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Well, thanks to the great demand for the MDX, we have given up on getting one. :( With a six-month wait for a Touring/Navi with NO DEALER ADD-ONS, we have given up. I am ticked off at:
The Dealers- For finding out that there are ********(EDITED by Acura4Life) (for lack of a better or nicer way to say it that won't get this post immediately locked) out there who will pay exhorbant prices for DIO's just to get the MDX.
Acura- For doing nothing about this problem, which seems to me to be price fixing between dealers (hey let's all get together and load-em up with DIO's, a bunch of ******** (EDITED by Acura4Life) are just waiting to buy them).
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Most of all the people that were willing to put up with this crap and buy it anyway driving up the price. It started with the first person to order one and it just continues. TILL YOU STOP PUTTING UP WITH THIS CRAP, THE DEALERS WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU!! :mad: Honda did it and is continuing to do it with the S2000, Chrysler did it with the PT Cruiser (go figure), and I am afraid Subaru is going to do it with the new WRX (see imprezawrx.com for more on this sweet machine). On our big Impreza BB, we made a "pact" not to let the dealers do it to us. As such there are dealers selling them for $400 over invoice, no dio's, no six-month wait. CONSUMERS, YOU HAVE THE POWER, NOW EXERCISE IT. :D
I know, it is a supply/demand economy, but come on folks, let's help each other out. So this is most probably my last post unless we can get what we want in 3-4 weeks. Goodbye....
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Hey Sube,
Sorry you feel this way. It really is possible to buy at MSRP, but you need to work at it and be prepared to (possibly) travel.
This type of purchase/negotiation is not for everyone. It certainly doesn't make you feel good.
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I agree with Aardvarkus. I am sorry that you had a bad experience but this delear bashing stuff is just getting old. I have dealt with two dealers and had no issues whatsoever. I have never paid MSRP for a car before but I was told up front that that was the price. Ok.. I test drove it, it was worth it, so I ordered one. If you're willing to get screwed by a delaer with options, etc you are either uninformed (ie: "stupid") or have enough money to not care. Guess what? That's America..whether we like it or not. It's simple economics and the dynamics of supply and demand.
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If you had been willing to travel you could have easily bought one at MSRP....yep, that's what they go for if you want one...called supply and demand. I too don't don't like it but paid MSRP...never had I paid MSRP before, but I did this time...however, the price was eased somewhat by the dealer installing some extras for free.
I could have bought a GMC Denali for $500 over invoice...but what a gas hog and a tank. Also, the fit on the GMC was bad...too many open areas around hood and fenders.
I posted where you could buy a Mahogoney Touring for MSRP, and this MDX was available for 6 days after I posted the information. There are good dealers out there you just have to find them.
Good luck.
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Originally posted by JJTheSubeDriver
Well, thanks to the great demand for the MDX, we have given up on getting one. :( With a six-month wait for a Touring/Navi with NO DEALER ADD-ONS, we have given up. I am ticked off at:
The Dealers- For finding out that there are ******** (for lack of a better or nicer way to say it that won't get this post immediately locked) out there who will pay exhorbant prices for DIO's just to get the MDX.
Acura- For doing nothing about this problem, which seems to me to be price fixing between dealers (hey let's all get together and load-em up with DIO's, a bunch of ******** are just waiting to buy them).
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Most of all the people that were willing to put up with this crap and buy it anyway driving up the price. It started with the first person to order one and it just continues. TILL YOU STOP PUTTING UP WITH THIS CRAP, THE DEALERS WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU!! :mad: Honda did it and is continuing to do it with the S2000, Chrysler did it with the PT Cruiser (go figure), and I am afraid Subaru is going to do it with the new WRX (see imprezawrx.com for more on this sweet machine). On our big Impreza BB, we made a "pact" not to let the dealers do it to us. As such there are dealers selling them for $400 over invoice, no dio's, no six-month wait. CONSUMERS, YOU HAVE THE POWER, NOW EXERCISE IT. :D
I know, it is a supply/demand economy, but come on folks, let's help each other out. So this is most probably my last post unless we can get what we want in 3-4 weeks. Goodbye....
SubeDriver
High demand cars always create this situation. The Mazda Miata, Regal GNX, any BMW M, any MB AMG, and now you can add the Lexus SC430 have always gone for MSRP+ with long waiting lists. When Acura announced the MDX was only going to be $35K loaded with content and that they could only produce 35-40K per year I put a deposit down sight unseen knowing it was going to be tough to get one. I already have a deposit down on an MB C32 AMG for delivery in '02. I don't know the MSRP, colors, or options. But you know what, If I waited to get answers to all of those questions I wouldn't get the car. You have to plan ahead for high demand cars or you get shut out. You haven't been victimized by a conspiracy - you just can't get what you want when you want it. Some of the posters on this board have cleverly found MDX’s in other States at MSRP in less than a month. If you’re persistent and flexible maybe you can still score.
As for charging over MSRP... If you were selling your house and someone was willing to pay over market value and over the appraised value would you ask him or her to lower his or her offer? If a nice couple with kids offered less than a snide ********(EDITED by Acura4Life) you didn’t like would you take less money and sell the house to the "nicer" people? Probably not. We live in a capitalistic society and this is how the game is played. Every day there are new winners and losers.
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Originally posted by JJTheSubeDriver
Well, thanks to the great demand for the MDX, we have given up on getting one. :( With a six-month wait for a Touring/Navi with NO DEALER ADD-ONS, we have given up. I am ticked off at:
The Dealers- For finding out that there are ******** (for lack of a better or nicer way to say it that won't get this post immediately locked) out there who will pay exhorbant prices for DIO's just to get the MDX.
Acura- For doing nothing about this problem, which seems to me to be price fixing between dealers (hey let's all get together and load-em up with DIO's, a bunch of ******** are just waiting to buy them).
AND
Most of all the people that were willing to put up with this crap and buy it anyway driving up the price. It started with the first person to order one and it just continues. TILL YOU STOP PUTTING UP WITH THIS CRAP, THE DEALERS WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU!! :mad: Honda did it and is continuing to do it with the S2000, Chrysler did it with the PT Cruiser (go figure), and I am afraid Subaru is going to do it with the new WRX (see imprezawrx.com for more on this sweet machine). On our big Impreza BB, we made a "pact" not to let the dealers do it to us. As such there are dealers selling them for $400 over invoice, no dio's, no six-month wait. CONSUMERS, YOU HAVE THE POWER, NOW EXERCISE IT. :D
I know, it is a supply/demand economy, but come on folks, let's help each other out. So this is most probably my last post unless we can get what we want in 3-4 weeks. Goodbye....
