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Let me be honest:
I was out for an MDX. Why? Cause it was the new thing. I drove it, (nice) I liked it. I read about it (here and other places). I was set on buying one. Short of a dealer that tried to screw me, I'd probably have one. Nice ride!
But...
Because the dealer played with me, I decided to look around. 4-Runner? Nah, didn't like it, way too slow. Pathfinder? Nope. Explorer? Been there, know better. Bigger stuff? Nope, it's the wife's daily driver, too big.
I (ah hemmm) bought a Grand Cherokee Limited. V8 (say FAST), towing capacity (it matters, pull an 3900 lb dirtbike trailer a lot)
Maybe when the Acura has a v8 and can play in the 4x4 world, I'll be back.. until then...when you get stuck and need a hand? I'll be there to pull you out.
Yup, they gave it to me, a 37,950 car for 31,250? Don't you wish you didn't pay 9,000 for exclusivity? Okay, that was a low blow sorry! Enjoy your mini-van AWD :) |
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Oh the 99? yep, first year for a new design (sound familiar?)
Mine's an '02. Want to hook 'em up soccer mom? |
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The MDX is a great awd minivan. It's really not nice of me to act this way. I'm sorry.
You guys that worry rather it's an "acura", "bmw" or "Mercedes" crack me up. As if "acura" can be used in the same sentance with the German cars...hehehehhehe. Wannabes!
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Get back to us in a couple of years. Jeep vehicles don't get better in later model years. They start bad, and stay bad. Just wait until you try to resell the vehicle and find out how much it's depreciated.
Best of luck to you and your dirt-crawling. Seems appropriate given the intellect you're displaying. Must have burned a lot of brain cells to come up with your "witty" remark that you are patting yourself on the back for.
At least by choosing a vehicle with marginal safety, you're supporting Natural Selection. If one gets killed in an unsafe vehicle, they can't pass their defective genes to another generation. My hat's off to you, thanks for doing us a favor. |
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Thanks, Okie, for stirring the flaming pot. As much as I enjoyed it, I was beginning to grow weary of the "My second and last post to this board" thread, which was 4 pages long when I last checked. I can hardly wait to read the messages from the "mini-van AWD" owners that are sure to follow mine!
(Question for Acura4Life: Do you by any chance hire yo-yo's like Okie to start threads like this just to generate some excitement?) ;-)
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(Question for Acura4Life: Do you by any chance hire yo-yo's like Okie to start threads like this just to generate some excitement?) ;-)
I'm afraid you've just insulted Duncan, and every other brand of yo-yo out there. Please refrain from impinging the intelligence of the hard-working yo-yo's.
http://www.duncanyoyo.com/
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Okie,
Does this mean you are geographically challenged!! For the record, I owned 2 Jeep Grand Cherokees and I can safely say you will get what you paid for. My two beasts had a catalytic converter go out, a rear differential fail, and stopped stone cold dead on I-55. You may be gloating all the way to the bank, but the rest of us will be seeing a whole lot less of the inside of an Acura dealer than you will be for your Jeep dealer. Also, I don't remember Jeep Dealers offering loaners. If they did, they would have a fleet larger than the post office.
I just love it when some jamoke or should I say jamOKIE posts a thread like this. Kind of like when a termite invades the ant hill! |
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1) Poor/horrible resale value
2) horrible ride
3) a vehicle that will hold up for 3 years, and then implode
=Chrysler/Jeep
Enjoy the "Grand" Cherokee w/the V8. Did you get the 5.9 liter? If not, it still isn't that quick. |
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| My dad's a lemon law attorney in CA, and from his experience, guess which car has the preponderance of problems? (What a coincidence, same company makes both the Jeep and MB320--I guess it's more efficient to handle all the problems under 1 roof). [oops, am I starting a fire?:confused:] |
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Okay Okay!, it was all for fun, sorry. Kidding!
If not for being screwed around by the dealer, I'd be driving a MDX in another 3 months (waiting list). Probably will when I turn in this crappy Jeep in 2 years (lease).
