| manus1980 |
I'm slightly bothered that the 03 MDX will have an extra 20hp & 50lb of torque then the 01 MDX. :3: It also bothers me that the extra perfomance has no effect on the fuel economy. I'm trying to make myself believe it's not that big a deal. I still haven't seen any concrete performance times for the 03 but not sure if I do want to know.
What I do know is that the 01 is about 100lbs lighter then an equally equiped 03, which help me coupe with the performance change a little. Also the 03 will be getting a better breathing intake. I already have a better breathing intake, so that closes the gap some more. My local Acura dealer tells me if they install a mod themselves they will warrant the mod. Thus if Johnny Bravo gets a favorable dyno, I'll consider saving up $ for my Pulley fund as well. Then and only then I'll get over my gripe. Does the thought of a 03 pulling up along side you and smoking you bother other members at all? :( |
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| xcel |
Hi Manus1980:
___Have you ever had your foot into the floor for a 0 – 60 MPH blast? Did you really need too? Have you ever run your X with your foot into the floor through the Quarter mile traps? If you have, I can see where the extra performance might help but an X wasn’t really built for this as I am sure you know. Remember the longevity of your vehicle may be at stake here … The Torque increase is just 5 Ft.-lbs (not 50) at a much higher RPM (if I remember correctly?) and there is no way this side of a Dyno that you will ever be able to feel that small a difference.
___Not that this matters to most including yourself but I would gladly give up/accept a 60 HP decrease for another 4 to 5 more MPG City/Hwy if it were at all possible. In your case, I believe someone installed a lighter pulley set that was supposedly good for 20 HP + here in the forums. I hope you can find whatever amount of HP you are looking for by the aftermarket hop up guru’s just starting to look at the X as a profitable entity. I believe it will be a long wait given the X purchasers demographics however …
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| wmquan |
Not at all. The MDX is plenty fast enough.
If it had bothered me, I'd be driving around in something like a Subaru WRX wagon. |
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| manus1980 |
| The WRX isn't an SUV or an MDX so I don't care how fast it is compared to the X. The whole point is the 03 owners have the same suv as us just 20+hp. I frequently do 0-60 accelerations when there is a safe opportunity to do so. The best rush is pulling up to another suv at a light and leaving them in the dust. |
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| xcel |
Hi Manus1980:
___I hope you and I can meet in our respective X’s at a light for a 0 – 60 blast sometime. I will gladly let you leave me and our 03 X in the dust each and every time if that helps ;)
___Make sure you look up the pulley mod? that was posted here a few weeks ago. It looked like an easy addition and may just give you that 20 + HP edge.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| wmquan |
quote:
Originally posted by manus1980
The WRX isn't an SUV or an MDX so I don't care how fast it is compared to the X. The whole point is the 03 owners have the same suv as us just 20+hp. I frequently do 0-60 accelerations when there is a safe opportunity to do so. The best rush is pulling up to another suv at a light and leaving them in the dust.
Yeah, but I don't care about an '03 MDX dusting me off either, that was my point. And I doubt if it'd blow the doors off of one, given just 20 hp, a small increase in torque, and an alleged 0.4 seconds faster to 60. I don't get a "rush" racing another SUV at a light. I daresay that it wouldn't even be close to "the best rush." I doubt if most of the owners here would find it either.
If it bothers you that much, trade in for a 2003, and try your exhaust, Type-R radiator cap, Indiglo pedals, and pulley mods on it. If they actually do anything, you'd be that much faster. At least until the 3.8 liter engine drops.
Where'd you get the extra 50 lb feet of torque from? |
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| DaleB |
quote:
Originally posted by manus1980
The WRX isn't an SUV or an MDX so I don't care how fast it is compared to the X. The whole point is the 03 owners have the same suv as us just 20+hp. I frequently do 0-60 accelerations when there is a safe opportunity to do so. The best rush is pulling up to another suv at a light and leaving them in the dust.
I mean really, what's the point of it all?
They just under-estimated your vehicle.
I think most of us learned a long time ago there is always someone faster, you just haven't met him yet. |
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| jonnygoodboy |
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Originally posted by xcel
Hi Manus1980:
___I hope you and I can meet in our respective X’s at a light for a 0 – 60 blast sometime. I will gladly let you leave me and our 03 X in the dust each and every time if that helps ;)
:19:
Edit: It's like buying electronics or sports equipment: if you can't stand to see the next model with better "stuff" while the one you bought is still "new", you shouldn't buy in the first place. Only with cars, at least the horizon is about a year, whereas with computers and such the the thing is obsolete by the time it's offered for sale. |
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| srpbep |
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manus1980 wrote:
... What I do know is that the 01 is about 100lbs lighter then an equally equiped 03, which help me cope with the performance change a little. Also the 03 will be getting ...