SubeDriver
Although I wouldn't call these people who pay over MSRP and wait forever ******** (EDITED by Acura4Life)I would say they are plain old STUPID with a capital S. Most dealers, of course, are making the best of a good opportunity, (This is highly unethical, but trust me they will pay dearly for this - it's not going to last forever) - There are however a few dealers who are really good. After visiting nine (9) area dealers here in the Southern California area and receiving the same typically poor service, ACURA OF VALENCIA was a pleasant surprise. They told me there is still a wait, but were willing to sell me one for MSRP (Touring and Navi)- no add ons - and the wait is only 4 to 6 weeks. And the service it was so un-Acura-like, more Lexus-like. Not only was the salesman extremely courteous and pleasant, but he took the time to answer all my questions :)
However, the real culprit in all of this is Honda/Acura. Now, THEY are the really STUPID people. They are STUPIDER than those people who pay over MSRP, and they make those very same dealers look like the most intelligent people out there. One wonders what kind of people Honda/Acura has working for them !!. What kind of RETARD does it take to figure that MORE VOLUME = MORE PROFIT ???? It boggles my mind to think that this manufacturer has done it with the Odyssey, they did it with the S2000 and now they're at it again with the MDX. Who's gonna teach these morons the proper way to sell and make money???????
BTW, I'm getting mine in October or November of this year when the 2002 model comes out, the bugs are all worked out and also when I can get a decent deal on it :D |
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Hello Sube,
Hope you dont live in the bay area!!! I am paying upto $500 for gas/electricity per month,
real estate prices are soaring (thanks to the '********'(EDITED by Acura4Life), in your term, who over bid my hundreds of
thousands), public schools suck (private schools are taking full advantage), and sure enough, 2000
more for a decent car - who cares?!!! Plus, Gray Davis is paying billions of $$$ to buy power on the
spot market - guess where's that money comming from - not PGE or Davis' personal coffers...
But, then, people have amassed hoards of money in this area by selling $5 chips for $500!!! so, what
goes comes around - FREE MARKET capitalistism - let it run freely...........................;-)
Also about helping each other out - if we do that, then during the down cycles, we also have to give up
on those 'steals and $5000 off type discounts' and just payup MSRPs - that means fixed pricing - never
works and is fundamentally works against capitalism and free markets...
atleast this is not as bad as buying M5 or porshe or S class, where you either pay $30K in premiums
or wait for 6months to a year...
vicpai, atleast honda is conservative and makes sure it doesnt lose money by overproducing a car
in the first year (who knows how it's going to sell) ... and maybe, that's why they can make good cars
due to financial stability... remember along with megahits, honda has also had flops - like del sol, or the
original odyssee, SLX... hind sight is 20/20....
bluetooth
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To vicpai:
You make up a word like "stupider," then have the audacity to refer to people who paid over MSRP for their MDX stupid? Please warn me next time you're going to come up with something like that so I can set my coffee cup down. Now I've got to go get a towel and wipe off my computer screen!
For the record, I paid MSRP for my MDX and took delivery back in early November. I guess by your standards that makes me a lot less "stupider" than those who wanted an MDX so badly they were willing to pay above sticker, eh?
P.S. Just to show there are no hard feelings, here's what I'm going to do: I've got a friend who paid $2K above MSRP for his MDX, and since he's a lurker on this message board and tends to have an ugly temper when he feels personally insulted, I'll try to find a way to ensure that he doesn't read your post. |
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vicpai, bluetooth and bilmat,
It's not exactly fair to pick on someone due to an occasional misuse of the english language on a bulletin board - especially one with no spell checker (you asked for suggestions A4L?) People who pay more for something than its worth could be stupid but more likely ignorant i.e. unknowing. For example if someone paid $2,000 over MSRP before seeking the sagely counsel of this forum - that's ignorance. If someone paid $2,000 over MSRP after scrutinizing the sagely advice put forth in this forum then that's stupidity. If someone paid $2,000 over MSRP because they are chasing too few goods with too much money, then that's northern California. Now do you guys see the difference? I made 3 internet inquiries plus visited 3 dealers in person before ordering my MDX from the dealer who charged me MSRP for the MDX and, believe or not, $250 below list for the accessories. Placed order on January 24th and was notified by my dealer last week that the factory will make it on or by April 8th. So there really are a lot of MDX buyers that are neither stupid, ignorant nor live in northern California! |
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First off, I don't find the practice of charging over MSRP bad in any way. You say, please don't give me that "supply and demand" crap, but guess what, that's really what it is. You grumble about cars and MSRP because you know the cost. Let's put it this way, if you knew the cost of everything you bought including electronics, clothing, etc etc, you wouldn't have much!! You'd spend your day grumbling about why studpid people pay so much for these items. Newsflash! If people pay up, then that's how much the item is worth! Just like them NFL players. Ton's of people think, about the $5-10 million/year as being absolutely ridiculous. But hey, someone's buying team sportswear, someone's buying high priced tickets, someone's paying the big bucks for seeing the superbowl, and the team's are making the money, and so, the player get paid big time money. It's all a little cycle. That aside, someone in a previous reply said, "Acura is retarded, don't hey realize More Volume=More Profit". Well, that's not true. Take an Economics class and you will realize: Volume will generate more revenue (and often more profits). But there are several cases where higher prices might increase profit than just more volume at a lower price. So in conclusion, just because you don't get what you want, when you want it, doesn't mean the world is stupid and other stupid people are buying cars at stupid prices. It just means, they're paying the "going rate" determined by consumers all over. There's someone out there for whom an MDX priced over MSRP sounds like a good deal. Just like I would pay whatever the asking price is (plus more) for a U2 concert at the gate (tickets sold out officially in 45 mins)! And I wouldn't pay $2 for the best ticket for a Ricky Martin concert! No offense to RM fans. In economics it's called a consumers Willingness To Pay (WTP) for items. Your's is lower for an MDX than many others. Phew, long post. Back to work.....