As for the 5.9? Yup, it's fast, but the 4.7 is pretty damn strong as well. Is the Jeep as cool as the MDX? Nope. MPG is terrible. Oh well. |
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| Damn (can I say that here?) you, Okie. Just when your thread began to get interesting you dig out your fire extinguisher and bring an end to the fun and excitement. Guess all I can do now is wait for another "termite to invade an ant hill" (great analogy) . . . |
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That's rather subjective don't you think? I prefer the ride of the jeep actually. There is a lot to like about the MDX, no doubt. If they'd put a V8 in it and increase the towing capacity (an not hit you up for $1,000) it would be nearly perfect. Can you imagine a MDX with a nice Borla or other aftermarket exhaust rolling by?
Resale? What's that? I would never BUY a depreciating item. Call me silly.
3 years? Cool. I'll have the Jeep for 2, then I'll be driving a MDX for THOUSANDS less than you are :) It'll look the same, have the bugs worked-out and be newer.(low blow, sorry)
It's all so easy when you're talking about cars. It's a way to get from point A to point B right? When you let your emotions take over, you can lose WAY too much money.
That should kindle the flame. Some of you take your minvan (I mean car. no wait I mean truck, no, SAV, no, I mean SUV) pretty seriously! Seen a MPV lately? LOL. Kidding!
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I'm afraid you're not flaming us enough. There are some other folks here who won't let up. I guess we should thank you for that?
Good luck with your vehicle. If you haven't already, please post your (bad) Acura dealer rating here so you can warn others who do want an MPV, oops, MDX. |
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Okie, I have owned many SUV's over the years. And I seriously mean this in no way offensive. BUT, I have never ridden in a worse SUV than a Cherokee. I am really surprised at your selection. You may have a V8 and towing and all that stuff but the likelihood is that we'll be giving you a ride to a mechanic on a bright sunny day.
Please explain your reasoning on purchasing over much better vehicles. Even a Tahoe (gulp!) is loads better than a Cherokee. As for the $9000 off... why do you think you got that much off? Could it be that ....they're not selling?...for a reason! |
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BUT, I have never ridden in a worse SUV than a Cherokee. I am really surprised at your selection. You may have a V8 and towing and all that stuff but the likelihood is that we'll be giving you a ride to a mechanic on a bright sunny day.
Please explain your reasoning on purchasing over much better vehicles. Even a Tahoe (gulp!) is loads better than a Cherokee. As for the $9000 off... why do you think you got that much off? Could it be that ....they're not selling?...for a reason!
Worse based on what criteria? The 99 model year? No doubt about it, there were a LOT of problems. If you read the technical bulletin history, you see that these issues have been addressed.
Not selling them? It's the second best SUV seller in the states to the exploder.
They are just different vehicles aimed at different buyers. Jeep owners actually go off-road, pull trailers, etc., the Acura is aimed at luxo car buyers who want more space and explore this “SUV thing” and maintain some yuppie appeal. Just don’t take it off the boulevard, you’ll be disappointed.
When MDX owners compare their car, it's against another couple of wanna-be SUVs (Lexus and MB) and a tall 5 Series station wagon. Why is that?
It’s a great car, don’t get me wrong, I very well may end up with one, but I’ll make sure to keep the 2000 F-150 Off-Road for everything but the grocery store. As far as REAL utility goes, the Jeep is the winner. If Utility means people mover to you, you should be happy.
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Originally posted by dancall
BUT, I have never ridden in a worse SUV than a Cherokee. I am really surprised at your selection. You may have a V8 and towing and all that stuff but the likelihood is that we'll be giving you a ride to a mechanic on a bright sunny day.
Please explain your reasoning on purchasing over much better vehicles. Even a Tahoe (gulp!) is loads better than a Cherokee. As for the $9000 off... why do you think you got that much off? Could it be that ....they're not selling?...for a reason!
Worse based on what criteria? The 99 model year? No doubt about it, there were a LOT of problems. If you read the technical bulletin history, you see that these issues have been addressed.
Not selling them? It's the second best SUV seller in the states to the exploder.