Well, looks like some [all?] of the 03 extra weight came from:
** "Sound-insulation material was added along the entire lenght of the floor and in other areas where reductions could be achieved".
** "For 2003, the engineers toughened the MDX's body by reinforcing the wheel housings and rear floor tailgate opening. They also added a rear subframe stay, and strengthened the rear panel to reduce vibration on rough roads. Overall body rigidity has been increased by a remarkable 35 percent."
I would handle the 100 extra pounds to achieve the benefits. We are more interested in a quiet ride than owning a rocket. |
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| renov8r |
FIRST -- it is an SUV, not a dragster, sports car or even a muscle car. I think even folks who plunk down the LARGE cash for a X5 4.6 must kick themselves pretty hard when get their doors blown off by something that costs a third of what they spent. Reality -- big heavy vehicles will always take a back seat to light vehicles! If you want to beat other MDXs at stop lights, fully half of 'em are driven by somebody with kids so I guess you get a rush by 'beating' moms, dads & grandparents... TO get the edge on 95% of the others, turn off your A/C. I you are still concerned about that small percentage of nut cases out there, I might suggest you spend your money here. It makes about as much sense as stoplight racing...
SECOND -- THERE IS NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT ANY PULLEY IS GOING TO FREE UP 20 HP ON ANY NON-EARTH MOVING/OCEAN LINER/LOCOMOTIVE ENGINE!!!! Folks, I have a messed around with high performance motors for 20 years. If you could get ANYWHERE near that kind of increase there just would not be a market for nitrous oxide, reprogrammed computers/chips, oversized injectors, aftermarket superchargers/turbochargers, ported cylinder heads, oversized valves, custom camshafts, lightweight pistons, et cetera! If ANYBODY wants to do a real BEFORE & AFTER dyno challenge I will organize it and even foot the bill if a) you 'win' and b) I get to witness the dyno runs! DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE that HONDA, one of the most respected Automotive ENGINEERING firms would produce vehicles that GAVE AWAY nearly 10% of their output to 'accessories'. After all, Mr. B is NOT claiming he got the extra Hp by ELIMINATING the P/S pump, alternator or A/C compressor, only by slowing 'em down. Here's a little test you can do: flip a multi-speed bicycle upside down. Shift if so that the chain ring and sprocket are in the 'highest' speed. Turn the pedals a few times. Then shift so that it is the lowest speed. Turn the pedals again. Somewhat easier to push... This is essentially what "changing the pulleys" accomplishes on a normally aspirated engine. (one belt driven supercharging the result is to increase boost -- TOTALLY different) YOU REALLY THINK it did not occur to HONDA ENGINEERS to trade a bit of reduced speed for a bit less parasitic loss? Seems AWFULLY hard to believe, if they could get more power to drive wheels, WITHOUT harming longevity, they would have done it... |
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| jonnygoodboy |
| renov8or, dude, the link in the above post is crude and uncalled for. You might think about using the edit button... |
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| GABulldawg |
A few tidbits I've picked up in life:
1. Someone will always have more money\better things than you.
2. Someone will always be better looking than you.
3. There is nothing you can do about it.
4. Worrying doesn't accomplish anything (see #3)
The MDX is a nice car whether its a 2002 or a 2003. That extra 20 HP won't mean anything to you when something truly important happens in your life (good or Bad) |
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| mdxxxx |
quote:
Originally posted by GABulldawg
A few tidbits I've picked up in life:
1. Someone will always have more money\better things than you.
2. Someone will always be better looking than you.
3. There is nothing you can do about it.
4. Worrying doesn't accomplish anything (see #3)
The MDX is a nice car whether its a 2002 or a 2003. That extra 20 HP won't mean anything to you when something truly important happens in your life (good or Bad)
Wise words...
renov8r,
Are you ok bruh? Having a bad day? Take a deep breath and relax...
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| socalJD |
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Originally posted by renov8r
. . . are still concerned about that small percentage of nut cases out there, I might suggest you spend your money here. It makes about as much sense as stoplight racing . . .
:19: Ren, you spend WAY too much time on the net . . . better not let the Mrs. catch you on those sites - wait a minute, is that why she is called 'Renov8ress' as opposed to 'Dominatrix' . . . :2: |
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| hockeyplayer |
| ohhhh man!!!:eek: I got a good laugh out of that one. Wonder if the program aboveforementioned link can produce 20 extra horsepower?:2: |
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| vicpai |
quote:
Originally posted by manus1980
I'm slightly bothered that the 03 MDX will have an extra 20hp & 50lb of torque then the 01 MDX. :3: It also bothers me that the extra perfomance has no effect on the fuel economy. I'm trying to make myself believe it's not that big a deal. I still haven't seen any concrete performance times for the 03 but not sure if I do want to know.