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While I wouldn't pay over MSRP, I don't feel someone that does is "stupider", wrong, or even ignorant. There's obviously lots of posters to this board who agree because they've done it. And anyone whose had to buy a one way ticket to another state to pick-up an MSRP MDX has indirectly paid over MSRP. But somehow, each individual weighed the values of time vs. money and figured out a way to get what they wanted and I presume they are now satisfied.
As for Acura/Honda being "stupider"... A dealer can sell a car for double MSRP or half of MSRP and Acura still gets paid invoice. The more cars that dealers buy from Acura the more Acura makes. They found limited North American production capacity at the Odyssey plant and introduced the MDX in 2001 (beating the new GM triplets and the redesigned Explorer to market wasn't a bad thing either). They will have sold 40K cars this year that they wouldn't have been able to if they had waited for the new plant to be completed next year. In business, I've had to estimate initial product demand and it truly is a crap shoot. I'm sure there were factions within Acura (probably the Finance guys) that thought 40K the first year was overly optimistic in the crowded SUV marketplace. This is especially true when you look at declines in mid-size and larger SUV sales of close to 25% projected for this year.
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Response to vicpai,
Based upon your thought about why doesn't Acura make more MDXs since volume=profit then why doesn't the superbowl seat 500,000 people? They could sell the tickets. It comes back to available resources. The superbowl doesn't seat that many because no stadium has that many resources and to build one would be impractical.
As for Honda they have a business model and limited resources. They initially produce what they think they can sell without significantly increasing costs and without affecting other profitable models, such as the Odyssey. Yea they could bet the house on the MDX and slow down other production lines to make it but what if it was not very successful? Would you want to own stock in a company like that? I wouldn't.
And to JJTheSubeDriver,
MDXs at MSRP can be had if you just look. Buying a one way airplane ticket for $300 is a lot better deal than $2000 over MSRP plus the added 'value' of having it sooner than the 4 month wait.
It has been said but it is the truth, supply and demand. Some will pay more than MSRP to get the enjoyment of a having one of the first ones and having something a little unique for now. To them it is worth the extra bucks. To many others they will just wait their turn in line and others will wait for the next year or two to get one below MSRP. None of them are stupid, they just have different priorities and buying habits. It sounds like you want Acura to do price fixing. Acura sets the MSRP but it is up to the dealer to set the actual sales price. If you are going to live the good ol' USA then get use to it! Quit crying about it because Acura or the dealer owe you nothing. That is why you can go to any Acura dealer in the country and buy one. If you don't like that then go buy a Rav-4 or something a little less expensive than the market price of the MDX. |
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Originally posted by MDteX
Response to vicpai,
Based upon your thought about why doesn't Acura make more MDXs since volume=profit then why doesn't the superbowl seat 500,000 people? They could sell the tickets. It comes back to available resources. The superbowl doesn't seat that many because no stadium has that many resources and to build one would be impractical.
As for Honda they have a business model and limited resources. They initially produce what they think they can sell without significantly increasing costs and without affecting other profitable models, such as the Odyssey. Yea they could bet the house on the MDX and slow down other production lines to make it but what if it was not very successful? Would you want to own stock in a company like that? I wouldn't.
And to JJTheSubeDriver,
MDXs at MSRP can be had if you just look. Buying a one way airplane ticket for $300 is a lot better deal than $2000 over MSRP plus the added 'value' of having it sooner than the 4 month wait.
It has been said but it is the truth, supply and demand. Some will pay more than MSRP to get the enjoyment of a having one of the first ones and having something a little unique for now. To them it is worth the extra bucks. To many others they will just wait their turn in line and others will wait for the next year or two to get one below MSRP. None of them are stupid, they just have different priorities and buying habits. It sounds like you want Acura to do price fixing. Acura sets the MSRP but it is up to the dealer to set the actual sales price. If you are going to live the good ol' USA then get use to it! Quit crying about it because Acura or the dealer owe you nothing. That is why you can go to any Acura dealer in the country and buy one. If you don't like that then go buy a Rav-4 or something a little less expensive than the market price of the MDX.
MDteX,
Touche'. If you want an example of production capacity estimates gone awry, look at the Pontiac Aztec. The factory can produce 100K and they've only sold 8K so far this year. So much for those market research studies... |
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MDtex...good post.
I had no trouble buying my MDX at MSRP. First time I have ever paid MSRP in my life, but have yet to regret it.
My wife says my MDX is my new child...what a great ride.
D E Pearl Touring, with Cargo Net, Cargo Cover, Pin Stripes,
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"...If you want an example of production capacity estimates gone awry, look at the Pontiac Aztec. The factory can produce 100K and they've only sold 8K so far this year. So much for those market research studies..." [/B][/QUOTE]
The aztec is disgusting looking. Pontiac should be embarrassed. I own a Pontiac. Never again...and NEVER American again.
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[/B] The aztec is disgusting looking. Pontiac should be embarrassed. I own a Pontiac. Never again...and NEVER American again.
---~~Acura4Life~~--- [/B]
A4L,
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Two cars in my shopping list:
(1) Subaru Impreza WRX
(2) Acura MDX
Impreza WRX has just been introduced to US this year for the first time (been top 10 most wanted cars that were not available in US). 227 HP turbo engine on a 3000-lb body! 0-60 in 5.7 sec.
Acura MDX, the only reason I want this car is for its decent third row seat so that I don't have to buy a mini-van. Its AWD system is way behind what Subaru has to offer. 240HP on a 4300-lb body isn't that great either.
Subaru pre-sold more than 1,000 WRXs shortly after they introduced it in Jan. 9, 2001. The car won't be available until March. Subaru initially planned 10,000 WRX this year but late increased to 12,000 by cutting the production on Forester models due to the strong demand. Yet, you can buy this car anywhere from $150 to $800 over invoice with all options at invoice price. Again, dealers don't even have demo car yet.
Now MDX is a totally different story. I don't understand why people willing to bend over ********(not edited by A4L) by Honda/Acura and still feel great about it. I don't buy this supply and demand crap. Why you never see a supply and demand problem on other Honda cars. How do you explain Odyssey and S2000 situation persist year after year. In my book it's called price fixing or robber the fool.