They are just different vehicles aimed at different buyers. Jeep owners actually go off-road, pull trailers, etc., the Acura is aimed at luxo car buyers who want more space and explore this “SUV thing” and maintain some yuppie appeal. Just don’t take it off the boulevard, you’ll be disappointed.
When MDX owners compare their car, it's against another couple of wanna-be SUVs (Lexus and MB) and a tall 5 Series station wagon. Why is that?
It’s a great car, don’t get me wrong, I very well may end up with one, but I’ll make sure to keep the 2000 F-150 Off-Road for everything but the grocery store. As far as REAL utility goes, the Jeep is the winner. If Utility means people mover to you, you should be happy.
Yes Okie, I should explain myself a little. I have owned mostly Ford SUV's from a Bronco II to an Expedition and everything in between. My brother in law's family is a huge
Chevrolet Dealer. I do not like the Chevy's as I think they look and feel like 20 year old vehicles technology wise (although the new ones are ok). The quality of my Expedition was incredible. I live in the Northeast where although I do not necessarily go "off-road" I have a very long driveway and since I am originally from the South, vow to never be stuck anywhere. For a vehcile with towing capacity, utility, driveability, etc. I would not own anything else. My experience with Cherokees (and honestly it may be with 99 and earlier) is that they were just very poorly built and very 'tinny'. The overall quality just wasn't there and it was obvious. I realize that this is subjective. But basically, from the moment I entered the Cherokee vs. the Expedition there was no comparison. (I am not talking luxury).
As for the MDX, I would never compare the Jeep to the MDX or vice versa). As you state, it should be compared with Luxury SUV's such as the BMW and maybe the higher end Mercedes. Anyway, I woke up one day and said "I no longer own a boat, I load multiple bikes in my car, have two kids and a big dog, am turning 40 soon, need better gas mileage, still want an SUV, want more luxury, and BINGO, the MDX came along). By the way I also need to commute even further. I will miss my Expy but I just don't need it anymore. It was the best of the best for any 'real' SUV I have ever owned or been in.
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Keep in mind that DaimlerChrysler has announced that they'll be end of life-ing their cherokee and coming out with a new piece of crap in the spring of next year...
Here's what you can expect...may you enjoy the future of your purchasing decision!
I'd try to sell it now and cut my losses! :)
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The Cherokee is in fact going away (pitty too), we are discussing a Grand Cherokee in this thread. Two different autos. Remove foot from mouth.
Yes, the Expedition is nice (I have a 2000 f150 4x4 and love it), but for the wife's daily commute, the full size SUV's are too much of a hand full (she says). That eliminates a lot of choices.
Having owned a new BMW (328i) I use it as my measure of quality, best car I've ever owned (actually "ever leased")
I like the Acura's interior, they did a great job of knocking-off the German ergos/design. No doubt a quality item.
I can't agree that the Jeep feels "tinny", that more fits the 4-Runner feel to me. Maybe for the fun of it, drive a '01 grand, you might be surprised. (I promise you'll like 0-60 in 7.2). Is it the overall quality of a MDX. Nope. Of course it cost 9,000 less. |
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Fair enough Okie. I got rid of the Expeditin due to the commute thing myself. I have not been in an 01 Grand so maybe it is much different than my memory.
BTW, 0-60 in 7.2 isn't much different than the MDX (I can't locate the data; however.. ??). |
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Okie,
Here's my thing. I drive 5 gymnasts in a carpool. I drive a Town and Country now for the "seat-belt" space, but I live in Indiana. We get snow here. I need a 4WD. The all wheel drive van doesn't cut it. I don't want to get thrown around in the "big truck" thing (Tahoe, Suburban, Expedition, Durango)...my husband drives a Suburban...he loves it...not my "thang". The Lexus 300 doesn't have enough seats...nor the Grand Cherokee...nor the Beemer. I would never pay the price for the tri-star.
What's left? An Audi station wagon? Too pricey and it sits too low. I can't wait til my MDX arrives!
