| bchenMDX |
| just need a general opinion. My friend recently purchase a used '99 Ford Explorer V8. He's bragging about how much power it has than the X and claims it will out run the car from start to finish. I am thinking about challenging him, but before I do, I would like all of your opinions about it. |
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| TheWorm |
Race him and let him win. It'll probably be the only positive experience he has as the owner of a Ford Exploder.
Here's an old thread w/similar topic: http://www.acuramdx.org/forums/show...orer+and+friend
ETA - the Exploder is >1 sec slower to 60 than the X. |
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| buhmabee |
| The worm is right. Plus it's just so bad for your transmission to floor it. Race him let him peel out and win while you drive nice and easy. One day his Ford will live up to it's name and his car will be... F-ound O-n R-oad D-ead. Actually don't even bother with that type of mentality. Just tell him that you know your MDX can't beat his Ford. Think of it this way I'm sure there are plenty of people out there wearing polyester suits who can out run others who wear Armani's. |
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| MDXtrous |
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Originally posted by bchenMDX
claims it will out run the car from start to finish.
Just add him the maintenance costs from start to finish... |
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| Desant |
| And make sure that his Explorer doesn't roll over when you go around a corner. :) |
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| mdxxxx |
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Originally posted by buhmabee
... Actually don't even bother with that type of mentality. Just tell him that you know your MDX can't beat his Ford. Think of it this way I'm sure there are plenty of people out there wearing polyester suits who can out run others who wear Armani's.
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| manus1980 |
| Place a bet then beat his sorry pos, that is unless his explorer is moded. If this is a co-worker invite the whole office to watch. Race for slips, jk. |
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| Casique |
He dosen't have a chance if you have an 03 X!
Then again he might have to race his waiting accident to a RECALL! |
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| catzx6 |
| FORD : Fix Or Repair Daily :( |
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| Casique |
I had a 97 Explore 4x4 loaded! It was recalled EIGHT times in two and a half years.
I paid 31K for it, when I traded it in for my 01 X three years later (2000) and 26k miles on the odometer, I got 12.5K dollars in trade in.
When I trade my 01 X in last week with 22k on the odometer, I got 31k in trade in.
Enough said!!!!!!!!!!:3: |
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| Frank Dominick |
Really how can you even begin to compare these two vehicle's ?
There is none The explorer is a truck at least change it to the mountaineer and give it a bit of a chance! |
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| Casique |
| Sorry, it is still an expensive Ford Explorer with more power! |
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| Frank Dominick |
| lighten up it was a joke! The mountaineer at least has softer seats. |
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| TheyCallMeBruce |
quote:
Originally posted by bchenMDX
just need a general opinion. My friend recently purchase a used '99 Ford Explorer V8. He's bragging about how much power it has than the X and claims it will out run the car from start to finish. I am thinking about challenging him, but before I do, I would like all of your opinions about it.
Its not about brute strength. Its about the total package. If you really want to embarrass your friend, park the two vehicles side by side and ask any passerby which SUV they would take if offered either one as a gift. Heck, have all your friends/colleagues come out to vote! |
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| pdempsey |
| If you want to be mean, let him drive your X. He'll never be the same. |
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| xcel |
Hi BchenMDX:
___I would say a 2 or 4WD 99 Explorer at 3900 – 4100 #’s w/ the only V8 offered in that model year (4.9 L w/ 215 HP and 288 Ft-lb’s of Torque) would get eaten alive by a much more advanced 03 X at 4400 – 4500 #’s with the 260 HP/250 Ft-lb’s of torque based engine. I would look up the 99 Explorer’s 0 – 60 times over at Car and Driver or similar mag first however.
___I really liked TheyCallMeBruce’s suggestion of which vehicle would everyone rather own …
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| mod |
I am less than thrilled that I just replaced my transmission in my '98 Explorer after only 82K miles at a cost of approx $3K. I am still waiting for my 03 MDX, by the way......
Also, I see the 97-99 Explorers made Consumer Report's Used Cars to Avoid list.....
On the plus side, I do like the medium Wedgewood blue with grey interior color combo..... |
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| DaleB |
quote:
Originally posted by bchenMDX
just need a general opinion. My friend recently purchase a used '99 Ford Explorer V8. He's bragging about how much power it has than the X and claims it will out run the car from start to finish. I am thinking about challenging him, but before I do, I would like all of your opinions about it.
Say to him, "You've got a V8! Why do you want to race an SUV with V6, because it might give you a chance to win?" |
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| buhmabee |
| In the old days one could understand certian bad decisions, ie: purchasing a FORD. It just goes to show, that given the wealth of infomation that is available to us today where info is literally at the tip of your finger (a mouse click away). A person still buys a FORD then and the nerve to utter "Uh I betcha my Ford could beat your MDX in a race!" Wanna Race? Only in America, God I love this country! |
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| mystic |
For the sake of completeness, I took a V8 Explorer for a test drive.
While it was peppier than the V6 (drove that too), it was still very blah.