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Originally posted by Foxbat
Two cars in my shopping list:
(1) Subaru Impreza WRX
(2) Acura MDX
Impreza WRX has just been introduced to US this year for the first time (been top 10 most wanted cars that were not available in US). 227 HP turbo engine on a 3000-lb body! 0-60 in 5.7 sec.
Acura MDX, the only reason I want this car is for its decent third row seat so that I don't have to buy a mini-van. Its AWD system is way behind what Subaru has to offer. 240HP on a 4300-lb body isn't that great either.
Subaru pre-sold more than 1,000 WRXs shortly after they introduced it in Jan. 9, 2001. The car won't be available until March. Subaru initially planned 10,000 WRX this year but late increased to 12,000 by cutting the production on Forester models due to the strong demand. Yet, you can buy this car anywhere from $150 to $800 over invoice with all options at invoice price. Again, dealers don't even have demo car yet.
Now MDX is a totally different story. I don't understand why people willing to bend over ********(not edited by A4L) by Honda/Acura and still feel great about it. I don't buy this supply and demand crap. Why you never see a supply and demand problem on other Honda cars. How do you explain Odyssey and S2000 situation persist year after year. In my book it's called price fixing or robber the fool.
Foxbat
Wait until there are a few WRX's on the road and its tested against other sport sedans by the car rags. Trust me, prices will go up and waiting lists will form. I got a great lease on my MDX because I deposited before the colors were even announced. I don't think Subaru dealers are more benevolent by nature then Acura/Honda dealers and they will want to maximize their profits once they see the opportunity. |
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I read, I called, I saw, I put a deposit, I waited, I bought! SIMPLE.
With all this ruckus here about bad dealers, price fixing, $2k over MSRP, super long waits, etc., etc., I'm feelin real lucky about my MDX!
The steps I took to buy my MDX.
1) I read and researched all the magazines, reports, etc.
2) I used the Costco car buying directory, and called the "authorized" dealer-salesperson down the street from my work.
3) I went to the dealer with my wife to see one in person, loved it.
4) I put a $500 (refundable at any time) deposit for a Silver/Touring/Navi.
5) I was told 3-4 months, no problem as we were in no hurry.
Wife and I saw a Silver one at the mall 4 weeks later, not overly impressed (no offense to anyone who owns a Silver one, it's a great color too), changed our color to Black on Black. 2 weeks later (for a total wait of only 6 weeks), our baby had arrived.
6) Paid MSRP. And, added a couple of things at dealer cost (wheel locks, mudguards, Burlwood shiftknob) and two at the official Acura website price (Tow and Tail-Deflector including installation). (Peope who've said they had some things "thrown-in" are even luckier.)
Dealer and service department have been first rate.
>5k miles, drivin and smilin! :)
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Originally posted by BarryH
[Wait until there are a few WRX's on the road and its tested against other sport sedans by the car rags. Trust me, prices will go up and waiting lists will form. I got a great lease on my MDX because I deposited before the colors were even announced. I don't think Subaru dealers are more benevolent by nature then Acura/Honda dealers and they will want to maximize their profits once they see the opportunity. [/B]
All dealers are the same. It's the consumer that makes the difference.
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Although Sube is no longer reading with us, I have this to say, "You're whining over a luxury item!" No one NEEDS an Acura MDX, we just WANT an Acura MDX. If you do not feel the price or wait is warranted for this luxury item, than don't bother. Go buy an Explorer!
Do you walk into Tiffany's and kvetch at how expensive those necklaces are? Do you go into Brooks Brothers and scream at the price of those ties? Do you go to Mercedes dealers and rage at those machines? I would think you don't go there unless you are willing to pay more than you would at Kay, Walmart or Ford. So, does it stink that we have to wait and pay a little more? Sure! Will it be worth it? I think so as there isn't a vehicle out there currently that satisfies my fancy as the MDX. I don't NEED an MDX, I WANT one. |
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Originally posted by jfp252
Although Sube is no longer reading with us, I have this to say, "You're whining over a luxury item!" No one NEEDS an Acura MDX, we just WANT an Acura MDX. If you do not feel the price or wait is warranted for this luxury item, than don't bother. Go buy an Explorer!
Do you walk into Tiffany's and kvetch at how expensive those necklaces are? Do you go into Brooks Brothers and scream at the price of those ties? Do you go to Mercedes dealers and rage at those machines? I would think you don't go there unless you are willing to pay more than you would at Kay, Walmart or Ford. So, does it stink that we have to wait and pay a little more? Sure! Will it be worth it? I think so as there isn't a vehicle out there currently that satisfies my fancy as the MDX. I don't NEED an MDX, I WANT one.
If jfp252 represents majority of you MDX owners, I can understand how Honda/Acura can keep ***** you guys. Nobody here is complaining about one can or can not afford one. It is about how you get ripped off by Honda/Acura. Get it?!
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To think that JJTheSubeDriver, dropped this flaming thread and left.
Probably didn't even read ONE response here.
He accomplished what he wanted....flame...to get the Forum & it's members all upset and start posting like crazy...arguing back and forth.
Not worth it.
Move on.
Love my MDX.
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Originally posted by jfp252
Although Sube is no longer reading with us, I have this to say, "You're whining over a luxury item!" No one NEEDS an Acura MDX, we just WANT an Acura MDX. If you do not feel the price or wait is warranted for this luxury item, than don't bother. Go buy an Explorer!
Do you walk into Tiffany's and kvetch at how expensive those necklaces are? Do you go into Brooks Brothers and scream at the price of those ties? Do you go to Mercedes dealers and rage at those machines? I would think you don't go there unless you are willing to pay more than you would at Kay, Walmart or Ford. So, does it stink that we have to wait and pay a little more? Sure! Will it be worth it? I think so as there isn't a vehicle out there currently that satisfies my fancy as the MDX. I don't NEED an MDX, I WANT one.
If jfp252 represents majority of you MDX owners, I can understand how Honda/Acura can keep ***** you guys. Nobody here is complaining about one can or can not afford one. It is about how you get ripped off by Honda/Acura. Get it?!