Woohoo! |
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[I added a dual maganaflow stainless system ithe dual square outlets and oversized pipe fom the cat back anf it is great in sound performance and mpg. Woth the add. QUOTE]Originally posted by Okie
That's rather subjective don't you think? I prefer the ride of the jeep actually. There is a lot to like about the MDX, no doubt. If they'd put a V8 in it and increase the towing capacity (an not hit you up for $1,000) it would be nearly perfect. Can you imagine a MDX with a nice Borla or other aftermarket exhaust rolling by?
Resale? What's that? I would never BUY a depreciating item. Call me silly.
3 years? Cool. I'll have the Jeep for 2, then I'll be driving a MDX for THOUSANDS less than you are :) It'll look the same, have the bugs worked-out and be newer.(low blow, sorry)
It's all so easy when you're talking about cars. It's a way to get from point A to point B right? When you let your emotions take over, you can lose WAY too much money.
That should kindle the flame. Some of you take your minvan (I mean car. no wait I mean truck, no, SAV, no, I mean SUV) pretty seriously! Seen a MPV lately? LOL. Kidding!
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Jeez...
Okay Okay!, it was all for fun, sorry. Kidding!
If not for being screwed around by the dealer, I'd be driving a MDX in another 3 months (waiting list). Probably will when I turn in this crappy Jeep in 2 years (lease
Crappy Jeep huh? You basically said it all for us! Yeah you may have gotten a deal on your "crappy jeep" but basically you paid for what you got, a Chrysler product. I've owned a Chrysler product and it fell apart before getting it paid off. It had soooo many problems that Chrysler couldn't even fix them and we were stuck with them until we got rid of the "crappy" thing. And yes I've driven a 01' GCL. Enough said! Towing might be important to you, for the rest of us, we really don't care! For the v-8 issue, same thing! Why are you making a total fool of yourself because you got a raw deal from one dealership and you couldn't go to another dealership and get your MDX that you wanted? I mean you do say you still want one when your "crappy jeep" lease is up. You can't compare the jeep with the MDX, no way are they in the same class. Enjoy your heap...oh sorry I meant jeep! |
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I'll take the paint of that minivan you're driving. Have you looked at that thing? Should have bought the one baged "Oddesy" Should I sat "Oddity"?
Do I still want a MDX? The more I drive the JGC, the farther the MDX fades from my memory. Slap some of those fake HID lights on there and have fun running for groceries.
Any MDX, any time, anywhere. Bring it. On-road, off-road, any where. You have a soccer mom machine and paid WAY TOO MUCH FOR IT! You must feel raped.
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My next door neighbor has a 2001 JGC. So far, it has been in the shop for over two months of the seven that he has owned it with a littany of problems. It looks like they will be forced to take it back as a lemon shortly. He doesn't know yet what he will replace it with but he has sworn off Chrysler Corp. cars, probably forever.
Chrylser designs some very nice cars - it's too bad that they don't also know how to engineer and build them... I suspect that MB wishes they had never heard of Chyrsler. (Rumor has it that VW has been negotiating to buy Chyrsler from MB...)
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I'll take the paint of that minivan you're driving. Have you looked at that thing? Should have bought the one baged "Oddesy" Should I sat "Oddity"?
Do I still want a MDX? The more I drive the JGC, the farther the MDX fades from my memory. Slap some of those fake HID lights on there and have fun running for groceries.
Resale? How can you quote resale on a 1st year minivan abortion?
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Originally posted by Okie
I'll take the paint of that minivan you're driving. Have you looked at that thing? Should have bought the one baged "Oddesy" Should I sat "Oddity"?
Do I still want a MDX? The more I drive the JGC, the farther the MDX fades from my memory. Slap some of those fake HID lights on there and have fun running for groceries.
Any MDX, any time, anywhere. Bring it. On-road, off-road, any where. You have a soccer mom machine and paid WAY TOO MUCH FOR IT! You must feel raped.
Resale? How can you quote resale on a 1st year minivan abortion?
