 38.9k and it's now worth about 14k with under 45k miles. From what I can see the MDX is doing much better.
Just got the latest Consumer Report and they list the Pilot and MDX 1st and 3rd and from what I can tell it's the difference in price that puts the MDX in 3rd. The Jeep GC is rated dead last.
It sounds like I'm really bashing the Jeep when in fact I'm not. It isn't all that bad a vechicle, however, when I'm paying 40k+ for anything I have high expectations and I think the Acura is going to come closer to meeting these expectations. My first choice of all the SUV's I looked at was the LX470 and the MDX was 2nd. Can't flat tow the LX so I've got a MDX on order. Now I just need to get a build date. |
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