Foxbat
Here's one for you Subaru loyalists... If Subaru is so boy scout ethical about pricing why is their new 6 cylinder engine only offered in their two highest priced (30K+) models? Could it be that the margins are higher and that consumers will want the extra power enough to pay $8-10K more than a standard Outback to get it? All car manufacturers are publically held companies and have a duty to their shareholders to maximum profit and return. No car company is going to miss an opportunity to generate as much profit as possible. |
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My wife and I have been looking for a new SUV for about 8 months, and we just bought the MDX. We compared the price that we had to pay for the MDX to the price of other cars (trust me, we must have looked at over 10 different cars; and when I say "looked", I mean a detailed study). I do not feel cheated. Heck, if we thought the price of the MDX was too high, we would have purchased a Yukon. No one foced us to buy a MDX.
Of course, once we decided to purchase the MDX, my goal was to get the best price possible (I enjoy negotiations). Unfortunately, there was no negotiation. I understand the argument that a person can be "ripped off" if they pay a price substantially above market [I do not agree with it - people can pay whatever they want]. I still do not feel cheated because our price of MSRP [with a few free extras] is the best price available today.
Our final decision was whether we should purchase today or wait until the market cools down. We decided that the market price would probably remain MSRP for at least 6 months, and we wanted a SUV sooner than that.
So just where were we cheated? No one forced us to purchase a MDX. We decied that was the best car given our budget.
I received great service prior to the sale. I do not know what the service will be like after the sale. The MDX is the third Acura for me and my wife (collectively). The first had 140 thousand miles before it was totaled in a wreck. It needed only one minor stay in the shop the entire time. The second is at 90 thousand miles and still going strong, and it has never had any mechanical problems. |
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Originally posted by dancall
Hey Acura4life, I'm not upset or stirred, I'm actually very entertained by all the idiots who just don't understand that we are very happy with our purchase. Jealousy is a difficult thing to deal with. Now all you goofballs go away and buy a Pontiac or something. Better yet, go find a Ferrari Owners Group and tell them that they all paid too much..!
Exactly...I wasn't going to say it....but...now...
IT'S JEALOUSY !
Plain and simple.
We ALL own the best.
That was funny about Pontiac.
You know what's even funnier?
I own one!
LOL:p
Piece of crap!!!
That's why it's for sale.
I hate it.
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Originally posted by MDteX
Response to vicpai,
Based upon your thought about why doesn't Acura make more MDXs since volume=profit then why doesn't the superbowl seat 500,000 people? They could sell the tickets. It comes back to available resources. The superbowl doesn't seat that many because no stadium has that many resources and to build one would be impractical.
As for Honda they have a business model and limited resources. They initially produce what they think they can sell without significantly increasing costs and without affecting other profitable models, such as the Odyssey. Yea they could bet the house on the MDX and slow down other production lines to make it but what if it was not very successful? Would you want to own stock in a company like that? I wouldn't.
And to JJTheSubeDriver,
MDXs at MSRP can be had if you just look. Buying a one way airplane ticket for $300 is a lot better deal than $2000 over MSRP plus the added 'value' of having it sooner than the 4 month wait.
It has been said but it is the truth, supply and demand. Some will pay more than MSRP to get the enjoyment of a having one of the first ones and having something a little unique for now. To them it is worth the extra bucks. To many others they will just wait their turn in line and others will wait for the next year or two to get one below MSRP. None of them are stupid, they just have different priorities and buying habits. It sounds like you want Acura to do price fixing. Acura sets the MSRP but it is up to the dealer to set the actual sales price. If you are going to live the good ol' USA then get use to it! Quit crying about it because Acura or the dealer owe you nothing. That is why you can go to any Acura dealer in the country and buy one. If you don't like that then go buy a Rav-4 or something a little less expensive than the market price of the MDX.
MDteX,
Touche'. If you want an example of production capacity estimates gone awry, look at the Pontiac Aztec. The factory can produce 100K and they've only sold 8K so far this year. So much for those market research studies...
First of all you cannot compare a LOSER American company like GM that is losing sales on ALL of it's models year by year because of unspeakably bad quality with a High quality Honda Product. These people just need look at their own models: The Accord #1 in sales for several years and still #2 in sales today, the extremely well selling civic, the waiting lists on the Odyssey till today etc. etc. ....need I say more.....and the SUV market is the hottest - And do you think any company (Especially a long-established and successful one like Honda) brings out a vehicle with a negative attitude that it's hot new product won't sell??????There is definitely something wrong with the way the production numbers have been estimated. I'm sure Honda/Acura is biting it's nails right now as we speak and beating themselves on the head for not correctly estimating the success of the MDX and being too conservative and cautious !!! At 40K I'm not looking for exclusivity - just a great vehicle at a great price!!! |
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| All of these arguments are becoming a moot issue now as I've visited a few dealers here in Southern California and many dealers who were so adamant about either charging a premium over MSRP or requiring "mandatory options" have suddenly become agreeable to sell one for MSRP. I visited 3 dealers (Cerritos Acura, Acura of Pasadena and Weir Canyon Acura have all agreed to sell for MSRP with only a 4 week or so wait !!! So I guess the supply IS getting better. I'm sure this combined with a slowing economy will make it even better in the next few months - May even get a few hundred dollars off the MSRP ;) . What most people don't understand is that (unlike the Sube driver on this post) I'm not looking for another vehicle - I think the MDX is a great vehicle. But at the same time it's a matter of PRINCIPLE. MSRP stands for MANUFACTURER'S SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE which means that's what the MANUFACTURER thinks it's worth - anything over and you're being ripped off and that's not a nice feeling - and I don't care how badly I desire the MDX, I'm not willing to throw away my hard-earned money out the window !!!! |
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Originally posted by BarryH
Here's one for you Subaru loyalists... If Subaru is so boy scout ethical about pricing why is their new 6 cylinder engine only offered in their two highest priced (30K+) models? Could it be that the margins are higher and that consumers will want the extra power enough to pay $8-10K more than a standard Outback to get it? All car manufacturers are publically held companies and have a duty to their shareholders to maximum profit and return. No car company is going to miss an opportunity to generate as much profit as possible. [/B]
Speaking of someone has no clue. The Subaru model you refer to is called H6 LL Bean and H6 VDC. The LL Bean only cost around 26k or so compare to 24k or so 4-cylinder limited version. The VDC can be bought it at aroung 29k+. The VDC model has the new 212hp H-6 engine, advanced traction control system, superb sound system, new advanced VTD AWD system no other subarus get. All these well worth the extra 5k. The VTD AWD has 45/55 rear-biased torque split for enhanced performence and constantly adjust based on driving condition.