The only place your'e going in the JGC is to constantly see your dealer for repairs. Reliability of the JGC is well documented, it has none! |
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What are you basing the reliabiliity of your Jap wanna be a German car on? It will NEVER have the status of a Euro car.... and NEVER be a 4x4...Sorry... NO ACURA. No one cares a flip about a fancy Honda. You bought a minivan with "AWD". All you badge chasers paid way to much for a poor copy. Either go German or stay American. Don't you love all the Japs getting your hard earned US dollars. "Sillwy Americans". I bet you all like sushi.
Happy as hell after 7,500 V8 miles here. Damn, that's a lot of trips to the mall in MDX terms. :) Leave the MDX for the wife, it's a great female car. God, you status chasing people. LOL.
When it all comes down to it, NEVER think you have something for a JGC (or any other non-minivan for that matter) at a light, by NO MEANS try to go off-road, it will hurt your ego, reminding you that you have a 38,000 MINIVAN. Damn, that's funny stuff. And you paid sticker! Foolish. I'll pull you out when your pushing front end puts you in the ditch (at the mall).
Make sure to buy that plastic front end thing and the stick-on fender flares.... makes it more "macho" :) You guys crack me up! |
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Okie,
Sorry to see that this pathetic thread has been born again. I hope you scotch guarded the leather, or did you chinze and get fabric, because chewing tobacco juice stains badly. The folks at Gold Key lease might otherwise exact a pound of flesh when you turn it in. If you read what happens when a termite like you invades our ant hill. We ants don't cry back "status" we proudly shout "value". As a group we would rather drive 5 gymnasts, take trips to Home Depot, haul cujo to the groomer (My Great Pyr won't fit in a Jeep GC without the middle seat down - See my post in the gallery yesterday if you don't believe me)or just drive around enjoying a classic set on the 6 CD changer than make monthly visits to the repair shop. I owned two previous JGC Ltds. If it WERE such a fine vehicle I would still own one. Also I just drove a 2001 Laredo rental this week and in case you haven't realized it, it drives like a truck. So put on your ten gallon hat and pointy-toed boots and ride into the sunset cowboy right into another forum because you are not welcome here. |
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My next door neighbor has a 2001 JGC. So far, it has been in the shop for over two months of the seven that he has owned it with a littany of problems. It looks like they will be forced to take it back as a lemon shortly. He doesn't know yet what he will replace it with but he has sworn off Chrysler Corp. cars, probably forever.
Chrylser designs some very nice cars - it's too bad that they don't also know how to engineer and build them... I suspect that MB wishes they had never heard of Chyrsler at this point. (Rumor has it that VW has been negotiating to buy Chyrsler from MB...)
As far as resale value calcualtions are concerned, it is actually quite easy on a new model vehicle. Honda/Acura has always had a history of exceptionally high resale value on their new cars as well as their old ones. Thus, it is easy to extrapolate resale value for the MDX (or any new Honda/Acura). This is how they do it to calculate the residual value for leases and the figures are available in published form for anyone who might want to look them up. According to these industry figures, a JGC will depreciate at nearly twice the rate of a MDX, by the way. As in anything automotive, however, they are just a best guess.
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Do I still want a MDX? The more I drive the JGC, the farther the MDX fades from my memory. Slap some of those fake HID lights on there and have fun running for groceries.
Resale? How can you quote resale on a 1st year minivan abortion?
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It's way too easy to mess with you guys. Sheez, I'll just post "I don't like MDX's" and watch the replies mount up. It's called trolling for all you newbies.
Speaking of leather, shaved yours yet?
BTW, I took delivery of a black/black touring 2 weeks ago. And didn't pay invoice. And the Jeep? That was my last lease (no problems at all). I fibbed!
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I like your style Okie!
You had us up in arms and the militia was growing.
It's OK to be smug about owning the hands down, safest, fastest, best looking, most wanted, most honored, ultimately hippest LuxoSUV in the world.
But we do need to keep a sense of humor and a little humility about it.
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It's way too easy to mess with you guys. Sheez, I'll just post "I don't like MDX's" and watch the replies mount up. It's called trolling for all you newbies.
Speaking of leather, shaved yours yet?