I certainly wouldn't call it fast. It DID make alot of noise, tho. Maybe your friend mistakes noise for speed? |
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| bchenMDX |
thanks all for the reply, although many of you said 03x would outrun the Explorer, Hopefully my 02 can do the same justice. I only had it for 4 months and its at 4k miles. I love driving it. i dont know if you guys would be interested if i posted a pic of my car. but i would love to share it with everyone.
by the way, good idea on racing him with co-workers there, too bad he isnt anymore b/c they let him go. |
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| DaleB |
A 'truck' V8 is going to have lots of torque making it really feel the like 'the man' off the line.
What it doesn't have is the flatter torque curve of the VTEC V6 as well as a faster revving engine.
Take that into consideration along with the weight advantage of the MDX, the MDX is likely to be faster, even at highway passing.
The Ford will be able to pull bigger tree stumps though. And all this with lousy gas mileage.
You make your choices and live with it! |
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| BlueStreak |
I'm sorry....did you say Explorer or Exploder?
As was said before, compare cost of ownership and see where the Ford ends up.
Sorry, Dearborn. |
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| xcel |
Hi All:
___Not to defend Ford’s past or current quality control practices but there are a few items I feel I should add to the discussion … I ride with a guy that owns a 2001 Ford Taurus with 51,000 miles on it and it has never stranded us on the road. It has had recalls since his purchase but it has not broken down, burned up, blown up, or spent any amount of time in the shop for anything other than the quick recalls and brakes. Another friend of mine owns an 89 Bonneville that now has 209,000 miles. It has not stranded us but it has not been trouble free from ~ 170,000 miles on. Power Locks are sticking, load leveling shocks need replacement, the A/C went out once, a body panel fell off, and it is simply showing its age. It still has not failed to get us back and forth to work even once. Another guy who I used to work with is traveling to another plant site in his 87 Mercury Cougar. His odometer went out ~ 2 years ago at 260,000 miles. We suspect that Cougar has in the neighborhood of 360,000 now … It hasn’t burned up, blown up, screwed up, been to the shop for anything other than routine maintenance. I know many have had tranny’s replaced and all kinds of problems in their own American built automobile experiences but I myself owned an 87 Mercury Sable that went over 160,000 before I gave it away. The tire blowouts on the Explorer’s were caused by bad tires. This could have happened to Toyota, Honda, Acura, Lexus, or any other vehicle manufacturer. When you discuss quality, make sure you know there are probably more American vehicles out there with 200,000 + than the Japanese built vehicles although I could not find a site to prove this one way or the other. In any case, not all Explorers are completely junk as they do get their owners from place to place to place without incident time and time again.
___To get to the cost of ownership issues … Yes, the Ford will depreciate like a SOB but when you consider the bottom end 03 Ford Explorer 2WD w/out a single option package goes for ~ $22,500 after rebate, how long before the vehicle loses $22,500? How fast will the 03 Premium based X lose $22,500? 5 years? 7 years? 10 years? In the bigger scheme of things, I have the feeling that the owner of the Premium trimmed Acura MDX will lose more money in the long run than the XLS owner before the Explorer is completely un-drivable.
___I know the two vehicles are not comparable in the least (4WD, Leather, Power, luxury appointments, VSA …) but if you could load up an 01 Acura Premium or Touring w/ NAVI by installing a DVD RES, every conceivable option including after market to get its cost up 75 – 90% from the Premiums MSRP, how much is the overpriced X going to be worth at trade in time today or in the future? The reason I mentioned this is that there are those driving almost $40,000 Explorers and they will get killed at trade in time. The guy driving the $22,500 Explorer will get hurt but nearly as bad. So what if you had the ability to purchase an 01 Touring and run the price up from its $34850 all the way up to 60K … How much would that maxxed out X be worth to anyone here today? Maybe 33 - 38K vs. the ~ 27K most dealers are offering for the 01 Premium’s w/ miles on them in trade. In this exaggeration, the maxxed out X owner with his 60K investment just took a 25K + hit. Again, this is a complete exaggeration but if you follow along with the loaded vs. base anything, you will see the depreciation maximized in a loaded up vehicle.
___And on to the TCO. If you stick with the base models, I believe the Acura owner will lose more over a given period vs. the 2WD Ford Explorer XLS owner. The problem with this line of thinking is that during that time of ownership, the X owner surely would have enjoyed the luxury appointments and much more advanced vehicle more than the 2WD XLS owner would have … Which vehicle would I rather own? The X of course ;)
___Finally, please consider the other side of the coin before posting bashing based content of the American built Ford Explorers (Exploder is a prime example) … I have the feeling most of this forums members livelihoods are effected far more by those American built Ford Explorers than what the MDX does even with its transplant design teams, manufacturing, and sales facilities given the Japanese content and multitudes of dollars being shipped back to Japan. I have the distinct feeling I am going to get an education in global economic trade and International money flows after that last statement.
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net |
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| TheWorm |
The acceleration #s (0 to 60) I alluded to in that 2nd post above were for the 99 V8 Exploder and 02 MDX.
And we failed to mention that his Exploder will actually have to make it to 60 without breaking down. Might wanna do the run near his dealership just in case. |
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| MDXLuvr |
JUST RACE HIM(at 7am on sunday, way outside of the town).
if you are concerned about stressing the VTM, then do it on a wet road. All u are doing is stepping of the gas, the VTM will probably help u have a bigger lead in the wet.
U will eat him alive.:18: |
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