The MDX is primarily a FWD car until wheel slips. FWD car sucks!
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FOXBAT, NO ONE gives two *****(Edited by Acura4Life) about Subaru's on this board. A friend of mine bought one and it was the biggest cheapest piece of crap I have ever ridden in. I felt bad that anyone would pay that much money for junk. It's like comparing a Ford Escort to a Rolls Royce. Now, go away and whine somewhere else. Try http://www.I_whine_causeIcan't_afford_an_MDX.com
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Open the merlot, let it pour!
We're talking about buying cars! Have you whiners never bought a car before? Have you no concept about how good and bad car dealers do business? Do you really think this is only an Acura thing? Please, stop being so naive!
I can't help but note that the thread starter and the loudest thread whiner make no mention of owning an MDX or having a sale pending.
The dealers I have dealt with have not tried to screw me, yes they are asking MSRP, but you know what, so does Saturn but no one seems to be up in arms about the way they do business.
Yes, A4L, they are jealous! We did our homework and shopped around but they rather gnash their teeth and complain.
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Originally posted by BarryH
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Originally posted by Foxbat
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Originally posted by jfp252
If jfp252 represents majority of you MDX owners, I can understand how Honda/Acura can keep ***** you guys. Nobody here is complaining about one can or can not afford one. It is about how you get ripped off by Honda/Acura. Get it?!
Foxbat
Here's one for you Subaru loyalists... If Subaru is so boy scout ethical about pricing why is their new 6 cylinder engine only offered in their two highest priced (30K+) models? Could it be that the margins are higher and that consumers will want the extra power enough to pay $8-10K more than a standard Outback to get it? All car manufacturers are publically held companies and have a duty to their shareholders to maximum profit and return. No car company is going to miss an opportunity to generate as much profit as possible.
Actually, many car manufacturers have controlling interest owned by only one family, or a couple of people -- porcshe, BMW, Farrari, etc.) Also, the profit is being taken by the dealerships, not the car companies, and the dealerships are almost exclisively privately owned.
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Since you guys are far off topic here, just throw another bone to you. True rich people don't give a ****(Edited by Acura4Life) at Acuras. Acuras are for those wannabes! Besides, MDX is just a mini-van disguised as SUV.
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Originally posted by Foxbat
Speaking of someone has no clue. The Subaru model you refer to is called H6 LL Bean and H6 VDC. The LL Bean only cost around 26k or so compare to 24k or so 4-cylinder limited version. The VDC can be bought it at aroung 29k+. The VDC model has the new 212hp H-6 engine, advanced traction control system, superb sound system, new advanced VTD AWD system no other subarus get. All these well worth the extra 5k. The VTD AWD has 45/55 rear-biased torque split for enhanced performence and constantly adjust based on driving condition.
Hey Foxbat, don't you think the Mr. Bean version is better? :D |
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Originally posted by Foxbat
Since you guys are far off topic here, just throw another bone to you. True rich people don't give a **** at Acuras. Acuras are for those wannabes! Besides, MDX is just a mini-van disguised as SUV.
Foxbat
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Foxbat has now confused "intelligent" with "rich"...I do feel sorry for people who are not only "poor" but "stupid" too. Ok, this flamin' is getting us no where, I'm going back to threads where there aren't so many MDX "wannabies..".
I'd be pissed if I bought one of those Pregnant Roler Skates, too...err... I mean ML whatevers..:D |
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Just so everyone is not mislead by Foxbat's comments- the MDX is in four-wheel drive mode when accelerating, but power shifts to the front wheels when traveling at a constant speed. Look at some of the published reviews, and you'll see the MDX system works very well compared to other luxury suvs.
It is probably fair to say the MDX is a hybrid of an off-road vehicle and a minivan, just as a Subaru is a cross between an off-road vehicle and a station wagon. Truck based SUV's are losing popularity fast because for the most part no one uses a SUV off-road. A vehicle designed for good off-road performance usually has unpleasant on-road characteristics, but each buyer has to make up his or her own mind as to the ideal point of compromise based on personal needs.
My apologies for injecting serious comments in an otherwise amusing and outrageous thread. To add something more in character, I tried to interest my wife in an Outback, but she thinks the brand name "Subaru" so goofy she wouldn't own one even if they were giving them away. |
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this reminds me a movie where a guy throws a half eaten apple without looking, which
hits a by-stander, who happens to be a rough guy - this starts a full-fledged riot! The
guy who starts this (the one who throws the apple) has no clue about this and is out
of that area! where's JJsube... the apple thrower, bring him back and make him respond
to this riot else we should all make him drive GM cars for the rest of his life...
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Like I said before, JJthesubedriver accomplished what he wanted A FLAME - and did not read a single post here.
MOVE ON !
And must I say PLEASE WATCH THE LANGUAGE !
Thank you in advance.
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| Not to mention that Subaru H6 VDC owners will probably take it in the shorts on resale value. Limited-production, dressed-up, more expensive variants of a commodity vehicle rarely do well. |
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Ok, I have to jump in on this one. I drive cars for a living. More precisely, I test (abuse) vehicles for a living. I also participate in a number of different kinds of amateur and semi-pro motorsports, including rally.
The Acura MDX is a very nice minivan/SUV hybrid. It is a city cruiser with an upscale "SUV" look.
There is no way that the MDX (which I have driven several times) could in any way compete with any of the H6 Legacy or 2.5L Impreza Subarus in any performance category. In fact, the only thing that makes the MDX "nicer" than a Subaru is the comfy leather seats.
Give me a Subaru WRX or an H6 Legacy and I will beat an MDX driven by anyone, anywhere, over any kind of surface. I don't care if you're Michael Schumacher, the MDX is not a performance vehicle.
I have driven a Subaru at 80+ mph sideways on a narrow gravel road and felt completely comfortable. I would be in a grave or a coma if I tried it in an MDX.
Don't get me wrong, I think Acura (Honda) makes some great cars. My wife drives a 3.2TL and it has been a wonderful car.
Don't bash what you don't understand. Modern Subarus are not economy cars. Certainly some of the engines for the US market have been a little down on power compared to their firebreathing European and Japanese counterparts, but at the simplest level, Subarus are purpose built rally vehicles adapted for street use. They have the most advanced drivetrain of any vehicle under $60K, fully independent suspension with true Limited Slip Differential based autobiasing AWD. Think about a Porsche 911 Carrera 4, which is AWD with a boxer engine. Now turn the drivetrain around, and put the engine in the front. You now have a Subaru. The introduction of the WRX (turbo) into the US market this year will finally reveal the truth of this to the woefully uninformed American public.