BTW, I took delivery of a black/black touring 2 weeks ago. And didn't pay invoice. And the Jeep? That was my last lease (no problems at all). I fibbed!
Whatever you want to call it, it was not humorous. I also have a problem with your use of racial slurs on such a forum. If I was the administrator of this forum I would have your A-- off this site. |
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Racial slurr ? Where? I'll goof around but leave that crap out. If something I wrote can be read as a racial comment, I'll sincerly apologize.
Apology aceepted, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you did not know that JAP is difinitely a racial slur. |
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Yup, that was stupid. Sorry.
I'll bow out and leave you guys alone now.
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Is it April Fools or are there some April fools out there?
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Old thread, but I had to revive it . . .
I drove a rented Grand Cherokee today, and it really made me appreciate my MDX. The ride in the Cherokee is jittery, the stearing vague, the ergonomics bad, and the seats felt like I was sitting on a giant sponge. I guess you have to trade the jittery ride for better off road capability, but my MDX will spend 99% of its times on roads, dirt, paved, or otherwise.
As far as cost, with the turbo-charged depreciation of the Cherokee, I bet the lease on my MDX is lower than than it would be on a Cherokee.:2: |
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| GtownMDX |
Jeep's are great vehicles for awhile. I know -- I've had three Grand Cherokee's (2 V8's, one V6).
Nice combination of features for the money. I'm not yet a MDX owner, but anxiously waiting to trade off my '99 Grand Cherokee V8 due to many towings and numerous other service issues. My other '99 Grand Cherokee Limited V8 had $3000 of transmission work (100% good highway miles too) within 2000 miles past warranty.
While we really like the Jeeps, after three of them with significant service issues, we decided to dump our last one and buy something that has a better record. No more Jeeps for us--we simply don't have the time to take 'em to get repaired constantly.
Best of luck to you, I hope you don't have the issues we had. I'm looking forward to the MDX and a much better service/repair record! |
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Let me be honest:
I was out for an MDX. Why? Cause it was the new thing. I drove it, (nice) I liked it. I read about it (here and other places). I was set on buying one. Short of a dealer that tried to screw me, I'd probably have one. Nice ride!
But...
Because the dealer played with me, I decided to look around. 4-Runner? Nah, didn't like it, way too slow. Pathfinder? Nope. Explorer? Been there, know better. Bigger stuff? Nope, it's the wife's daily driver, too big.
I (ah hemmm) bought a Grand Cherokee Limited. V8 (say FAST), towing capacity (it matters, pull an 3900 lb dirtbike trailer a lot)
Maybe when the Acura has a v8 and can play in the 4x4 world, I'll be back.. until then...when you get stuck and need a hand? I'll be there to pull you out.
Yup, they gave it to me, a 37,950 car for 31,250? Don't you wish you didn't pay 9,000 for exclusivity? Okay, that was a low blow sorry! Enjoy your mini-van AWD :)
It's a manner of being a commoner or a unique person. You tend to go with the masses, where us MDX'ers are unique!!! You have to keep up with the times the Jeep is still in the 90's. If one person jumped over the bridge I think the jeep people will all follow where as the MDX'ers would think and make an intelligent decision for themselves!!! |
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One thing that shocked me about the Jeep Grand Cherokee is that it doesn't offer conventional front side airbags. E.g. ones that deploy around your abdomen (thorax).
Chrysler does offer side curtain airbags for the front and rear. While having those are nice, they only protect adult heads in a side impact, usually when the impact is very high (e.g. sliding sideways into a utility post).
While the Jeep gets 4/5 stars for side impacts, it isn't 5/5, and, critically, the NHTSA test uses a relatively low barrier (approximating a small sedan). It's when you get hit by another SUV or minivan when you really want the thoracic side impact airbag, since the forces are going to go against your pelvis and chest.
IIHS is working on a side-impact test with a higher (SUV-height) barrier.
To me, the Grand Cherokee's lack of basic front side impact air bags (more critical than side curtains in an SUV), and its "marginal" IIHS crash test score, are major issues.
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