What I do know is that the 01 is about 100lbs lighter then an equally equiped 03, which help me coupe with the performance change a little. Also the 03 will be getting a better breathing intake. I already have a better breathing intake, so that closes the gap some more. My local Acura dealer tells me if they install a mod themselves they will warrant the mod. Thus if Johnny Bravo gets a favorable dyno, I'll consider saving up $ for my Pulley fund as well. Then and only then I'll get over my gripe. Does the thought of a 03 pulling up along side you and smoking you bother other members at all? :(
........more like "LIVID" :D .........and I perfectly understand your point of view. As a driving enthusiast, myself, I found the 2001/2002 MDX performance just "slightly above average" in overall terms (of course, compared with other SUVs it's among the top performers)..........In an ideal world you would be able to afford 2 or 3 automobiles to suit different purposes (like a Sports car for fun, an SUV for utility etc.)......but in reality for most of us, it comes down to making a compromise......and the 2003 model makes that compromise a really great one!! :2: .......However, in my case, it's not like I want to be in competition with other people at stoplights, but rather an adrenaline rush for my own pleasure! |
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| tommyleon |
Unfortunately the 20HP will probably not be felt.Torque is what we feel when we gas it and with an increase of only 5 I doubt anyone will feel the difference except for Pilot owners that think 20 more HP is big.
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| xyzzy |
Bothered that newer products having improved performance from what you bought last year? If so, I hope you never buy your own personal computer! :D
Oh and renov8r, in reference to your link. Do you think they sell lo-jack with that? |
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| MoDX |
| Myself, I'm quite satisfied with the performance of the 01 X. If I was concerned about acceleration off the line, I would've bought a Grand Cherokee for much less than the price of the X. However, I didnt want to spend time picking up pieces of my vehicle as it fell apart. Having to backtrack to pickup parts sort of defeats the quick acceleration.;) |
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| BaldEagle |
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Originally posted by xyzzy
Bothered that newer products having improved performance from what you bought last year? If so, I hope you never buy your own personal computer!
What? You mean newer computers perform better than my Gateway P-133 with windows 95?
(Wife has a new computer, I use the old one) |
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| xyzzy |
quote:
Originally posted by BaldEagle
What? You mean newer computers perform better than my Gateway P-133 with windows 95?
(Wife has a new computer, I use the old one)
Fortunately they continue to bloat the operating system code enough to offset the hardware speed gain.
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| mdxxxx |
quote:
Originally posted by xyzzy
Fortunately they continue to bloat the operating system code enough to offset the hardware speed gain.
Chris
or Unfortunately...:mad: |
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| srpbep |
| That is not bloat ... instead of manufacturing to meet demand, they simply "manufacture demand" |
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| twosomeca |
quote:
Originally posted by manus1980
The WRX isn't an SUV or an MDX so I don't care how fast it is compared to the X. The whole point is the 03 owners have the same suv as us just 20+hp. I frequently do 0-60 accelerations when there is a safe opportunity to do so. The best rush is pulling up to another suv at a light and leaving them in the dust.
You are cracking me up, coullion. If you live in New Orleans, then you should know what that means. I'd love to see you smoke another SUV because it would give me a nice laugh and then I'd probably just smoke you for the hell of it! :4: :rolleyes:
Hey, if you don't want to get "screwed" on improved performance, then you should lease so you can get a new vehicle every 3-4 years. Cheers! |
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| manus1980 |
quote:
Originally posted by xyzzy
Bothered that newer products having improved performance from what you bought last year? If so, I hope you never buy your own personal computer! :D
Oh and renov8r, in reference to your link. Do you think they sell lo-jack with that?
An automobile is not a computer. Well, at least for a couple more years. The Shelby Cobra is over 25 years old and that is still one of the fastest production automobiles ever. The GMC Typhoon is over 10 years old and is still one of the fastest production SUVs.
By the way I own a 5 year old Dell that I have upgraded several times that can give any p4 decent competition. I am going to keep using it until the hard drive dies. |
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| mdxer46 |
My '03 X is really great to drive fast. Handles better than my '01 TL IMO, and certainly has more low end torque and plain ol get-up-and-go. Pretty amazing for a vehicle that weighs so much.
I doubt that there is any really significant difference in performance across the past few model years. Maybe a bit more refinement in handling due to the stability system, but probably not enough to argue about. |
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| EXCALIBUR |
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Originally posted by BaldEagle
What? You mean newer computers perform better than my Gateway P-133 with windows 95?
Note to self: Must speak with the Gateway engineers about planned obsolescence.:3: |
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