Evo Magazine (UK) top 100 performance cars of the century:
1. McLaren F1
2. Porsche 911 Turbo
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5. Lamborghini Diablo
6. Subaru Impreza Turbo
7. Lotus Esprit V8
... plus many more, the Ferrari F550 was way down on the list.
Hmm, somehow I don't think the MDX would ever be in that list. Nor will it ever be on a list of the most luxurious vehicles, or the best offroad. Maybe best AWD minivan?
I'm not trying to insult all of you, the MDX is a great vehicle in its own right, but don't think it's something that it's not, please.
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Originally posted by BarryH
Here's one for you Subaru loyalists... If Subaru is so boy scout ethical about pricing why is their new 6 cylinder engine only offered in their two highest priced (30K+) models? Could it be that the margins are higher and that consumers will want the extra power enough to pay $8-10K more than a standard Outback to get it? All car manufacturers are publically held companies and have a duty to their shareholders to maximum profit and return. No car company is going to miss an opportunity to generate as much profit as possible.
Speaking of someone has no clue. The Subaru model you refer to is called H6 LL Bean and H6 VDC. The LL Bean only cost around 26k or so compare to 24k or so 4-cylinder limited version. The VDC can be bought it at aroung 29k+. The VDC model has the new 212hp H-6 engine, advanced traction control system, superb sound system, new advanced VTD AWD system no other subarus get. All these well worth the extra 5k. The VTD AWD has 45/55 rear-biased torque split for enhanced performence and constantly adjust based on driving condition.
The MDX is primarily a FWD car until wheel slips. FWD car sucks!
Foxbat [/B]
Foxbat,
You missed the point entirely... The Outback wagon starts at $22,895. The least expensive 6 cylinder Outback is $29,495. Someone who just wanted a base Outback with the 6 cylinder engine has to pay $6,680 more because the 6 cylinder engine is not offered as a stand alone option. And why? Because enough people will be willing to spend the extra money for an L.L. Bean or VDC to get the bigger engine. And guess what? Subaru makes a lot more money on the L.L. Bean and the VDC. Get it now? |
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Guys,
You are both wrong about the Subaru. If you compare a comparably equipped Subaru Outback wagon with and without the H6 the difference is about $2,400. An insignificant price differential for what has been the best 6 cylinder engine I have every driven. The same H6 engine is on my 1994 SVX (although mine is 230 HP) and it is almost vibrationless. By the way shouldn't we be having this discussion on a Subaru board? |
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I owned an Outback Limited.
I now own an MDX
The MDX is a far superior vehicle.
I think that I speak from knowledge.
As A4Life mentioned. Let's get off of this one, I understand both vehicles quite well, and let me say, Subaru made some big mistakes w/the Outback, beginning first off w/the poor tires it has placed on it, leading to the poor tranny, and the poor performance even in the H6, just read car and driver, the MDX still outperforms it. I cannot wait to pull up to a granny driving her H6 and leaving her in my VTEC wake.
Let's compare apples to apples. The Subaru has barely any extra room, it is barely a 5 passenger car w/limited rear space. |
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Acura4Life....FIREMAN...is putting the fire out on this thread.
PLEASE MOVE ON !
:D
KA (<----That's a King and an Ace = BlackJack!)
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I am getting a huge kick out of this thread and how it has transmuted and kept going.
I think I'll title my next thread I'M NEVER GOING TO POST TO THIS BOARD just to see what happens. |
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I walked into the dealer 3 months ago. Bought the only one on the lot on the spot. Silver with Black leather, Moon Roof, no navi.
Added running boards, Magnaflow dual stainless pipe dual exhaust with Chrome dual outlet Magnaflow mufflers, flairs, nose cone, no rack, rear spoiler, 6 disc changer 8X17 monsoon wheels with 255X55X17 toyo proxes tires. Handles like a dream, outperforms any other SUV except the AMG or 4.4 BMW, and does it get looks. No other SUV cruises 80 on the hwy at 21 MPG as smoothly as a MDX . Love it. Traded off a Loaded Yukon to get it.
GM, Ford, Toyota get a clue.
By the way your roof rack and deflectors are making the wind noise. especially the hood deflectors.
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Same thing here, they were going to "let" me have it for MSRP and only wait 4 months.... gee, thanks. We do the deal over the phone, I go down to sign it, WRONG! Added options, delivery time, etc. I don't like being jacked around, I walked. Considering this is the 4th Acura dealer in the area that I begged for the priv. to buy from, I've since decided to wait it out.
So I did a 2 year lease on something else. (JGCL). Funny; they actually treated me like a customer. Will I miss the snob appeal? Wasn't after it in the first place.
Next year when the Acura dealers have over-stocked big time and are eating their greed with a shovel, you'll pick one up cheap.
Are people stupid for paying over MSRP? Not really, it seems to be worth it to them to drive the "new thing". How will they feel when you pick one up for thousands less and there are MDX all over the place? I can't tell ya. And yes, parking lots will be full of them, the price point is right.
Resale value? Pretty big assumptions for a new model selling over or at MSRP. We'll see.
Seems that a lot of MDX owner's are first time 4x4/awd owners, overly impressed with a system that is VERY limited, but serves it's purpose well (rain, snow). But macho 4x4. Not even close. Pretty soon you'll see them with brush guards, LOL.
Why the negitivity? It's good for it's purpose, but PAAALLEEEASE, don't say MDX and M Class in the same sentance. This is a Honda, which is a good thing. I've got Honda motorcycles and even a Honda lawnmower, but those chasing the snob appeal should give it up, Aucra will never have the "look at me" appeal of the big boys.
ANYONE that pays too much for a depreciating item (ie; cars) is somewhat foolish from a financial point of view, no denying that. Those that talk about resale? Next year when the MDX sells just over dealer invoice, your resale goes down the toliet. Please don't kid yourself. And if you bought into dealer installed options, you lose even more. A base MDX will resell for as much as one with "plastic stick on parts".
That being said, enjoy your great car, but the justifications and comparisons are pretty silly. It's an emotional buy. If it's worth it to you, you did well.
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Same thing here, they were going to "let" me have it for MSRP and only wait 4 months.... gee, thanks. We do the deal over the phone, I go down to sign it, WRONG! Added options, delivery time, etc. I don't like being jacked around, I walked. Considering this is the 4th Acura dealer in the area that I begged for the priv. to buy from, I've since decided to wait it out.
So I did a 2 year lease on something else. (JGCL). Funny; they actually treated me like a customer. Will I miss the snob appeal? Wasn't after it in the first place.
Next year when the Acura dealers have over-stocked big time and are eating their greed with a shovel, you'll pick one up cheap.
Are people stupid for paying over MSRP? Not really, it seems to be worth it to them to drive the "new thing". How will they feel when you pick one up for thousands less and there are MDX all over the place? I can't tell ya. And yes, parking lots will be full of them, the price point is right.
Resale value? Pretty big assumptions for a new model selling over or at MSRP. We'll see.
Seems that a lot of MDX owner's are first time 4x4/awd owners, overly impressed with a system that is VERY limited, but serves it's purpose well (rain, snow). But macho 4x4. Not even close. Pretty soon you'll see them with brush guards, LOL.
Why the negitivity? It's good for it's purpose, but PAAALLEEEASE, don't say MDX and M Class in the same sentance. This is a Honda, which is a good thing. I've got Honda motorcycles and even a Honda lawnmower, but those chasing the snob appeal should give it up, Aucra will never have the "look at me" appeal of the big boys.
ANYONE that pays too much for a depreciating item (ie; cars) is somewhat foolish from a financial point of view, no denying that. Those that talk about resale? Next year when the MDX sells just over dealer invoice, your resale goes down the toliet. Please don't kid yourself. And if you bought into dealer installed options, you lose even more. A base MDX will resell for as much as one with "plastic stick on parts".
That being said, enjoy your great car, but the justifications and comparisons are pretty silly. It's an emotional buy. If it's worth it to you, you did well.
No denying the MDX is a great vehicle. But I'm with you 100% when it comes to sound reasoning and good financial choices. How right you are!!! - An automobile is a depriciating asset - and yes I'm waiting for the MDX - probably buy it in the next 10 months or so as I'm not in a hurry to buy a vehicle and like you said I'll probably get it for a lot less than MSRP at which point it would be a GOOD FINANCIAL DECISION and not an EMOTIONAL DECISION. Additionally the slowing economy may also aid in dropping the price. Don't get me wrong. I do really desire the MDX, but I pride myself more that I have brains to not just go about paying anything and everything, get ripped off and be treated like sh** |
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...but PAAALLEEEASE, don't say MDX and M Class in the same sentance. This is a Honda, which is a good thing. I've got Honda motorcycles and even a Honda lawnmower, but those chasing the snob appeal should give it up, Aucra will never have the "look at me" appeal of the big boys.
I would NEVER put the two in the same sentence. MDX owners are looking for value and utility not snobbery. That is something that ignorant people look for. SO please do not associate MDX owners ever again with the likes of someone who can not afford a "real" Mercedes and instead is looking for "snob" appeal. That sickens my stomach. |
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For folks who don't live in areas that have this nasty price-gouging problem on MDX, you probably don't underatand the frustration. I feel for the guy who feels so ******* angry, and I don't need to be lectured about supply and demand.
You see, just like prostitution, that itself probably isn't that bad a deal. Some people are willing to do the job and some willing to pay. The problem is what comes along with prostitution. Drugs, STD, ...
Some of the dealers in the bay area not only gouge, they sell cars under folks who have been on waiting list for months just because someone walks into the floor and pays up $$$. And those poor souls on the waiting list end up having to stand in the Lucky Supermarket parking lot and peek into the windows of an MDX just to satisfy the urge, while looking around to make sure no one will see how laughable a grown-up could be.
And so you switch dealership and waiting list. Soon this new dealership, who originally promised MSRP, will join the gouging war. So you will switch again...
Don't tell my friends that I was the MDX peeping tom...
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X5 this, ML that, then the expensive Toyota.... GM, Ford and all the others are never in MDX'ers comparos. Why is that? There really are other good SUV's out there. Acura's market position is intended to match that of the up-scale brands, they just haven't pulled it off and probably never will.
Value? Not at MSRP.
Utility? Get a awd mini van. THAT is utility in MDX terms. Moving people with better than front wheel drive. "SUV" is getting so blurred with these almost minvan almost station wagon sedans rolling around with brushguards never seeing a dirt road. Acura did a great job giving those who NEED a mini van (but refuse to drive one) an alterenative.
And yes, like I said in another post, I'll have one. But, I won't be put on a list, and pay thru the nose for the luxury of having the first one on the block. I can't believe people are actually excited about "getting to pay MSRP".
With that, I'll get out of your hair. Enjoy your great ride. Saw a black one yesterday coming towards me, looked very good. Maybe a little more detail for the side view would be nice, but it's sweet. |
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X5 this, ML that, then the expensive Toyota.... GM, Ford and all the others are never in MDX'ers comparos. Why is that? There really are other good SUV's out there. Acura's market position is intended to match that of the up-scale brands, they just haven't pulled it off and probably never will.
Value? Not at MSRP.
Utility? Get a awd mini van. THAT is utility in MDX terms. Moving people with better than front wheel drive. "SUV" is getting so blurred with these almost minvan almost station wagon sedans rolling around with brushguards never seeing a dirt road. Acura did a great job giving those who NEED a mini van (but refuse to drive one) an alterenative.
And yes, like I said in another post, I'll have one. But, I won't be put on a list, and pay thru the nose for the luxury of having the first one on the block. I can't believe people are actually excited about "getting to pay MSRP".
With that, I'll get out of your hair. Enjoy your great ride. Saw a black one yesterday coming towards me, looked very good. Maybe a little more detail for the side view would be nice, but it's sweet.
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I think that you and I agree about quite a few things, you don't want to have to pay through the nose for the privledge of being "first on your block", probably don't need a new vehicle right NOW, like the size and features of the MDX, et cetera.
What I don't understand is the minivan/SUV/4X4 comparisions/referneces.
A good friend of mine comes from a family of 4x4 racers, they are part of a factory sponsored Toyota racing "corporation" and do everything from Baja, t | | | |
